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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: airport scanners
>Jim, I'm planning an extensive trip to Asia next year and have been
>concerned about the x-ray problem. I understand that 35mm color print
>film is processed by minilabs all over Asia. I am willing to have it
>done there just to get the negs. However, I have read that E-6 is more
>difficult to get processed professionally. Further complicating the
>picture is the fact that about half of my film will be 120 rollfilm
>which is even hard to get processed in California! I can do the black &
>white in a hotel room if I have to. Is there any source of information
>about reliable color labs in Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore,
>India and Nepal?
>
>Thanks, Bill Lawlor
I have had film test processed by labs all over the world in my travels to
see how good they are. In some places, notably Germany and Japan, the
quality is generally much better than here in the USA. Prices are high,
though.
Results I got in Malaysia were dismal, and it was supposed to be a pro lab.
A friend of mine publishes a photo magazine in India (Asian Photography)
which I write for now and then. If you are going to India, let me know and
I can put you in touch with him. He is bound to have info on labs.
All of the above applies to 35 mm C-41. When you get into E-6 you are on
much shakier ground. And 120 is a problem anywhere.
I still recommend splitting film into batches and sending back home to your
usual lab by courier. That's what I do with my film when I travel to
most places. Fedex and DHL have facilities in almost all countries
now,
and do not normally X-Ray anything. They will provide you with DO NOT
X-RAY
labels if you ask. This has never been a problem for me.
Bob
From: David Frank Fariello fariello@pacbell.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Mail Order 120 Developing/Printing
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998
Looking for reasonably priced mail ordercolor prints for 120 roll film.
Any suggestions?
For the price, it is hard to beat Sunset Color Labs, about 10-14 day
turn-around including mailing time, but consistently decent results on
slides. I have had prints done before by them, but not recently.
Bob Monaghan
[Ed. note: see posting below, evidently they are out of business ;-( ]
rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: Steve Berezin sbere@ix.netcom.com
[1] Re: Sunset Color Lab
Date: Wed Dec 06 2000
Unfortunatly they are out-of-business.
af wrote:
> I've had prints made from slides by Sunset Color Labs several times
> before. Just had a package returned saying the post office box has been
> closed. Does any one know about this?
From: Alfonse Pagano paganoa@msn.com
Subject: Response to Who really knows a good affordable lab for 8x10's?
Date: 1998-02-26
Frank,
Two labs that I have used and have found very reliable and the quality of
their color prints more than acceptable, and the key word "affordable "
$3.80 - $5.00 for an 8x10 print. CPQ which I used for a little while, a
little slow on the returns but decent. Millers, which I use now, ecellent
work, good prices , fast returns .The problem with Millers is that they
only accept new clients once a year and its by application only, definetly
worth your while to get on there mailing list as soon as you can. Tel #
800-835-0603. I do not have CPQ's number try the 800 directory or search
the web I'm sure they are about somewhere. Hope this helps.
AP
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 From: "Kotsinadelis, Peter" Peter.Kotsinadelis@octel.com Subject: RE: [KOML] kodachrome BWC Chrome Labs in Florida (800-292-3664)is excellent. They are one of the largest Kodachrome labs in the Country. If you send it out Monday (they provide postpaid labels) you generally have it back Friday or Saturday. Call and ask for some mailers. They do E-6 too if you like.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 From: Richard_Oesterling@lewishomes.com Subject: [KOML] Kodachrome You can get your Kodachrome processed at A&I in Los Angeles. They do mail order and they are one of the top labs in the US. They can be reached at 213.856.5291. I get all of my processing done there, and have never been let down.
From: Patrice Tobolowsky dmtmd@worldpass.net
Subject: Response to Good film lab for less $$$?
Date: 1998-04-12
checkout www.photo-tek.com great prices and the best lab in the country. They have mail order and are very good.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 From: David Best dbest@non-linear.com To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Rollei] A & I Labs you wrote:
>Looks good -- how 'bout an address. This is who a lot of pros use: A&I Color Labs http://www.aandi.com 933 Highland Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90038 800-883-9088 FYI on processing costs: E-6 120 $5.30 unmounted E-6 135 $7.00 unmounted Snips $4.75 Push/Pull $1.00 / stop (roughly) Kodachrome 120 $7.50 Kodachrome 135 $7.00 Snips $6.50 Push/Pull $3.00 -1/3 to +2.0 Cardboard mounts for 135 $1.00 / roll Plastic mounts for 135 $1.50 / roll Imprinting up to 8 lines $2.00 / roll They also have a full line custom printing and dupe service along with C-41 processing, etc. They have an affiliated Digital service (scans, Photo CD, IRIS output, etc.): zzzyzx (that's the name of the company) 1550 17th Street Santa Monica, CA 90404 310-264-2626 Hope this is useful. I have no affiliation with them (other than being a regular customer). David
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com Subject: Re: [Rollei] A & I Labs >Looks good -- how 'bout an address. > >I'd be interested in other good labs, as well. >-- >David Schnute >Hot Springs, SD My suggestion, PFS . I've used them exclusively for more than fifteen years with complete satisfaction. http://www.pfsphoto.com Bob
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998
From: FSilberman FSilberman@aol.com
Subject: [Rollei] Kodachrome proc/120
I have my 120 format K64 processed by BWC Chrome labs in Miami. Like A&I; they
are a pro lab & offer in house processing. I don't shot K64 much anymore, but
this lab produces consistent results & are worth a try.
Frederic
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998
From: Howard Bingham dbingham@bcm.tmc.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: Anyone used Sunset Photo in L.A.?
Have you checked the Pro lab's recently..? Most of the major labs in
Houston, have 1 hr. lab's set-up to satisfy the need for pro's that only
need processing with proof prints..
I have delt with "The Color Place", when they had a lab in Houston, and
found their prices to be less than many of the other large labs.. They
too, may have a mini-lab at their location in Dallas..
In Houston, the two largest labs, Houston Photo Imaging (HPI), and
National Photo Imaging (NPI, formerly known as NPL), have 1 hr. labs at
their satelite store locations, which are priced competitive with shopping
center/mall 1 hr. labs, with the support of the same professionals that
run the Pro lab operations..
I am also sure, that many other large Pro labs have similar setups in most
larger cities..
Howard Bingham, Houston, Tx.
--
(Opinions stated, are personal & are not those of my employer.)
D. Howard Bingham, Color Lab Mgr., Baylor College of Medicine
One Baylor Plaza, Suite 303-A, Houston, Texas, 77030 USA
Phone (voice): 713-798-4681, (Fax): 713-798-6853
Visit our web site at URL: http://www.bcm.tmc.edu/miave/
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998
From: Robert Monaghan rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
To: Howard Bingham dbingham@bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: Anyone used Sunset Photo in L.A.?
Hi Howard,
Thanks for your suggestions and positive points re: pro labs ;-)
When mini-labs first came out, I saw more of the pro-labs getting pulled
down to use their pro-reputation to promote their mini-lab addon profit
centers. But they couldn't deliver pro quality via the labs and compete
with the dropping prices of automatic machine made prints. Instead, I
think it drained off some of their bueiness to their mini-lab, and then
folks switched to other labs for price reasons. Eventually, we lost a
number of professional oriented stores and labs about ten years ago. ;-(
I would be glad to think that you are right and the minilabs are a good
tool for fast and higher quality proofs etc. - I have tested some local
labs and found quality too variable depending on staff fire/hirings. A
good minilab operator who cares can turn out surprisingly good prints
from average negatives - but try to find $5/hr types who _really care_! ;-)
I still use Meisel's and a few pro labs in Dallas for larger mounted
prints and the like. But for most of my stuff, time isn't critical, so I
don't mind sending it out, and I have had better luck overall with remote
processing (I do a lot of slides) and even economy 8x10 and 11x14 prints ;-)
Sunset has been around since the Aztecs roamed L.A. as far as I can tell
;-) and they have pretty reasonable prices for slide processing which
adds up even in my volumes ;-)
But you are right that I would prefer a local pro lab service for lots of
reasons, but I am finding fewer supporting stores for serious amateurs
and semi-pros with most focusing on keeping a few high volume pros who
pass on the higher costs to their buyers directly and don't care. Can't
say I blame them, but as with camera repair outlets, there are fewer and
fewer places between the commercial high end service/price stores and the
low end minilab take it or leave it deals ;-)
again - thanks for your kind note and interesting points re: pro labs - I
may take some more looks around if only to see how digital is hitting
them and maybe see if your optimism is justified locally, or just
Houston? ;-) ;-)
regards bobm
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998
They dropped it and no one in the US processes it any more.>>
I still have a few rolls of Kodachrome & get it processed at BWC Chrome labs
in Miami, FLA.
Regards
From Medium Format Digest:
I used Sunset for most of my E-6 for several years, but I stopped when NYC
labs started matching their prices.
Your experiences were similar to mine - however, if you pay by check, you'll
get your work back a few weeks faster. After a while, they work came back
even
faster, I assume they weren't waiting for my checks to clear.
Problems? Any sort of problem will delay your order for weeks. A one stop
push
will delay your order a month. They don't do cross processing and you can't
talk to them about anything, ever.
They may be reading this board, they may be moderating this board, you just
don't know.
Brian
From: Mark Hubbard mhubbard@internews.org
Since first seeing a
recommendation for them in the Medium Format
Digest a year ago, I have wanted to try Sunset Color Labs in Los Angeles,
California for mail-order roll film processing and printing, but I didn't
want to risk anything too important to an unknown lab. Towards the end of
June (1998), Sue and I had accumulated five rolls of miscellaneous 120
(including a roll of chromes and at least two different C-41 emulsions)
taken with an assortment of cameras, and none of which was needed for a
deadline or likely to contain anything we couldn't live without if it was
ruined. What came back today was surprisingly good, easily as good (or
better) than what we get locally and for less than half the cost. But
before you drop your account with A&I; or Portland Photographics, please
read on. The whole experience was like sending our film back through
time. After a couple of weeks or so, we received a TYPEWRITTEN postcard
telling us that our order was ready, how much it cost ($34.41), and that
they DON'T TAKE CREDIT CARDS. We sent them $5 extra hoping to speed
delivery. When we got the packet today by Priority Mail (July 31), the
shipping label looked like it was printed 30 years ago or more. My name
and address were neatly TYPED on the label. Inside was a little printed
piece of paper with a handwritten IOU for $2 overpayment of Priority Mail
postage, which we can apply to our next order. The 6x9 chromes were
individually cut and sheathed, and they looked good. The 4x prints (4x4,
4x5 and 4x6) were printed well, and had better color than I usually get
locally. All negs were sheathed in strips. The materials were in modern
Kodak envelopes and carefully taped to a heavy piece of cardboard to
protect everything in transit. They don't have a phone, a street
address, or a web site you can access. They still use typewriters.
They don't accept credit cards. They don't offer in-house accounts.
They take 4-5 weeks to turn around your order (probably less if you
send a check with your order). Their menu and price list of services is
listed in Pop Photography every month. What else can I say? Based on
this one experience with them, Sunset Color Labs seems to be a good choice
for those whose main consideration is cost and who don't mind waiting a
few weeks to get their pictures back. Also, their old-fashioned
business practices (and old-fashioned prices) seem to fit with some of the
roll-film cameras we enjoy using, including a Voigtlander Bessa I (6x9), a
2.8F Rolleiflex TLR (6x6), a couple of Mamiya C330s, and a newer Mamiya 7.
I suspect I will be willing to take more risks in medium format knowing
that I can get good quality processing for very little money.
From Medium Format Digest:
Any pro/semi-pro lab should be able to at least make contact prints. Ivey-Seright is a Seattle, Wa, lab which can
very likely make enlargements. Another local lab I use for contact
prints is
Overlake Photo. Overlake is
cheaper
for processing & contact prints, but I know they wouldn't be able to make
enlargements.
From: "Gary C. Lewis" gclewis@penn.com
Hello,
I would highly recommend: General Color Corp
The prices are good the works is good and the credit for any bad
prints. I would suggest you call them and ask them for their free
postage paid mailers and price list. I have been usuing them for about 6
years now and have never been let down.
I do not work for this company, just a happy customer.
Gary C. Lewis
From: "Chris Ward" ccw@idt.net
I have used Vermont Color. They have a website.
www.vermontcolor.com
I also used to send them 120 black and white, including XP-1, and as I shoot
more film, I suspect that I will be sending them more. They also have
620, 127 and126 listed on the mailer. I have had good luck over the years
with them, especially with the color.
rec.photo.film+labs
Does anyone recommend a reliable film >processing via the mail?
I recommend Dale Labs in Florida. Their prices are reasonable and the
quality
and turn around time is very good. They have a web site at
http://www.dalelabs.com/
John P. McCormack
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998
I purchased a 35 mm Noblex four months ago and found that it was difficult
if not impossible to get machine prints made at a reasonable price from
the 24 x 66 mm negatives. I could not understand why and so I talked with
a number of labs around the country. It is still not entirely clear why
some of the labs that do a lot of machine printing have not added this
service. It appears that some labs are not equipped for that type of
printing except in custom handling (although in many cases all that is
needed is a masked 120 negative carrier). Other labs are focused on
particular service areas and therefore "specialty" machine printing
doesn't fit in their business plan.
All that aside, I did get a couple of labs to say they would try it for
me. Only one of them has done so yet but that one seems to be a winner.
They have done four rolls for me and I am very happy with the results and
the price.
They printed one roll at 4" x 11" and the rest at 4 1/8" x 12" (or 4 <" x
12").
The price was the same for either size: $1.95 per roll processing and 90
cents per print. This is reasonable machine print pricing considering the
size of the print.
The lab is:
http://www.thompsonphoto.com
I talked with Ann who made the decision to provide machine print service
for us Panorama Heads. Charlotte may answer the phone. Both are very
helpful and pleasant to deal with.
If you are interested, they also have a nice selection of vintage cameras.
I didn't see any panoramic equipment when I visited the store but it could
be there.
Following is an excerpt from an e-mail from Thompson regarding
enlargements: We can process and print your negatives. Develop and
contact for one roll would be $7.95. Prints (printed by hand) on Ilford
Multigrade paper (glossy or pearl finish) are $4 each for 7-inch prints,
$5.85 for 10-inch prints, $12.20 for 14-inch, $22.50 for 20-inch. We can
print on Ilford warmtone paper for additional charge. We prefer to ship
by UPS which would typically run $5.70.
Enjoy!
Gary
From: tut@ishi (Bill Tuthill)
James Farrow (James_Farrow@ottawa.com) wrote:
And just where is it that you get decent 8x12 prints for $4 each and
20x30 posters for $16 each? Because that is twice Costco's price.
I find the (Qualex) enlargements a bit yellow at times, and have had
long turnaround waits with complex orders, but it's hard to argue with
$2 for an 8x12 and $8 for a 20x30. Many consumer inkjet printers can
produce excellent 8x10s nowadays, but nothing larger.
From: Jim Bradshaw jimbrad@erols.com
perry paolantonio wrote:
Try Fine Art Lab in New Jersey. I've been using them for my wedding
proofing for 10 years with great results. They charge $6.50 for
developing AND proofing of 120.
Phone is 1-800-FINELAB. (I hate that type of phone number.)
--
rec.photo.film+labs
Heres the deal with Wolf camera....Buy the Wolfpack card..12 bucks a
year....then visit their website(www.wolfcamera.com) They have this
neat little 33% off coupon on their site. you can combine the savings
from the card with the coupon...for 58% off..(about 8 bucks for 36
exp). All you need to do is print out as many coupons as you
need....be it 5 or 25. This is what I do, As local processing sucks
bad here, or is at a pro lab that wont take amatuer work.
Hope this helps.....
Jeffrey Allen
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999
The best lab that I have found is....
Moonlight Color Lab
They handle mail order accounts and are very good.
From: andipantz@aol.com (AndiPantz)
I have been trying to find a good mail order photo lab to do my
processing. I
wanted to let everyone know that I just received a roll of negative film back
from Linhoff photo and digital imaging in Minnesota. The photos came back
superb and I was very impressed! Colors very true and good quality. So if
anyone is looking for a mail order processing lab, I recommend it.
Date: 6 Jun 99
"twinst" twinst@pickens.net wrote:
The finest place I know (and is where all My processing goes) is White House
Custon Colour. I use them for My 35 and My medium format prints. Check this
site out
You won't be sorry AND best of all, your billfold will thank you too :).
Lloyd J. Rabanus
rec.photo.film+labs
B&H; offers Fuji 36 exp slide processing mailers for $3.29. 36 exp slide
Kodak mailers are $4.29. I've relatively new to photography too, and use
Fuji Sensia II slide film (100 speed) and the Fuji mailers. The cost is
$6.38 for film and processing, plus 44 cents postage.
Jack
From NikonMF Mailing List:
The Fuji lab in Phoenix, Arizona is good for mail order E-6 mailer. The
least expensive source for these mailers I know of is the Filmshop
(www.filmshop.com) at $3.15 per mailing. No shipping charges for orders
over $100.
Bert P. Krages
From NikonMF Mailing List:
I've sent all my Fuji chromes to their lab in Phoenix. No complaints at
all, other than occasional tiny bits of cardboard dust from the mounts.
Certainly no worse the Kodak! I buy my Fuji slide film from B&H;, with
Fuji processing included in the great price.
Bob Scott
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000
Try San Miquel
or Colorado Camera
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000
I think you mean Clark? If so, they do not have a web site I know of.
You can reach them at Box 96300, Washington, DC 20077-7195.
I'd use York over them myself. Similar pricing - cheap. They have a
web site. Try YORK COLOR LAB on a search engine.
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999
you@somehost.somedomain (ZarrDonn) wrote:
As I have tried to point out several time here, I do not use the in
store mini lab. I do use Sam's for send out. All of the film from KC
is sent to Fuji Color Processing, either the South Dakota location, or
the local Fuji lab. I don't know if there are any snot nosed teenage
kids running the machines at Fuji, but I kinda suspect that whoever
they are, they know their job. Granted, you are not using a
pro/custom lab. The regional Fuji labs are high volume consumer
operations. You do, in all likelihood, get what you pay for. I am
happy with what I get. In the last year alone, I have had
approximately 400 rolls of film processed and printed by Fuji via
Sam's. Not one, that I can recall, came back w/a scratched negative.
Wolf on the other hand, screws up my order 9 out of 10 times, and they
do absolutely NOTHING to make it right. I called the regional
director to complain after the last incident and the response was to
issue a notice to all of the stores not to give out his Wolf voice
mail number to customers who have complaints.
Wolf has not had my film done on time 5 out of the last 6 times. For
one roll, I had to make 4 trips. The first time, it was not done, but
the said that they would do it w/in the hour, so I came back. Guess
what, it wasn't done. In fact, the tech said that the clerk had told
him not to worry about it, I was coming back tomorrow. I left, and
came back one hour later. The film was done, but one problem, it was
supposed to be printed on b/w paper (t400) and it was on color. B/w
paper was clearly hand written on the order form. The reprinted while
I waited. Finally ready? Nope, everyone of the pictures had a large
scratch across the print (not neg). Did they "notice". Nope. Tried
to pawn it off on me. Finally, they said that their b/w machine
needed repair and that they would have to send it out. Three days
later, it was finally ready. How was I compensated? They wouldn't
refund my money for processing on that roll (I had paid before
discovering the scratch), but they called me at home to tell me that I
had a coupon waiting for free processing. When I went to claim it,
they had NO idea what I was talking about. I could relate several
other stories of almost equal absurdity (store randomly closed in the
middle of day during posted business hours, or clerk telling me that I
am confused, the film size I am describing is 110, not 120, e.g.), but
you probably get the point. For this service, they charge $10/roll.
with "discount" for Wolf Pack members.
Complaints with Sam's, and I have had a couple (out of hundreds of
rolls), are handled quickly. I called the 800 number and the district
manager personally called me at home w/in 24 hours. I had follow up
from 2 ppl with Wal-mart corp. and a Fuji USA rep. They did not
damage any of my negatives and they still compensated me for my
troubles. That is customer service.
If you feel better about taking your photo's to Jim's De-Lux Photo
processing (and who sends the film to Fuji or Qualex for processing)
and Paying 5X's what I pay, go for it.
From Hasselblad Mailing List:
Shane W Davis wrote:
Go to:
They do a large Ilfochrome mailorder business.
Jim
From Panoramic Mailing List;
Sorry for the false alarm on Main Photo (http://www.mainphoto.com).
Their cheap 12" panoramic machine prints are from consumer-size negs:
they cannot handle 24mm by 65mm at that price. As far as I can tell, ABC
photo (http://www.imageabc.com) is still the best deal for a pretty
large print: 5x15" for $3 at the time of processing, $4.25 for reprints
(or less in quantity, down to $2!).
The less expensive option of which I am aware is:
They do 10" machine prints from Noblex/XPan negs.
--
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000
Sarawoot Chittratanawat wrote:
all things being equal, no, but things ain't equal, medium
format users can't take the film to Costco for snapshots so
cheap they are almost free. Most one hour operations do not
offer acceptable quality processing even if the machine is
capable of handling the size, I feel that the designers
merely widened the film path but the chemistry doesn't
circulate as well, I'm not sure, but I've had some rather
awful results from such places with goobers, streaks and a
few outright mangelings.
So you are left with pro labs of various qualities, most
offer proofing. A pro lab will run the film through a 'dip
and dunk' machine, a two hour process from dry to dry and
well worth the token fees they charge for developing, as
compared to a one hour lab's seven some minites with a
combined bleech and stablizer, and shortened wash.
they will video preview the images before printing, so each
image is given a quick look on a monitor and the exposure
and color balance adjusted, and though is is not perfect, it
is a big step up from the all auto processing of cheap
labs.
for film, developing and proofing I figure it costs a buck a
shot for 645.
There are some mail order labs that are cheaper, but that
only gets cost effective if you are shooting a half dozen or
more at a time...
[Ed. note: my lab also trashes the first frame unless extra space...]
Dan,
Winding an extra quarter turn is very common. Myself, I wind on an extra
quarter or half in all cases. My lab always clips on at the start of the
roll, and some extra room there helps out.
Peter
"Bruce Wilson" BruceWilson@mail.com
Yes, I have had similar experiences.
While the first frames did not land on the tape, but they were often
very close to where the lab puts their metal clip, risking damage to
frame 1. To avoid this I routinely wind on another quarter turn
before installing the insert in the shell.
If a particular back wide-spaces the frames, then you could
conceivably run out of room for frame 12 at the other end of the
roll -- but I have not experienced that yet.
Bruce
From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Also check out http://www.hollandphoto.com. I use them locally in Austin,
but I'm pretty sure they do mail order, too. Very reliable, great work.
Chris
[Ed.note: need really large prints or alternative processes
help???...]
Jamie
If you are using alt-process get in the alt-process group. A lot of
members
work on very large prints. You could post ?? there some one can help you.
I do pan in alt-process but not realy large
Great group and very helpfull
James Romeo.
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000
I used to work in a lab in Boise, ID called Paul Smith Custom Lab. If you
are still not overly impressed with inkjet and iris prints and prefer the
tactile quality of a real custom,color print, this is the lab. Contact
Chrity Rydman in customer service. She's been there for quite some time
and can answer any questions. As for prints, Jeannie Owens handles all
custom color enlargements that are 8X12 and larger. She is, without
question, the finest color printer I have ever known. Her prints are
perfect, especially her R-type prints, which she actually prefers over the
C-type prints. I'm living in Kuala Lumpur now and I miss this lab
terribly. They can handle mail order.
Paul Smith Custom Lab
pscl@aol.com
[Ed. note: see writeup in current (August?) Popular Photography...]
http://www.snapfish.com
My wife found this new website that offers free 35mm
film processing and prints, if you pay for the
shipping and handling. (They pay the postage from you
to the factory) For $1.69 per roll they will process
your film, mail you a set of 4x6 prints on Kodak paper
AND! also host your images in digital form on their
website in your own private album. If you wish you may
also upload your digital camera image files to your
private album and they will host them free too.
This sounds like one of those deals that is too good
to be true. The catch is that they offer reprints and
enlargements for sale at standard prices.
:-)
=====
From Panoramic Mailing List:
Also try www.clubphoto.com at $1/roll. Their bragging rights is that they
will give you high resolution scans on the internet. No 4x6's thought.
They will send the negatives back to you. For me, it was the hi resolution
scans that got me.
Harold
[Ed. note: not an endorsement, just fyi another resource site..]
If you are currently using Shutterfly to get prints. Join www.ofoto.com.
You will not be dissapointed. They are 10 times better for about the same
price. You'll get 50 free prints and your first order shipping is free.
They use Kodak Professional paper, not the cheap inkjet photo paper
shutterfly uses.
[Ed. note: a note on cross processing tips...]
You can run any film designed for C-41 in E-6. You will get
reversed colors, of course. Also the ISO no longer applies and
you must do tests to determine proper film speed setting.
You can not run any traditional black and white film through
C-41 or E-6 since one of the steps in these processes is a silver
bleach and you will just end up with totally blank, clear film.
Since XP-2 creates its image with dye you can process it in E-6
and get positive transparencies just like with slide films. I'm
told that this drops the film speed to about 50, though.
Bob
From: rab@jump.net (Ross Bagley)
Jim Williams Jim Williams wrote:
As others have mentioned, don't do paper proofs for slide film. Get a
loupe and a light box and use the slides directly. Heck, that's the
exact reason that I shoot slide film: I don't have to manage piles of
wasted paper from shots I don't like.
Also, if you want high quality prints from slides, I suggest finding a
place that does Ilfochromes, as I have never been satisfied with the
results from internegs (apparently what this shop expects for slides).
As for where to get Ilfochromes, I am lucky and live in Austin, near
the best Ilfochrome shop (arguably) in the country, Holland Photo
(http://www.hollandphoto.com). They do accept mail orders and prices
are quite reasonable (I recently had some slides enlarged to 8x12
for $15 each, magical results).
Regards,
-- Ross Bagley & Associates http://rossbagley.com/rba
[Ed. note: why you need a home darkroom for b&w;!!!]
Leon Aslan laslan@earthlink.net wrote:
I've done it both ways. Or should I say all 3 ways?
I started out having a local pro lab do all my B&W; (as well as all
other work). Then I took a darkroom course did both developing and
printing of all my own B&W; stuff. I thrilled at being able to do 8x10
B&W; prints for pocket change (compared to $10-$15 each when delegated
to the lab). But soon I got really tired of the tedium of actually
developing the film. I thought I'd found the best solution in paying
to have the film developed, but doing the printing myself.
I started having trouble with contrast. It was subtle, but it was
noticeable. Then I got to really taking a hard look at my contact
sheets, both ones that I'd developed film on, and ones that I'd hired
everything from developing to contact sheet. The conclusion I came to
was that if I cared about the end result; the prints, then I'd better
resume doing every step myself. It's not that my developed negs were
always better than those I'd paid for, but they appeared to be more
consistant.
When I thought about it I realized that in a best case scenario the
very nice guy at the local pro photo shop is doing his level best to
process X number of rolls of B&W; film per hour or per day, in between
smoke and food breaks, while also being mandated to conserve chemicals
and time by his employer.
That's in a best case scenario. In a worst case scenario, he's perhaps
not even trying all that hard. Suddenly, saving the tedium of spooling
and developing film in exchange for a "mere" $3/roll, became clear as
the crap shoot that it has to be. So, recently, I got setup to revert
back to developing my own film as well as printing my own prints. It's
not that I'm all that good, but rather that I have the luxury of time
and the motivation to actually care about these particular images.
MPS
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000
Could you please be so kind to add a link to my web site under custom
photo lab or photo restoration category?
URL:http://Phototechlabs.com
Title: Phototechlabs custom photo lab and photo restoration.
Description: Reproduction grade hand enlarged color and black and white
prints. Film processing all kinds and formats. Copy work from flat art.
Photo restoration and enhancement. Digital services: slide design, output,
scanning. Photocomposition.
Thank you,
John Lrus Jr.(Owner)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000
Bill Jameson bjameson@mail.med.upenn.edu wrote:
[snip]
I think most MF users probably started out with 35mm equipment, then
got involved with MF after gaining experience and desiring better
image quality. Consequently, MF users are often more knowledgable and
highly motivated toward making appropriate film selections. 120/220
film usually costs a bit more than 35mm film, and costs more to
process, so there is more of a financial incentive to match the film
you use to the lighting and the subject matter. Also, when you're
shooting 12 exposure rolls of 120, you are more inclined to switch to
a more appropriate film than if you have a 36 exposure roll of 35mm in
the camera.
While many 35mm photographers are satisfied with using discount or
off-brand film, and/or having it developed at a consumer lab or 1-hour
place, this option really isn't available for medium format shooters.
Not all, but most 120/220 films are classified as "professional" films
and should or must be processed at a custom lab. Now, what a
photographer does with his equipment is only one half of the equation
- what the lab does with his film once they get their hands on it is
the other half.
Custom labs normally video analyze each negative before they print it.
This means that a trained technician carefully evaluates a positive
image of each film frame on a large, high rez, color calibrated video
monitor. He considers the subject matter, makes a guess about what
the photographer was trying to accomplish, and then tweaks the color
balance and print paper exposure time to make the print look as good
as it can look. After printing it next goes to a spotting station,
where any dust spots are touched up by hand with a brush and dyes.
Before packaging and delivery, the print goes to a QA station for a
final examination. But the point is, there are at least 3 sets of
human eyes evaluating each print and they are committed to making the
print look as good as it can look - and if it doesn't, they reprint
it. The custom lab I use has this motto "our goal is to make you seem
like a better photographer than you really are." It amazes me how
well they achieve that goal.
I will candidly admit that if I had to rely on a 1-hour lab for my
print processing, I would soon go out of business. The difference
between that and what you get from a good custom lab is like night and
day. I just hope my clients never find that out, or they would
abandon me and shoot their own pictures.
You don't have to be a pro photographer to use a pro lab. You just
have to comply with their rules. Some will process only Kodak
professional films, and nothing else. Some will process only Fuji pro
films, and nothing else. Some will process both Kodak and Fuji pro
films, and nothing else. Some have digital services, others don't.
Some will process slide films, others won't. Some will process black
and white, others do color only.
When chosing a custom lab, there are normally 4 considerations:
1. Is the quality of their output suitable for your needs.?
I rank quality first and price last, because if the quality is not
superb you are wasting your money - no matter how much it costs.
Small labs with a limited range of services often produce the best
quality and at the lowest cost - but you may have to use a different
lab for the services that they don't offer.
There are many custom labs that will service small clients by
mail-order. You normally just write your return address and credit
card number on the processing envelope, and send the film through the
mail in a box the lab provides. I recommend looking over the listings
of labs advertising in Shutterbug Magazine, and call the ones that are
most near to your location. Ask them to send you a "start-up" kit.
They will send a bunch of processing envelopes, mailing boxes,
negative glassines, cropping masks, and most importantly a catalog of
their services with pricelist.
I think quality lab processing makes such a dramatic improvement in
print quality I recommend that one should find a custom lab that they
like before they go shopping for a medium format camera. You may like
the improvements in 35mm picture quality so much that you never feel
the need to buy the medium format outfit.
Gene Windell
From Leica Mailing List:
Yes!!!
And to test this, shoot a roll straight up at a blue sky. Nothing else in
the picture. Just sky. Focus the lens on infinity. Shoot the whole roll.
Then process however you want. And then print some framed from the
beginning, middle, and end of the roll. This can wake you up as to how
good your development technique is.
Jim
...
From: for7@aol.com (FOR7)
How about around $US 8 at http://www.dalelabs.com/orderproof.html
E.T.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001
Mike Knobloch mikey@earthlink.net wrote
$50 for a 6" x 6" Ciba? that sounds kinda way high! Custom Type R
8x10" prints from my local sorta-pro lab run $13 for the first, these
are on glossy Kodak Ekta papers. Ilfordchrome (fka Cibachrome) prints
run $18 for a 8x10". $50 will get you a 20x24" Type R or a 16x20"
Ilfa print at this lab.
-jrp
From: ofajen@coin.org
John R Pierce spamhater@hogranch.com wrote:
indeed. check out
[Ed. note: page was at http://chromatics.com/color_prints.htm - broken link as of 2/2003]
as just one example of more typical rates.
cheers,
otto
From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Hello Olen:
For color processing: Envision Imaging at 1608 E. 23rd Street, Cleveland,
Ohio 441114 (216) 566-7893 does mine and they do a wonderful job. I know
that they have clients from out of state.
As for black and white, you will love Labwork (also a pro lab with out of
state clients). They are located at 1591 E. 22nd Street, Cleveland, Ohio
44114 (216) 621-7567.
Feel free to tell them that Richard Demsey sent you.
You will not be disappointed with either of these fine establishments.
PS: I am not an employee or owner of either!
From Nikon Mailing List;
you wrote:
See http://www.aandi.com/
- --
[Ed. note: can anyone suggest a low cost processor for 6x9cm
prints? Thanks!]
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your thoughts and time. I just got back from B&H;, having
taken the plunge. (For the 6X9 with 65mm f5.6 wide angle). The gent behind
the counter gave me a lead, - Flatiron Color Labs,
www.flatironcolorlab.com I
checked out the site and it looks like they do
most anything. I have no idea if their prices are good or bad. If you get
a chance to check out the site, do let me know if their prices are
reasonable. The guy at B&H; uses them regularly, (I asked if he had their
phone number, he had it programmed in his cell phone...) They are local
to me, but do mail-in's as well. If you have the time, let me know what
you think of them. (What you could tell from their site, that is...)
Thanks again Bob. Kind regards,
Ken
From Medium Format Mailing List:
Pretty sure Dale Labs does... http://www.dalelabs.com
Mitch Winkle
----- Original Message -----
Are there any mail in labs for 120 / 220 film that also do scanning?
Any info greatly appreciated.
Georg
From Rollei Mailing List:
From time to time, people ask if there's a good place to go to get good
balck and white custom work done -- developing and printing. A place that
does good work by hand for reasonable prices is PML in the Twin Cities.
Prices range from $7.50 for a repro-quality RC 8x10 to $12.50 for
processing and a contact sheet for a 36 exposure roll of most films. If
you know of anyone who needs this service, please recommned PML:
Thanks,
From Topica Mailing List:
chartersphoto@aol.com wrote:
The problem with having someone else do your printing is that what you
think a Ciba print of your slide should look like, may, in fact, not be
possible without extensive work. Straight prints rarely look like the
slide. The color saturation of the paper color layers rarely matches the
saturation of the film layers. And if your film was processed by
Fly-by-Night Labs, you may have color crossover which cannot ever be
corrected.
There are three kinds of Ilfochrome material. Regular RC (gloss or pearl),
Super Gloss Polyester, and Rapid. Rapid is for large labs with special
processing equipment.
Regular RC (gloss or pearl) comes only in medium contrast, is easy to
print on, and comes in sheet sizes up to 20x24 and long rolls.
Super Gloss Polyester comes in three grades. Low, medium, and normal
contrast.
Normal and Low contrast Super Gloss comes in sheets up to 30x40 and long
rolls.
Medium contrast Super Gloss only comes in sheets up to 16x20. This is
bewildering!
All Super Gloss Polyester is roughly 2.5 times more expensive than the RC
Gloss or Pearl.
Also, a commercial lab gets paid a fixed price for a print. Say $25 for an
8x10. At this price, they cannot afford to spend any time other than
attempting to match the color balance and density to the slide. Most labs
won't make a test strip for you to see unless the print is 11x14 or
larger. Most labs don't stock the different contrast grades of paper so if
you have a contrasty slide, you will have to have a mask made at another
$25+. So it is quite obvious why commercial labs have a lousy reputation
for printing Cibachrome.
When printing Cibachrome, the density and color balance of the final print
is dependent upon the intensity and color temperature of the light where
the print will be displayed. Will it be displayed under fluorescent,
halogen, or tungsten? How bright will the light be. Will the light be
directly focused on the print or will the light on the print be simply the
ambient room illumination.
When you get a print back from the lab, hang it on the wall and look at it
for awhile. Perhaps over a week, you will always be able to say "this or
that needs to be dodged" "this or that needs to be burned" "the whole
print is too light or too dark... whatever." But these subtleties are very
difficult to explain to a lab who is getting a fixed price for a single
print and cannot make these subtle changes.
I print custom Cibachrome prints for a few local folks. I don't charge per
print. I charge time and materials. Materials at my cost. Time at $100 per
hour. A "straight" print of a slide on RC paper would end up at between
$40 and $60 depending upon the material cost (print size). Fifteen to
thirty minutes of time plus materials.
Finding a lab that will print your slides in a manner that you like may
take a long time. It requires a dialog between you and the printer and
requires time and money. Time for the printer to learn what is wanted from
a particular slide, print it and send a copy to you for evaluation, talk
to you about how it looks, then make a semi final print and live with it
for a day or two, followed by a final print. Money because all of these
efforts take time and use material. It is not uncommon for the first
finished 20x24 polyester or RC print to cost $150, sometimes more,
sometimes less, and to take several weeks to execute. But subsequent
identical prints will cost substantially less as the set-up and printing
are now known and recorded.
Then there is the differences when changing emulsion numbers. If you have
a print made today, and then want another print made six months from now,
they might not match "exactly." Even though the correction between
different emulsions is given on the paper packages, each new emulsion has
slightly different characteristic nuances, that are simply there. They
cannot be changed and are typically very subtile and normally unnoticeable
except to the trained eye. Sometimes they do match exactly. This is not
usually a problem, but the anomaly does exist.
I usually buy several thousand dollars of Ciba material at one time. 8x10,
11x14, 16x20, and 20x24. In batches of the same emulsion number (per
size). Super Gloss polyester, in normal and low contrast, Super Gloss
Polyester medium contrast up to 16x20, and 20x24 medium contrast in RC. If
someone needs a 20x24 between normal and low contrast paper, I will make
it on RC paper. The difference is about $8 in material cost for a sheet of
20x24 paper. The result basically looks the same. A little less gloss. In
a frame under glass it looks the same. A mask is not always a perfect
answer and can be difficult to make. And is an added expense.
As you can see, the world of printing Cibachrome can be quite complicated.
And if you want anything other than an ordinary, perhaps mediocre, print,
it will cost real money. But the results will be, depending upon the
original of course as you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear,
outstanding.
I set-up my current darkroom to efficiently print Cibachrome. My
investment is considerable. But my results are outstanding. Worth it to
me. I rely on no one but myself. Working in my darkroom is a true joy.
Jim
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001
Robert,
http://www.asmanphoto.com
Since I work a mile away from them I'm not sure of their mail-order
policies, but it's worth a look - I won't take b&w; anywhere else, and
they do 120 too.
Pat
[Ed.note: a cautionary note...]
I recently had some negs printed Tri-Color, a large pro lab on Long
Island. I was surprised to discover that all of their work is now done
digitally - eg scan and digital print. For an 8x10, the file size is
about 18 megs. None of this is mentioned in their price lists or other
materials. I found the results poor - loss of highlight and shadow
detail, generally "flat" looking prints.
In principle, digitizing could have many potential advantages, but this
was not a good experience. Interestingly, if I want a copy of the file
saved so that I can edit they add $20 for each scan.
How common is this? Anyone else having similar experiences?
Lawrence
From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Any suggestions on inexpensive choices for high quality printing over the
internet? I've been using a place called digiprintstore.com...very
inexpensive and pretty good quality but I STILL I see a difference between
my digital prints and prints made from negatives. Clearly there MUST be a
cost-effective way to make archival, museum-quality digital prints from
files somewhere out there. Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance for your help!
Bob Miano
From Nikon MF Mailing List;
--- wdshpbiz@aol.com wrote:
And BJ's Wholesale club (I believe affiliated with Sam's Club)
has similar pricing. Slides were $3something and prints were
under $5.00. Not as good as my local lab, but when you're
having fun shooting a lot of film where the results aren't too
critical they do help keep the cost down.
Bill Maloney
From Medium Format Mailing List:
I sent a roll of 120 to Dale Labs in Hollywood, FL. I thought they did
a nice job and gave me 5x5 proof prints for a reasonable cost (something
like $8.25). http://www.dalelabs.com
Mitch Winkle [o]
From Medium Format Mailing List;
EL-CO Color Labs in New Jersey and they deal by mail is excellent for
color or B/W.
call 1-800-446-3526
Sam Sherman
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001
That's the way my local lab was (printed 6x7 portion of the 6x9 frame)
Enlargements that were to make full use of the 6x9 neg. had to go custom
route-expensive. I traded the 6x9 back in for 6x7 backs. I really didn't
like the perspective of 6x9 anyway-too much like 35mm! Not good for
portraits.
Keith Wiebe
Joshua Putnam josh@wolfenet.com wrote
From: cpatinjone@aol.com (CPatinjone)
Try the Slideprinter in Colorado. Their website address:
http://www.slideprinter.com
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001
I have been using an online service called Snapfish" and have been very
pleased. First two rolls are free all other $3.78, regardless of roll
size. Color prints only. They mail you back prints and negs. in 8-10 days
and I have been really happy with the quality. I sent a roll (taken at a
BB game) to them and one to Kodak (same game) and the Snapfish roll had
more accurate color and came back TWO WEEKS before the Kodak roll did and
cost $7.00 less to develop and mail. I been using them for almost a year
and have been very pleased. www.Snapfish.com (customer service is great
too)
Rut wrote:
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001
According to their web site, here's the current pricing structure:
Sounds like a great deal if they do quality work.
From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Depends on where you are located. I have two labs in Miami, Fl that will
process any film you shoot. I know one does mail order processing.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
I'm shooting b&w; film, Kodak TMax 100 professional, not C-41, and can't
find a lab to process it. The lab I'm using will only process C-41 b&w;
(120 ) film. Will be changing to another brand b&w; film and would
appreciate any suggestions as to brand names. The film would have to be
C-41. I use it for landscapes. Also, does anyone know of a lab that will
process non-C-41 120 film? I can't get any concrete info from web sites.
Thanks.
From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Custom Color, Kansas City, Missouri
http://www.customcolor.com/
Jack Casner
Date: Fri Aug 10 2001
Look at these folks: www.acilab.com
--- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 Dave
From: "Graham Stewart" gxs@dcs.ed.ac.uk
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Film Prices
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001
"VT" vtVincent@prodigy.Net wrote
> Can people please share how economically they can get their film
> prices?
Well I buy most of my stuff from 7dayshop who operate for the british
territory of guersney to avoid us having to pay the normal 17.5% tax. There
prices are usually pretty close to the american rates.
As a comparison, in a local camera shop I was quoted o4.85 (just of US$7)
for a 36exp roll of Ilford HP5 when i can get the same film for o1.70 (about
$2.40) with 7dayshop. I did speak to the camera shop owner and settled for
half his normal price, but he cant buy the film wholesale for what I pay for
a single roll of it (they have free P&P; as well just now :)
The film is always long dated (except the discounted provia that expires
later this year - but i got about o1 a roll off) and I really dont have any
complaints.
Graham
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001
From: Austin Franklin darkroom@ix.netcom.com
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Rollei] 6x6 vs. 6x4.5, cropping by lab
> From E.B.:
> > > ..cheap colour prints from standard round-the-corner photo
> > > finishing stores..
>
> From Austin Franklin:
> > My lab has check boxes on the sleeves...and don't pay any more for
> > it.
>
> Good lab. Just for information and comparison (I'll probably never
> mail my negs to overseas ;-) how much would they charge for, say, a
> 20"x30" poster from a 6x6 MF square colour neg ?
You can check with them:
http://www.newenglandcolor.com/
Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002
From: Scott Perkins 2scott@bellsouth.net
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [medium-format] developing 120 film
It looks like for me that mailorder Dale Labs in FL
is a no-brainer as they machine print 8 x 10 "proofs"
for only $2 bucks each !
http://www.dalelabs.com for info.
IN HOLLYWOOD , FL (800) 327-1776
approx $2 each for 8 x 10 COLOR MED FORMAT PRINT
$ 3 or $4 to develop 1 roll of 120 med format film.
They are a color lab only as far as processing film (C-41)
they can print B&W; negs however.
Actually Mitch was the one who recommended them
(Thanks Mitch ) and nobody in Atlanta can touch em.
Compared with the time and trouble to pay $.50 - $.90
for 4x5 proofs or contact sheet and then order at least
one or two 8x10 blowups for $7 to $14 each, I might as
well get them all blown up for the same price.
The gamble is that right out of the chute is I can get
at least two good pics out of ten shots.
Or you can just get the 4x5's and pay less than $9 dollars
including developing and mailing. Since this is my first
foray into big negatives I just cant see getting smaller
prints than I regularly do with 35mm.
I've got a good Pentax V light meter so what could go
wrong ? ? ?
Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002
From: Robert Feinman robertdfeinman@netscape.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: kodak mf processing
I have had poor results from kodak lately using PK12 processing for my
ektachrome 120 slides. I request the film to be returned uncut.
First, they return the film in a processing envelope such as used by
photofinishers rather than in a box like 35mm.
Several times the envelopes have been almost completely torn by the
postoffice and the film could easily have fallen out.
Second, they seem to attach the id sticker to the beginning of the roll
(tape edge) not in total darkness since the first inch or so of the roll
is completely like struck (clear). Since my camera put the first picture
quite near the tape I've lost several pictures or had them partially fogged.
I wrote to kodak to complain, but never got a reply.
Anyone with similar experiences?
--
Robert Feinman
robertdfeinman@netscape.net
Panoramic Photographs: http://robertdfeinman.com
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002
From: bigler@ens2m.fr
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT: price of color processing, 6x9cm
> ....the problem has become processing....does anyone know of a lab
> that would do it for less?
This will probably not not help you, but this will give you a
comparison with what I consider a good example of the benefits of a
European unified market: one of the popular French photo-finishing
stores offers processing of 120 color neg rolls and printing of 6x6 or
6x9 to 4"x6" (10x15cm) paper size for a price similar to 35mm film.
Namely : about (1.5 EUR / USD 1.3) for 120 color neg film processing,
and (.25 EUR / USD .22) per standard print (10x15cm) as a first print
with film processing. Additional prints are somewhat more expensive as
always, (.5 EUR / USD .44) but for any size, they will charge about
the same price as for 135 negs.
One of the reasons might be that, at least for eastern France where I
live, the job is done in nearby Germany (Freiburg im Breisgau) where
rollfilm amateur work is still very important and allows to keep
standard prints from 120 rolls almost as cheap as for 135.
As fas as E6 'chromes processing is concerned they charge about (3 EUR
/ USD 2.6 per roll). You can enjoy 6x9cm slides per se, even if they
will be hard to project, but you may also get decent prints now, as
far as I'm been told, new Japanese "digital" printing machines are
supposed to print digitized slides on standard color neg paper with an
improved quality in terms of controlling the constrast with respect to
previous reversal papers (I'm not speaking about Ilfochrome but
regular Kodak reversal color paper), things being done digitally. In a
sense, an incentive for me to do more R-TLR 120 slides and have some
of them printed for friends or the family.
--
Emmanuel BIGLER
bigler@ens2m.fr
From: tw406@aol.com (TW406)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 27 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Postcards - Which format
You can get 500 4x6 cards printed from your file for about 99. bucks. Check:
www.4by6.com
Great quality, I've used them 8 times.
From: tw406@aol.com (TW406)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 27 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Postcards - Which format
It's commercial, 4-color process printing on heavy card stock with a aqueous
coating, they know what they're doing, I'm a graphic designer. Check the
website, you can request some free samples.
T
How good is the quality, compared with the quality you see of postcards sold in
stores? I am considering the possibility of going into business selling them.
The resolution I see with the commercial postcards is usually better than 35mm.
From: chrisplatt@aol.com (ChrisPlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 26 Jan 2002
Subject: Hand mounter for superslides?
The cost of commercial processing for E-6 slides in 127 format
(> $1.00 per slide!) has forced me to consider doing it myself.
Pikes Peak Plastics offers inexpensive Kaiser plastic superslide mounts.
I am told that a mounting press is required for these two-piece mounts.
Pikes Peaks least expensive hand mounter costs $149.
B&H; sells a "Gepe/Pakon" Snappy Mounter" for $45.
Would the latter (or some other less expensive) hand mounter work?
TIA,
Christopher Platt
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002
From: "Sherman Dunnam" sherman@dunnam.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: First impressions of MF / 501CM
"Mxsmanic" mxsmanic@hotmail.com wrote
> "Stephe" ms_stephe@excite.com wrote ...
>
> > I get film, proccesing and proofs for a
> > little less than $11 a roll.
>
> Sounds like a nice deal. I have to pay about 19 ($16.50) per roll for
> the same thing.
>
> Even at your prices, three hundred rolls, and you've bought a Hasseblad.
> And it's really easy to go through 300 rolls of film.
Wow! I guess we are lucky in the US concerning processing prices. I take
my color stuff to a lab with 2 hour turn around (both 6x6cm and 4x5 inch).
Friday I dropped of then picked up 3 rolls of 120 Velvia and paid about US
$14.
Since, as you said, you pay for film and processing with every shot, and the
"software" costs do outstrip the "hardware" costs relatively quickly, I
wonder if it would "pay" for you to pick up a used JOBO processor like a
CPE-2 or CPA-2 and process your film yourself. You could do 35mm, 120/220
and 4x5 using the same machine. (I would love one myself but my current
priorities are- get a 180 2.8 Sonnar, and get an Epson 2450 scanner.)
Have fun and let us know how the first rolls turn out!
Sherman
From Leica Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: [Leica] Re: metal frames? no! no! not light impressions!
I usually put a very thin UV laminate over my prints and mount them on 1/2"
black gator board. The sizes are usually odd. 48x60, 50x50, 30-1/2x39,
etc... I find that Light Impressions does a great job of supplying custom
frame lengths to the 1/16" I usually order style #12 as it perfectly fits
1/2" gator board and has only a 9/32" lip which does not protrude into the
photograph much at all. And a color of black or matt black makes it almost
invisible.
15% off everything from Light Impressions until March 31.
http://www.lightimpressionsdirect.com
Jim
From: Fred@anon.com (Fred)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Good mail order processing lab?
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001
Imagexperts
http://www.imagexperts.com
A&I; Color
http://www.aandi.com/
From: "PSsquare" pschmitt@stny.rr.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Subject: Re: Good Price for Films
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002
chris wrote in message ...
>Besides B&H; and Adorama, is there any discount place for films on
>internet???
>
>Chris in SF
I have dealt with Universal Film Distributors in NJ for many years with good
results. Good service, in-date film.
Acutally better service than B&H;, where I ran about 30% error in their
orders until I dropped them altogether. Website is:
http://www.unidiscountfilm.com/
Good luck.
PSsquare
From: "Peter Burian" pburian@sympatico.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Subject: Re: Good Price for Films
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002
www.huntsphotoandvideo.com I think,
Peter Burian
"chris" chris_in_sf@pacbell.net wrote ...
> Besides B&H; and Adorama, is there any discount place for films on
> internet???
>
> Chris in SF
From Medium Format Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002
From: Riley Kinney csx333@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [medium-format] Mail Order Photofinishers
I use the BWC Lab in Dallas, TX for B&W; process only and have been very
pleased with the quality. They are at http://www.bwc.net.
--- "Joseph S. Barrera III"
From nikon mailing list:
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002
From: Rick Housh rick@housh.net
Subject: Kirkland (Costco) Film
Last July there was a short thread here to the effect that Costco had
stopped carrying their own Kirkland brand of film, having agreed to an
exclusive arrangement with Kodak. (I have noted that Sam's (Walton)
Wholesale Club has now dropped Fuji film and also now only carries Kodak film.)
Several members lamented the loss of Kirkland film at that time. I just
thought I'd mention for those who preferred Kirkland film that I received a
Freestyle catalog today, and they have a limited quantity of "cold stored"
Kirkland 400 ISO, 24 exposure, 35mm color print film listed at the price of
$15.90 for 5 rolls, plus 5 free rolls if you buy 5.
It was reported that this film was manufactured by Agfa. I also noted that
the Freestyle web site lists some "cold stored" Agfa films at slightly
higher prices, also with the 5 free bonus rolls if you buy 5.
I also noted that if you are a U.S. customer you must order $25 worth of
merchandise or Freestyle won't ship ($100 for foreign customers). Here is
the URL of the Freestyle page with these film prices:
From rollei mailing list:
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002
From: Paul Kollas pkkollas@gorge.net
Subject: [Rollei] Exposure Indexes, First Developers, and dark slides
You wrote:
> In fact, I only shot one roll of Velvia to test my XF 35 for "Point and
> Shoot". The images were extremely sharp - due to the Sonnar lens - but I
> felt that all slides were a bit too dark. I was relating that to the meter
> of the XF 35, but maybe this is an effect of that film The next time I
> shall try with 40 or 32 speed setting at the camera!
This brings up another factor: JOBO Fototechnic, both in their E-6 Handbook
and in their instruction sheet accompanying their Tetenal E-6 3-Bath Plus,
recommend either increasing the first developer time, or increasing exposure
time by 1/3, for Fuji films (E-6). I have found this recommendation to be
valid. I asked a friend who has a commercial film processing store if he
made separate runs for Fuji film, and he said 'no'. As it happens, he is the
very person who originally pointed out the JOBO recommmendation to me. So I
am left to puzzle over how widespread is this conundrum?
pk
From rollei mailing list:
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Exposure Indexes, First Developers, and dark slides
Paul Kollas at pkkollas@gorge.net wrote:
> This brings up another factor: JOBO Fototechnic, both in their E-6 Handbook
> and in their instruction sheet accompanying their Tetenal E-6 3-Bath Plus,
> recommend either increasing the first developer time, or increasing exposure
> time by 1/3, for Fuji films (E-6). I have found this recommendation to be
> valid. I asked a friend who has a commercial film processing store if he
> made separate runs for Fuji film, and he said 'no'. As it happens, he is the
> very person who originally pointed out the JOBO recommmendation to me. So I
> am left to puzzle over how widespread is this conundrum?
Fuji E-6 films are incompatible with others, particularly Kodak, and must
not be run in the same batch in dip-n-dunk processors. If processed
alongside Kodak the Fuji will come out with density and color shifts.
My lab knows this, and never runs the two together, and always runs the
Fuji first thing in the day after the regular daily replenishment of the
chemicals. The lab owner has tested Agfa, Ferrania, Konica, E-6 films
and all "get along" fine with Kodak. It is only Fuji that doesn't.
Bob
from rollei mailing list:
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002
From: Jerry Lehrer jerryleh@pacbell.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 6x9 or 6x4.5, 6x6 On Topic
Jens and Dan
The Fuji labs here do a fine job of my Rollei 120
work. And at a much better price than the local
Black & White Only, which charged me $20 for
developing and a proof sheet of 12 6x6cm. I'll
not be using their "services" again!
Jerry
From leica mailing list:
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: [Leica] RE:: [OT] Color darkroom worth it?
I personally make all of my Cibachrome prints up to 20x24. I have to go out
for 30x40's. Hopefully this will change in the future.
There are numerous types of Cibachrome Classic paper. Resin Coated (RC) in
medium contrast. This is not classed as a 200 year+ archival paper. The
medium contrast emulsion is Ilford's latest emulsion and is spectacular.
And there is Polyester paper. Polyester paper is the expensive stuff, 2.5
times the cost of RC paper. It comes in three contrasts, low, medium, and
normal. Low and normal come in sizes up to 30x40. I mostly buy it (low and
normal contrast) in 20x24 size and cut it down for 16x20 and 8x10 prints. I
also buy it in 11x14 as it is wasteful to cut 11x14's out of 20x24 stock.
Polyester based medium contrast paper only comes in sizes up to 16x20.
Ilford's best emulsion and they supply it only up to 16x20 on the archival
polyester base. But you can buy it in 20x24 on the RC base. This makes no
sense whatsoever!!!
It is the polyester normal contrast that is archival to 200+ years. The low
and medium contrast emulsions on the polyester base are close, but not
quite as good. Followed by the RC paper base.
I buy my Ilfochrome paper from B&H; as they seem to always have fresh stock
in all sizes. And their prices are the best.
I find printing on Cibachrome Classic paper very rewarding as it is easily
manipulated via dodging and burning and various masking techniques allow
you to attain the exact result that you want. Assuming it is in the
transparency in the first place. Filter packs are always low. 15M+10Y is
typical. A 5cc change is very subtile so there is a lot of room to work.
And with the low and medium contrast surfaces, masking is not normally needed.
The P3 chemistry that I use is basically odorless, all clear (no nasty
ferricyanide or the like), and lasts easily six months in my processor
without even a hint of going bad. I mix 15 liters at a time and use it as
needed until all 15 liters are used. Then I mix another 15 liters. I've
never had to dispose of unused P3 chemistry. As I said, I've used a single
batch for a period of six months (June-December 2001) and the filter pack
didn't change. P3 chemistry can be mixed in any amount from the 20 liter
kit. As little as 500cc if you wish. The P3 chemistry is w-a-y w-a-y
better than the P30 chemistry. It's about 1/10th the cost and will last for
a very long time, especially the concentrates. Use JOBO Protectan to
displace the oxygen in the concentrate developer bottle after using what
you need from it. It will last a year or more that way.
Since Ciba now comes in three contrasts, masks are rarely needed. They are
needed in commercial labs since they all use Ilfochrome Rapid which only
comes in the high contrast (labeled normal) version. Ilfochrome Classic
comes in low, medium, and normal (high) contrast versions.
The medium and low contrast emulsions have tamed the color spectrum in that
everything gets equal billing.
Any enlarger with a dichroic color head is sufficient. Used enlargers are
in the $100 to $500 range depending upon the model. Get a good lens, APO
Schneider or APO Rodenstock if you can. A four blade easel large enough for
the largest print size you will make. Get a laser enlarger alignment tool.
The "Parallel" is what I use and it is inexpensive for what it does. See
the article in the current (May-June) Photo Techniques magazine page 52.
You will also need to control your water temperature fairly accurately. 86
deg +/- 1/2 deg. Get a used thermal control valve such as a Delta 1 or a
Leonard (www.leonardvalve.com .) I use a Hass Intellifaucet D250 which is
one of the best darkroom investments I have ever made! www.hassmfg.com
I use a JOBO processor but JOBO type drums and a roller base will work as
well. Used JOBOs are very cheap now. All used darkroom equipment is cheap now.
Jim
From leica mailing list:
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: [Leica] Re: [OT] Color darkroom worth it?
Matthew Powell wrote:
>I'm slowly looking into putting together my own darkroom so I don't have to
>stick to the university's schedule, but I'm wondering if it's worth the
>extra expense to also prepare for color work in the digital age. I've got an
>Epson 1280 and a refurbished Canon film scanner (2710), which may get
>upgraded at some point in the next year or so.
>
>Do the processes for creating prints from slides (Cibachrome?) present any
>significant advance in quality over a good 1280 print?
I print Ciba's weekly, if not daily. I have never seen an inkjet print that
can even approach the rich color saturation of a good Ciba print. I'll talk
to you more later. Gotta go right now...
Jim
From Leica topica mailing list:
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: Re: c-41 processing
Grant Heffernan wrote:
>Anyone here process their own color negs? If so, drop a line either on
>or off list (whatever you feel appropriate). I'd like to know where to
>get started.
>TIA
>-Grant
All the time.
It is dirt simple.
By a Tetenal "C-41 5 LITER KIT"
That's the actual name. "C-41 5 LITER KIT"
Don't use anything else. Two steps plus a stabilizer/photoflo step. Non
caustic. All liquid. Instructions for mixing smaller amounts. It's easy to
mix as little as enough to process one roll. The concentrates last very
very long. Buy a can of tetenal Protectan and spray some in the unused
developer concentrate bottles to displace the oxygen. The partially used
concentrates will last for a year that way.
This is good stuff!
At 86 deg.
Color Dev --------- 6 min
Blix -------------- 4 min
wash -------------- 6 min
Stabilizer -------- 1 min
Jim
From: "that guy" guy@invalid.invalid
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Supplier List
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002
not exactly m/l-format-specific, but a good list nonetheless...
http://www.acecam.com/labsmenu.html
pretty decent coverage for Canada, US states, Mexico, Aus/NZ, UK, Europe,
India, HK, Japan, and more....
from rollei mailing list:
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002
From: Richard Knoppow dickburk@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [Rollei] Re:
you wrote:
>Hi:
>
>I am taking the plunge into large format ( keeping the 6008i) and hope to be
>developing BW shortly. In the meantime, my local professional lab does not do
>any 4x5. Are people doing reversal or color print film much in this format
>and what labs can you reccommend. Thanks,
>
>Bob Haight
A&I; in Los Angeles is excellent. They do E-6, C-41, and 35mm Kodachrome.
There was another lab I liked for color printing but I will have to verify
they still exist.
If your volume isn't too large you might consider a Jobo machine.
----
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@ix.netcom.com
From leica mailing list:
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: [Leica] RE: Why are professional labs unwilling to do pigment dye transfer and Cibachrome?
I make darkroom Cibachrome prints, darkroom Fuji Crystal Archive prints,
and digital scan - LightJet prints on Fuji Crystal Archive paper. Anything
that looks good as a LightJet print will also look good as a Cibachrome
print. The reverse is not true. I have several Cibachrome prints that
cannot be equaled via a scan, Photoshop, LightJet print. They (Calypso/West
Coast Imaging) have tried until they were blue in the face, but failed.
I personally make all of my Cibachrome prints up to 20x24. I have to go out
for 30x40's. Hopefully this will change in the future.
There are numerous types of Cibachrome Classic paper. Resin Coated (RC) in
medium contrast. This is not classed as a 200 year+ archival paper. The
medium contrast emulsion is Ilford's latest emulsion and is spectacular.
And there is Polyester paper. Polyester paper is the expensive stuff, 2.5
times the cost of RC paper. It comes in three contrasts, low, medium, and
normal. Low and normal come in sizes up to 30x40. I mostly buy it (low and
normal contrast) in 20x24 size and cut it down for 16x20 and 8x10 prints. I
also buy it in 11x14 as it is wasteful to cut 11x14's out of 20x24 stock.
Polyester based medium contrast paper only comes in sizes up to 16x20.
Ilford's best emulsion and they supply it only up to 16x20 on the archival
polyester base. But you can buy it in 20x24 on the RC base. This makes no
sense whatsoever!!!
It is the polyester normal contrast that is archival to 200+ years. The low
and medium contrast emulsions on the polyester base are close, but not
quite as good. Followed by the RC paper base.
Then there is Cibachrome Rapid paper, which is what most professional labs
use since the dry-to-dry process is only 3.5 minutes. It comes in glossy &
pearl on the cheap RC base and in super glossy on the expensive and super
archival polyester base. One contrast, normal. This means masking for many
prints.
I also print on Fuji Crystal Archive paper and I have LightJets made on
Fuji Crystal Archive paper. I personally hate this paper. It is a very thin
RC paper and when handling large prints, it is easily kinked. Cibachrome
Classic paper on polyester is fantastic stuff. A white opaque plastic
backing to a rich emulsion. And the super glossy surface looks like it is
always wet.
Trying to color balance a print on Fuji Crystal Archive paper is an
exercise in frustration. It responds to 1cc as if it were 10cc. It is
difficult to make subtile changes.
Fuji Crystal Archive paper is not nearly as archival as Cibachrome
(Ilfochrome) polyester based, super glossy, normal contrast paper. This
Ciba paper is guaranteed 200+ years fade proof.
I find printing on Cibachrome Classic paper very rewarding as it is easily
manipulated via dodging and burning and various masking techniques allow
you to attain the exact result that you want. Assuming it is in the
transparency in the first place. Filter packs are always low. 15M+10Y is
typical. A 5cc change is very subtile so there is a lot of room to work.
And with the low and medium contrast surfaces, masking is not normally needed.
I do custom Cibachrome printing for a few selected clients. These people
tried the scan/LightJet route, were disappointed, so keep coming back for
more Cibachromes. I am v-e-r-y expensive and have only a limited amount of
time to do other people's work. I'm not looking for any new customers.
Most of my LightJet prints are prints too large to produce on Cibachrome.
This is my only reason for going to a LightJet print.
Jim
ps... West Coast Imaging uses Calypso as their LightJet printer, unless
they bought and set-up a LightJet lab of their own within the past six
months. Many times, when at Calypso, I have seen packages addressed to WCI
and I asked Rebecca if they (Calypso) did WCI's printing, and she said yes.
It might be simpler to send your work directly to Calypso as they have a
new scanner and do scan/LightJet's for many many of the big name
photographers. Art Wolfe, Galen Rowell, Franz Lanting, Charlie Cramer, Bill
Atkinson, etc... Just a thought.
From: John Halliwell john@photopia.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: First rolls of MF: Results and questions
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002
Tony
Terlecki usenet@mrps.demon.co.uk writes
>Have you considered developing colour film yourself? I've just gone
>this route mainly for quality control reasons. Ignoring equipment
>setup costs, I'm developing a roll of 120 (E6 process) for about 2
>Euro. There are quite a few used Jobo processors around nowadays.
I remember an E6 developer kit test in a UK magazine. They took the
approach of being inexperienced darkroom workers and followed the
instructions with each kit to the letter. The end result showed most of
the kits produced very poor or inconsistent results. Not something that
really encouraged me to do it myself.
--
John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Photos at http://www.photopia.demon.co.uk
From: "annqlee" annqlee@msn.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Lens Sharpness Revisited
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001
Hi Adam and heretic,
It is not the machine nor the chemicals per say. It is the color channels, the enlarger focus and the
paper quality that determines the quality. Contrast and Saturation on fresh chemistry is mostly
a function of the paper given the same film.
I don't know how machines can increase contrast in color processing? I can not increase contrast
easily without using different papers.
So in short (with a perfect neg), it is the color channels, how well they focus/lens quality and the paper they use.
Ann
Heretic hereticblade@hotmail.com wrote...
> When I first started shooting, I woefully underestimated the importance of
> processing. I figured that so long as I had quality film and took care
> while metering and selecting aperture and shutter speeds, I would
> consistently get excellent shots. Afterall, why pay $12 CAD for processing
> at a real photoshop when you can get a roll done for $6 at the nearest
> over-grown discount department store? This penny-pinching philosophy
> effectively turned the results of my $500+ SLR into what you might expect
> from a $10 disposable. I now take my photos to be developed at one of the
> last independantly owned and operated Photo stores in my city, and I am
> nothing short of blown away by the difference in quality (contrast,
> saturation, sharpness, everything). Now that I've found a quality lab,
> there's no way I'll go back to "Quickdraw's Snapshot Paradise" (as I like
> to call them now).
> >Does the person in the minilab processer chair
> >make a difference or does the machine do the whole thing? Obviously my
> >feeling is to bring all my rolls to the photo shop that did the better
> >job on this but I was wondering what the reason was.
>
>
> I've been wondering about this as well. I once stood at the desk of the
> Walmart photo lab (I hang my head in shame to recall) and you wouldn't
> believe what I saw! The photos would appear on the minilab screen and then
> each shot would individually have its contrast decreased and its brightest
> cranked up, effectively destroying any aesthetic value the picture might
> have had! I was so horrifed that this marked the turning point in my cheap
> lab vs quality lab story. I never went back. The thing is, I don't know if
> this was done automatically by the machine, or if it were done by the lab
> technician feeding the film in...
> Adam
From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002
From: "Fox, Robert" RFox@aarp.org
Subject: RE: [Rollei] Agfa Scala processing
The DR5 lab in NYC also does Scala in both the standard Scala process or the
DR5 process:
http://www.dr5.com/scala.html
They also have reviews of the Efke films. Pretty nice website with good
clear examples of processing results with each film.
R.J.
----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Tempel [mailto:ptempel2000@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Agfa Scala (was Nathan's PAW 17 substitute -
London snaps)
I heard that there are only a handful of places that
process Scala nowadays. I think Duggal here in NYC is
one of them. Where do you take yours to be processed?
I also read somewhere that there's a kit available to
process them. I'd be curious to see how well it
does...
From panoramic mailing list:
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002
From: Bill Barton wbill@bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: Horizon 202 film developing
If you are just looking for a lab to do D&P; of color neg. give these
guys a call.....
http://www.thompsonphoto.com/
From: "Bob Swanson" bob@bob-swanson.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 70mm film processed
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002
Pro Photo in Florida and United Promotions in North Carolina do good 70mm
work. Most national professional labs will do it too. Remember to ask for
your cassettes back. By the way, I have 3 70mm backs with matching inserts
for sale if you are interested. I also have the prism finder designed for
use with the 70mm backs.
Regards, bob s. bob@bob-swanson.com
...
From rangefinder mailing list:
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002
From: ALEXSCIFI@aol.com
Subject: Re: [RF List] 6x9 Processing.
This is second hand from a guy on the MF list:
Overlake Photo Lab., Inc.
http://www.overlakephoto.com/
"They have good prices on 5X enlargements from 6 X 9 negatives. My first
order took about 10 days. Texas to Washington State and return."
The above is a quote--not my comments! I have yet to try them myself.
Alex
From: "Andrea" andrea_7500@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Survey: Development costs...
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002
> So - after that experience, I got to wondering - what do you pay to
> have a roll of 120 film processed?
looks like i'm the luckier:
here in italy, 12 exposures, processing + printing (13cm*13cm, about
5.2"*5.2"), colour, i pay about 3.80 EURO (between 3.5 and 3.7 USD)
in facts, when i began with MF i expected crazy expenses, but this cheap lab
chain (24prints 35mm format 13*18cm = 5.2"*7.2" is 4.50 EURO) handles
cheaply MF too. with good results.
but photography costs here are lower than the USA, and also proc.+printing
Andrea
From hasselblad mailing list:
From hasselblad mailing list:
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002
From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org
Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: San Fran area
George Hartzell wrote:
>If you're going to be down on the Penninsula, The Darkroom in Mountain
>View does good work.
>
> http://www.thedarkroom-mv.com/
The "Darkroom" no longer exists. They closed their doors a few months ago.
Not enough B&W; business anymore. The ex-owner (I'm blocking his name) now
works in the darkroom dept. at Keeble & Shuchat.
I would offer my services but I am w-a-y to busy right now to do any more.
There is darkroom rental in San Francisco. Great place. My photo colleague
uses it all of the time.
http://www.colorarts-sf.com/index.html
Point your mouse to the areas in the "blueprint" to see what they have in
their rental darkrooms.
Jim
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002
From: Jim Brick jbrick@elesys.net
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: [HUG] Maybe OT: Scanning 6x6 slides.
Ayan George wrote:
>I'm considering getting a 501CM kit and I'm looking for a
>low cost way to scan the 6x6 slides it produces. I called
>a local photo shop who charges $20 for the cd-meida + $15
>per scan which makes a 12 frame roll $200! I could buy an
>LS-8000 and break even after about 15 rolls at that rate.
>
>Is $200 for a PhotoCD a reasonable rate? Are there any
>low-cost mail-order or online scanning shops that do MF
>film.
>
>-Ayan
My local photo retailer/minilab has a new Agfa "d-lab.3" digital minilab.
For $2 they process 120 ($4 for 220), 50> each for 5x5 prints, and $5 for a
CD. The images are 7mb TIFF files which is good enough for any inkjet
printer use.
So, for $13, you get your 120 film developed, a set of 5x5 prints, plus a
CD with 7mb image files on it. It's $15 for 220.
I think you would be getting ripped off at where ever it is that you are
talking about.
Jim.
From: "Jeremy" jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Costs: Digital vs. 35mm
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002
Here in Philadelphia, we have a warehouse club ("BJ's Wholesale Club") that
offers a very nice deal on genuine Kodak developing & printing. A roll of
C-41 print film, developed and 24 prints at 5" x 7" size, costs $3.89! That
works out to $.16 per 5x7, including the developing.
Contrast that with Ofoto (a Kodak subsidiary). A 5x7 is $.99 (a 4x6 is
$.49).
I recently shot 3 rolls, and paid under $12.00 for photofinishing through
the warehouse club. That same order, uploaded to Ofoto, would have run me
somewhere in the neighborhood of $75.00, plus shipping.
Admittedly, price is not the only factor in deciding whether to switch to
digital, you must admit, there is a huge difference in photofinishing costs
between film and digital.
I wonder why they can't get their digital prices more in line with their
film prices? After all, there is no film development step, no need to send
a courier on a daily route to pick up and deliver from the various stores,
and they use the same paper (and, presumably, the same type and amount of
chemicals).
Are we being fleeced, or what . . . ?
From: "Ed" EdEllks@NetZero.MyPants.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Costs: Digital vs. 35mm
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002
> Here in Philadelphia, we have a warehouse club ("BJ's Wholesale Club") that
> offers a very nice deal on genuine Kodak developing & printing. A roll of
> C-41 print film, developed and 24 prints at 5" x 7" size, costs $3.89! That
> works out to $.16 per 5x7, including the developing.
Is that onsite or do they send it out? Sam's Club has similar pricing if
they send it out ($3.99 for 4x6 prints, 36-exposures.) It takes about 3
days. If you have it done in house, one-hour, the price is closer to $11
for 4x6 36-exposures. They use Fuji Crystal Archive paper through the Fuji
Frontier system. If you have a nice film scanner, you'll find a lot of
detail in the film that their scanner doesn't catch when making the prints.
There is quite a huge difference.
For important pictures, I just started having them "Develop Only - no
prints", which costs about $1.60 per roll and they do it while I wait. Then
I scan the pictures I want and either go through them or DotPhoto.com for
the prints. It takes a LONG time that way, but the results are much better
and they don't get much of a chance to scratch the negatives. Sam's prices
from digital are the same as their one-hour prices per reprint. I guess the
reason that they are more expensive is that until recently, the operator had
to load each picture from CD. They just installed a Kiosk this week that
feeds into their big printing system. It takes most digital media plus
CD-ROM and it has a flatbed for scanning prints. It'll be interesting to
see how well this works and how often it breaks down.
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002
From: Jim Brick jbrick@elesys.net
To: rbarr@excite.com, hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: [HUG] Favorte B&W; films for Hasselblad and MF work
Well... I don't use 1-hour processing for "my" T400CN. I did years ago and
can't say if they are any different.
The one thing that processing it myself buys is absolute consistency.
1-hour labs use replenished chemistry which requires the running of control
strips daily and adjusting the chemistry accordingly. How many mom & pop
1-hour labs consistently do this. I can tell you that I have certainly
gotten some screwed-up negatives back from a 1-hour lab over the years.
This is why I stick with only two minilabs for happy snap and friends
weddings. Keeble and Shuchat in Palo Alto and Wolf camera in Carmel CA.
They have proven to me, over the years, that they keep their processes in line.
So, all of my T400CN processing for my own work is done by me. I use the
Tetenal 5 liter kit (it IS different than the other size Tetenal kits) and
I use it one shot. New chemistry every time.
The answer is that I "think" a g-o-o-d minilab can give you as good results
as you can get yourself.
Jim
R Barr wrote:
>Jim,
>
>What I mean is, are your processed negs any different from ones processed
>by say a one-hour place? Or are you using basically the same chemistry and
>times. I am sorry if this sounds novice, but I have little or no JOBO
>experience, but I do use this film quite a bit and I am satisfied with the
>photolab results. I was just wondering if there was any differences to the
>processed neg.
>
>It would be nice to control developing times, I must admit. The camera
>store lets me I go behind the counter, but they get mad when I fiddle, you
>know?
>
>Rob
From: fvt2112@attbi.com (Valder)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Costs: Digital vs. 35mm
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002
Same deal here Ed. I take my 35mm film and aps film to Walmart and get
it developed for $1.75 ($1.50 at Walgreens) and scan them at home on
the Scan Elite II. Way better results than I get from the labs.
Valder
From: paddleman@aol.com (Paddleman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 12 Oct 2002
Subject: Re: inexpensive mail order 120 processing?o
Try Walmart... Development and Prints for $1.50
From: "Jeremy" jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: How much on average does it cost you for 24pics including film+dev?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002
"AC/DCdude17"
> Processing costs $2.75/roll at Walmart for a 24 exp color film with 3"
> prints. If there's a picture I absolutely love, I pay the premium price.
Anyone know a better deal?
Here in Philadelphia, Wal-Mart's printing services are absolutely awful.
Washed-out colors. Prints that lack resolution (cheap enlarger lens???)
I understand that their quality varies widely from city to city, so you may
not be as dissatisfied as I am. I've tried both their 1-hour service and
their 2-day service, and have been unhappy with both.
I have been using Kodak processing through a warehouse club, BJ's Wholesale
Club, and the results have always been very good. 24 5x7s, including
developing, for $3.89! (4x6s are $2.89).
Bright colors, sharp prints, 1-day turnaround (no weekends). I'm convinced
that it's the best bang for the buck.
Kodak also does processing for Costco. They may have this arrangement with
other discount clubs, as well. They do not service Sam's Club--that is done
by Fuji. As I've mentioned earlier in this post, I have never had a
satisfactory result from Wal-Mart or Sam's Club. The difference between
Fuji and Kodak processing has been, in my case, like night and day.
For really important stuff, try Dale Labs, in Hollywood, Florida. I've used
them for 30 years, and they have ALWAYS produced excellent results. Their
expensive, relative to the Kodak prices I pay at BJ's, though. But, when it
has to be right, you can't go wrong with Dale.
Their site is at www.dalelabs.com
Cheers!
From: Douglas A. fordprefect80@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: One more reason not to go digital?
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002
"Mxsmanic" mxsmanic@hotmail.com wrote:
>getting some of the best 8x12 and larger prints I've ever had now, from
>digital scans, and they only cost $4, instead of $50 or $60, since I can get
>them even from one-hour labs.
If you have a Sams near you, 8x10s are 3.00 there. They print on Fuji
Frontiers, just as many Pro labs do.
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002
From: Frank Weir frankweir@yahoo.com
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [medium-format] 120 Costs
Lilrich:
Welcome to medium format! It isn't cheap but you'll
enjoy the results. The costs will teach you to take
your photography more seriously rather than just
shooting with abandon. Large format (4x5) is even more
expensive with a per-shot film cost of $1.00 or more
depending on whether you are shooting black and white
or color. That should mean a great improvement in your
images...I have used Flat Iron Color Lab in New York
for processing transparencies. They are much cheaper
than locally but they charge about the same for color
negatives to be developed and printed. Transparencies
were only about $2.50 a roll through Flat Iron.
Just do a google.com search for Seagull cameras and
you should get a ton of Web sites. The Robert Monaghan
site for medium format photography is excellent and
I'm sure they have pages on Seagull.
Good luck and have fun with your cameras!
frank weir
From: "zeitgeist" blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: desperately seeking good mail-order processing source
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002
I presume that you are doing actual black and white film and not that
monochromatic stuff, here's the surprise, good processing with a sleeve or
neg page plus mailing fees will probably run ten bucks a roll.
most professional labs have a variety of delivery options, since the pros
they deal with usually have messengers or UPS to deliver.
see if there are any amateur photogs in town, highschool kids with an
interest in photography, make a trade, you teach them and they develope a
few.
this is a scottsboro NC lab
http://www.photogs.com/dalmatian/news-pma.html
this is in Chapel Hill NC
http://www.flashphotolab.com/processproof.htm
which i found googling "black and white" photo lab (note I used the quotes
marks to keep the phrase black and white as one search word instead of
finding black separate from mentions of white.
both are charging 6 and 5 bucks for the processing. That consumer lab you
found probably sent it out and charged you a mark up from there. color negs
are actually cheaper.
...
From: arbransky@yahoo.com (Aaron Bransky)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Where do you buy 35 mm film?
Date: 15 Nov 2002
Mike Benveniste mhb@clearether.com wrote
> JSR wrote:
>
> > Do most of you buy your film locally or mailorder?
>
>
> You had to ask this _today_? I guess I have to confess. I just
>
> bought 4 rolls of 24-exp 400 speed from, *sigh*, Walgreens. I
>
> wanted to shoot a quick test roll, and for $5.99 I got four
> rolls of film plus a coupon good for 1-hour developing of one of
> them.
Hi, nothing to be ashamed of there!
Same excellent deal with 400 film, and sometimes the 4 pack of 400 is
on sale for $5, including the coupon for processing 1 roll. It's Agfa
film and perfectly decent.
Aaron Bransky
From: "Walt Kienzle" wkienzle@core.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Mystic Photo Lab Closing
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002
Dale Labs seems to be one of the few major direct-mail photo labs that
processes120 film (anymore). Mystic doesn't. But I noticed on the
dalelabs.com website that only prices for processing 120 print film are
listed; no pricing or availability for E-6 films. Did I miss something?
Walt Kienzle
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002
Subject: Re: Mystic Photo Lab Closing
From: Karen Nakamura karen@gpsy.invalid
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
A&I; does E6/C41/B&W; in 120/220 & 135 sizes. :) They're my favorites. I
buy the mailers from B&H.;
http://www.aandi.com/
[blah blah blah no connection with A&I; or B&H; except a happy customer
blah blah blah]
Karen
...
From: Martin Jangowski m.jangowski@phoenix-ag.de
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 6X6 Enlargement Options
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002
Matt Williams kauai82@earthlink.net wrote:
> I just had one of my 6X6 negatives enlarged to a 20"X24" and I am very happy
> with it. However, I had to crop the picture to get it to this size. My
> local film developer (who is very good) has only a 11"X11" inch enlargement
> which keeps the picture square and would not need to be cropped. My
> developer offers no other larger sizes that are square. Are there other
> larger sizes that other film developers that keep the enlargement square? I
> would of liked a 20"x20" or 24"x24" size where I would not have to crop the
> photo. It is amazing on how much better a medium format enlargement looks
> than some of my old 35 mm. ones. Thanks, Matt
You'll have to do it yourself, using roll paper. I regularly enlarge 6x6 negatives
to about 90x90cm (or about 36"x36" for those using units from the dark ages, the
maximum size my enlarger permits on the baseboard), using 107cm roll paper.
Development is done in a PE-tray intended for safe transport of hazardous material
on a euro-palette, dirt cheap at about 40 Euro/$.
Martin
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002
From: ralph fuerbringer rof@mac.com
To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Horizon 202 film developing in NYC?
best price for trans is flatiron on 18th st. best color neg is
carol color also 18th st . they are a block apart. manhattan.
Jockdeboer@aol.com wrote:
> Where can I get my Horizon 202 35 MM film developed in NYC? Does
> anyone know? I recently moved to Brooklyn and work in Manhattan.
> Thanks, Jock
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002
From: "zeitgeist" blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: How much does photography cost, as a hobby?
Without working with specific facts, just guesses and estimations, I figured
that shooting my Mamiya medium format camera costs about one buck per roll
for wear and tear, that each frame cost about one buck for film, processing
and pro lab proof prints.
the depreciation figure came from Mamiya's MTBF rate, mean time between
failures, which is an average of 1,500 rolls for most of the major systems,
shutter, film transport, lens diaphram and mirror.
35mm gears tends to have much longer lives, especially the pro gear, Nikon
brags a million exposures for their top bods.
It is hard to guage digital since there is no cost per frame really, I'm
sure the motorized zoom has a life, who knows, maybe the CCD chips wear out
with so much light exposure. It seems the gear is obsolete faster than
computers and perhaps faster than you can read the owner's manual.
with 35mm your cost per frame varies greatly depending on your expectations,
IE: you could pay pro lab rates for prints for a total cost approaching a
buck a frame, or you could buy close out and out dated film and take it to
costco for processing that is so cheap it seems almost free.
When I was a kid there was a teacher running a photo club, he would buy
movie film ends and hand spool it into cassettes and develope it our selves
(but we would have to use a color correction filter) but the cost was a
little over a penny a frame) \
my original cost guestimates did have a vague resale value, the idea was to
shoot the camera bods and main lenses for 3 years, my average time to run
1,500 rolls, and sell them before I broke something... As digital invades
the market more and more who knows if there will be a used value for the
stuff except for window dressing and antique shop curios.
To judge relative values or costs of the gear you would have to find out the
MTBF rates for the particular pieces, which may be a trade secret, it didn't
seem so for the mamiya, it was sitting on top of the rep's briefcase and
when he saw me looking he turned it towards me and we talked about what the
figures ment. Then figure a resale value, well unless you are using it
daily like a car, then the only figure that would count in any cost analysis
is the resale value. other wise your other costs are extremely variable,
would a camera that you shoot a couple times a month cost more or less than
one you used daily for your job?
....
From: "Jeremy" jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Where can I get cheap processing for slides on MF?
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002
"Leon Mlakar" leon.mlakar@k2.net wrote
> I've only seen the last message in this thread but the lab I use charges me
> exactly the same amount for processing a 135 slide film and a 120 slide
> film. That's developing only, no frames. This means that MF processing is
> even cheaper per frame area (31104 square mm for 36 frames/135 vs. 43200
> square mm for 8 frames/120 shot in 6x9 format) :-)
That seems most unusual. My previous post was based on the perception that
MF was, in general, several times more expensive than 35mm--for bodies, for
lenses, for film and for processing (although I confess that I was thinking
more in terms of prints than of slides).
If COST is a high priority issue, I would think that one would be oriented
more toward 35mm. There seems little justification in investing in an
expensive system, only to me miserly when it comes to using it.
I wonder how many expensive cameras (in all formats) end up spending decades
gathering dust on shelves, only to be sold for pennies on the dollar in the
used market? I have made purchases of equipment that was 25+ years old, on
eBay, that arrived in mint condition.
From: John Halliwell john@photopia.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Where can I get cheap processing for slides on MF?
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002
Jeremy jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com writes
>"Leon Mlakar" leon.mlakar@k2.net> wrote
>
>> I've only seen the last message in this thread but the lab I use charges me
>> exactly the same amount for processing a 135 slide film and a 120 slide
>> film. That's developing only, no frames. This means that MF processing is
>> even cheaper per frame area (31104 square mm for 36 frames/135 vs. 43200
>> square mm for 8 frames/120 shot in 6x9 format) :-)
>
>That seems most unusual. My previous post was based on the perception that
>MF was, in general, several times more expensive than 35mm--for bodies, for
>lenses, for film and for processing (although I confess that I was thinking
>more in terms of prints than of slides).
Not necessarily on many of the above. Bodies are usually more expensive
and frequently require expensive metering prisms and winders. Lenses can
in fact be cheaper if you compare like with like, a good quality 35mm
prime lens can cost as much as the equivalent 645 lens assuming it
doesn't have a leaf shutter. Some systems don't offer the 'shutterless'
lens but many do. You loose out generally on lens speed (usually about a
stop but you're DoF is smaller anyway). Basically there are no cheap
zooms in MF, but once you realise that, the price differences aren't
always that great.
Processing costs depend what service you want and where you take them.
My usual lab charges less for 120 E6 than 35mm (because they don't mount
the E6, just cut and sleeve it). Developing print film costs about the
same as developing E6 (no prints). However my usual 'pro' lab offer
'package deals' (the whole roll printed to a certain size, say 10"x8"),
it works out the same per print for 120 or 35mm, because your charged by
the print size, so a 36 exp print film costs three times a 12 exp 6x6
film to print. So if you only want 24 shots costs a lot less to use MF!
If you take the film to a smaller lab you may be charged the 35mm 36 exp
rate for 12 prints (probably cropped badly as well).
>If COST is a high priority issue, I would think that one would be oriented
>more toward 35mm. There seems little justification in investing in an
>expensive system, only to me miserly when it comes to using it.
Cost can be important, but I imagine other things can be more important
like how easy it is to obtain or process film quickly, depending on the
job. Then again interchangeable backs on MF cameras can help avoid the
need to carry a second body for B&W;, and if changing film a lot avoid a
lot of half used rolls. I find MF much more convenient for this reason.
--
John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Photos at http://www.photopia.demon.co.uk
From: RD Munger munger@fnal.gov
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Mail-order 120 Film lab recommendations?
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003
"Charlie" captcharlie@hotmail.com wrote:
>Thanks for all the replies, folks.
>
>It looks like the consensus is that both A&I; (http://www.aandi.com/) and
>Dale Labs (http://www.dalelabs.com/) are worthwhile.
>
>Any others?
>
>Charlie
Hello Charlie.
Both http://www.photo.net and http://www.photolinks.net have lists of labs.
Robert
From: Barry F afs760bf@cox.net
To: koml@koni-omega.org
Subject: Re: RE: [KOML] Scanning
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003
Speaking of Walmart's three dollar 8X10's, the Sam's Club just a couple of
miles from me has installed a Fuji Frontier. I took the pictures that my son
and his fiancee are going to send out with their wedding announcements. Used
Photoshop to clean them up (remove shadows, film marks, etc), put them on a
disc and took them there. That's a great machine. I did a few 8X10's and a
bunch of 8-up wallets on 8X10 sheets. $1.96 per 8X10 sheet. And the pictures
look as good as if I'd paid fifteen bucks a sheet. I'm sold. So I guess I
won't need that fancy printer, either.
Best,
Barry
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003
From: Philippe Tempel ptempel2000@yahoo.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: [HUG] RE: hasselblad V1 #1860
I've never tried it, but the Massive Dev Chart (at
http://www.digitaltruth.com/) says EI 100 and 9.5 min
@ 68F (20C) for the 35mm version. No info for the 120
version (but I'd try the same as a start). Why not
try Paterson FX-50? It's easier to mix (comes in
liquid form), can be used in a two bath method and is
also a Vitamin C based developer.
--- John Sullivan john@manageperformance.com wrote:
> Can anyone make a suggestion for developing time of
> Neopan Acros 100 in XTOL
> at 1:1?
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003
From: Robert Feinman rdf@sunny.virtualdba.com
To: panorama list panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Subject: Panorama photolabs
The IAPP has agreed to update their web site ( http://panphoto.com ) with a list
of photofinishers that provide panorama services.
If you have any suggestions, I'll forward them.
--
Robert D Feinman
robertdfeinman@netscape.net
Landscapes, Cityscapes, Panoramic Photographs: http://robertdfeinman.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003
From: MMagid3005@aol.com
To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: Panorama photolabs
Main Photo Service, 827 S. Main St., Santa Ana, CA 92701, (714)647-7600, has
done a nice job developing and printing my XPan photos, for a reasonable
price.
Marty Magid
From: "BernieK" bkubiak@attbi.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: inexpensive mail order 120 processing?
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002
$4.95, postage paid, from Vermont Color, PO Box 260, Bennington, VT
05201-9988.
They do C-41 and B&W.; Only 35mm in E6, tho'.
"mike" micgolub@aol.com wrote
> What's the cheapest place to get 120 c-41, e6 processed
> I just need negs processed no prints.
> I prefer a mail order lab
> thanks
>
> Mike
From: "Ken Hart" kwhart@aec.nu
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Old film - where to send?
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003
"Lyle Gordon" lyle@rogers.com wrote
> www.rockymountainfilm.com
>
> steven.sawyer@banet.net wrote
> > I just yanked a roll of Exposed Superlumichrome (I'm assuming pre-WWII)
> > from an antique camera I just aquired. I believe there's someone out
> > there that specializes in processing this sort of stuff. It might have
> > some interesting images on it. Does anyone have the contact
> > information?
Try Greg Miller at Film Rescue International, Indian Head, SK, Canada, (306)
695-2300.
I have no knowledge of his work (except for the Christmas photo of his
curling team on the ice rink!), but I have talked with him, and he seems to
know his business.
--
Ken Hart
kwhart@aec,nu
From: Photopro, Inc. [mail@photopromiami.com]
Sent: Wed 4/16/2003
To: Monaghan, Robert
Subject: Resource link
We would to know if you could list us as a resource link on your site.
We are a full service Photographic & Digital Lab.
Services include:
Film Processing
Proofing
Digital & Conventional Custom Enlargements
Digital Services (ie. scanning, CD's etc.
Photoshop Services
Retouch & Restorations
http://www.photopromiami.com
Thank you,
William Oquendo
Photopro, Inc. Miami
Professional Imaging & Graphics
7238 SW 42nd Terrace
Miami, Florida. 33155
305-262-4355 fax 305-266-2542
email : mail@photopromiami.com
william : woquendo@photopromiami.com
Ed. note: From a piece of spam-mail:
Custom Print Goods
559 S. Highland Street
Memphis, TN 38111
901-327-5456
PersonalizedColors@excite.com
Toll Free: 1-877-503-7415
These folks do banners and signs, but also large custom posters.
A 22"x28" poster is $30 + $5.50 s/h. A 24x30" is $35.
For square format types, a 29" x 32" is $45.
And a 54" x 96" is $252 plus s/h.
From: "Ric Marshall" rmarshl@northstate.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 /220 Processing & Printing
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003
Found a place called Vermont Color
http://www.vermontcolor.com/mediummain.htm
Robin, the customer service Rep., says they charge the same for 120 as 35mm
/ color & B&W.;
They pay postage for mail order both ways. Robin says Processing AND
printing 1 roll of 120 will cost $4.95; the mail order is less than the
"Walk-in" price with longer turn-around.
http://www.vermontcolor.com/mailordermain.htm
That's almost 1/2 the cost of anyone I've found so far...almost too good to
be true?
I ordered a free mailer from the web page and plan to give it a shot.
From: Charles Carstensen [ccarstensen@gwe.net]
Sent: Mon 6/2/2003
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: RE: [HUG] Drum Scanner Lab in U.S.
Daniel, highly recommend A&I; Photo Lab, Los Angeles.
http://www.aandi.com/digital.html
CEC
Can Someone rec a drum scanning lab in the U. S. that can do it for a
reasonable price? I don't mind sending it out via fedex etc.
From: "Jeremy" jeremy@no-spam-thanks.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 35mm Kodachrome--Can It Rival MF Film?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003
"Bob Monaghan" rmonagha@engr.smu.edu wrote
> Roger Hicks and Frances Schultz in The Lens Book makes this argument, that
> about the only film you can/could shoot in 35mm to challenge Med Fmt was
> Kodachrome 25 or similar (ektar 25..).
My wholesale club (BJ's) runs their film processing through the Qualexx lab
in Allentown, PA. So I phoned them and asked about Kodachrome processing
availability. (800-661-FILM)
Customer Service told me that they do process Kodachrome, with a 7-day
turnaround time (not bad, considering that Erwin Puts, in his Leica web
site, says that it often takes several weeks to get his slides back). Cost
is $6.59 for 36 exposures and $4.99 for 24 exposures.
Kodak also makes prints from Kodachrome slides, at $6.49 for an 8x12 and
$15.19 for an 11x14. These are not machine-made prints, she said, but are
done by their technicians. (They don't do machine prints from slides, I was
told).
I can live with 7-day turnaround. I think I'll just give Kodachrome a try.
It has been a long time since I shot any--I got about 30 rolls of Kodachrome
II overstock when Kodak introduced Kodachrome 25--it was THAT long ago!
One question comes to mind: I saw a post not too long ago that said that
A.I. Lab did a better job processing Kodachrome than Kodak did. I was
surprised to see this, because Kodachrome seemed to be associated with Kodak
processing. The thought that an independent lab could do it better seems
strange to me. Has anyone used both, and can they give me their conclusions
regarding comparative quality?
Also, has anyone had any experience with Kodak's prints from slides? I
normally use Dale Labs (www.dalelabs.com) and have always had excellent
results from them. They use Swiss processing equipment that maintains
temperatures to within 1/4 of a degree. They use a 4-step process, rather
than the 2-step process that is typical of most other labs (this according
to their web site). Their enlarger lenses cost in excess of $10,000 apiece.
All I know is that they have brought out the very best in my prints, over
the years.
They are also the guys that sold me that Eastmancolor 5254 and 5247 movie
films, that they processed and printed into "color corrected slides." Those
slides have faded to the point that one can barely detect an image on them.
If I hadn't experienced it myself, I never would have believed it. Quite a
contrast to my old Kodachromes, which seem as saturated and bright as when I
first got them back from the lab, almost 30 years ago.
From: "Peter Williams" tigerphoto@rmi.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Re: Is it becoming harder to get sheet film processed?
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003
> I send all my E6 to a local lab but am concerned that they will drop it.
> Have any of your local labs shut down or converted to digital only?
None in my area, but I wouldn't be too overly concerned. A lot of the big
E-6 machines are geared to take all formats, 35 through 4x5, and any
intelligent lab owner buys all the various carriers for the formats (some
don't even require special equipment - just attach the leader card in a
different way). What wouldn't suprise me is if they cut back how often they
run some of the film sizes; they may only run 4x5 once per week if volume
falls, but I doubt that will happen for a while. Too many commercial
shooters still doing 4x5 slide (particularly the architectural guys), and
most machines these days are configurable so that you can run a set of 4x5
with or just after 35mm or 120.
Re: labs converting totally to digital. I've got one local lab that's gone
BIG into digital, but they haven't dropped anything on the film side. They
just do lots more film scanning and push people towards digital services
(which is one reason I deal with the OTHER lab in town, that still
understands what an Ilfochrome print is and will only go digital if you
specifically request it). Personally, I think the labs that are going
totally digital are idiots, and I wouldn't consider any such lab
"professional" or worth dealing with. There are MANY applications where
digital hasn't caught up, and isn't better than film. Additionally, there
are many MF shooters (and LF folks) who still work with negs because digital
hasn't caught up to that level of quality yet. Forcing the issue and going
totally digital (and forcing customers along with you) is dumb.
A good pro lab (IMHO) is one that keeps on the cutting edge of digital, and
has a good digital department, but also maintains all the classic processes.
One lab in town understands this and offers all the traditional film
services you'd expect, plus full professional digital services upon request.
The other is trying to force the digital issue with Fuji Frontier crap and
severely oversharpened Lightjet images, and only prints traditionally if you
make a fuss. Guess which one is annoying more local pros and amateurs...
-PBW
From: Tom Morley tmorley@mindspring.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: is WolfCamera a Pro shop?
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003
...
Victor Bazarov wrote:
> "redcat" nospam@prism.gatech.edu wrote...
>
>>I dropped my first roll of 120 slide film with Wolf Camera, atlanta and they
>>charge $10 plus taxes with no mounting.
>>is this a normal price to pay?
>
> Last time I paid $6.50 (although I do consider switching to A&I;
> or Dale for slide processing, my local lab didn't do a good job
> last time I used them). So, I'd say, no, it's not normal. Many
> retail photo-finishers do not have equipment to do 120, so they
> send it out, which usually turns out more expensive. Could that
> be the case here?
>
>>what would a Pro shop in Atlanta charge for
>>the same?
>
> Let's hope somebody from Atlanta sees your question.
>
> Victor
Try E-6 lab. 10th and Northside.
$5.75 unmounted
http://www.e-sixlab.com
--
Tom Morley
From: paddleman@aol.comnospam (Paddleman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 03 Aug 2003
Subject: Re: 120 film developing (where?)
You can do mail order at www.vermontcolor.com, they are a professional lab with
a wide range of services. Their web site lists 120 processing at $6.99, but
that is for walk in customers, mail order is only $4.99 and includes postage
both ways. You can get their mailers by going to the web sight or calling
(802) 422-3115.
regards,
Gary
From: dunxuk@aol.commercial (Duncan Ross)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Date: 11 Jul 2003
Subject: Re: Follow up to: Kodak Lab Closing--Film Use Is spread out more...
...
>o4 to process a film - that's very cheap. Does that include printing
>- where do you get it done?
Try Doubleprint, (www.doubleprint.com), o2.99 per 24 exp. film for processing &
prints and two free films and postage. Send out on Monday and you'll usually
have the prints before the end of the week. (sorry for the unavoidable plug!)
I usually palm off the films onto my friends (cheap 200 ASA stuff, I try to
stick to 100 ASA) and use Konica VX100 Super instead, the local chemist sells
these at 98p each for 24 exp.
From: stacey fotocord@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: finding a pro lab
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004
Scotty Fitzgerald wrote:
> Hi,
> Figured out on my own that Kodak is better than one hour photo places,
> but I suspect that Kodak's level of service is not as good as a pro lab.
> So how does a newbie go out there and find a good lab?
I looked under "wholesale processing" in the local yellow pages. They seem
to be hungry, will process my 1-2 rolls at a time and are happy to get the
work. These people are used to working with pro's and their high contrast
optics. I've found the key seems to revolve around what paper they use. If
they use fuji crystal archive or any type of consumer paper, the contrast
is WAY too high for my taste.
--
Stacey
From: bhilton665@aol.comedy (Bill Hilton)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 18 Jun 2004
Subject: Re: MF costs more cuz its much better ;-)
>> I expect even a 20"x 20" print is in the few dollar range
>> certainly not in the 100. Most of the price for a print regardless
>> of how its created is in the mark up and or labor.
One of the best digital labs in the US will provide 20x24" LightJet 5000 prints
for $30 or 16x20's for $20 from your digital files. http://www.calypsoinc.com/
From: Mxsmanic mxsmanic@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: high end DSLR buyers shafted? Re: Anti-digital backlash
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004
Neil Gould writes:
> You're in a fortunate situation! OTOH, it may be that the digital labs are
> grossly overcharging for their services, limiting your options.
One good definition of a pro lab is a lab that grossly overcharges for
its services.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly
From: FSilberman@aol.com
Subject: [Rollei]Kodachrome processing
>
>
Rich Lahrson
>
tripspud@hooked.net
>
From: Brian Yarvin byarvin@mindspring.com
Subject: Response to First Experience with Sunset Color Labs
Date: 1998-07-31
Subject: First Experience with Sunset Color Labs
Date: 1998-07-31
From: Brian C. Miller a-bcmill@exchange.microsoft.com
Subject: Response to Lab for Printing of Odd Format
Date: 1998-08-03
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 processing ?
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998
604 Brevard Ave. PO.Box 70
Cocoa, Fla 32923
1-800-321-1602
Pennsylvania.
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 120 processing ?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998
From: jpmccormac@aol.com (JPMccormac)
[1] Re: Film processing by mail?
Date: Sun Nov 01 1998
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/9273/gr1.html
From: Geuler32@aol.com
To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Subject: FOUND: Panoramic Machine Prints at machine print prices !!!
Thompson Photo Products
2019 University Avenue
Knoxville, TN 37921
USA
e-mail: tpp@tdsnet.com
fax: 423-541-5636
voice: 800-951-6215 or 423-637-0215
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: Price Costco Enlargements
Date: 1 Dec 1998
> Just a quick note decrying the awful [enlargements] service...
> What a joke, I'd rather pay twice as much for decent prints.
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: 120 processing
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998
> I just got back from a road trip, during which i shot about 50 rolls of
> color 120 film. I usually bring my negs to Spectrum Photo in Boston, since
> they're across the street. but because most of these pictures are more
> snapshots than anything else, I'd like to get proofs [not contact sheets]
> made.
>
> a photographer friend told me that some labs specializing in wedding
> photography offer dip-n-dunk processing *and* 5x5" proofs in the $4/$5
per
> roll range. can anyone recommend a lab that can do this? I don't mind
> shipping the negs, but if it's in the boston area, that would be
> preferred.
>
> thanks,
> -perry
Jim
From: F5phd@prodigy.net
[1] Re: Wolf vs The Other Guys
Date: Sat Mar 13 1999
Sarasota Florida.
From: "Weiner, Jeff" Jeff.Weiner@Jacobs.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: RE: problems with getting C-41 processed
6934 Canby Avenue #105
Reseda, CA 91335
(818) 609-1649
(818) 609-1649 Fax
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: a mailorder photo lab
Date: 22 Apr 1999
Linhoff photo & digital imaging
4400 France Avenue South
PO Box 24005
Minneapolis, MN 55424
phone: 612-927-7333
fax: 612-920-3352
From: Lloyd Rabanus lrabanus@netscape.net
Subject: Re: [[NikonMF] Film Developing]
> I would like to know if any of you have a good dependable place that you
> use to mail 35 mm color film for developing and printing. The only places I
From: "Jack Pohler" jpohler@iserv.net
[1] Re: inexpensive mail order processing?
Date: Sat Oct 30 1999
> I am a college student taking up photography as a hobby. I need to
> watch how much I spend carefully.
>
> I have heard Kodak and Fuji mailers offer an inexpensive way to develop
> negatives and slides. Where can I get them? I can't find them anywhere
> on the web.
>
> Is there a more economical way to develop my film while still keeping
> quality?
>
> Thanks alot!
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: "Bert P. Krages" krages@teleport.com
Subject: Re: Mail order photoprocessing for Velvia
>I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a good (read: good quality
>and reasonable price) mail order
>photoprocessing lab for Fuji Velvia in the US? I vaguely remember
>someone referring to a lab in a recent post,
> but didn't pay attention at the time.
Environmental Law
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000
From: "Bob Scott" desmobob@capital.net
Subject: Re: Re: Mail order photoprocessing for Velvia
From: Neal Vickers vickersn@cel.co.chatham.ga.us
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Cheap place for processing (pro-labs pref)
http://www.bestlab.com/sanmig07.html
http://www.indra.com/cocamco/Services.htm
> Sorry to post off topic, but I have to ask since it was brought to
> my
> attention.
> I paid $22 for double prints of b&w film.
> (canadian)
> Is there anywhere where (professional lab) where I can get it done
> for
> cheaper?
> It made me feel ridiculous by my photographer friend to hear his
> reaction regarding the price.
From: sf mover@micron.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: Cheap, but good lab???
From: steelydan@bigfoot.com (Donald Fagen)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: The most economical resolution
>if you take your film to Sams or Wal-mart sooner or later you'll be sorry
>I've used drug stores, K-mart, Wal-mart ect ect ect .....
>your playing with FIRE ......bottom line, if its not that important of
>stuff take it anywhere that doesn't have some snotty nosed high-school
kid
>working the machine. If the tenny bopper is having a bad day YOUR IN HUGE
>TROUBLE .......... I used Wal-mart for a few months loving their
>cheap prices ...then I got brave and took 12 rolls of film to them after
>shooting pictures at a Hydro-plane race ... I got some super shots :)
>GUESS WHAT !!!! 10 rolls of film came back with scratches thru
the
center
>of the pictures....what will Wal-Mart do if you complain ??? give you
>some "free" new film ... OH BOY ...errrr wait a minute, what
about my
>10 rolls of trashed film ?? sorry sir :/
>
>
Cya, CaptZot
>
Sharr/Nezz photography
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000
From: Jim Brick jimbrick@photoaccess.com
Subject: Re: Who makes cibachromes?
>Can anyone recommend a reliable lab for cibachromes (=Ilfachrome
>"classics")? I'm in Ann Arbor but expect I'll have to mail-order.
>
>I apologize if this seems off-topic, but I conceive of it as asking among
>people I'd expect to notice dust spots and other flaws.
>
>Thanks,
>Shane Davis
http://www.lightroom.com/
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999
From: "M. Denis Hill" denis@area360.com
Subject: Panoramic printing
Kingdom Photo
3263 West Broadway
Vancouver, BC V6K 2H5
CANADA
M. Denis Hill | Area 360 Communications
documentation, panoramic photography, marketing communications
mailto:denis@area360.com | http://www.area360.com
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: How much to develop Medium Format
> Hi
> I haven't had any experience in Medium format before. Now I'd like to
know
> the price of developing (both negative and slide) of 645 format. Is
it more
> expensive than 35mm?
From Hasselblad Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000
From: Peter Klosky Peter.Klosky@trw.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: RE: laggard A12
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000
From: Chris Casey chris@caseyphoto.com
Subject: re: Who makes cibachromes?
From Panoramic Mailing List;
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000
From: James Romeo jromeo@iopener.net
To: panorama-l@sci.monash.edu.au
Subject: alt-process large surface
From: Nick Robinson robinson@skylineconcepts.com
To: "'rmonagha@mail.smu.edu'" rmonagha@mail.smu.edu
Subject: color printing
208.342.1017
From Panoramic Mailing List:
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000
From: Robert Erickson cirkut8@yahoo.com
Subject: Free (almost) film processing and prints too!
Bob Erickson
Robert Erickson, cirkut8@yahoo.com
The Panoramic Network: http://www.panoramic.net
Panoramic Images for sale: http://www.panoramic.net/panstore
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000
From: Harold Wong hgw@math.ucla.edu
Subject: Re: Free (almost) film processing and prints too!
From: "Manimal" manimal@tp.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000
Subject: Don't bother with Shutterfly
From Contax Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000
From: "Bob Shell" bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] OT Agfa Scala
...
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 6 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Does This Processing Cost Sound Right ???
>(I'm new to MF - and to photography...)
>
>I shot 6 rolls of Velvia slide film. I took it to a pro shop to have
>it processed and told him I wanted it uncut and then printed on 5x5s
>for proofing.
>
>He said it would be $9/roll for processing and then $20 PER 5x5 shot.
>That's $20 per frame! He said a 16x20 enlargement from slide film
>would be $85!!!
>
>He told me the expense is from converting the slide film to negative
>before printing and the paper is much more expensive.
Ross
From: miaim@mindspring.com (MPS)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: cautions.. Re: Fuji RFs vs. Plaubel Makina
>I consider myself lucky.. My local photo developer develops my slides,
>B&W, and 120/200 slide/prints in about 2 hours or less..
From: LOYJL@aol.com
To: rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: Re: Suggest a site
e-mail:loyjl@aol.com
My name:John Lrus Jr.
Sincerely,
From: ewindell@psci.net (Gene Windell)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: medium format vs 35mm
>How much of the improved detail in highlights/shadow might be
>ascribed to better film selection by those who use medium format?
>In 35 mm, you're going to get better shadow/highlight detail with
>Fuji NPS than with Fuji Superia (at least I do).
2. Does the lab's range of different services meet your requirements?
3. Does the lab's processing and delivery times meet your schedule?
4. Are the lab's services available at a price you are willing to pay?
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000
From: Jim Brick jim_brick@agilent.com
Subject: [Leica] Re: Test report: Stand development in XTOL
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 05 Jan 2001
Subject: Re: So, I got a Holga for Christmas...
>What kind of processing can I get for 120 film that doesn't cost more
>than was spent on the camera? I called one place in my area (Memphis)
>today, and they wanted $3.63 for processing and 98 cents per print (and
>I would have 12). That was going to be over $17. I'm not looking for
>any fancy processing here, so I could really use some advice.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Amanda
for7@aol.com
From: John R Pierce spamhater@hogranch.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: printing off MF slides
>i'm trying to get great (as in accurate color, sharpness, etc) prints
>from sone MF slides (specifically Fuji Provia 100F)...
>
>what does everyone think about "digital prints"? that seems to be the
>best i can get without stepping up to a cibachrome print... the
>"digital print" i'm currently having made will run me about $12 for a
>6x6 print as opposed to approx $50 for a cibachrome.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: printing off MF slides
> $50 for a 6" x 6" Ciba? that sounds kinda way high!
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001
From: COHIBA7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Film Processing
I can recommend two fine labs in my neck of the woods.
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001
From: Henry Posner/B&H; Photo-Video henryp@bhphotovideo.com
Subject: [NIKON] Re: medium format [OT]
>what is the processing cost difference 35mm compared to medium format?
http://www.modernage.com/
http://www.duggal.com/
http://www.burrellprolabs.com/
regards,
Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001
From: "Kenneth F. Musella" kmusella@yahoo.com
To: Robert Monaghan rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: Re: 6X9 advice
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001
From: Mitch Winkle mwinkle@jonatas.com
Subject: Re: [medium-format] Mail in labs ...
mwinkle@jonatas.com
AC4IY
From: "Georg Hess" georghess@yahoo.com
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001
Subject: [medium-format] Mail in labs ...
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001
From: Robert Meier robertmeier@usjet.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Good B&W; Processing
Photo Marketing Labs
P.O. Box 75981
St. Paul, MN 55175-0981
1-651-225-9431
Bob
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001
From: Jim Brick jim_brick@agilent.com
Subject: Re: lab work - more than you wanted to know
> Since logging on to this forum, I have found that this group of Leica owners
> and enthusiasts seem to be the most passionate, well informed and at times
> comical photographers on the net. The reason I am writing is because I can't
>
> seem to find a decent lab to print my slides. I live in Chicago and have
> worked with Gamma Labs on numerous occasions only to be greatly disappointed
> with the quality and service. I need a lab that can produce outstanding
> cibachromes. Any suggestions would be helpful. I would prefer not to drum
> scan my slides and go the digital printing route.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
From: Pat Padua ppad@loc.gov
To: rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: mail-order processing tip
From MediumFormat Mailing List:
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001
From: LAWRENCE REISS paraxial@hotmail.com
Subject: [medium-format] Digital divide
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001
From: Bob Miano bmiano@technisonic.com
Subject: digital prints and backdrops
....
www.miano.tv
www.technisonic.com
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001
From: Bill Maloney bills188@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: COSTCO Developing
> Rick,
>
> Costco Wholesale is a large warehouse membership sales store.
> They are based
> in Washington state but have stores all over the U.S. and in
Wayne, NJ USA
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001
From: Mitch Winkle mwinkle@jonatas.com
Subject: Re: [medium-format] Best Place For Development
mwinkle@jonatas.com
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001
From: flexaret@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: [medium-format] Best Place For Development
From: "Keith Wiebe" keithw@southwind.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Finding labs for 6x9 negs
> rrieger@voyager.net writes:
> >Almost any pro lab should be able to help you. I have one of
these cameras
> >(90mm lens version). The consumer labs in the photo shops think
I'm talking
> >about a new size of lumber when I talk about 6x9, but the several pro
labs
> >in the area (Columbus, Ohio) have had no problems with this size.
>
> Almost any pro lab should be able to develop and print 6x9, but
> not all of them will be able to give you machine print pricing on
> real 6x9 prints -- some machines won't mask larger than 6x7, so
> if you order machine prints, they'll print a 6x7 image from your
> 6x9 negatives. Of course hand printing doesn't have that
> problem, but it's a bit pricey for many people if they simply
> want a machine-enlarged proof print of every frame.
>
> --
> josh@wolfenet.com is Joshua Putnam
> http://www.phred.org/~josh/
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: 19 Jun 2001
Subject: Re: Looking for a good price on prints from slides--can anyone
recommend a lab?
From: Liz Gantzer lizwg@fuse.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: photo lab prices
> I got some mailers from Adoroma for their photo lab services. I gues
I'm
> use to the 1 hour shops. Their prices seem high. 4x6 36 roll prints are
> $11.19, 5x7 $16.59.
>
> Is this typical? How do people afford to shoot rolls and rolls and
get
> quality lab service?
>
> I guess no hobby is cheap huh?
>
> Rut
From: "Andrew S" aws6000@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: photo lab prices
> pleased. www.Snapfish.com (customer service is great too)
"From each roll you send us, you get: A full set of prints on Kodak paper
plus your negatives FREE online photo albums FREE email photo sharing with
family and friends ...Plus easy and affordable reprint ordering We'll
develop your first 3 rolls FREE - all you pay is $1.99 per roll for
shipping and handling of your prints and negatives. After your first 3
rolls, you pay just $1.99 per roll for developing and prints plus $1.99
per roll for shipping & handling."
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001
From: Bob Boggio bob@arazoza.com
Subject: RE: Film question
Thompson Photo Labs
4210 Ponce De Leon Blvd
Coral Gables FL 33134
(305) 443-0669
From: Anne F. Bellenger [mailto:cyclist2@strato.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001
To: hasselblad@kelvin.netR
Subject: Film question
Anne B.
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001
From: Jack Casner jackinkc@home.com
Subject: Re: Film question
Kansas City, Missouri
rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: "Ray Paseur" ray@nondashaol.com
[1] Re: Good but cheap mail order printers for medium?
Ray Paseur
www.non-aol.com
From Rangefinder Mailing List:
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001
From: Mike Johnston <d76121@voyager.net>
Subject: Wanting better B&W results from GIII QL
Shel,
Here's a good place--inexpensive, and all the work is done by hand. The guy
is a very skilled photographer too (he recently had a shot published in _The
New Yorker_, no less):
PML (Photo Marketing Labs)
P.O. Box 75981
St. Paul, MN 55175-0981
Phone 651/225-9431
Fax 651/224-8684
web site: www.photomarketinglabs.com
e-mail: bob@ photomarketinglabs.com
rflist@topica.com at rflist@topica.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> A recent post reminded me that while I have been more
> than extremely pleased with color print results from
> my GIII QL I havn't gotten good (commercially
> processed) black and white results. I did my own
> processing half a lifetime ago but for now does anyone
> know a good (perhaps make that GREAT) place to get
> quality B&W work done? Seems that there was a post
> months ago about a place called Focus Atlanta duing
> such work; tried finding them through Google sans
> definitive results. I havn't been able to get really
> good results from labs recommended by the local pro
> shop. (I know, get my darkroom up and running again,
> but til then...?)
> TIA
> Shel
From: David Flanagan <dwf@caltech.edu>
Reply to: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Slide processing
Try A&I in Hollywood (www.aandi.com). You can buy their film mailers
from bhphotovideo.com for $5.49/roll of 135 or 120.
Cheers,
From: "Joe Pucillo" news@joephoto.8m.com.xx>
Subject: Re: 620 film
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001
eMeL wrote...
> KMend52962 wrote...
> > I would like to find out if anyone knows if the old 620 film
> > is the same as 120 and can it be used in some of the old
> > cameras made for 620
> Lots of people order from them once and then reuse the
> spools for "at home" respooling.
If you don't process the film yourself you can tell your lab to hold your
spools for you to pick up with your order.
What I advise people to do is to spray your empty spools with orange
marking paint so that the lab will not only remember to hold your spools
for you, but they'll be easy to find in the trash bin if they forget, and
you have to tell them to look in the pile and retrieve them. :-)
--
Joe Pucillo
Baltimore, Maryland USA
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com
From: Scott Perkins 2scott@bellsouth.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002
Subject: [medium-format] Mail order processing
ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------------
From: "Mitch Winkle" mwinkle@jonatas.com>
Subject: Re: Camera Clubs in Atlanta
Scott,
I use Dale Labs for my limited 6x6 print processing. They are in
Florida (as I) and provide 4x5 proofs with 6x4.5 and 6x7 and 5x5 proofs
with 6x6. Most places crop to 4x5 for 6x6. I pay $8.75 for 120 film
(you would be $8.50 since you aren't in Florida; no tax). I pay the
postage when sending rolls to them and they pay the postage back.
They do a fine job. No complaints.
See http://www.dalelabs.com for info.
--------------------------------------
Mitch- does that mean that I send the roll of film and $8.50 approx
and they process the film and send me print proofs ?
Or do I pay extra for the proofs ?
Is this for color or B&W; ?
I saw that the place in Atlanta did E6 and C-41 film
I know C-41 is ordinary color stuff .... So is E-6 the B&W; ?
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com>
From: "Mitch Winkle" mwinkle@jonatas.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: [medium-format] Mail order processing
Scott,
Yes, Dale charges me $8.50 + tax (in FL) and I get 12 5"x5" proof prints
from color print (C-41) 120 film. E6 just means slide film (also
referred to as "chromes"). $8.50 sounds like a lot for 12 prints, but
bear in mind that a roll of 120 is about the same surface area as a 35mm
roll of 36, so processing cost is about the same for both.
Dale does not do Black and White as far as I know. If you need a lab to
do that, I like to use Black and White Lab in Prescott, Arizona. They
do not do proof prints, but they do a develop and contact sheet for
about $9.00 + postage depending on film size and number of frames. See
their web site at http://www.blackandwhitelab.com. The reason I like
these folks is that their enlargement service it just TOP NOTCH. They
will crop to your specs, dodge, burn and spot, all for one price which I
think is quite reasonable. I have sold quite a few of my pictures that
they have printed. I don't worry about a thing when I send them work.
Mitch Winkle [o]
mwinkle@jonatas.com
AC4IY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Perkins" 2scott@bellsouth.net>
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002
Subject: [medium-format] Mail order processing
ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------------
From: "Mitch Winkle" mwinkle@jonatas.com>
Subject: Re: Camera Clubs in Atlanta
Scott,
I use Dale Labs for my limited 6x6 print processing. They are in
Florida (as I) and provide 4x5 proofs with 6x4.5 and 6x7 and 5x5 proofs
with 6x6. Most places crop to 4x5 for 6x6. I pay $8.75 for 120 film
(you would be $8.50 since you aren't in Florida; no tax). I pay the
postage when sending rolls to them and they pay the postage back.
They do a fine job. No complaints.
See http://www.dalelabs.com for info.
--------------------------------------
Mitch- does that mean that I send the roll of film and $8.50 approx
and they process the film and send me print proofs ?
Or do I pay extra for the proofs ?
Is this for color or B&W; ?
I saw that the place in Atlanta did E6 and C-41 film
I know C-41 is ordinary color stuff .... So is E-6 the B&W; ?
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001
To: Robert Monaghan rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu>
From: "R. Peters" torx@nwrain.net>
Subject: mail order lab?
Thanks,Bob. I have used Sunset for maybe 25 years. A real shock and
disappointment to see them gone. I was always happy with their work. I'd
have to confess, though, that mail order is somewhat an inconvenience. For
ordinary processing and printing of C-41, our local WalMart is hard to
beat. But no 11x14s from them.
>From what I hear, it would be a good idea to contact any of these labs to
make sure they are still in business, unless you can find a fresh adv. I
think one thing that may have hurt sunset was that they had no web site, no
email address and gave no phone number. Not too swift!
At this point, the only other lab I've had mentioned was this one:
You might get a few of these, but try A&I; in Hollywood.
(www.aandi.com) You can buy their film mailers from B&H; Photo Video for
$5.49/ roll.
bob
you wrote:
>see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/processing.html on labs etc.
>
>I'd be interested in any additions, esp for 35mm and 120 film; I used to
>use sunset myself, but the old typewriter labels and all must have finally
>retired, I guess? ;-) bobm
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
From: Bernard Ferster b.ferster@att.net>
Subject: Re: Large digital prints
you wrote:
>Try ElCo Color Labs in Manalapan, NJ. http://www.elcocolor.com/
Thanks!
.........................B.F..........................
From: "Ray Paseur" ray@nondashaol.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: professional lab
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001
I'm in Washington, DC. Locally, I use Chrome Labs in Georgetown
202-333-3270. When I'm not in a hurry and want to keep costs down, I use
the folks at www.acilab.com - their web site is not so hot, but the service
is good.
---
Ray Paseur
www.non-aol.com
"legal secretary" bjrice@se-tel.com> wrote...
> Where do professional photographers send their 120 film for developing?
> Please comment.
From: "Jim Hand" JimHand32@msn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Is 120 220 film extinct ?
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001
How about Dale Labs:
http://www.dalelbs.com/orderproof.html
6x45 = $9.70 developed & 15 4x5 prints
6x6 = $8.25 developed & 12 5x5 prints
6x7 = $7.30 developed & 10 4x5 prints
No 6x9 (bummer)
BTW, I disagree that film is extinct just because you can't get it processed
at WalMart or the corner drug store.
Jim
"TheSandFox" thesandfox@aol.comb> wrote
>
> I'm proposing the idea that 120 and 220 print film is extinct simply because I
> have not found anywhere to have my film processed and printed - as amazing as
> that might be.
>
> If I'm wrong then where do you get your 120 220 done? I'm looking for simple
> process and print like you might expect from any WalMart - no slides, just
> color prints.
>
> TSF.
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Is 120 220 film extinct ?
From: "Tom Thackrey" tomnr@creative-light.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001
thesandfox@aol.comb (TheSandFox) wrote:
> I'm proposing the idea that 120 and 220 print film is extinct simply
> because I
> have not found anywhere to have my film processed and printed - as amazing
> as
> that might be.
Trolling?
>
> If I'm wrong then where do you get your 120 220 done? I'm looking for
> simple
> process and print like you might expect from any WalMart - no slides,
> just
> color prints.
If you expect process and print like WalMart, why bother with MF?
A quick Yahoo search found a website listing DC (you mentioned you were
north of Wash DC in a follow on posting) photo labs (most of whom do
120/220):
http://www.editorialphoto.com/cityguides/cities/dc.html
- Capital Color - (E6 and dupes only - exceptional staff and quality control
- these guys are incredible - one of the best E6 labs on the East Coast)
Arlington, Va 703-528-DUPE (3873)
- Black & White - (Custom B&W; - Same location as Capital Color - good
people/great printers) Arlington, Va 703-535-1922
- Chrome (Full Service Lab) Georgetown, DC 202-333-3270
- Infinite Photo (Full Service Lab) Springfield, Va 703-354-5801
- Colours (Full Service Lab) Bailey's Cross Roads, Va 703-379-1121
- PhotoLink (Full Service Lab) Georgetown, DC 202-298-6494
- Asman Photo (Full Service Lab) Capital Hill, DC 202-547-7713
- National Geographic Imaging Lab (Full Service Lab) Downtown- Washington,
DC 202-857-7582, 888-NGS-LABS, 202-857-5821 fax
- Dodge Color (Full Service Lab) Bethesda, Md 301-656-0025
- Adamson Editions - Amazing Iris printers - Downtown DC - 202-347-0090
- Repro Images (Dupes and Scans) Vienna, VA 703-938-2604800-998-DUPE,
- Phototech Labs-804-648-2012.Richmond Virgina 20% Discount to EP Members on
Custom Photo Lab services
Where I live, in California, there is one lab 3 blocks from my house and at
least 10 more within 10 miles. The one I use picks up an delivers to my
door.
--
Tom Thackrey
tom at creative-light.com
www.creative-light.com
From: "YourBigPrints" yourbigprints@rcn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format
Subject: Turn your photos into poster-sized prints at YourBigPrints.com!
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002
Do you have a photo or a file that you would like printed into a
poster-sized print? Log onto www.yourbigprints.com to find out the details
and pricing.
From: tomlyons@melbpc.org.au (Thom)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Good places to buy film?
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001
"Tim" TimTeichmanDeleteThisPart@pacbell.net> wrote:
>Having just purchased my first med-format camera, I've been trolling around
>on the web and in local 'professional' stores, and find it hard to find a
>good selection of 120/220 film.
>
>Anyone have advice on a great place to buy film online or mail order?
>
>TIA,
>Tim
>
>
I've been using the Arista rebranded name from Freestyle in Hollywood
for years. Its actually ILFORD. and at a $1.99 a roll it a bargin.
THOM
From: "Bernie Kubiak" bkubiak@mediaone.net>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Too much for film processing?
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001
The cheapest place to get 120 film processed is:
Vermont Color
PO Box 260
Bennington, VT 05201-9988
US$4.95 for processing 120, with 4" prints, postpaid in US. Good, cheap but
not quick.
"Darma" darma@oyster.com> wrote
> Hi there,
> I get my film & processing at a place here in Ottawa, Canada.
>
> I mostly buy Fuji Reala 100 120 rolls, about five bucks CDN a roll.
>
> The processing (with a set of prints) comes to about $16 CDN.
>
> Do you think this is too much?
>
> Thanks,
> D
From: "Flummox(c)" flummox03@home.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Good places to buy film?
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001
You might also want to check into imported film. There really isn't a
difference but I can get a roll of tmax 400 for about $1.20 if I buy
imported. What that means is the film is made in New York, packaged in some
other country, usually Aussie Land for me, and then brought back to the US.
Weird, but that's what I noticed.
Might want to check out Kodak if you use that or Agfa or Fugi.
"Leonard M." RJMAROVELLI@webtv.net> wrote...
> The place that seems the cheapest and the most trusted in my book is
> The Film Shop.
>
> www.filmshop.com
>
> I found that B&H; charges about 50cents to a dollar more for slide film
> and other professional emulsions.
> ~~~
> Lenny
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com>
From: "Mitch Winkle" mwinkle@jonatas.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001
Subject: Re: [medium-format] B&W; printing in the Los Angeles area
If you are willing to wait for mail order enlargements, I highly
recommend Black and White Labs in Arizona.
See http://www.blackandwhitelab.com
They are very competent, include spotting, and reasonable amounts of
burning and dodging and will crop to your specs all for their standard
pricing. They are a husband and wife team and they take great pride in
their work.
I have been completely satisfied.
Mitch Winkle [o]
mwinkle@jonatas.com
AC4IY
----- Original Message -----
From: "glenmore wong" glenmorenee@worldnet.att.net>
To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 2:08 PM
Subject: [medium-format] B&W; printing in the Los Angeles area
Hi,
Any suggestions for print labs in the LA area for modest 120 B&W;
enlargements? Nothing of critical importance, just family photos.
Looking
for good value/bang for the $$.
Thanks,
glenmore
From: "Amardeep S Chana" amardeep_chana@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: film processing costs, and hair pulling
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002
"Joseph Shark" lambchop@burgerstand.com> wrote...
> Hi folks,
>
> I can't take the cost of film processing it is driving me to pull my hair
> out of my head, help :0) I bought some black and white film today at b&h;, I
> like the price of the film there. I was checking out film developing there
> at B&H; and some other joints around the city, and could not fathom the
> costs. One place wants $20 for 36 exposure B&W; processing, are they serious?
> I have my color print processing covered, that is done at snapfish, and for
> a very reasonable price. Slides are also covered, I use fuji slide film, and
> they have processing mailers which cost $3.99 at B&H; for that film. B&W;
> though I do not have covered.
>
York or Clark does 36 exp. B&W; to 3.5x5 for 6.40 plus postage.
From minolta mailing list:
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001
From: gregarpp@icqmail.com
Subject: Re: Medium-Format Vs 35mm [Was: Digest Number 1751]
I have not rolled my own slide film yet.
My local lab charges me $2.25 to develope 35mm slides or negatives.
They don't mind if I roll them myself. (I roll kodak portra)
75% of my roll film is B&W; though.
From Rangefinder Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001
From: Robert Gruber lists@robertgruber.com
Subject: Re: [RF List] motivating myself more
Michael Berube wrote:
>The digital is also great when I don't have the cash to spend on
>film and processing for the moment...I can still shoot and upload
>images to feed the habit. As I can easily erase anything I don't
>like without costing me any money, I try new and different things
>that I wouldn't waste a shot of film on. (yeah, yeah I know..."film
>is cheap"...but it ain't always so.)
Another cheap option is Snapfish.com. They process your film (35mm
color only, no C41 black and white even, no I don't know why), scan
the negs, put them up on the web, and then send you the prints and
the negs, for $4.00 a roll. I'm just sending them my first (free
except for shipping) 3 rolls. If anyone is interested, I'll let you
know how it goes. Only way I can afford to take tons of Lomo shots.
That and $.82 a roll Lucky film. For black and white, I just process
my own. Tri-X is cheap at BandH.
Rob
--
Robert Gruber, Inc.
Web Development
www.robertgruber.com
rob@robertgruber.com