Docter Optic History and Lenses
by Arne Croell

Related Links:
http://www.docteroptics.com/

Since questions about Docter Optic lenses come up in this group from time to time, I prepared a table of their LF lens data from my Docter Optic general brochure and the individual leaflets for each lens (from 1994),  and to add some additional informations on the company. I hope this is helpful. If readers of the newsgroup have additional information, especially on the weight of the shuttered versions and the smallest f-stops, please e-mail me and I will add it to the table and repost it.

Arne Croell
 

After the unification of Germany the (formerly West-German) Docter Optic group bought some of the plants of  the former Carl Zeiss Jena combine, including the one in Saalfeld (Thuringia), founded 1911,  which made the Zeiss Jena large format optics in the GDR and (at least some) before WWII. All the Docter LF lenses, except the Doctar WA, were originally designed by and for Carl Zeiss Jena, and used older ones are of course marked that way. If there is any difference between the Docter Optic lenses and the last GDR-made ones it is probably the coating. Note that the first years after Docter Optic acquired the plant (1991), the Tessars were sold as Docter-Optic Tessars, later the name was changed to Doctar. Around 1995 or 1996 Bernhard Docter, the founder of Docter Optic, died and the group went bankrupt.The main parts of the group were eventually sold to a holding owned by Rodenstock, Hella, and Bosch(the latter two being German car part manufacturers-Docters original core business was car headlight optics). Apparently Docter does no longer manufacture view camera optics, but they still make other ones like CCD camera and projection lenses.

They have a website at:
http://www.docteroptics.com/

1997 they had an offer for their remaining large format lenses on this web site (removed in early 1998), mainly for wholesale. Thus some new lenses may show up on the market the next years (from some posts I learned that Badger Graphics in the US and a UK company named Mr. Cad had some), but after that they are only available used.

Remarks:

The 65mm Doctar WA is a new development and was introduced in 1993-1994; it is a Biogon/Super-Angulon-type wide angle.

Tessars were first sold as Docter-Optic Tessars, later the name was changed to Doctar.

The (non-W) Apo-Germinars are of the "Dialyte" or "Celor" type, similar to Apo-Artars or Apo-Ronars. Around 1994/1995, Docter Optic introduced an improvement of the Apo-Germinar, a version with an additional removable brass ring spacer ("Trimmring" in german) between the front cell and the shutter. It is intended to optimize the performance at the edges of the field at magnifications smaller than 1:5 (up to infinity) by changing the cell spacing. For magnifications between 5:1 and 1:5 the ring is ommitted, for all other magnifications it is used. There was a report in the magazine "PhotoTechniqueInternational" about the performance at infinity, at least in the German edition (PhotoTechnikInternational  5 (Sept./Okt.)1995, p32-33).

The image circle for the Tessars/Doctars is at infinity. The Apo-Germinar and Apo-Germinar-W series are process lenses and the image circle is given for 1:1. Their image circle at infinity is approximately half that value. Note that Docter Optic did not specify for which aperture the image circles and coverage angles are valid; it is probably f/22.
 

According to Docter Optics, best overall performance ("Arbeitsblende"=working aperture) is at f/22 for all lenses except the three Apo-Germinar-W's, where it is atf/16.

Except for the Doctar WA, all lenses were offered both in barrel and in Copal shutters. At least the larger ones were originally designed (in the GDR) for use with a shutter behind the lens (a "Grundner" type shutter, somewhat similar to a Packard shutter), and not for No.3 shutters. Thus the long focal length have two different maximum apertures, depending on the mount.
Note that sizes, weight, and _filter threads_ are often different for barrel and Copal versions!

Although they are not useable for large format, I included the 50mm and 75mm Tessars, because all Tessars were listed as a group in the original brochure.

For the 600, 750, and 1000mm Apo-Germinars I only have a drawing of the setup which does not allow to decide whether the outer two lenses of each cell are cemented, or just close together with a small airspace (as they are in the similar long focal length Apo-Ronars with 6 lenses).

* means there was either contradictory information (general brochure vs. individual leaflet) and I chose the one more reasonable (to me), or there were obvious typos that I corrected.

?  denotes missing information.

+ after the smallest aperture means that it can be stopped down further, but there are no markings.

Disclaimer: In addition to errors I might have missed, I may also have introduced new ones, so please use this table only for preliminary information and countercheck any important informations, e.g. before deciding on a purchase. My personal experience is limited to a 300mm Apo-Germinar (which is a nice little lens in my personal opinion).

 
Lens name
elements/
groups
focal
length [mm]
max./min.
aperture
coverage
[degrees]
image circle
[mm]
shutter
filter
size
length/max.
diameter [mm]
weight
[g]
Doctar  WA
8/4
65
4.5/45
105
170
Copal 1
M85x1.0
92.8/90
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
50
4.5/?
53
55
Barrel
Copal 0
M25.5x0.5
M30.5x0.5
24.8/44
27.0/61
80
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
75
4.5/?
55
85
Barrel
Copal 0
M25.5x0.5
M30.5x0.5
25.7/44
27.0/61
80
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
105
4.5/?
55
130
Barrel
Copal 0
M35.5x0.5
M30.5x0.5
32.5/52
29.8/61
110
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
135
4.5/?
55
160
Barrel
Copal 1
M40.5x0.5
M40.5x0.5
34.0/62
32.0/70
160
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
180
4.5/?
55
220
Barrel
Copal 3
M58x0.75
M49x0.75*
50.0/72
47.0/102
390
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
210
4.5/
55
250
Barrel
Copal 3
M67x0.75
M58x0.75
56.8/84
53.5/102
490
?
Tessar/Doctar
4/3
250
4.5/?
55
300
Barrel
Copal 3
M77x0.75
M67x0.75
66.0/98
63.0/102
690
?
 Tessar/Doctar
4/3 
300 
4.5 /?
55 
360 
Barrel
Copal 3
M95x1
M77x0.75
85.0/121
72.5/102
1270
?
Tessar/Doctar 
4/3 
360 
4.5/?
5.6/?
55 
430 
Barrel
Copal3?
M105x1
M77x0.75
97.5/145
72.5/102
1870
?
Apo-Germinar-W 
8/8 
150 
8.0 /45
63 
370 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 1
M67x0.75
M58x0.75*
75.5/63
76.5/78
?
?
Apo-Germinar-W 
8/8 
210 
8.0 /45
68 
565 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 1
M86x1
M77x0.75
95.0/90
96.0/80
?
?
Apo-Germinar-W 
8/8 
240 
8.0 /45
72-73 
728 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 3
M110x1
M110x1
118.0/114
118.5/114
?
?
Apo-Germinar 
4/4 
240 
9.0 /?
45-46 
430 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 1
M49x0.75
M40.5x0.5*
38.0/52
38.0/73
320
?
Apo-Germinar 
4/4 
300 
9.0 / 90+
45-46 
530 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 1
M49x0.75
M40.5x0.5
45.0/52
45.0/73
320 
265
 Apo-Germinar
4/4 
360 
9.0 /?
45-46 
620 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 3
M67x0.75
M49x0.75
52.570
52.5/102
1000
?
Apo-Germinar 
4/4 
450 
9.0 /?
45-46 
750 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 3
M67x0.75
M58x0.75
66.0/77.5
66.0/102.2
1200
?
Apo-Germinar 
6/6 or 6/4 
600 
9.0/?
11.5/?
45-46 
1040 (1:1) 
Barrel 
Copal 3
M86x1
M77x0.75
109.0 /92
109.0/102.2
2350
?
Apo-Germinar 
6/6 or 6/4 
750 
9.0/?
14.5/?
45-46 
1230 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 3
M105x1
M95x1
134.5/115
134.5/102.2
3900
?
Apo-Germinar 
6/6 or 6/4 
1000 
12.0/?
19.5/?
45-46 
1590 (1:1) 
Barrel
Copal 3
  M105x1 
M95x1
150.0 /115
150.0/102.2
    4500 
    ?
 



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