posted 05-23-2002 08:44 PM            

ThesOne:

"Anyways, if you have heard the song it would be easy to tell that it is not intended at madlib. It is me dissinbg all the little fucks out there who scower the internet and record stores looking for nothing more than loops. Because this is about so much more than that. It's about learning our culture history and linking the only other truly unique american musical creations to our modern one: hip hop. So fuck a loop, because it's so much more than that, and if i need explain more than you shouldn't be concerned with my music to start with. This "loopdigging" attitude also diminishes the ethics of producing and beatdigging, because if all you care about is the loop, then why not sample a repressing? Fuck that. If an OG jazz cat who released a private pressing album back in the day never got his props, the least i can do is hunt it down and therefor raise the price of the record to something collectible. The original musicians 95 percent of the time never get a dime from a reissue and it lowers the value of the original. So fuck loops, fuck reissues and fuck everyone. I'm tired of having to explain myself. In an ideal hip hop world all this would be clear as day anyways and my explanations would be redundant. Such is not the case and beef seems to be the special today. Make it what you want, but i have already straightened this out with the only people who should be concerned about it. So basically, i didn't diss madlib, it's just unfortunate that he chose that as an alais. I was calling out all the bitch ass beatdiggers, whoever they are. And I stand behind that."

posted 05-23-2002 09:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Reynaldo:
ThesOne:

"...The original musicians 95 percent of the time never get a dime from a reissue and it lowers the value of the original..."

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The first half of the statement is probably true, but does a reissue really lower the value of an original? Only to the extent that a reissue reduces the demand for an original.

For example, I picked up the reissue of "Headless Heroes" because I saw it in the bins one day. I don't get into that record they way some other people do, but for $10 the price is right. But just because I copped the reissue, that doesn't mean I was about to drop ten times that much for the OG. I never would have.

Still, there are cases when I had to pony up for an OG because that's the only choice I had. In some cases, but not all, I probably would've been happy with a repress. Reissues probably do lessen the value of OGs, but I don't think the effect is really that devasting.

posted 05-24-2002 09:39 AM               

I'm really sure that this kid bought glass prism and listens all the awy through becuase its learning about culture. Take a class at the local college dude... if he is so hating on people who dig for loops, then he hating on himself.

posted 05-24-2002 10:47 AM            

I kinda feel what he is saying about giving the OG funk and jazz cats their due, even if it is just by learning their name what they played and then going out and seeking their records. I feel if PUTS could explain how the feel a little better people wouldn't take what they say as being snobbish. My pops actually got to play Bass a couple times with Bobby Hutcherson and Woody Shaw in San Francisco in the late 60's. He can tell me story after story about the talented musicians he's known that never got theirs, and when he is telling the stories they usually end with him getting mad about all of the pop groups today making money off of grabage music and how the public never supported the real cats. To most people my pops would sound like a bitter old man, but if you met the people he has met and seen all of the jazz musicians who were just barely hanging on you might see things diffrently.
Basically what I am saying is get out and support jazz, go to jazz clubs, and watch the history being made. The last show I went to was Kenny Garrett about 2 months ago at Yoshi's in Oakland, the show was ill. His band is all young(mid 20's), the drummer Chris Dave brings it hard on the drums.

Lately when I go back home to vist my dad I always bring an arm full of vinyl to listen to with him. It makes him feel good that I'm bringing all these Jazz artists back to life just buy giving their records another listen. If your serious this record diggin thing learn about jazz and it's history. As my pops would say "The Music is timeless".

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[This message has been edited by Reynaldo (edited 05-24-2002).]

posted 10-11-2002 12:12 PM               

I may be interviewing him later in the month, if you guys have any good question ideas fire them off or email me.

posted 10-11-2002 12:19 PM               

C'mon people, its just record shopping.

posted 10-11-2002 12:56 PM               

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Originally posted by Bsides88:
Im sorry but "the art of digging"?

C'mon people, its just record shopping.

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THANK YOU!!!

posted 10-12-2002 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by Bsides88:
Im sorry but "the art of digging"?

C'mon people, its just record shopping.

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No disrespect, but if you really think it's just record shopping then you're not doing it right... please believe me.

posted 10-12-2002 01:53 PM               

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Originally posted by 3STRIPES:
I feel the comments that Thes One seems to always make about the art of digging are immature...The art of digging is SO much more than petty little issues like reissues or looping

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Originally posted by Reynaldo:
...So fuck a loop, because it's so much more than that

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posted 10-14-2002 01:22 PM            

I mean you got people that think a sample is a break and a break is a sample.

posted 10-14-2002 01:56 PM               

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Originally posted by Bsides88:
Im sorry but "the art of digging"?

C'mon people, its just record shopping.

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posted 10-14-2002 02:13 PM               

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Originally posted by a ko:

sorry, but no matter how hard i try NOT to agree with this, i gotta. how is it an art? i need a good answer.

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Gonna have to side with soulman on this one. If you crate scouring kids want to be lumped in the same category as these O-Town snagging, Avril Lavigne swallowing Sam Goody loyalists, then fine with me.

posted 10-14-2002 03:42 PM               

Yes, hip hop decided that open drum breaks were desirable, but something like "Power of Zeus" was a collectible piece for psych heads long before the drums were used. Hip Hop can claim credit from turning an otherwise-uninteresting album like "Bongo Rock" into a holy grail, but "Soul Summit" is not $250 strictly because Pete Rock sampled it - there's a whole legion of sweet soul collectors who don't care about that.

The whole thing is, look, record digging is fun and educational and all that, but it's not white or black or hip hop or funky. It's just something that music snobs, sometimes called audiophiles, have been doing since records played at 78 rpm. Reissues have been around longer than the "digging" phenomenon - look at Blue Note! They have a new pressing of a good portion of their catalogue each decade. Indie, no-wave, psych, and classic rock were reissued on vinyl completely independently of the "digging" phenomenon. Vinyl being popular now has a tangential (at best) connection to hip-hop.

The idea of being a "beat digger" as opposed to a collector, enthusiast, or vinyl-historian-artist-archivist is lame. The idea that PUTS is somehow helping these artists get their due is arrogant at best.