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From: timbreen@tc.umn.edu (Tim Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: New studio, what to buy?
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998

Hi Ellis,

1st, thanks for the reply! And a most comprehensive one at that. You've put in some effort here and I appreciate it and I'm sure the Program Cordinator will too.

With your permission I'd like to re-post your reply to the newsgroup so that other folks who may be interested can benefit from your knowledge. Okay?

> Subject: Re: DN - Re: New studio, what to buy?
>
>
> hi Tim,
> Since this is going to be a public studio:    
> Strobes: Speedotron (because of cost + reliability + ease of service  factors
> (they are made in Chicago)), 5 2400 w/s packs, 6 to 8 standard
> headsheads, 4 x 7" umbrella/grid reflectors, 4 x 10" reflectors.

> Light modifiers: Chimera lightbanks + rotating speedrings, 3 extra
> large + 3 medium (My personal choice are Plume Wafers, but they are more
> expensive.

> Whatever you do stay away from Photoflex, IMHO not durable enough for a
> rental facility.) Photex Goodlighter umbrellas. 2-3 sets of 7" grids
> (anybody's) Radio remotes, 2 sets: I like the Pocket Wizards but the  Quantum
> Radio Slave IVi is good too, if you get the R/S make sure they are on the
> same band (A,B,C,D) so that when one piece breaks down you have a  compatible
> spare breaks.

> Back drops: How high are your ceilings? a rope and pulley system 
> is the most cost effective way to have a backdrop.
>
> A 4 ft. to 6 ft. wide heavy plexi sweep table on wheels. This you
> can make from that heavy duty Safety Lock scaffolding construction crews
> use. Actually enough of that scaffolding to build a shooter's platform  is a
> good idea too.

> A cove or a sweep along one wall/floor junction. This can be bought as a
> system or built by a plasterer/carpenter who really understands what you
> want.
>
> The Calumet or Foba ceiling track and pantograph system to mount
> your light fixtures on. This reduces the acrage taken by stands and cords, and
> should also help reduce liability because there will be fewer things to  trip over.
>                     
>
> Stands: Matthews or Bogen Avenger C-Stands and arms, 8 to 10.
> Also various Matthews silks, scrims, flags, and fingers.
>
> Bogen Magic Arms: start with four. Also several Bogen/Avenger SuperClamps
>
> You want to make photographer's really happy? A 10ft. Foba ASABA camera
> stand and a gitzo G1570 tripod head. Accept no substitutes. Yes this is
> expensive, but it will still be in use 20 years from now.
>
> A really good coffee maker. a 4ft Acculite light table.
> probably the best place to start getting bids on this gear is Calumet
> (1.800.CAL.UMET)
>
> I have no connection to any of the companies or brands mentioned
> above, nor am I the editor of a magazine that accepts or solicits
> advertising from any photographic equipment supplier.
> Best of luck!                   
> Ellis Vener
> Ellis Vener Photography
> Houston, Texas
>   


From: timbreen@tc.umn.edu (Tim Breen)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: New studio, what to buy?
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998

The following is an off-line dialog between Chip Kozy and Tim Breen, reposted by Tim w/Chip's permission.

Chip Kozy = (CK)
Tim Breen = (TB)

(CK)
> > Some people have all the luck!
> >
> > OK.  First lights.  Strobes would be a requirement although a set of
> > floods would be nice for those that like them.  The strobes should be  able
> > to be used stand alone so you might consider monolights (more power per
> > light, flexability in placement...not being tied to a power pack and
> > generally more bang for the buck).  The ability to be banked together is
> > really cool.  I'd say four lights at ~ 1200 W/S each should give you more
> > than enough.  (Funny, but White Lightnings seem to fit this
> > bill...regardless of the fact that I own three of them and love them
> > dearly.)  

(TB)
> I've heard good things about White Lightnings, but for the sake of
> completeness can you recommend another brand, so my pal can get a
> competitive bid?
>
> Also, what do you recommend for floods? Do you think snoots, etc.  should be
> bought for both? Or does someone make a cross-over/universal mounting? As
> you can see, I'm pretty much over my head here.
>

(CK)
> > Since I first used W/L I was hooked and pretty much forgot about all the
> > rest but I believe Bowen still makes a monolight and BalCar makes another
> > although the BalCar are going to be a bit more expensive.  (BTW the  URL I
> > gave you is the old one.  It's now www.white-lightning.com/zmain.html)  The
> > W/L's come standard with a 7"reflector and have a 12" option which would
> > probably fit most floods. > > Just check the reflector size and mix and match.
> > (A friend of mine lends me some of his stuff...snoots, barn-doors,
> >  honeycombs...which, by the way, are all good things to have around for
> > cheap...and he uses both flash and flood [He uses Smith-Victor floods.]
> > with 12" reflectors which fit mine just fine.)

(CK)
> > Where you have lights you must have stands.  Get the ones with a
> > wide spread for stablity and add wheels for mobility.
> >

(TB)
> Any particular brand(s) you like?
>                                   

(CK)
> > I really like and trust Photoflex for all the extra studio stuff. The stands
> > are wide based and their other stuff seems to be well made and pretty
> > rugged.  They're at www.photoflex.com for your shopping pleasure.

(CK)
> > Unbrellas are cheap
> > and some people like the effect so a couple of white bounce and maybe a
> > couple of shoot-throughs would be fine...can also be used with floods.
> >

(TB)
> And they pack away and take up next to zero space when not in use.
>

(CK)          
> > A good, sturdy tripod for the camera helps.
> >

(TB)
> They have several but I think they're video-oriented. I personally own
> Manfroto/Bogen but nothing of "studio" quality so I can't recommend them
> myself. I know the Gitzo's can get *real* expensive... can you  recommend a
> middle ground? How about the heads? Do studio shooters like 3-way pan and
> tilt or pistol grips or what?
>

(CK)
> > As for tripods, everyone that I've talked to pretty much stay away  from the
> > ball > > heads simply because when you want to adjust one plane (say the
> > X plane) you also have to loosen the Y  plane making things a bit more
> > difficult to manage. The guys I've talked to (with permanent  studios...I do
> > location stuff so my needs are slightly different) prefer the three  lock  
> > system although this is very subjective.  Some people may not like the
> > three lock thing, but it kind of makes things a bit easier especially for
> > fine adjustments.

> > (BTW on the tripod thing, I'd get something that can hold up to a 5X7  view
> > camera. It's overkill for a 35mm but if this is an open studio you should
> > be ready for whatever comes your way.  The 8X10 people typically use  their
> > own tripods.)

(CK)
> > Soft boxes are a big plus, but
> > don't go overboard with the really huge ones.  Depending on the  amount of
> > room you have to work in some of those things can just take over the  whole
> > space.  Stick with the smaller ones unless you have enough space to do
> > cars and such.  If that's the case, go for it!  (Get the ones with an
> > internal baffle that can be removed.  Makes the box more versatile.)
> >              

(TB)
> Yes, I think _some_ sort of soft box(es) are a must. As to the space, if
> memory serves me, the room is about 20-25 foot square with a 12-15 foot
> ceiling. Do you think a boom (for the softbox, for overhead product shots)
> is affordable? From where?
>

(CK)
> > Not having permanent set-up I've never used a boom or a ceiling mount,
> > however every studio I've seen so far has had either booms or ceiling
> > tracks.  Very few have both.  I kind of like the ceiling set-up since
> > it gives you more room to move around on the floor without running into
> > things.


(CK)        
> > Backdrops:  you can pay through the nose for "profesional" backdrops or
> > you can make your own out of large sheets of muslin and various dyes (I
> > picked up a piece of muslin that measured 12' by 25' and paid a whopping
> > $35.00 for it.  I dyed it "black" (which, being careful, turns out just
> > about 18% gray), and keep it smooshed in a Safeway grocery  bag...keeps the
> > thing interesting with all the creases and crumples so you won't need the
> > "roll-em-up" setup that runs to quite a bit of money.  Just dye 8 or 10
> > pieces of muslin (size depends on working area) different colors...or  even
> > do a tie-dye thing...and keep them in a closet.
> >

(TB)
> Good idea! As they have an Arts 'n Crafts orientation it's likely  someone on
> staff would have some experience with fabrics and dyes.
>

(CK)          
> > Now if you're going to splurge, get some ceiling mounts and tracks for
> > your lights.  W/L has a "remote" that will set all your lights from a
> > single hand held pad which comes in real handy when your lights are up
> > there on the ceiling.
> >

(TB)
> They have some type of track lights, on a dimmer, already hooked up,  but I
> don't have a clue as to the wattage or the color temp. of the lamps. I like
> the idea of the hand held remote. Perhaps its possible to combine the  two...
>

(CK)
> > I'd check out what they've got up there on the ceiling very carefully.
> > You may be able to use what's there but your concern about light
> > temperature is well grounded.   

(CK)
> > Props are kind of subjective.  You can keep it
> > simple and just get modelling blocks or you can get carried away and  bring
> > in live horses.  ;-)  Props will kind of grow all by their lonesome.
> > You'll get people in who will ask for a specific prop and then you can
> > either buy one (and hope other people will use it) or not.  Kind of
> > depends on the photographers in the area.  (What you can do is ask for
> > input from people who might use the studio...camera clubs, pros with
> > studios and those without, etc.)
> >

(CK)
> > You might want a darkroom attached to the studio (wouldn't it be  loverly?)
> > if they let you, for those quick proofs.  The sky's the limit...or
> > whatever the budget is.
> >                        

(TB)
> Yes, it _is_ loverly. They have two (small-ish but useful) labs right down
> stairs. Too cool! I'm gonna be spending *lots* of time there (smile).
>

(CK)
> > Hopefully this helps a bit. Take care and have fun!  Let us all know how
> > this turns out...we all have this urge to drool all over our  keyboards. ;-)
> > This whole area is highly subjective and maybe some of the discussion
> > this will probably cause will be a learning experience for everybody.
> > Have fun with this.  It sounds like a blast!  Take care and good luck!
> >
> > Sssssssssssssssee ya,
> >
> > Chip
> >     

(TB)
> Yes, I'll be sure to let you (all) know how the project it progressing. The
> project cordinator has until October to spend this budget allotment and
> after that, who knows?
>
> Tim
[end]


From Medium Format Digest:
From: Brian C. Miller a-bcmill@exchange.microsoft.com
Subject: Response to Essentials to beginning a photography studio
Date: 1998-11-23

Backgrounds: Use blankets and dyed drop cloths. There are backgrounds (Photek) in the shops which go for about $175. They have a velour surface and are painted on the other side. Those are blankets! They sell for $20-$50 at retail stores. Color selections, while limited, are adequate. Muslin drop cloths go for $15. Try an arcrylic paint on the blankets, and spot dye the drop cloths. Have fun being creative with the patterns. Hang them up with a curtain rod.

Flashes: I have found that my Vivitar 285 is OK for 9ft (stand to subject) at ISO 400 with an umbrella. The 285 is my only flash at the moment, and the next one will most likely be a Metz. Since your question was posted in MFD, I will presume that you are using a MF rig of some sort, so you'll be fine in this regard. The larger format will offset the grain of the faster film.

(If you don't have a MF camera, buy something and become familiar with it. Maybe start out with two Yashicas. If you can afford it, and its accessories, that's the one for you. Just buy the most recent model of whatever it is that you can afford, and use it. Nobody can tell the difference between camera models based on the prints you produce. Whenever I cropped my Pentax 6x7 prints square, everybody thought I had a Hasselblad.)

Umbrellas: I bought a 50-in. Photek umbrella for $60. The black fabric is removeable, and it comes with a white cover to additionally soften the flash. A stand cost $60, and swivel cost $20.

Reflectors: Car winshield reflectors come in silver and gold. Cover thick cardboard with aluminum foil and transparent white plastic for diffusion. Use foil-covered packing bubbles (it's sold as insulation at hardware stores) for portable, roll-up reflectors.

Flash accessories: A Lumiquest snoot cost $20, and Lumiquest ProMax system was $40 or so. Vivitar AC adapter was maybe $25. You can make the bounces and diffusers from cardboard, aluminum foil, and milk jugs if you like.

Posing stool: Wooden crate. Wooden stool. An old office stool. An adjustable chair without the back.

Props: Wood freight pallette. (Some places put out signs begging people to take these away.) Second-hand knick-knacks. Bottles. Book case with used books. Balls, balloons, cubes, newspaper, whatever strikes your fancy.

So there you go. Besides camera equipment, you will probably spend about $500 initially on flashes/umbrellas/stands/backgrounds if you buy it all new. Much less bought used or built yourself. .....


From Medium Format Digest:
From: Craig Shearman craig.shearman@mail.house.gov
Subject: Response to Essentials to beginning a photography studio
Date: 1998-11-19

You need the following:

-- Two camera bodies with wide, normal and telephoto lens. (50, 80,,
150 mm in MF), plus at least two backs if shooting MF.
--Tripod
--Set of studio strobes, either monolights or packs and heads. At
least two, preferably four, with stands, umbrellas or soft boxes,
snoots, grids, barn doors, etc.
--Backdrops -- either seamless, muslin or painted canvas, and support system
--Flash meter
--Stool for subjects to sit on, possibly other props, especially for
kids
--Film
--Talent  

Craig Shearman
www.bcity.com/redcaboosevideo/


From Medium Format Digest:
From: Marc Turner MTurner@TCMail.frco.com
Subject: Response to Essentials to beginning a photography studio
Date: 1998-11-19

Darlene,

One of the main decisions in setting up a studio is the lighting system. When I started my home-based studio, I invested a lot of money in a Norman 2400 Watt-second power pack with four heads and lots of grids, barndoors, softboxes, etc. This system is very nice and gives me a lot of flexibility, but it was pretty expensive and has a number of drawbacks: the main ones being that it takes a lot of space, is difficult to transport, and requires an outlet to plug into (and not just any outlet either - I've blown circuit breakers a number of times at various wedding sites which can be a little embarrassing).

What I've found is that many of the portraits you will probably end up doing will be clients who want the picture taken either at their home or at an outdoor location. I've acquired two portable (battery-operated) strobes which I find myself using more than the Norman outfit, and they were a lot less expensive. I use them in the studio (they are handy because of their size, weight, and I don't have to run cords to them), outdoors (on lightweight stands which also support the power packs), and on-camera (with an over-camera bracket and using a shoulder-strap for the power pack). They have considerably more power than standard on-camera flashes. For the price of my Norman outfit I could buy six of these portable systems. And the thing is, even if you choose to get a power-pack system, you will still probably need a portable system such as this for environmental portraiture. That's why I would recommend starting out with a portable one. What are the disadvantages? Well, mine have modeling lights but they are not as bright as the Norman power-pack lights and the battery can only run them for 30 minutes or so on a charge (they don't have to be on). If I wanted them on longer, I'd have to buy an adapter that lets you use the pack with a car battery (for studio use).

I guess I haven't mentioned which portable system I chose yet. I've got two Lumedyne 400WS packs. One I use with a standard Lumedyne head, the other I have a Quantum X2 flash unit which can run off the Lumedyne power packs and provides AUTO flash capability for those times you are shooting with the flash on-camera and don't have time to run around metering your flash (like wedding candids). I plan to add a power booster to get one of the flashes up to 800WS for the times you need a bit more power.

I haven't talked myself into selling the Norman outfit, because it does have its place. But I would recommend starting out with a portable flash system, maybe a softbox or two to go with them, and some reflectors/gobos for your first lighting equipment. That would give you a lot of flexibility to start out with, either out at the lake or in your client's home. And you won't spend hours breaking your back lugging heavy packs around.

P.S. Don't waste too much money buying backgrounds to start out with either. A couple of nice painted backgrounds can be good but people really seem to like environmental portraiture - maybe because it's not as easy to get at most "portrait outlets". A plain white paper background is handy too.

-- Marc Turner


From Medium Format Digest:
From: T.K. Liechty tri-x@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Response to Essentials to beginning a photography studio
Date: 1998-11-22

Darlene,

OK. I am a $2 man in a $5 world. Because of this I am also a MacGiver kind of guy. The following is how I built my studio. First I read everything I could find and filtered the most essential from it.

I aquired three flash units, no not studio but what you slide on to your camera. It's important to get the kind that have AC adapters. I shopped Pawn shops, second hand stores, swap meets and yard sales to aquire these units. I bought two of those little peanut slave units at under $5 each.

I bought two umberellas from a clearence store for $3 each and took them apart for patterns and got white sheets a sewed them together for white umbrellas (better if you can find white ones to begin with, hard in my area). I then did the same with black sheets to use as a removeable back for the umbrellas.

I had some aluminum tubing, inch and a half diameter, and I conected them to old office chair bottoms with the wheels for my stands.

I bought a second hand Wien WP1000 flash meter for $60 and a Yashica mat TLR for $35 at a swap meet. At the same meet I found a monopod that has fold out legs for my background light.

With this set up I have been able to learn much about lighting and I can do some pretty impressive photos. Most of all I am having fun and no serious out lay for equiptment. Little by little I can upgrade and get better equiptment to make the job easier.

So you can listen to everyone and still not know or you can jump in with both feet and have fun and learn something.


From: orrin@bad-address.com (ORRIN)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Where can I find Pressure Sensitive Mounting Sheets?
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999

"Rick Davis" vrdavis@roanoke.infi.net wrote:

>I've read that as an alternative to dry mounting photographs, pressure
>sensitive mounting sheets can be used. Problem is, I can't find a
>manufacturer from which I could order. Two names have come up, Scotch and
>Falcon but I don't know how to make the connection, if there is one. Any
>suggestions?

I have used pressure sensitive sheets for some time and the only one that seems to hold over the long term is a product called "GallerieMount" made by Visual Pursuits, Inc. in Chicago. It's in the Porters catalog and at various times I have seen it on the shelf at B&H.; The others seem to come 'un-glued' over a persiod of time.

Orrin - Long Island, New York
Orrin's Caribbean Index - http://www.orrin.org/carib/


rec.photo.technique.people
From: Woodnu@liketa.no (Raskolnikov)
[1] Re: Lighting on a low budget
Date: Sun Mar 21 1999

White walls, white ceiling, 2 283s and a half-fried(full power only) 444 slaved and bounced off every available surface, triggered by an on-camera 322 set manually about two stops low. But you need a flashmeter - thyristors get confused in multi-flash setups. alkalines are too expensive - I use 6v sealed lead alarm batteries, found at Home Depot for $9.95. The 283s are great - you can shoot 'em til they smoke (about 8 consecutive soon-as-the-light-comes-on full power shots with the big batteries recharging them in 3 seconds) and a couple minutes later they're ready to go again. I've even run the silly things off a 12v car battery - they don't sound happy, but they work.

I work out lighting setups on myself (with self-timer) on 12-shot rolls, and then just follow my notes with real subjects. Pro?? no, but the results can look pretty good.

Total cost:

Used 283s $45 each
Used 444 $40
Used 322 with broken battery door $10
Used 292 with dead dedicated battery $10

Minolta Autometer IIIF $150
Electrical tape $.99 a roll = $4.95
Slave $20
Two wobbly tripods masquerading as light stands: $10 each

Only warning: some 283s have a high sync voltage, and other flashes may not appreciate being on the same sync circuit with them - that's how my 444 ended up being full-power-only.


[Ed. note: nice use for that dust gathering slide projector - snoot use! ;-)]
rec.photo.technique.misc
From: merriweatherroyceworthingtonjonesiv@utterlyintrepiddreadnaught.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc,rec.photo.advanced
[1] Re: Clean cut snoot ray
Date: Sun May 02 1999

The front half of an old slide projector will do the trick. Replace the old hot lamp with a jury-rigged attachment to your flash.

Make template "cookies" for whatever shape lighting you wish, and slide them into the old "slide" window.

Depending on your hacking skills and the projector you start with, this project can be way easy or way impossible.

>  Hello,
>
>  I'm trying to get a clean cut circle (or elliptic shape) of light out
>of my snoots.  I have tried with honeycomb grids, it gave a better
>result, but I'm still far from the focalized ray I'd like.
>
>I also have tried to extend the tube of the snoots with dark cardboard,
>still, the ray is kind of doubled (bright center and less bright
>outskirts, even with a diffuser).  A ray that has soft edges would do,
>but the double circles are not acceptable.
>
>Here is the order in wich I placed the the things: flash, diffuser,
>honeygrid, snoot, cardboard extension.
>
>I know that a Leiko would do the trick, but these are kind of
>expensive...
>
>I'm using Photogenic's 600w/s studio flashes.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanx
>
>Maxime Gelinas 


[Ed. note: for tripod adapter screw mounts...]
From: "W Scott Elliot" selliot@direct.ca
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: 1/4 to 3/8?
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999

The Manfrotto catalogue lists several adaptors:

088LBP Small Adaptor coverts 1/4" screw to 3/8"
120 Tripod Adaptor converts 3/8" screw to 1/4"

In the USA, Bogen probably changes the model numbers as they do with the tripods.

Hope this is of some assistance

Scott

allgoo19 wrote

>Has anyone had experience converting 1/4" bottom thread of tripod head to
>3/8" thread?  My local machine shop said it'll cost $65.- to have it done.
>Of course they are not specialized in that work, so it'll take some
>adjustment to their macine setting makes it more costly, I think. I would
>guess this is a pretty common needs for many photographer. So, It must be
>someone, somewhere familiar with this kind of work. If anybody has
>information, let me now.


From: "jsinger" jsinger1@email.com
Subject: Re: 1/4 to 3/8?
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999

The bushings cost about $5 from Really Right Stuff.


From: dwa652@aol.com (DWA652)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Which Bogen Head?
Date: 26 May 1999

>Steve wrote in message ...
>>I am looking to buy a Bogen 3221W tripod but am having difficulty deciding
>>on a Bogen head. There are three heads I am interested in. The 3030, 3047
>
>3030: somewhat tedious to adjust, but you can get it into any angle
>           eventually.  Good qr plate, available for about $10.  The newer
>           ones have a cool latch which allows simply snapping the
>           qr plate back into place.
>3047: sort of a deluxe 3030, but the qr plate will dig into your gut
>           when your camera is hanging from your neck.  hex qr plate
>           about $20.
>3160: same qr plate as 3030, nice, smooth movement on two axes,
>           but you cannot go to portrait mode.  Lacks the 3030's cool
>           snap-back latch.
>
>You might conclude: I'm not totally satisfied with any of these.

A pretty accurate post. I use the 3030 with a 3021, and am pretty satisfied. I put a QR on all my lenses and bodies, so that it is easy to switch. The only exception is my heavy Fuji GX-680 medium format camera, for which I use with a 3036 and a 3047 head.

God Bless,

Don Allen
http://www.DonAllen.net


From: Tony Clark tcphoto@earthlink.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Which Bogen Head?
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999

Canon makes a great ballhead and it sells for about $60. I've had mine for about 5 years and am very happy with it.

Good luck,
TC


From: boydjw@traveller.com
Subject: Re: Bogen 3038 ball head
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Date: Tue, 25 May 1999

I've found the 3038 to be functional, but not much fun to use. It should be ok with an F5 and 80-200 lens, but it's really a questionable ballhead for 35mm work. Be warned, don't try a good ballhead after you've bought the 3038. The rest of the time you own the 3038 you'll be cursing it, and yourself, and trying figure out where to get the extra money to buy a good ballhead.

The 3038 is ok up to short telephoto lenses, but becomes a pain with longer telephoto lenses. The ball has a sticky motion and a tendency to shift a few degrees after setting the tension. The sticky motion problem goes away with heavy equipment. Unfortunately, in the 35mm format heavy equipment accentuates the other problem. When you compose and then "lock" the ball to shoot, the ball will shift. With 400mm or longer lenses, the shift grates on your nerves. With practice you can predict the shift. I got tired of the shift before I became practiced and bought a Studioball head.

I think the 3038 would work much better with large format equipment. With this format wide to short telephotos are the only options so the shift isn't noticeable. The weight of a large format camera obviates the sticky motion problem, and if you're strong enough to carry the camera and tripod the 4 lbs. weight of the head won't bother you.

The 3038 is a classic example of "you get what you pay for." The only reason to recommend a 3038 over better ballheads, such as an Arca-Swiss, Kirk, or Studioball, is budgetary. Unfortunately, anybody who has saved $150 on the 3038 within months will spend $200 or more on the difference between what they sell the 3038 for and have to spend on a good ballhead. Save yourself the trouble, practice self-control by saving up the extra money, and buy a good head. You'll keep it for years, vs. months.

HTH,
Joe Boyd
boydjw@traveller.com


From: Keith Clark ClarkPhotography@spiritone.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Which Bogen Head?
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999

Steve wrote:

> I am looking to buy a Bogen 3221W tripod but am having difficulty deciding
> on a Bogen head. There are three heads I am interested in. The 3030, 3047
> and the new 3410. As a nature, close -up  and landscape photographer I
> would need something that is somewhat easy to carry and stable.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you

The 3047 is a great head, but it's place is in the studio or for use with large format view cameras for architectural shots. If you want a 3047 head I'll send you one for $10 and the cost of shipping... Hasn't been used in 10 years. You really don't want a 3047 head for field use though. Trust me.

A ball head will suit you better. I like Bogen's big ball head, the 3038. It's very fast and easy to use, although some people hate it because they expect it to perform like an Arca Swiss.

If you have $300 or more to spend on the best head around, by all means invest in an Arca Swiss head or a Linhof Profi II head with a quick release plate.

Oh, don't waste money on fancy anti-twist plates!

If you get a Bogen head and QR plate, immediately remove the cheap cork material that Bogen puts on the plates and trash it. Then go to your local auto parts house and buy a $2 sheet of gasket material - the kind made from cork/neoprene - and cut & glue a piece to the Bogen QR plate. It will not absorb oils from your hands like the cheap cork that Bogen uses does. That's what causes the Bogen plates to lose their grip so badly.

Thanks to Dale at Camera Bag (Hillsboro, OR) for that suggestion...it works great!

Cheers!

Keith

http://www.clarkphoto.com


From: eosman@aol.com (Eosman)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Bogen 3038 ball head
Date: 26 May 1999

>I am interested in purchasing this ball head.  I am planning to use this
>with my F5 and AFS 80-200mm f2.8D lens.  I would like to hear from
>people who uses this ball head with a similar camera and lens
>combination.  Thanks.

I had a 3038 ball head and ended up selling it. It is OK for studio work but is just to bulky to carry anywhere else.

I bought the 3038 because I wanted a good quality ball head for my 35mm equipment but I was not prepared to spend $600 to $700 for an Arca B1 plus plates and such. The 3038 was well made and a good head for the price, it just didn't really meet my needs.

I started looking for an alternative solution. I concede that the Arca B1 is probably the best, but I was still not ready to fork over that kind of money. I narrowed it down to offerings from Stroboframe and Kaiser. I chose the Kaiser 6011 at about $170 ( I had seen some good reviews, Galen Rowell being one of them) and paired it with a Stroboframe QRC-300 quick release (another $60 or so).

The folks at Really Right Stuff evaluated the Stroboframe QR system and were impressed with the build quality. Their only concern was that it broke (If I remember the test procedure right) when they put it in the vertical position and attached an 80 pound load . My 35mm equipment doesn't weigh 80 pounds and I don't typically subject my equipment to those kinds of loads. Might be another story for a pro.

The Stroboframe QR screws on and I used a permanent thread locking material (Locktite) to make the installation permanent. I then purchased several Stroboframe antitwist adapters and base plates for 2 cameras and 1 long lens (total cost, another $70).

So the whole system ran about $300 which was less than half of what a comparable Arca B1/RRS setup would have cost. As a bonus, the Stroboframe flash bracket that I use has an integrated plate that mates to the QRC-300.

Good luck with search for the perfect ball head for you.


From: "Paul" pschmitt@stny.lrun.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Bogen 3038 ball head
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999

I have had a Bogen 3038 for over three years and it is my mainstay. I concentrate on nature photography. The 3038 price is a lot more reasonable than the other popular ball heads. Smaller ballheads just don't keep the camera fixed where I set it. I also have a heavy camera, in my case an F4, and feel that you need something rigid to hold that camera.

I use the 3038 for close up macro work with extensions and find it has the necessary rigidity. It is equally good with 300mm lenses. The quick change hex plates allow me to switch between two camera bodies so I can use both print and slide as appropriate. The only negative is that it is heavy. But technically, there is no substitute for weight when you want a stable arrangement.

I team up the ball head with a Bogen 3221 that is modified to allow the legs to go fully horizontal. I have cut the center mounting post down to the minimum so I can get down low for wildflowers and mushrooms. It also helps to put some of the closed cell pipe insulation on the upper legs so that the tripod is not digging into my shoulder when I carry it.

Hope this helps; good luck.


From: glosdl@email.uc.edu (David L. Glos)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Arca-swiss Monoball vs. Giottos?
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999

(Dave Thomsen) wrote:

>I paid about $100 USD for a heavy duty Giottos ball head. I understand
>these are fairly new on the market. My local stores don't seem to have
>the Arca-swiss so I don't have any way to look at or evaluate it.
>
>My only complaint about the Giottos is that it is a little "grainy",
>the ball is slightly rough and thus not entirely smooth.
>
>Has anyone had the chance to play with both of these and can offer me
>some comparisons? I understand the Arca is the "best:" and most
>expensive. What specifically would make me want to spend the extra
>money (4 times as much) on the Arca B1?

FOR THE PRICE the Giotto is very serviceable, although, not in the same class as any Arca-Swiss product. Of course, for three times the price, they shouldn't be in the same class! Go to your local auto parts store and buy a small tube of nickle anti-seize. Very carefully, work a LITTLE (less is better in this case) of this substance into your ball and socket mechanism. That and initial break-in will significantly improve the general feel of your ball head.

Regards,
David Glos
david.glos@uc.edu


From: "Jon Canfield" jcanfi@microsoft.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Arca-swiss Monoball vs. Giottos?
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999

I bought the Giotto for similar reasons. I'm using a B1 now and the feel is MUCH better. If you can't justify the 350 or 400 for the Arca, the Giotto is the best compromise I've seen/tried but it just isn't in the same class as the Arca. Especially with longer lenses, the Arca feels much more responsive and positive on locking and panning.

Jon


Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: Arca-swiss Monoball vs. Giottos?
From: jalbert@nyx.nyx.net (Joseph Albert)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999

Jon Canfield jcanfi@microsoft.com wrote:

>I bought the Giotto for similar reasons. I'm using a B1 now and the feel is
>MUCH better. If you can't justify the 350 or 400 for the Arca, the  Giotto is
>the best compromise I've seen/tried but it just isn't in the same class as
>the Arca. Especially with longer lenses, the Arca feels much more responsive
>and positive on locking and panning.

The Arca Swiss will hold a *much* heavier load without slipping, and has a much smoother friction braking system for fluid movement when loosened. I played around with a Giotto head and found the friction control too grippy-- ie it either has too much slop or suddenly grips too much as it is tightened, so that I found it difficult to adjust to a desired level of resistance for a given weight load. That may just be me, but in any case, I found the Giotto heads disagreeable to use.

There are two ball heads I like:

Arca Swiss B1/B1e
Bogen 3055

The Bogen is quite inexpensive, around $50-60 with quick release, but it works quite well for loads up to about 8lbs. The Arca Swiss is in a completely different league from this Bogen head, and is the best ball head made, imho. The reason I list these two is that every ball head I've seen at a price point in between these two either was so close in price to the Arca Swiss that I'd say go with the Arca Swiss, or was significantly cheaper than the Arca Swiss, but significantly less comfortable to use than the Bogen 3055.

Of course, I'm talking about my own preferences here, your mileage may vary.

JA


From the Bronica Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999
From: "Rainey, William" william.rainey@msfc.nasa.gov
Subject: RE: [BRONICA] Background

Karen,

If you don't mind spending a little time, you can actually make them yourself with very little effort or expense. I've been making mine recently with excellent success. There are two photographs near the bottom of http://fly.hiwaay.net/~wrainey/shannonspage.htm which were done in front of my first backdrop which is latex indoor paint over canvas. Just this weekend I found another good material for backdrops called "blackout lining" (for making draperies), and it is VERY opaque. It's already white on one side, and could easily be painted flat black on the other using flat latex interior paint. The fabric is similar to a fine weave canvas, and has been "sealed" on one side with a rubbery kind of coating making it totally opaque. The fabric side would easily accept latex paint and the sealed side would remain white. It comes in widths up to 118", and if attached to a 1.5" diameter fir dowel rod (available at most good hardware stores like Home Depot) with a staple gun, makes an excellent and easily portable backdrop!

A recent trip to a different fabric store yielded 5 yards of a crushed velour for automotive interiors, and it is what I call "ice blue" in color. I simply stapled it to one of those fir dowels and just started using it as a backdrop for babies and small children this past week. I got my first proofs back from the lab the other day using it, and it photographs VERY well!

Hope this helps...

Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tran, Karen [SMTP:Karen_Tran@URMC.Rochester.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999
> To:   'bronica@iList.net'
> Subject:      [BRONICA] Background
>
> Does anyone know where to get an inexpensive portable background?  Black
> preferably, maybe white on the other side?   I'd love some websites to
> look
> at if anyone knows of any good ones.
>                                                                    Karen
> :-)


Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999
From: classicphoto@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: [BRONICA] Background

you wrote:

>Does anyone know where to get an inexpensive portable background?  Black
>preferably, maybe white on the other side?   I'd love some websites to look
>at if anyone knows of any good ones.

KEH had some new muslins for they were selling for about 60.00 a few months ago. If you go to the portraits section on my web page, you can see what they look like. This is a muslin that sells for about 200.00 most places I've looked. I bought a few different colors to supplement my canvas and paper backgrounds. Couple that with a savage stand for about 89.00, and its a fairly cheap rig since the stand comes in a carry bag.

Regards,

Tim

Classic Photography
http://www.classicphoto.net


From: thrainking@aol.com (ThRainKing)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Homemade backdrop (how to)
Date: 30 Jul 1999

>I whant to made my own canvas backdrop for studio session.
>Did somebody know some good tip or advise about materiel I must use? Or
>about technique of painting for some "cloudy" effect?

I've made all my favorite backdrops. I ususally use bed sheets too, since there is no seam down the middle. The possibilities are pretty endless. Some pointers:

Stretch the fabric tight... make a 2x4 frame if you have to. I use big c stands to hold the frame up.

I use latex paints for ease of cleaning.

As for technique... it just takes practice, and the better your eye for color & tone, the faster you'll get what you want. Look at old master paintings to get an idea of color gradients & brush technique. You may want to put a light, thinned coat of white down as a primer. Let it dry and then re-stretch the (now saggy) fabric.

Washing a few times after the paint is dry gives you a softer look.

I prefer a classic look, as I do mostly commercial product. Some of the more "mass-market" shooters may like the piant-splatter look, which I imagine is easy to do.

Dark "Portrait" backdrops... the ones that are maybe 4' x 6', for head & shoulders shots... tend to have a "hot spot" where the tone gets lighter, positioned to "halo" the head & upper torso of the subject.

Overall, IMO the best thing about painting your own is that it's extremely relaxing to just paint away. After all, it doesn't have to *look* like anything. So have fun.


From: zeitgeist greenky.wa@mindspring.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: homemade backdrop (how to)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999

there's been a couple threads lately on this,

use household acrylic matte paint, sponge it on, use gray tones along with your theme color, splatter your highlights with a dry brush whacked against a stick.

Use awning or sail cloth.

"Erick Sauv," wrote:

> I whant to made my own canvas backdrop for studio session.
> Did somebody know some good tip or advise about materiel I must use? Or
> about technique of painting for some "cloudy" effect?
>
> Thanks
>
> Er


rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: ifga13@my-deja.com
[1] Re: Making a background for studio work.
Date: Sun Aug 22 1999

I make most of my own backgrounds. 10x20 to 20x30. Start with heavy weight muslin from Rosebrand Threatrical supply in New York city. About $6-$7 per running yard in 10' widths. Apply pigment with paint or dye. Flat indoor latex house paint is fine, probably diluted with water, alathough it depends what you want. Two kinds of dye: heat reactive (like Rite dye at grocery stories) and chemically reactive, using soda ash as as the activator.

Heat reactive can only make monochromatic shading. must soak dye in hot water to set the colors, otherwise they will run. I use a clean garbage can if I use this method. Hard to control tonal ranges. Chemically reactive: Procion MX is very common (for your web search) If you can't find, let me know. No need to do a heat process with this method. Easier to control. "Rupert, Gibbon and Spider" is my supplier. West coast, California or Washington I believe.

My two favorite tools are eye-dropper turkey baster and gardrn hose. Spread the muslin out in the yard and go to work. Not good for "repeatability". No two come out the same. I have several styles by changing technique.

I can make a 20x30 for about $125 using three pieces of 10x20 sewn together. Seams are invisible in use. I don't have a web site yet, but I can send you some wallets of background in use with high school seniors if you email me your address.

"Ewan Mackie" emackie@btinternet.com wrote:


> Hi all,
> Can anyone give me any ideas as to the most successful ways of making a
> background for home studio work ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ewan Mackie
> emackie@btinternet.com 


Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999
From: Terry Dawson tdawson@infinet.com
To: rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: backdrops - how to make?

Elisa Libera elisa.libera@sympatico.ca wrote

>     Hi everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any information on how to make your own
> backdrops.  I was searching though all the FAQs to no avail!  I was
> hoping to create a portrait backdrop with an "old-world-wall" kind of
> feel i.e. distressed walls found in Europe.But before I get that far, I
> suppose I need some information on basic backdrop contruction itself. 
>
> I guess the standards out there are canvas & muslin, but what works well
> & is affordable?  What paint works well & is more durable?  Is dyeing a
> better option than paint?
>
> Thanks for any guidance.
>
> -  e l i s a  -

If you want it to hang fairly smooth, heavy canvas is great. Roll on a base coat of predominant, fairly neutral color. Use any old latex and/or acrylic paint you want. You can use it thick or watered down tints. Use muted, natural tones. Daub it on with rags for a subtle, splashy look. There aren't many rules, but the overall values should blend well and get lighter in the center. Use warm, not cold, tones. I would make a high key one (beige or eggshell) and a low key one (very dark brown to black). If you're good with the rag and color coordinating, colored accents can be added.

Depending on how you hang 'em, they could be two sides of the same canvas. I wouldn't go much smaller than 5 feet wide (10 ft. for groups). You need some back-up room behind the sitter for lighting variations and selective focus effects. Roll, not fold, for storage.

The best part is, if you don't like what you've done, you can just paint over it. The built up texture will probably help the effect anyway.

Recap of "rules":

1. Neutral, warmish tones
2. Lighter in center

--
One Zen Zeros - A Digital Photography Resource
http://www.infinet.com/~tdawson/index.html


From: PaulsArt@xoommail.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: backdrops - how to make?
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999

Hi,

I've made a few backdrops, mostly from heavy cotton canvas, and I didn't PAINT them, I DISTRESSED them. Soak in bleach for a few hours, rinse with the hose, leave in the sun for a few weeks. Wash and dry, DON'T fold but roll up on a tube (PVC or cardboard). Looks like an old, sun-bleached adobe or worn-out stucco wall. Use different pre-dyed canvas' for different effects.

My favorite part is they can be done REALLY cheap.

HTH

PaulsArt

....


From: zeitgeist greenky.wa@mindspring.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: backdrops - how to make?
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999

canvas can be had at awning supply or at the large hardware barns. any house paint will work.

my advise is opposite the previous poster, remember, warm tones advance, cool tones recede. I usually go for a blue, blue gray, green gray background with gold, tan and brown highlights. put on some gloves and use sponges to blot the color on, I start with my midtone and light colors an cover them with the overall color. Then I take a 'dry' brush with some highlight color and whack it against a stire stick so the splash hits areas for additional highlights.

oh, decide if the highlights go on top or below of the darker clouds, it doesn't seem to matter which, but consistancy does in the over all effect.

...


From: "Doug Welling" doug@pciconsulting.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: Re: STUDIO RENTAL PRICES ?
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999

Studio space in Dallas ranges from $75-$150 per day for the space. Something like yours I would expect to pay about $100 for the space for the day - backdrops and props included (be sure to collect a deposit).

If you are going(willing) to let someone use your lighting setup you could get up to $25-$30 per day (I am looking at rental fees from 2 places I rent lighting and equipment from to see what they would charge for a similar setup of monolights).

I have recently signed up in a studio rental arrangement whereby 3 of us are sharing a studio space - my cost is $425/mo + 1/3 utilities. I have a fairliy comprehensive lighting setup - mixture of studio hot lights, Novatron strobes, Norman monolight system, Metz and Nikon speedlights for portable location work, stands, booms, reflectors, etc. etc. etc.

I charge a modest fee for the others to use my lights, softboxes, light panels, etc. This helps defray the cost of any repairs that come up - I accept responsibility for the equipment, and puts a little money in the kitty towards purchase of additional items. By having them pay for the use of my equipment, I think that they take the use, care and handling of same a little more seriously than if I were to just let them use it - they are paying to use this out of their pocket and therefore need to get effective use of their $$$ as opposed to taking for granted that the equipment is just there.

Anyway - it sounds like you have a very nice setup, and have made an investment in the additions to the studio and the ability to shoot different scenes, moods, whatever. Put a value on that investment, charge appropriately (not outrageously because you want the rental income), and make sure that you have contingencies in place to cover breakdowns, damage, accidents, liability (model trips over a column and falls headfirst through your prize back drop breaking her arm because she can't see in the blue and red gelled lighting setup boy wonder has put together due to all of the fog in the studio), and plumbing backups from all the tissues the novice makeup artist, brought along for the shoot because she/he is dating the photographer, flushes down your toliet.

--
Cheers,
Doug

....

>    I have a small studio in North Carolina that I have been asked to
> rent out.  I have considered it before, but never have.  I'm trying to
> figure out what I should charge for such a space. If you can help I'd
> appreciate an E-MAIL.
>    The actual shooting space is about 20x25.  There is a changing room
> for models w/ lights and mirrors for hair & makeup.  There are 6-8
> seamless backdrop colors and 8 canvas backdrops on a track system.  2
> are hotspots and the rest are mottled sort of. They are all 9x15 or
> 12x18.  There are 4 Photogenic monolights (3 PL750s 1 PL375R) and
> various hotlights with barndoors, gels etc.  There are various props for
> glamour work and a product table w/ a black and a white surface.  There
> is even a fog machine!
>    Any help / advice / opinion or comments would be appreciated.  Please
> e-mail if possible.  Thanks for your time and attention in this matter.
>    Sincerely,
>    Rob
>    The Photo Dept
>    Hickory, NC


From: mcminn@mail.idt.net (Logan McMinn)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Studio Lighting
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 199

I had the same problem. Very small studio space. I draped the entire room in black fabric, across the ceiling and down to the floor on three sides. Took a lot of cloth, but I found an inexpensive black material that let me do the whole room for anbout $150.00. However, I became especially wary of putting hot lights too close to the material and din't do anything with open flames. Black paint may have been cheapeer to apply, but given the time and effort to repaint a room with black walls and ceiling, I figured the fabric was cheaper.

As for books, I can strongly recommend two

"Light: Science & Magic -- An Introduction to Photographic Lighting" by Phil Hunter and Paul Fuqua, published by Focal Press. The Second edition is the current one. This book goes heavily into principles of light and how light works, rather than showing suggested setups for various situations.

For studio Portraits, "The Portrait: Professional Techniques and Practices in Portrait Photoraphy" by various contributors, Published by Eastman Kodak Company

Two others, which take more of a "cookbook" approach, are:

"Secrets of Still Life Photography" bt Gary Perwiler, published by Amphoto

"Lighting Secrets for the Professional Photographer" by Alan Brown, Joe Braun, and Tim Grondin, published by Writer's Digest bBooks.

I can recommend you buy the first two, but the other two you should probably try to find in a library before you decide to spend the money.

....


From: remove.david@meiland.com (David Meiland)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: Re: STUDIO RENTAL PRICES ?
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999

Great advice, Doug. About $100/day is right. I would not include access to the small items unless you really want to watch like a hawk. Maybe include three stands, three heads, and a pack. If they can get at all of your Metz stuff and your small grip items, you will lose some of that sooner or later. All those props and miscellaneous items cost real money and you need them to work. Large rental houses assume some loss and it's part of doing business. It's really easy for photographers to grab your nice accessories and throw them in their cases when packing up. The law of the universe dictates that they will not accidentally leave you anything of theirs, except possibly plastic film canisters, empty canned air, used kleenex, and cardboard tape cores. I would only include the most basic items, and probably not monolights, because they are easier to break than a pack that always lives on the floor.

What about the phone? What if they suddenly decide to call Europe during the shoot? You won't know that for 30 days.

....


From: Andy Watts andwat@caro.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Inexpensive Ballhead recommendation for novice N8008s user?
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999

The Slik Pro Ball head at around $80 is a good value. It's not as good as a Kirk, Foba or Arca, but it costs much less. It controls all movements with a single handle; very convenient. It's really easier to control than the more expensive ones. It may not last as long, but it will hold most any 35mm gear steady.

andy

...


rec.photo.equipment.misc
Date: Tue Oct 26 1999
From: Lisa Horton Geek@GatorGames.Com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
[1] Re: Monolights on a budget!
I have the same problem. You can buy white ripstop nylon at fabric stores. I make squares of it the same size as the front of my softboxes. I then attach them to the softboxes with velcro or tape (when I'm lazy). I get about 1/2 to 3/4 stop reduction in light with each layer. It's crude, but it works.

Lisa


From: "William Hopkins" whopkins@netins.net
Newsgroups: aus.photo,rec.photo,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.darkroom
Subject: Re: Home Made Studio lights - Web Site... ?????????????/
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999

This is what I did years ago. Get the clamp on sockets and reflectors at a hardware store or lumber yard (Home depot ect) Then get the outdoor Spot or Flood light bulbs - GE Halogen 100 watt or bigger - the halogen is better light source not so yellow. and your in business.......Bill

Keith cherek@wantree.com.au wrote

> Does anyone know of any web sites for making ones own Studio
> Lights?... I am seriously to poor to buy some and only need
> them for personal odd jobs etc...  nothing professional like
> and I am only shooting monochrome Film anyway, so lighting
> types is no problem!.
>
> Regards 


Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
From: Lisa Horton Geek@GatorGames.Com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: homemade softbox - diffusion, hotspot, color

Not too long ago I posted instructions on how to make a style of foamcore softboxes.

Standard thickness foamcore seems to work fine as far as strength, as long as your seams are really strong. I use hot glue, making sure that the hot glue contacts and partially melts the foam core of the foamcore. Very strong and rigid. I use black fabric tape over the seams to neaten them up and make them a little stronger, this after I spray paint the outside of the box black.

The inner diffuser will soften the hotspot, but one thing I like about my home-made boxes is that they have a nice hotspot and so it's easy to "feather" the light. It would be somewhat difficult to do with a foamcore box though, especially in a removable configuration. And the inner diffuser with mounting system might be harder to make than the whole rest of the softbox.

White or silver will both work. White will be softer, silver more specular. I like the really cheap and crappy silver spray paint, as it gives a satin silver finish, softly specular.

Making a box that allows the light to be reverse mounted inside the box would be substantially more complicated than a straight shoot through box, but would certainly be possible, if the constructor is clever and motivated.

Removable silver and gold inserts might not be difficult at all, just some velcro. But making a removable face would be much more difficult.

I wouldn't reccomend this whole project unless you are fairly proficient at building things. But it can be a fun project and hugely cheaper than buying Photoflex or other commercial boxes. My biggest piece of advice is that I *strongly* reccomend making a small prototype first to make sure you have everything worked out.

Lisa

mikey@hotmail wrote:

> just an amateur/hobbyist, but I'm wanting
> to get my first softbox, mainly to use for portraits.
>
> I've shopped around, but they cost more than I can spend,
> so I've thought about making my own.
> I've read some here (and thru dejanews) about other
> people's homemade.
>
> I think I'm going to try to make it out of foamcore and use
> ripstop nylon for a diffuser.
> Isn't foamcore thick enough that I don't need anything over
> the outside of it?  (as long as my seams are sealed)
>
> some people have said to also use an inner diffuser/baffle,
> in addition to the front one (ala Photoflex softboxes),
> for more diffusion and to help soften the hotspot.
> good idea?
>
> with a big enough box, can't I also turn the light around
> and bounce it off the inside, first?
>
> will white interior work for this, or do I need a more reflective
> silver?   is there a metallic silver foamcore?  aluminum foil?
> one of those silver lined emergency blankets?
> What kind of gold material?
>
> maybe I can make removable gold and silver inserts,
> again ala the Photoflexes.
> http://www.photoflex.com/product/products/multidome/ 
>
> any other ideas, hints, tips, suggestions?


Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: homemade softbox - diffusion, hotspot, color

Get a sheet of nylon and hang it from the ceiling and shoot your light through it, bounce it off the back wall, or get a couple or three sheets of styrofoam insulation pannels at the hardware store and make a V or a U and place your light inside.

If you really want a small softbox, Robert Monaghan gave a really cool tip, use a styrofoam cooler, you can punch a hole to run the lightstand pole through, its soft, its white, its cheap.

all the different insides, silver foil, matte white, etc will effect the amount of light, and the quality of light, IE: how intense the spectrals are, how spread the light is. Shoot straight through or bounce off the back are also major effectual differences that you should experiment with. I've done lots of posts about this on rec.photo.technique.people, especially the concept of what a 'large' softbox is, at least to me.

inter pannels do more than soften the light, they give the light more depth, something that few people ever give any concideration to.

this post is echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at onelist.com, you could join it and ask more questions there.


From: Oleg March olegm@concentric.net
Date: 31 Jan 2000
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: homemade softbox - diffusion, hotspot, color

If you need a studio soft box, why not to use any box? Line inside w. matte or crumpled alum foil and a white Lycra double layered front. To attach the box to the head you can do the following:

take 2 5"x5" pieces of plywood. Drill a hole in the center. Take metal threaded rod and two nuts. Place one 5x5 outside of the rear of the light box, the other on the inside, put one end of the rod through them and tighten nuts on both sides. The other end of the rod goes into the umbrella hole in the flash head.

If you need a location soft box take an umbrella, replace colored fabric w. a white one (I hope I'm not politically incorrect). Attach w. velcro another piece of Lycra on the front. (make sure the head is inside)

Oleg


Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000
From: rupunzel@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Milk jug Lumiquest

I received a reply to a message that I posted last week (Flash with a handkerchief) that mentioned making a Lumiquest (I assume pocket bouncer) out of milk jugs. If anyone can give me more information on how this can be done, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,
Amanda

By the way, I really think that the people in this forum are really helpful. I have really appreciated all of the advice that I have received over the past few months.


Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000
From: Joseph Savant jsavant@earthlink.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: homemade softbox - diffusion, hotspot, color

I've got several foamcore boxes which have lasted for 15 yrs or so.

Used foam core boxes held together with duct tape. Painted the exterior black to absorb light bleed through. Used 1/16" white plexi for front diffusion (and stiffening) but vellum or any diffusion material will work. My boxes were 24" deep or greater to help with evening out hotspot with Speedotron 102 heads.

Lined with crinkled aluminum foil mounted with spray adhesive. This brightened the output by 1 fstop or so and reduced hotspot.

Bouncing the light in the box will be the most even and softest but will lose a few stops.

On the largest 36x48 boxes, I used a fork made from copper tubing and 45 elbows mounted on two sides of the box and suspended from a boom.

On smaller boxes, the rear panel was made by folding ends from all 4 sides over and sandwiching these between two 1/4" hardboard pieces. The appropriate size hole was cut for the head and mounting ring attached.

The smaller boxes were light enough to be attached to the head, but the larger ones required a mount system where the box was supported by a stand and the head was mounted to the box.

For venting, cut a tight-fitting hole and used a black film container (with vent slot cut in the side) pushed through from the inside. This "periscope" vented heat buildup and kept light from spilling. The Speedo heads I use have a large tube which protrudes into the box and bounces light in every direction so they work well. If the heads you use have built in reflectors, you'll have a harsher light and possibly more of a hotspot problem.

Many materials will work, just be careful about flammability.


Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000
From: kroppe@mich.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Home built wood tripod for USD$30

Jim,

Yes, good idea about the washers. I do have them at the pivots, but they are just large enough to be larger than the screw heads, which is very small. Plus I didn't do anyone any favors by making the photos on my web site a bit small for the sake of minimizing bandwidth in downloading.

The leg pivots don't get loaded in compression too much, so I don't worry about wearing the wood there. I do think sleeves in the head pivots would be good though, as the clamp load to lock the head can get quite high.

Regards,

B.J. Kroppe

Jim Post wrote:

> Hi B.J.:
>
> You think like I do: Save money and increase quality wherever possible
> by doing it yourself. I hope you post the final version of the tripod,
> I'll be most interested in seeing it and seeing what I can do with it.
> And I agree with your choice of maple. It's a beautiful wood and not
> too difficult to work with. One thing I wonder about it wear and tear
> at the joints of the moving parts. Have you thought about using screw
> sleeves to save the wood? And large washers between moving wooden
> parts? What do you think?
>
> jim


Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000
From: John Chapple jc@ch-w.demon.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: homemade softbox - diffusion, hotspot, color

>How about portability?
>Has anyone made their own standard/collapsible type softbox?
>sewn out of fabric with a removable wire/rod frame?

funnily enough I've done just that with a photograhic umbrella reversed (for some reason a dealer was selling a whole load of just those) I removed all the spikes except four (which when expanded, extended to the corners of the the softbox) The softbox window was made of several layers of netting & the sides of the box were made of the usual white/silver material. As the modelling light produces such an amount of heat & the unit was quite small, the flash unit itself 'sat' in a tunnel made of the white silver material. The unit is quite effective in use & doesn't seem to spill too much light out backwards.

--
John Chapple


From: "Patrick Bartek" bartek@access1.com
Organization: NoLife Polymath Group
Date: 25 Aug 99
Subject: Re: Reflective material for product photography

Regarding Re: Reflective material for product photography, zeitgeist wrote:

> black glass, paint the backside and clean the top surface
> and it will reflect the shape of the object, place a very
> large softbox above, or aim a soft spotlight at a white
> ceiling and move it around till you get the effect that
> works.  works in color or b&w

This method will give you a double reflected image: one lighter, ghost image from the top surface of the glass; and the primary from the back surface.

Use black Plex. More expensive, scratches easily, but only ONE reflection.

> NikonNurse wrote:
> >
> > I'm looking for a surface(I/e Plexiglas) that will reflect my subject(pic in
> > black and white)......not mirrors either...any suggestions???
> >
> > Thanks, Courtney

--
Patrick Bartek
NoLife Polymath Group
bartek@access1.com


[Ed. note: handy tip for portraiture of folks with glasses...]
Date: 28 Aug 1999
From: bagdovje@cobleskill.edu(John)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Reflections in glasses

hocsigno1@aol.com says...

>Sometimes just having people tilt their glasses works.  Just raise the
>earpieces off the tops of the ears so the top of the glasses is farther forward
>from the face than the bottom of the glasses.

This is a very simple solution that works, the reflextion is bounced away from the camera lens. I use it all the time.

John


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999
From: Mark Rabiner mrabiner@concentric.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] studio strobes for the duration

Richard Knoppow wrote:

> At 08:01 PM 12/20/1999 -0000, you wrote:
> >You make a very interesting point here, Mark, which makes real sense, now
> >that you have mentioned it. When I think how red filters over the lens
>Snip
> >> Brown stains
> >> just kidding.
> >> Mark Rabiner :)
> >>
> >
>   Low contrast used to be common when strobe lighting first came out. It
> was due to reciprocity failure because of the very short (1/10,000 or less) 
> duration of early strobe flashes.
>   Most modern studio strobes seem to have much longer duration, perhaps
> 1/500 sec., which shouldn't have this problem but its worth checking out.
>   The little shutter speed meter sold by Calumet will measure strobe
> duration up to about 1/10,000 sec. Since the duration of the flash will
> vary with intensity in many adjustable intensity strobes it can become very
> short in some, bringing back the reciprocity failure problem.
>   This is at least worth investigating where there seems to be no other
> explanation.
> ----
> Richard Knoppow
> Los Angeles,Ca.
> dickburk@ix.netcom.com

Balcars beside their colder Kelvin temperatures also (and they've been upgraded amazingly if you've got the bucks) have/had shockingly long flash durations. I think with the long tubes it's 1/300 of a second! So if you do a Halsman Jump you have to get them at the peak of the jump to freeze action! There are tricks such as using the shorter tubes and cranking down the variator which also makes them recycle faster as they are also shockingly slow to do.

Nowadays I guess they have come out with more than one flashtube in one head to shorten up the durations. It's as if the longer durations were a scandal. In my mind they were. Like not being able to see through a darn Hasselblad; opaque; and the top third of the image gone with a telephoto. Some things need to get remedied and then they are.

Why I've stuck with them I don't know I'm loyal to gear once I get them working and figure them out. Why have to figure out a whole new set of glitches?

Also Balcars draw 8 amps, they "ask" for power as it was explained to me.

Dyna-Lite       13-16 amps
Norman  15
Profoto 15
Speedotron      12-20
Calumet 13-16  

Yes I got the new Calumet Catalog! 8 amps draw will not blow fuses on locations and in my now Home/studio!

See! I'm not showing off!

Mark Rabiner


Date: 28 Oct 1999
From: cassidy@netaxs.com (Kyle Cassidy)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Monolights on a budget!

freestylesalesco.com has the cheapest monolights i've ever seen.

check out my studio lighting pages using a couple of $60 and $100 freestylesales monolights....

http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/cassidy/pix/studio/

kc


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei filter on tessars

Most studio flash units are available today with UV coated flash tubes, often as a higher priced option. I have the UV tubes in all my studio flash equipment since I don't want to have to fool with filters over the lens or on the flash.

Bob

>From: Richard Knoppow dickburk@ix.netcom.com
>To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rollei filter on tessars
>Date: Fri, Mar 24, 2000, 2:41 AM
>
>  They can also be effective with strobe,
> which has a lot of UV in it. A larger difference for strobe is made by
> placing UV filters over the lights themselves. This eliminates both
> unwanted response from the film and also color shifts in objects due to
> flourescence.


Newsgroups: aus.photo,rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.misc
From: "seth berk" snberk@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999
Subject: Re: Home Made Studio lights - Web Site... ?????????????/

William Hopkins wrote:

>This is what I did years ago. Get the clamp on sockets and reflectors at a
>hardware store or lumber yard (Home depot ect) Then get the outdoor Spot or 
>Flood light bulbs - GE Halogen 100 watt or bigger - the halogen is better
>light source not so yellow. and your in business.......Bill

William Hopkins wrote:

>This is what I did years ago. Get the clamp on sockets and reflectors at a
>hardware store or lumber yard (Home depot ect) Then get the outdoor Spot or
>Flood light bulbs - GE Halogen 100 watt or bigger - the halogen is better
>light source not so yellow. and your in business.......Bill
>Keith cherek@wantree.com.au wrote in message

Good advice... don't forget the extensions cords. Duct tape the lights to anything you can't clamp onto.

Then go to a fabric store and look for white nylon (does not have ripstop) or other thin-ish white fabric. Bang together a frame (start at about a metre by a metre for table top type stuff, a metre by 2 metre for people) and use as diffusers. You can put more than one light behind the diffusers if you need a strong light. use smaller bulbs if you need weaker lights. If you are handy you could wire in ordinary light dimmer switchs into the cords have the same degree of control over the lights as highend pro studio lights, and *more* control than manner mid tol low end pro light sets. You will get different effects if the light is closer to the diffuser vs further away, so experiment. Just don't set your diffusers on fire by getting too close. Note that since the diffusers are not enclosed you will get alot of light reflecting and spilling all over the place. Work in a room with dark walls and/or a room with the walls far back from the diffusers.

Note that these lights will add a considerable amount of red/orange light to the set. As you noted it doesn't matter if you use B/W film, and you can get gels from theatre/movie supply houses to colour correct if you use colour film, at least close enough to use colour print film. In Vancouver a large sheet (almost a metre square) is about $7 Cdn (if I recall correctly). They can help you pick the right the colour. Or you could take a slide of a test subject (lots of primary colours and neutral grey) and take the processed slide to the theatre/movie supply shop and look at the slide with the samples until it looks colour correct.

What kind of stuff are you planning on shooting?

Seth

>> Does anyone know of any web sites for making ones own Studio
>> Lights?... I am seriously to poor to buy some and only need
>> them for personal odd jobs etc...  nothing professional like
>> and I am only shooting monochrome Film anyway, so lighting
>> types is no problem!.
>>
>> Regarnds
>> --
>> Keith Billington
>> Cherek Civil Design Pty. Ltd.
>> cherek@wantree.com.au
>
>Keith cherek@wantree.com.au wrote
>> Does anyone know of any web sites for making ones own Studio
>> Lights?... I am seriously to poor to buy some and only need
>> them for personal odd jobs etc...  nothing professional like
>> and I am only shooting monochrome Film anyway, so lighting
>> types is no problem!.
>>
>> Regarnds
>> --
>> Keith Billington
>> Cherek Civil Design Pty. Ltd.
>> cherek@wantree.com.au


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

> Bob,
>     My specialty for the past 20 years has been doing still life photography
> daily for major US corporations for their national ad campaigns. I thought
> that you were a photo writer, I never knew that you were a still life
> photographer, my error.   However I still disagree with you on the hot light
> versus strobe issue for novice photographers starting to shoot still life.

Well, I suppose product photography, which I have done a LOT of, qualifies as still life. If I only did still life and product work I would still not use hot lights. Unless you use really expensive HMI you have color temperature variances to deal with. Gunther Blum mentioned in my earlier post only worked in black and white, never in color, so that was not a problem for him.

Photo writing is secondary for me. I am primarily a photographer. In any given year writing accounts for 1/3 to just under 1/2 of my income. The rest comes from photography, commercial jobs and stock sales.

>     For many amatuers who do not actually have a studio but are using some
> sort of compromised space, the option of darkening the room sufficiently is
> not possible.

Photek sells blackout cloth by the yard. It is vinyl with black flocking on one side and guaranteed to black out any window. You can put it up with gaffer's tape, Velcro, or a number of other ways. I used this on my previous studio's windows. It is not expensive and can be re-used many times. It's also great for turning any room in a house into a darkroom temporarily.

> Also for the working pro, who may have a half a dozen clients
> and art directors hanging around the studio, making calls, looking at
> polaroids, the question of having the studio really dark becomes problematic.

Agreed, and why I have the "night light" on. When conducting one of my workshops I may have 15-20 students, several models, a couple of assistants, etc. I have glowing yellow hazard tape used to block off areas where they aren't supposed to go. Works like a charm. Never had any problems at all.

>     As a learning tool, hotlights are preferred as they are,"what you see is
> what you get" whereas strobe, and I use strobe 5-6 days a week for over
> twenty years,  is not quite as easy to visualize. When I taught at School of
> Visual Arts, we started out with tungsten and then moved to strobe once the
> basic lighting principles were understood by the students.

To each his own. The only time I use hot lights these days is when shooting video. I never cared for them. I like to be cool and comfortable when I work and don't like outlandishly high air conditioning bills.

>     You wrote "Using hot lights on people is sadistic in my opinion!  Get
> enough light to stop motion and you will give your models nice tans!!"  I
> think you misunderstood, the topic was still life, not shooting people,
> although I pointed out that Arnold Newman, at least when I worked for him,
> used hotlights on people, and I think his portrait work is pretty well
> reknowned.

I was talking in my original post in very general terms and not about any one specific type of photography. If you only want to shoot still life and can live with the heat, then hot lights are fine. I use, prefer, and recommend electronic flash. Different strokes for different folks.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999
From: "Thomas A. Frank" tfrank9@idt.net
Subject: Blacking out rooms (was Re: [Rollei] Lighting)

>Photek sells blackout cloth by the yard.  It is vinyl with black flocking on
>one side and guaranteed to black out any window.  You can put it up with
>gaffer's tape, Velcro, or a number of other ways.  I used this on my
>previous studio's windows.  It is not expensive and can be re-used many times.
>It's also great for turning any room in a house into a darkroom temporarily. 

An even cheaper alternative - aluminum foil over the windows works perfectly if all you seek is darkness. It's my solution for a temporary darkroom.

If you need it to be non-reflective on the inside as well, a black plastic trash bag works OK as a covering...although I've also used felt.

Sorry for the lack of Rollei content...

Tom Frank


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999
From: NYCFoto@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

Bob shell writes:

WYSIWYG with tungsten takes learning, too. I'm just testing an early batch of Fuji's new 64 speed transparency film for tungsten, and whether you get accurate color depends on having your tungsten lights produce just the right color temperature. Tungsten lamps, unfortunately, change their color temperature as they age, so for critical color accuracy you may have to use CC filters. I prefer not to hassle with that myself, so I use daylight balance film with flash units of known color balance.

I test my daylight emulsions as well, and most of the time use cc correction. Flash tubes also age and change color, getting progressively warmer. Softboxes,diffusers and reflectors also yellow with age. Also even the best color labs will drift a little when it comes to color (we're talking chromes here) so film you shot on monday and process on monday, might very well change when you process film from the same shoot on wednesday. it all depoends on the standards that you apply to your work, for some photographers a 025 cc drift is unexceptable, for others an 05 drift is fine. ( I'm more on the compulsive side, I also do 1/8 stop push/pull)

All of my flash heads have had their color temps taken with a color temp meter, and I label the color temp of each flash tube on the side of that head. But even then, I take color temp readings on the set every time I add/subtract a light. So a professional photographer having to be diligent about color balance is nothing new or unexpected.

My students vary from studio pros to people who bought their camera the day before. I find that they all can understand basic lighting concepts if expressed clearly. This stuff is not rocket science, as the saying goes.

It may not be rocket science but there are sure alot of "photographers" out there who couldn't light to save their lives. Let's see how they'd light a polished silver ball on a matte black surface and get detail in both. The problem with the photo equipment manufacturing end of the business is that they tend to perpetuate the belief that it is merely having the right equipment (theirs) that enables a skilled pro photographer to create great images, and not the fact that the photographer really learned and mastered their craft.

Most established advertising photographers that I know that do still life will have a mix of both strobe and tungsten. In the same picture??? Bob

No i meant in the studio, they may choose to shoot a certain job tungsten and another job strobe. I have on occasion mixed strobe and tungsten lights in the same still life. Sometimes I may need to place a very precisely shaped light beam into a very tight location, like maybe illuminate a dark LCD read out on a very glossy panel and not let the light spill onto the panel. In that case I'll use a Dedo light, with a lens and mask, to illuminate the exact shape of the readout window. I'll CC the Dedo to match daylight.

Most types of tungsten lamps used in photography can also explode if water droplets land on them, so you must exercise care when any water at all is on the set, even a spritzer to put droplets on leaves and such. I recommend for those who want to use hot lights that they use only the types of lamps which have an outer protective envelope around the actual tungsten halogen lamp. These are much safer since they don't easily explode, and you can install them with your hands. Regular tungsten halogen lamps must not be installed with any contact between fingers and lamp, because skin oils left on the surface can cause the lamp to explode.

Most photographers who shoot liquids do not use tungsten lights for them. They almost always use strobe especially if the photos require sweat on a glass, or spray, or pours ( although most pours now are acrylic models) then you can't rely on tungsten to freeze the motion, so the danger of water and tungsten is a moot point. The funny thing is that the lights most prized for the ability to freeze motion, like in water splashes, are the dangerous Ascor's and their 1/4300 sec flash duration.

In regards to contaminating tungsten bulbs with your finger oils and having them explode, strobe modelling lights have the same down side.

Brian


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999
From: Denton Taylor denton@asan.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

To bring the experience of someone who is mostly an amateur but who has done a lot of catalog work for my own business and others, as well as 'pro' stuff for friends, I would like to add my own experience. As one who started with two el cheapo tungsten lights, and then 'graduated' to a pair of Sunpack MS4000 monolites, which, with reflectors and umbrellas, is a lot less than what has been mentioned previously. Here's something that just happened to me.

A starving artist friend of mine wanted me to photograph his artwork (slides) on the barter system. So, I knew the 'right' way to do it, which is tungsten lighting, 45deg from art, camera perfectly leveled, etc etc. I actually bought a whole set of SV lights and stands just so I could do the job 'right'. (as you can tell, doesn't take much to make me buy new gear!)

The first attempt (with tungsten) came out terrible. Something was definitely wrong with the color balance. So, red-faced, I could either run out and buy or rent a color meter, and play with gels etc., or go back to 'what I know'. Redid the job with my Sunpacks, two Photoflex umbrellas, and E100s. Perfect!

I guess the moral is if you use what you know you can generally do the job.

Regards,
Denton Taylor Photogallery at www.dentontaylor.com.



From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999
From: Tim Ellestad ellestad@mailbag.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

....

I've used HMI's for 17 years - that is, when they were the right light for the job. They have the same terrific beam characteristics as good fresnels - they cut and barndoor beautifully, the snoots make good, small circles, even the smallest "pencil" snoots - they flood and spot smoothly and evenly - and they use the same "wires" or graduated scrims as tungsten fresnels for precise and quick control of light level. The PAR types show the same parallels with their tungsten counterparts.

HMI's provide a fantastic bang for your buck in continuous light output for the amount of current drawn. Where quartz lamps provide about 27 lumens per watt, HMI's deliver about 90 lumens per watt of real daylight. They make good daylight exterior lighting. But where HMI's really pay off (and they are much more expensive than tungsten lighting or strobes) is in large interiors where there is a problematic amount of daylight that can't be physically or economically eliminated, and continuous light or fresnel light is desirable. Filtering tungsten light up to daylight is horribly power inefficient.

Too, HMI's are cooler than their tungsten counterparts - when they first became used in Germany for television production, the gaffers called them the "politician's light" because nobody sweated under them.

HMI's have some real shortcomings, though. The ballasts are heavy beyond your wildest dreams - you won't be transporting them on a truck without a lift. They are very expensive - the lamps, although long-lived (maybe 400 to 600 hours), are real pricey with a 1200 watt bulb in the $200 vicinity, as I recall. One hates to see that a lamp met an early demise due to a jolting chuck-hole in transit. When they first came out, prices were so high that the rental houses charged a high day-rate in addition to billing the usage time taken off an hour meter on the lamphead. These lights are pulsed arcs (cycling 60 times a second) and are subject to misbehaving (when they flicker, they go completely off and on, there is no tapering, decaying, glow, what-wo-ever) if there happens to be some junk in the power service being used - electrical noise, power surges, etc.

And, they are not quite as color-pure as they seem at first. Yes they are rated daylight and have a CRI of 92 or so, but they are not black body sources and some colors may not hold up perfectly. I have used practically every brand of HMI lighting over the years because we get them generally as part of the lighting package on the lighting truck that we hire. I am finding an increasing consistency on the part of gaffers to now want to use the HMI's only when they provide a true production advantage rather than just use them for everything (this has nothing to do with cost as the gaffer will ala carte his rates on these lights anyway). HMI's always seemed a little cold to me and more and more I am seeing the gaffers filter all the HMI's with eighth or quarter CTO (warming) gels as a matter of course.

I think that HMI's offer great advantages in certain applications, but I also think that I would never consider them the universal approach to lighting.

Tim Ellestad
ellestad@mailbag.com


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

> Denton Taylor wrote:
>>
> Are you big time new York guys saying that down home White Lightning doesn't cut
> it with the art directors. I thought it was clear and pure!
> Mark Rabiner

Some pretty big name photographers use White Lightning and more are switching to it all the time. The problem was that Paul Buff only wanted to sell direct to consumers, so his competitors were bad mouthing his stuff and so were dealers. Too many photographers believed the nonsense, things like they would not hold up to heavy use. I've used them for years in conducting lighting workshops in which they are fired rapidly all day with only a cool down during lunch break. I never had one fail or shut down from overheating, which is what the competitors claimed would happen.

The fact is that the stuff is damned well made and has excellent light quality.

I use the Ultra CompuScene system which allows me to plug up to eight units into the control box and adjust each one individually in 1/10 stop increments. It also will memorize up to 99 setups. With this, diagrams, and tape marks on the floor you can exactly duplicate a bunch of setups. If you like you can connect the Ultra CompuScene to a computer and use MIDI software to control everything!! Paul has just come out with a completely wireless version using radio control of everything! Rather than being primitive, this stuff is among the most advanced on the market today.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

> Actually, I am interested since I don't know a think about good lighting (or
> illumination).  In this vein, I do have a question.  As an amateur looking to
> get some proper lighting equipment, what should I consider purchasing? A  used
> light system will probably do fine, and probably be better $ for $ than a
> cheap new system (yes, no?).  Without major investment for a pair of used
> lights (strobe w/modeling light, or?) what would be recommended?  Obligatory
> Rollei content:  I will use such lights with my Rollei 6006 II.

Be careful buying used flash systems. Some are professional castoffs and have been run close to the point where the flash tubes burn out. New flash tubes for some brands can be expensive, and new tubes for older systems can be hard to find. Watch out for orphan equipment.

About eight years ago I bought a 2400 Ws Venca system, power pack and three heads. A couple of years after I bought it, Norman bought Venca. They said they were planning to return them to production, but never did. The system worked very well and got a lot of use in my workshops and studio shoots. One of the flash tubes died, and I had a really hard time tracking down someone who had a replacement, and had to pay over $ 250 for it!!!! That's almost a quarter of what I paid for the whole system brand new!

I think that most photographers now are using monoblock type lights rather than the power pack and heads systems. I've used both and prefer the monoblock idea myself. If you buy an extra head and keep it in reserve you are not dead in the water if one unit fails. If you are using power pack and heads everything is down if you have a power pack problem.

There are pro and con arguments on both systems, though, so you need to decide just what you need.

When buying flash don't fall victim to buying power for the sake of power if you don't need it. If you have a really powerful head you may find that it is too bright for many subjects even when turned all the way down. You don't want to be forced to use really small f-stops and have your photos degraded by diffraction. Also, you may want to shoot close to wide open to blur a background, and if your light is too bright you can't do that other than with neutral density filters. That's a hassle you don't need.

So buy the light that's right for the sort of work you do.

Also, don't be fooled into thinking that model numbers have anything to do with actual Watt-second ratings of the units. Most don't.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

.....

Tim,

If you are shooting static subjects, that's what multiple pop shooting is for. When I want to stop down beyond what my lights allow I always go to multiple pop. I have a little timer gadget made by Multiblitz which lets you set the number of pops you want and the time delay between them. Open the shutter, press the button, sit down and take a nap or whatever and it lets out a shrill beep when it is finished.

But for most photographers overbuying light is more of a problem than under buying. They find out that they have too much light even with things turned all the way down. That's why Paul Buff put that half power switch on the new X-Series flash heads. A lot more people were asking for that than were asking for more power.

We're talking average joe photographer with medium sized camera room in his studio. We're not talking NYC pro who brings the Empire State Building into his mammoth studio and wants to shoot it af f/64.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999
From: Tim Ellestad ellestad@mailbag.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

Bob -

Multi-pops are a good point. For anything stationary this technique generally solves the power problems although I have had some color shifting in the past when the pops got to be too many. Multi-popping is a nice configurable feature of the Compuscene, also, where the controller will take care of the multiple flashes for you, rotating the firing through the various lights in the set-up.

Recently, however, I had some shots in the studio where we did 4x5 transparencies of some good sized machines complete with the obligatory attractive model. Multi-pops don't work here.

Your point is well taken, however, and if you're not in position to outfit yourself with complete dedicated lighting compliments for all specialties, high-powered monolights (my White Lightnings in particular) are certainly very flexible and work well in most applications.

Tim Ellestad


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

.....

> Your point is well taken, however, and if you're not in position to outfit
> yourself with complete dedicated lighting compliments for all specialties,
> high-powered monolights (my White Lightnings in particular) are certainly
> very flexible and work well in most applications.
>
> Tim Ellestad
> ellestad@mailbag.com

I've been discussing this thread with Jay Abend who is a top level big city pro who writes for me at Shutterbug. He agrees with my assessment that the power pack with heads is almost exclusively a big city thing these days. In his travels around the country he sees monoblock type lights used everywhere else. And more and more photographers are using them for location work regardless of what they use in their studios.

Machines with models, yeah. I've done a bit of this myself, usually on location in factories because the machine in question was too big to be easily moved to my studio. I always just took along extra monoblocks, frequently shooting several of them through a big diffusion screen to produce the effect of a giant softbox.

Color Shifts: with multiple pop shooting, as with anything else, you need to do tests to see how the film you plan to use reacts to this. I've found no particular color shifts with most of Fuji's transparency film up to around 48 pops. Be aware though that when you get into high numbers of pops you will not build up exposure as much as you would think, so if your meter says you need 16 pops you may really need 28. Again you need to do tests so you know how your film reacts.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: [Gels and things that go boom)

....

> To gel a soft box just gel the tube not the whole box, turn off the model
> light to avoid burning gel after setting up.

If you mount the gel as I described earlier, there is no need to turn off the modeling light. I use this a lot and have never burned up a gel. I use the Lee brand which seem to be made of acetate.

> The large boom that comes from strobe equipment is when a capacitor blows
> up. It shonds like a shot gun blast and can blow right thru the box. But
> don't let that stop you-- Seriously in 20 years and thousands of rolls of
> film it has only happend to me once and this is shooting three days   week
> with 3 or 4 packs at a time. After you turn the unit off always discharge
> the pack and never plug in heads with the unit turned on.

True for most flash systems, but one of the nice things about the Profoto power pack and head systems is that you can connect and disconnect head cables from the power pack while the power pack is turned on. Possibly some other manufacturers have updated to this system. I just recently spent a couple of days in my studio with a big assortment of loaned Profoto equipment, and I love the logic of the design.

> Attaching gels-wooden clothes pins- no more baked on tape or burnt  fingers-
> also great for pulling screens from hot light.

A studio without bags of clothes pins is not a real studio! I use them for all sorts of things. I also have a selection of spring clamps from the hardware store which work great and cost a fraction of what the special "photo" clamps cost. And don't forget to keep plenty of safety pins on hand, too.

Bob


Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000
From: JW jdwalton@home.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Advice on inexpensive flash meter please

There was a DIY flashmeter in "Nuts and Volts" about three issues back. Basically, it's a trigger, photodetector, log converter and display.

I use my Minolta spotmeter - it's very handy in itself and OK as a flashmeter.

Robert Light wrote:

> Thanks to all who guided me to a White Lightning monolight.  I've been
> using WL's recommendations about exposure using the camera's meter.
> This worked very well with color print film, but since I shoot 99%
> black & white rollfilm (usually TMAX 100 & Delta 100), I get poor
> results due to the lack of film latitude.  Yes, it's time to bite the
> bullet and buy a flash meter.    :(
> My budget is $100 or less (yes, I'm the one with the wife that does
> not "appreciate" money spent on photo equipment.)
> Porters has a Cosmos Flashmeter 2 for $99.95 that looks promising.
> They also have a JTL FM-1 for $79.95 (pre-set for EI 100 film, but has
> a "conversion table" on the back to convert to other speeds - not a
> good selling point for me.)   Any others out there?
> Also, do I need a unit to meter both incident AND reflected readings,
> or is one preferred over the other?
> I'm using a WL5000 with an umbrella and white card at about 5 feet for
> simple portraits shot with a Pentax 645N and a Pentax ZX-5.
> You folks out there in the trenches with the experience really help us
> rookies out more than you will ever know saving us time, money and
> aggravation.  Thanks for your help.  Hopefully we can help you with
> something some day!
> RLight


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

> I can give you guidance. Check out the Paul Buff White Lightnings Ultra. They
> are made in Nashville.
> Reliable well designed and the best Watt second lumens per buck. Works with my
> Balcar accesories. Many pros I know use them. Quick Cheap service. Friendly on
> the phone.
> Mark Rabiner

As some already know, I am friends with Paul Buff and helped him when he had only one prototype Ultra unit which he carried around to camera trade shows. He is not a photographer, but his first wife was and was always griping about the shoddy quality of flash equipment available at the time. Paul being a trained electronics engineer took some stuff apart and was astonished that they were still using 1940s technology. He designed his units from the ground up, with no preconceived notions and a LOT of input from photographers. He uses the best components available, builds everything in a small factory in Nashville, and offers the best warranty service in the country. He can afford to because the failure rate is so low. I'm still using some first generation Ultras and the only time they have gone back is when I knock over a light stand and break one or when I had early versions upgraded to newer ones.

Lately I've been testing the new Ultra Zap and X-Series and think they will be worthy successors to the original Ultra series. In my opinion they are the best flash units made in the USA. Since Paul sells only direct and via one dealer, his stuff doesn't have the markup that other brands have.

Other good stuff is the Multiblitz system, Visatec made by Bron, and Hensel, but this stuff is a bit pricier since it comes from Germany and Switzerland and does carry dealer markup on the final price. You can save on all three, though, buy buying kits which include two or three flash heads, umbrellas, soft boxs, reflectors, stands, etc.

Bob


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Lighting

Jack,

I hope Marc won't mind a sort of commercial plug here. The November issue of Shutterbug is our annual Lighting issue. Subscribers will begin getting it next week and it will be on news stands a couple of weeks after that. We've reviewed a number of different systems this year.

If you can't wait that long, I'll be happy to make some suggestions if you give me a ballpark of how much you want to spend.

Bob


FRom Hasselblad Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999
From: Peter Klosky Peter.Klosky@trw.com
To: hasselblad@kelvin.net
Subject: Re: Light meters

My take on the metering situation is that the model of meter you have is a good one, and a fine tool. I suspect, as others have said, that either the meter is off or there is a problem with how the meter is being held. Have you checked your meter battery?

Like yourself, I shoot backlit subjects often, and also at the beach. On my desk here, I have two photos. One of my two year old son backlit with heavy sun. The other of my three year old daughter on the beach on a cloudy day.

For the backlit subject, an important point is that the direct light not hit the meter, and that only the shadow side be metered. If you decide to go with a spot meter, you will need a gray card unless you are good at estimating subject reflectivity. This could end up being more of a problem than getting your existing meter to perform properly. Another idea is to use the palm of your hand as a substitute for the gray card, learning its reflectivity.

As others have ponted out, you should try setting the meter to some ASA, say 125, and the shutter speed to match at 1/125th. Point at a cloudless sky and expect about f16. Test against any other meters you may own or find at the corner camera store.

Another factor that may be influencing your result is flare. If significant light is hitting your lens, you will get weird results. For example, if you are using umbrellas that allow light to be both reflected and pass through, then back up behind them for a large group, you may get a flare spot from the umbrella. This, and many other scenarios, are good reasons to use a good hood/shade at all times.

I'm not sure what film you are using, and how it is being processed, but many commercial labs have notoriously variable chemical strength. You might want to check the development of the edge numbers to see if the developer is strong enough. I recently shot a job where the film was underdeveloped, causing a loss in background detail and not helping the effort to put the job over.

Lastly, it is a good idea to estimate the exposure using rules in addition to using the meter. For example, a backlit subject often has two stops less illumination than one lighted directly. Consider using your own knowledge and gut feel, as well as tables from photography books and rolls of film as a backup/sanity check for your exposures.

Peter


Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
From: Peter Madeley peter.m@zetnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Budget diffuser for on-camera flash?

I would thought the priority for you would be to get the camera off-camera before you think about diffusing the light. Even 'diffuse' on camara light is rather unappealing. If you want really diffuse light from a gun, either bounce it or make a softbox from a cardboard box with tracing paper to replace the lid. The box should be lined with silver foil to bounce the light around inside and the flashgun pushes in a hole in the bottom. You increase the size of the light source which gives diffuse light and so soft shadows. You will typically lose 2 stops of light and make yourself look a right prat, but who cares if it works. There are commercial available tape on softboxes but I find they are not big enough to make too much difference for portraiture, although they are brilliant for macro work.

If you want to look more professional, try boucing your flash off a piece of white card/plastic taped to the back of your flashgun. You'll need a head which tilts 45 degrees to do this. The effect is even better if you get the flash off camera to one side and above the lens. I can't understand the physics of light when people say that a diffuser 'softens' the light from a flashgun, spreads it yes and reduces it yes, but the only way to get diffuse shadows is to have light coming from a wide area and only a large or multiple light source placed close to the can achieve that. If you can get hold of a copy of Light Science and Magic, there are some excellent discussions although the images don't tie up with the text references apparantly. Chapter 3 deals with diffuse and specular light.

I base this knowlege on actual tests done with on-camera flash, off-camera flash, bounce cards and softboxes that I did for a photography qualification. I resented the tutor asking me to take a test film in this way, but I learned more in an afternoon shooting 24 frames, than weeks of reading. Working with continous lighting is another way to learn the physics of light quality. Hope this helps your thinking.

--
Regards and phrantic fotography 2U
Peter (DPS Design & Photography Services)


Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999
From: zeitgeist greenky.wa@mindspring.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Building lights and stuff.

A lot of the things you need can be fabricated. It would be a help if we knew what kind of photography/subject matter, commercial, portraits. In rec.photo.tech people I have made numerous posts about making a northlight or artificial windowlight systems.

You could do a deja.com search. I hung a curtain from the ceiling that is 12 feet long so it starts near camera position and goes close to the background. I have four strobe heads bounced behind it (though I really only need two, my powerpack is half dead so I'm trying to get all the power I can) You can get large sheets of white styrofoam and silvered insulation pannels (OK they have some large red printing on it,but a little warmth isn't bad) to use for a smaller floor to ceiling softbox.

You can use a group of clip on metal reflector flood lights with 60 or 75 watt bulbs gathered in a bank and have plenty of light. regular household bulbs maybe a little warmer, but hey, warmth is good, that's why most photog's put warming filters on though it doesn't fool the lab. You won't even need to rewire the garage. You will have to use incandescent balanced film, but you can get that through ebay cheap enough (NPL, you can get short or out of date stuff cheap)

Umbrellas are cheap enough that you don't have to resort to painting one, which would probably end up being unsatisfactory anyway.

For light stands, look for something called timber toppers, metal squares with a strong spring inside, place it on top of a 2x3 and it holds the pole snug against the ceiling, and drill some holes in appropriate places to push a longish 1/4-20 screw bolts though.

DoC-C wrote:

> Hi it's me again, yes the Newbie dude.
> Now I got my camera, I've put together a studio, now I need lighting.
> I can't afford real lights, so I have to build them myself.
> So I was wondering if anyone have done this before and have some tips to
> offer?
> I know a bit about electronics and mechanics and my big brother is an
> electrician so he can help me.
> I just need to know how strong should they be, what type of light bulbs do I
> use. Can I take old umbrellas and spray paint them with silver paint to make
> umbrella lights? What materials work well for reflectors, fill cards etc.
>
> Espen


Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999
From: Frank Calidonna frank.calidonna@worldnet.att.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: Studio photography

Ken Graham wrote:

> I've been doing a little research into studio photography. I want
> to play around with smaller items such as flowers in a vase and
> things like that. I was thinking of starting out with two lights and two
> stands. I have a light meter and a umbrella for a flash. (Don't ask why
> I have an umbrella and no light stand to mount it on). Any recommendations
> on a 'starter kit' for such a project. I've looked in the B&H catalog, but
> I don't know what I need. I don't want to go overboard. Any help would be
> greatly appreciated.

If you really are new to studio work and really want to learn about lighting I would suggest purchasing two hot lights. Smith-Victor makes some relatively inexpensive quartz light kits. (don't go with regular floods). B&H; sells them, but you might want to get a couple of brochures from Smith-Victor first.

I think hot lights are the best way to learn still life lighting. Hot lights allow you to see exactely what you are going to get on your film, they are easy to work with and allow excellent control. Flash is more difficult to control and even units with built in modeling lights don't really show you the end result as well. To go from hot lights to flash is much easier than trying to learn from the start with flash. It will probably cost as much as flash, but I think you will find them more rewarding to work with. As you gain expertise you can always add flash to your equipment later.

If you work with B&W; you can use whatever film you already know. Color requires a tungsten film but they are available from both Kodak and Fuji.

Small object still life work is so interesting and you really will learn lighting. You also can start hitting garage sales for the hundred knick knacks, fabric swatches, table settings, glassware, old windows, small props, and the zillion other items that make this a fascinating photographic exercise. You are the photographer, art director, carpenter, set designer and builder, stylist, and lighting wizard all rolled up into one. It is a fun way to spend time with your camera. Enjoy.

Frank Rome, NY


Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999
From: John Adler jadler@leefiltersusa.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Flash Filter??/

Dear Quigg,

For filtering flash, what you need is lighting gel. You can get many of the same filters as camera filters, but the terminology is different. For example, an 85B is called a Color Temperature Orange (CTO) in lighting filter.

Lighting filter comes in sheets or rolls-- a 21x24" sheet costs around $6. It isn't optically pure, so it's inadvisable to use it in front of your lens.

If you send me your address, I'll mail you a swatchbook of lighting gel samples, and the name of a dealer near you.

Sincerely,

John Adler
LEE Filters USA
(800)576-5055

.....



Date: 3 Jan 1999
From: rabaste@aol.com (RABASTE)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: d.o.f. mathmatics

Hi there!

Just some useless information...

Shutter speed does matter with strobe lighting but not in the example of the post. Most people refer to textbooks when quoting flash speed but real life teaches you that not all strobes allow you to shoot faster than the 250th and freeze motion is not always attained. Some big powerpacks have speeds that go as low as 1/125th and you are safer shooting at 1/60th if you want all the light produced by the flash. Actually I have a couple Broncolor Pulso4 (3200J)that will produce no image at 1/500th with a Hasselblad! On the other hand, Balcars (1200ws and 2400ws) show no difference and neither do Normans. Speedotron are half-way in between (about 1/2 stop drop at 1/250th on a 4800ws, about one full stop at 1/500th). These examples came from tests done at my studio using full power and a single light-head on all packs mentionned.

Bye!

Michel

San Francisco

>Shutter speed is immaterial to strobe lighting, as the strobe flash itself is
>around 1/1000th of a second long.  The only time the shutter speed matters is
>if
>you are blending strobe and ambient light  (or, if the shutter speed is too
>short for X sync, then your pictures will be partially occuluded).


From Bronica Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999
From: Henry Posner/B&H; Photo-Video henryp@bhphotovideo.com
To: bronica@iList.net
Subject: [BRONICA] Re: "Tran, Karen"

you wrote:

>Does anyone know where to get an inexpensive portable background?  Black
>preferably, maybe white on the other side?   I'd love some websites to look
>at if anyone knows of any good ones.

Photek's Background-in-a-bag isn't too pricey. See http://www.photekusa.com/binabag.htm for backgrounds and see http://www.photekusa.com/system.htm for a support system. Other options include Savage seamless; see http://www.savageunvsl.com/

regards,

Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com


Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999
From: dSavage Photo dsavage@dsavage.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo,rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: STUDIO RENTAL PRICES ????

>    Hello all,
>
>    I have a small studio in North Carolina that I have been asked to
> rent out.  I have considered it before, but never have.  I'm trying to
> figure out what I should charge for such a space. If you can help I'd
> appreciate an E-MAIL.

Hi Rob,

I don't think there is a 'single right price'; but here are a few prices I have paid to rent studios:

In Rockville Md, two bay setup similar to yours $20/$25 per hour

In Pikesville Md, little smaller and fewer back drops - $10 per hour

In Oakland Ca, larger than yours and mores options - $20 per hour

In San Francisco, similar to yours - $25 per hour.

I am seriously considering opening a rental studio here in Raleigh and am looking at $25 hour - again similar to your. Hope this helps.....

-donnie
--
http://www.dsavage.net * dSavage Photography


Date: 12 Sep 1999
From: josh@spies.com (Josh Carter)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.technique.misc
Subject: article on external flash & some techniques

Hi all,

In recent years I've benefitted much from these forums and many web pages and books about photography, and now I'm working to return the favor. In the first of what I intend to be a series on various aspects of photography for the beginning to intermediate amateur, especially digital camera users, I wrote an article on external flash units and flash technique:

http://multipart-mixed.com/photo/external_flash.html

This covers: why you should consider an external flash even if your camera has a built-in one; bounce flash technique; variations on the basic bounce flash; color temperatures with flash; and flash mounting and brackets. Example photos are provided, of course, to demonstrate the topics discussed. A Nikon Coolpix 950 and SB-28 flash are used for all the examples.

While many of these topics are covered in various sources, some are reasonably esoteric and only hinted at by general photography books. My own learning experience with flash techniques contained much trail-and-error despite reading many books, so this seemed a good place to start for my articles. Comments and criticism from the community would be very welcome, and will help shape the direction of future work.

Best regards,
Josh


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Ballhead recommendations

George,

One of my quests in life has been for the perfect tripod head. I've tried out just about all of the ones commonly available, and some which are not so common.

I have several favorites, depending on what I am going to be putting on the head. For 35mm and some MF, I'm using the pro ball head from Slik. This is remarkably inexpensive (around $ 60 I think) and has very smooth movement. I like Slik's latest quick release which uses a round plate on the camera (or lens) which just pushes into the plate on top of the ball head. Once it is pushed in it locks in place and can't fall off, but is free to rotate, which makes fine tuning your camera possible with the ball head locked. A lever on the top plate locks it so it can't rotate. Exceptionally practical design.

When I am working with heavier MF and LF equipment, I have a Schoon Studioball from Bromwell Marketing which is my preference among all of the large ball heads. Smoother than Arca, and when I bought it cheaper. I don't know current price since I've had it for about ten years and it is just as smooth today as when I bought it.

Other good heads I have and use now and then include the Amrus Shpigel head from NPC, which is the strangest design, sort of a ball cut up into segments; the Cullmann Titan ball head, another really good medium-heavy duty ball head; the pro head from Hama (not a ball, but as smooth as one); and a lightweight ball made by Zorkendorfer that I use with a monopod for 35mm only.

My favorite tripod for studio use is the Cullmann Titan with pneumatic central column. For outdoor use I favor the Gitzo Mountaineer, but I do not like the Gitzo ball heads. This coming week I'm supposed to be getting testing samples of the new Mamiya carbon fiber tripods and magnesium alloy heads. I saw them at photokina last year and thought they were really nice and they are going to be less expensive than the Gitzo carbon fiber stuff. Mamiya is one of the world's largest makers of carbon fiber golf club shafts and fishing rods, so it only stands to reason that they would branch out into tripods.

Bob

.....

> Folks,
>
> Hi -- I'm interested in hearing what your recommendations might be for
> tripod heads.  I know this is a _highly_ personal topic, but your input
> would be appreciated.
>
> I currently have one Arca Swiss B-1, with which I am pleased.   I've had a
> Foba go South on me in the past (movement became gritty, and I managed to
> torque the handle in the trunk of my car).
>
> Ideally, I would like something on the order of the Arca, in terms of
> overall quality of construction and smoothness, but which is a touch less
> expensive.
>
> This head will primarily be devoted to my Rollei system and secondarily to
> 35mm.  I'll use it in the "field" as much as, if not more so, than in
> studio settings.
>
> Or, since my primary use will be with a 6x6 anyway, should I just go
> pan/tilt, much as I like the simplicity of a ballhead?
>
> Thanks...
>
> George


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999
From: Ferdi Stutterheim ferdi@stutterheim.nl
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Ballhead recommendations

....

George,

In my view it comes down to this. If you want the quality of the Arca, you will have to pay their price. You may want to take a look at http://photo.net/photo. Lots of ball head information.

Ferdi


[Ed. note: Mr. Shell is a noted photographer (glamour..), editor of shutterbug, and photography instructor...]
From Contax Mailing List;
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000
From: "Bob Shell" bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] OT - news

Too much to put in a post here, that's what is involved in setting up a studio. But some main points. You need a high ceiling. In fact, I don't think a ceiling can be too high for a studio. My present studio has 15 foot ceilings, and that is high enough so far. The other thing is reach. You need space. Suppose you want to shoot a full length standing shot of a tall model with the 100 mm Planar. You don't want to be squeezed up against a wall while your model squeezes up against the other. To get good perspective, you need to be far enough away from your model. Don't think, "well, I'll just go in closer and use a wider lens." That doesn't work because you get distortions with the parts of the model's body closest to the lens looking WAY too big, and the parts most distant looking tiny. So you need enough room to get a full length figure shot with a medium long lens. Before I got my current studio five years ago I had my studio in the back room of our house for a while. The room was an add-on to the house and has "cathedral ceilings", so that was not a problem, but it only measures about 20 X 20. By the time the model was a reasonable distance from the backdrop I could not get her all in with a 100 or longer lens. So I set things up so the backdrop was opposite the door to the room and I would stand in the next room (our kitchen) and shoot. Limiting, but it worked.

Ideally you want control of all light, so many photographers paint their studio walls, floor and ceiling flat black. I know it is more efficient and the studio I had 10 years ago had been done that way by the photographer I had bought it from. I found it rather gloomy to work in, so my current studio is painted all white, walls, ceiling, and floor. Maybe I don't have as much control of reflected light, but it is a cheerful working environment for me and the models.

That's a beginning, anyway, so ask questions if you like. Hmmmm. Maybe I could turn this into a book.....

Bob


[Ed. note: homebrew tripod carrying strap..]
From Minolta Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000
From: Tim Munro timmunro@bigpond.com
To: minolta-l@listserver.isc.rit.edu
Subject: Re: Tripod & head issue

----- Original Message -----

From: Simon.Young@astrazeneca.com
Sent: Monday, 17 April 2000
Subject: RE: Tripod & head issue

"The only annoying thing is that I should have bought the tripod with a strap; the setup is a bit awkward when carried."

You are right about this Simon, but the Manfrotto supplied strap is expensive for what it is. The bolt hole just under the head for the strap mount is a fairly common thread. I just matched up an allen head bolt from my garage collection, attached it through two stainless chain links, and attached an old shoulder strap from some bag or other I had lying around. The bottom of the strap I just looped around the bottom of the legs between the leg locks. This worked well walking through the bush last week. Which reminds me, I bought the harness back strap for my Domke bag on the recommendation of someone on this list which I also used for the first time last week - what a great accessory. Thanks for the tip. Tim


From Contax Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000
From: "Bob Shell" bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] lighting help

Use a light tent. You can make one easily with a white bed sheet and some sort of support. Most people use plastic plumbing pipe to make a frame. That's how many pros photograph reflective stuff.

Bob

- ----------

>From: Alexander mediadyne@hol.gr
>Subject: [CONTAX] lighting help
>Date: Mon, May 8, 2000, 1:25 AM
>
> I am a little stuck here.
> I want to take a photo of a great blue bottle the kind you use for
> decoration).
> It's colors are amazing.
>  From where should I light it to avoid that annoying hot spot??
>
> I have reflectors from every side, but the light spot still shows...! 


From Contax Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000
From: "Bob Shell" bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Leica R8

Why use the PC socket? I use infrared triggers in the hot shoe or a camera mounted flash set at low power to trigger my studio flash. PC cords are a relic from bygone days. I don't think the Contax PC sockets are any worse than any others for durability, but the PC connector is a bad design from the beginning.

Bob

.....


rec.photo.misc
From: josh@WOLFENET.COM (Joshua_Putnam)
[1] Re: Painting Backdrops
Date: Fri May 26 2000

Larry aperture@olypen.com writes:

>I'd appreciate any guidance regarding the painting of
>muslin.  Want to have a blue mottled effect.  It is very
>important that the material does not become stiff or crack
>with frequent storing in stuff bags.  Can you suggest media
>to use, other than that offered by the backdrop companies
>with is quite expensive.  Thanks!

Start with plain white muslin and dab on Rit dye from the grocery store, using a big sponge. The sponge avoids sharp edges like you'd get doing it with a brush. Works fine, doesn't in any way stiffen the fabric, and it's a dye, not paint, so it can't crack or peel off the fabric.

--

Josh@WolfeNet.com is Joshua Putnam / P.O. Box 13220 / Burton, WA 98013
"My other bike is a car."
http://www.wolfenet.com/~josh/


[Ed.note: Mylar has a lot of interesting uses in the studio, distortions etc...]
From: "Marc Jones" ncstargazer@earthlink.net
Newsgroups: sci.astro.amateur
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000
Subject: Re: Aluminized mylar sources?

Sporting goods stores, such as Sports AuthorityT, carry "emergency blankets". These are large sheets of aluminized MylarT. To cover a large telescope join more sheets together using aluminized duct tape (available at l home-centers, such as Lowes & Home Depot) to make the sheet large enough. Use the same tape to join the seams as you construct your cover. It is very strong stuff. I joined 4 blankets together to make a cover big enough for my 25" Obsession.-

Marc

Visit me at the Deer Meadow Observatory Website, and please check out Marc's Astronomy Shop while you are there: http://go.to/ncstargazer


Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: sgsg@iname.com (S. Gordon)
Subject: Re: Q: Inexpensive Ballhead?

LeRoy Michaelson lrm@integrity-design.com wrote:

> Are there any ballheads that work satisfactorally in the $100 (US)
> range?  I'm not ready to part with four or five hundred dollars for a
> ballhead and quick mount setup.  I use a Bogen 3021 (?) and 35mm
> equipment.

If it's for 35mm equipment, you might want to ask in a more appropriate newsgroup, like rec.photo.equipment.35mm

For the price you're talking about you may not be able to get a sturdy, long-lasting, smooth-panning ballhead that doen't leak fluid. At that price, I remember some old recommendations on photo.net's tripod page for the Canon Professional Ball Head, which apparently is made by (and possibly just a renamed) Velbon ballhead, selling for roughly $65. I've never tried it, or even seen it, so I cannot vouch for it.

Do check out that photo.net site. I remember that several people there were not too fond of what is probably the most popular ballhead in your price range, the Bogen 3262QR (I think that's it) describing it as leaky and not particularly smooth.

When I was looking for a ballhead a year or so ago, before I decided to keep the setup I had, the medium-size Kaiser ballhead (with the separate panning lockscrew) was recommended to me; it was described it as a quality, affordable (twice what you want to spend) copy of the medium Linhof. I tried it out at a local camera store and it seemed impressive.


Date: 14 Jun 200
From: Mark Rabiner mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Q: Inexpensive Ballhead?

LeRoy Michaelson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are there any ballheads that work satisfactorally in the $100 (US)
> range?  I'm not ready to part with four or five hundred dollars for a
> ballhead and quick mount setup.  I use a Bogen 3021 (?) and 35mm
> equipment.
>
> Thanks,
>
> LeRoy

I went into the camera store with a hundred bucks last month on a Friday and walked out with a Cullman or some such ballhead which I brought back Monday as there was a jiggle. This time with my Leica M6 in hand. I ended up shelling out another C note and getting the ballhead of my dreams.

A Gitzo Magnesium Centre Ball Head.

The quality of an Arca Swiss or some other Swiss but French and a hundred bucks cheaper.

I also think they are lighter. The feel is excellent.

I think I am better off here than a Linhof!! This head will work with all my cameras maybe not the Cambo NX. "New high performance 3 Series ball head suitable for loads up to 8 kg. At the heart of this ball head is a precision-machined, Teflon coated aluminium? ball for ultra-smooth operation. The new ball head incorporates a separate? friction control, which can be set to counterbalance the weight of the camera, giving total control over the finest of adjustments. This head is supplied with a fixed round plate with reversible 1/4" or 3/8" camera fixing. Independent pan and tilt controls lock the head exactly where it is set, without movement. All locking knobs have a rubber coating, for a softer touch and?excellent grip. The combination of smooth performance, controllability and accuracy once again sets new standards in ball head design."

Mark Rabiner


From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000
Subject: Re: Seeking product photography advice

F wrote:

> Greetings,
> I'm  attempting (and determined) to learn to do my own product photography
> on a VERY limited budget. I need photos and slides of my  painted,
> textured wood lamps for brochures, etc. At he moment I have a Minolta
> MAXXUM Stsi 35mm AF w/manual overide and a QUANTARAY 28-80 mm 1:3.5-5.6
> lens, plus a tripod,some halogen shop lights and other odds & ends
>
> I live in central Arizona where it's always windy and often quite warm so
> I'd prefer to do these shots indoors. I do have large shop doors that can
> be opened to allow a fair amount of reflected natural light to enter, if
> that helps.
>
> I'm seeking advice on LOW BUDGET lighting, backdrops, diffusers, etc.
> I'm also looking for input on exposure values, film, composition, books,
> articles, tricks ... whatever !

well the shop doors is a great idea and saves you a bundle, especially if they face the north as the light is much more consistent that way. hang a white sheet or buy a sheet of white styro wall insulation for a reflector and you should have a nice smooth light.

now the tricky part, you probably want the lamp to look like a lamb, a light source. you may want to place very bright bulbs in them, so the lamp is about one stop brighter than the window light, this will give you detail in the lamp base but let the lamp look like it is doing it's job. You can get adapters to place a 250 watt quartz halogen modeling light in the socket, this may be enough. if not, you may have to set the shot up and sit there and wait for twilight and shoot till you get the right balance.

another trick for lower light levels is to use your flash if you can tilt it for a bounce, aim it at the side wall or place another sheet of stryro insulation pannel there to make one and play with your exposures till you get a combination that works, bouncing the flash sideways, and I assume you will want verticles so the shoe mount flash if you have one might point in the right direction for a bounce, but doing it sideways will imitate the soft light of the open doorway but with much less power than direct flash.

set your zoom at 80mm and read your manual to find out what the f/stop is at that range and how it effects the rest of them, if yours is a 3.5 to 5.6, well, that's a stop and a half range and it changes as it zooms, which means that your f/8 will change perhaps from f/7 to f/10 as you zoom, so if you leave it at one place and do an exposure test, you can figure out a 'working film speed' to make your calculations work.

there are probably some books on product photography but I would recommend some dean collin's videos which are so good you will probably want to drop this wood shop thing and become a photographer.


From Nikon Mailing LIst:
Date: Wed Jul 05 2000
From: CTemkin@aol.com
Subject: [NIKON] Tip on Arca-style heads

Since there has been some discussion on the Arca vs the Kirk ball head, I thought I would pass along the following advice. When the ball head is not in use, tighten the fast release all the way. The purpose of doing this is to prevent the knob which tightens the release from unscrewing due to vibration or whatever. If it unscrews, you may lose either the knob or the little cylinder which the knob turns against, or both. Of course, I unfortunately speak from experience on this. The only good news is that Really Right Stuff can supply new knobs and new cylinders. Bryan Geyer passed along this tip along with the new knob and cylinder.

By the way, as to which head is better, I don't know because I have only the Arca head. I will point out that I have never had any trouble with tightening or loosening the head itself.


From: "L. & P. Pauer" pauer@ils.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Do Pros dupe slides they send out?

Hi,

I find it easier and cheaper to shoot in-camera dupes.

When having the lab do the work it is usually to 4*5 repro-dupes average (17$-20$) here in Canada Or when printing to not-the-Cibachrome a 4*5 interneg is made, also (17$-20$) here, and a contrast mask if needed.

Yes it is expensive and no it is not hard to get a Pro lab to make a good dupe.

Cost wise normal 35mm dups are about 2$ but contrast tends to build up quickly.

Scan&print; your own, is fairly easy, lots of good scanners around. Current crop of home scanners are doing up to 4000dpi. There are tons of good photo-quality printers out there, but print life is a short 3-5 years with all but the new Epson 870 and 1270 which claims 15-25 or so year print life.

Or this fall the Epson 2000p/7500/9500 pigment based printers with a print life of up to 200 years will be here! Seriously passing all normal chemical based print lifespans.

Check http://www.wilhelm-research.com/ for actual print life fade tests but here is a approximate print life table

Normal inkjets  3-5 years
HP Photosmart 5-8 years
Normal c-prints 12-20 years.
Epson 870/1270 15-25 years
IlfoChrome about 29 years.
IRIS print   about 29 years
Fuji Crystal Archive paper 60 years.
Epson pigment printer about 200 years

Hope this helps a bit 8-)..

"Fjx1" fjx1@aol.com wrote

> I know that most Pros shoot slides because that's what magazines prefer(
> quicker view on lightbox, true picture unaffected by lab and cheaper).
> My query is this:
> do they send dupes or originals out.
> If they send dupes , isn't it
> 1. expensive
> 2. difficult to get a good dupe?
>
> I like to print my good shots( maybe one per rol if I'm lucky). Should I be
> using chrome and then have the good ones printed by a pro. Should I shoot print
> film? Or, should I get a good scanner (LS-2000?) and shoot chrome and print my
> own. Is it very difficult to scan and print your own slides?
>
> Thanks for the input.


From: f11bob@webtv.net (Bob Hickey)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Cheap gold/silver reflector

K-Mart has them now too, $8.95.

Bob Hickey


From: f11bob@webtv.net (Bob Hickey)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Cheap gold/silver reflector

Just out of curiosity; has anyone checked out golf shops for umbrellas? Some of them are really preposterous, but I don't think I've ever seen a white one. At least none that don't say Max-Fli or something on them.

Bob Hickey


From: Mike Farrell farrell3200@altavista.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: A cheaper way
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000

I've found that when I need a reflector that doesn't need to be very big, aluminum foil works well. Taping it to a piece of cardboard adds rigidity.

--
Mike Farrell -- farrell3200@altavista.net


From: f11bob@webtv.net (Bob Hickey)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: A cheaper way

We who are financially challenged much prefer the word frugal. Also Home Depot is our best friend. Outside of a bellows, you can find enough junk in there to make a whole camera. Reflectors and diffusers? Next to flourescent lites. Stands or tents? Plumbing: PVC. Screws and gizmos? Can't have too many gizmos: Fastener aisle. You want it to go 90 deg. and roll on the floor? Hardware. No floor? Go to tiles and linoleum. And here's the thing: if you ask them they know. Amazing!

Bob Hickey


From: "Bruce" hendrick@dowco.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: hand painting your own muslins

Not that easy. First off, unless you have extensive experience in painting backgrounds, I wouldn't bother. muslin is a light material, once you put paint on it- it will be heavy, thick, and will easily crack. Never mind the flattening issue. "flat paints" are not flat enough for photographic use. Plus, there are very few flatting additives that are actually flat enough for photographic use as well.

PLUS, most muslins are actually dyed, not painted - even harder to get a blended old masters look.

Why not start off with purchasing a grey old masters and start playing with coloured gels to give you different coloured backgrounds? You will have to learn how to control your light (-3 stops minimum of fall off from subject to background if you want a vivid colour from your gelled background light).

--
Bruce A. Hendricks MPA, F.Ph.
Clearbrook Photographic Arts Inc.
http://www.photoart.bc.ca

Glenn de Souza wrote in message ...

>Can anyone point me to info on the web (or anywhere) about painting your  own
>muslin backgrounds? I'm interested in Old Master styles in different color
>palettes. Buying one of each I want would cost more than I can afford, so I
>got to thinking about painting my own.
>
>Thanks in Advance
>
>Glenn de Souza
>Scottsdale, Arizona


Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
From: "Cliff Hawker" cliffhawker@email.msn.com
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: hand painting your own muslins

It is very easy. Muslin will take paint very well. The muslin will be a little heavier, but easily manageable. Provided you paint it properly, you should not have a cracking problem. I have some that I painted over 5 years ago that do not have a single crack and they are well traveled. I ball them, I fold them and I have even rolled them. Creases and wrinkles are easily handled with a spray bottle when hung, and come right out.

Flat paints "are" flat enough for photographic use. There are many many companies that paint muslins: The Backdrop Outlet, Denny, Bright... They sell for hundreds of dollars. I have one that I painted different on each side providing me with two backdrops on one:

Normal interior house paint may be used and diluted. I sometimes diluted as much as 4 to 1 using a natural sponge to apply it. Give it a try, use cheap flat interior paint and have fun with it.

--
Cliff Hawker
Medina, Oh


From: "John Stafford" John@Stafford.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000
Subject: Strange Tip O'the day

If you use a Bogen system which includes the universal clamps, tripod mickies and gizmos, then I've found a surprising source for yet more goodies. A clothing store went out of business here and was selling off its display hardware. Among the piles of stuff were the black-metal frames and extendable stands used to hold signs. The extensions looked so Manfroti that I had to study them. The "Made in Italy" stickers were still on them. Upon a hunch, I bought the whole pile for $15. When I got them home, I first compared the fasteners with the Manfroto fasteners. They were _exactly_ the same parts. Then I removed the sign frames and base and lo-and-behold the fittings were _exactly_ compatible - perfect fit - with the universal clamp and fittings. I have to believe the same folks make both. Now I have beautiful black anodized legs and extensions that fit the clamps, a part not offered by Manfroto (to my knowledge), at a huge savings.


From: Shannon Hong triode@uq.net.au
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000
Subject: RE:Strange Tip of the day

Manfrotto(Bogen) does manufacture shopfitting supports that U describe. I was in a clothing store just last week which had 2 such supports with mannequins torsos attached to them. The joints with locking fastners had 'Manfrotto' embossed on them.


From: rndyhyns@earthlink.net (Randy Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000
Subject: Cheap gold/silver reflector

Just thought I would mention it. Last night the wife and I are at Wal-Mart and passed the automotive section. I so one of those sun blocker thingy's you put in the windshield to reduce the heat in a parked car. This one was silver on one side and gold on the other. It folds up really nice. I bought it and mounted it on one of my light stands. It all ready had some elastic straps that worked really nice. Anyhow the entire setup was less that $8.00.

I looked for a plain white one also, but couldn't find one . I would have had to settle on one with a big pair of eyes on it, or some goofy saying on it for that one, so I opted for only silver and gold only.

After reading everyones advice on lighting I am going to try the one light / one reflector combo and see what turns out of that.


From: "Pierre Clemente" imagepoint@globalserve.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Cheap gold/silver reflector

Sounds interesting, tell me how it turns out. When I shoot on location I drop by the Home Depot and pick up a sheet of styrofoam to use as reflector.

Pierre Clemente


From: rndyhyns@earthlink.net (Randy Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Cheap gold/silver reflector

>in gold AND silver is unbelievable! PLEASE e-mail me any brand name or
>other info you can; I'll check my local WalMart and other places.

Here's what's on the label, Axius, a trademark of / Marque de commerce de\Marca Registrada: Auto-Shade L.L.C. , Moonpark CA, 93021

I tried it out tonight with some still lifes using Portra 400NC so we'll see what it looks like soon. The elastic straps wrapped around a light stand and held it easily enough. However I couldn't get all the folds out of it to be perfectly flat so I'm not sure what that will do to me.


From: Bill Bill_member@newsguy.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: 6 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Cheap gold/silver reflector

>       Just thought I would mention it. Last night the wife and I are
>at Wal-Mart and passed the automotive section. ...sun
>blocker thingy's ... silver on one side and gold on the other. It
>folds up really nice.
>       I looked for a plain white one also, but couldn't find one .

I started buying those several years ago after I read an article in CAMCORDER magazine. They also have a silver with shiny on one side and dull on the other.

And, they just started stocking a black that is perfect as a gobo.

They stocked white for a while. However, it seems to have disappeared. I wrote to the guy who wrote the article and he said that the company who makes the white has started making them for several photo related companies. He thought it was funny that Videomaker magazine sells them for about three times the price.

Bill


Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
From: "Richard Knight" adreamcatcher@email.msn.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Flash Meters: (1) FAQ? (2) Which One?

Alan Bell alanb@blk.com wrote

> I have never used a flash meter, but want to take the plunge.
>
> 1. Is there an FAQ on the subject?
> 2. What sort of differences are there between the cheapest and the most
> expensive?

There are two main differences IMO. The first (and IMO, most important) is the features. In the least expensive, the flash meter is only that, a unit for measuring flash output. The more expensive meters incorporate built in accessories such as ambient light metering, non corded flash metering (which can be very helpful when shooting alone), and averaging/memory capabilities. They may also include optional accessories such as spot metering attachments and reflective domes.

The second difference is the sensitivity and range of measurement. The less expensive meters may not work in very low light situationsin an ambient mode or in high output flash situations where you are looking at very small DOF apertures combined with extension factors (such as in macro work). A 3 stop difference in metered light and effective flash may be required in long extension/short focal length situations. An f64, 90 or even 128 flash output may be necessary to give an effective exposure at f45 (large format) or f22 (35mm) in high extension situations.

> 3. Does one flash meter stand out as the meter of choice, for instance, the
> way eBay stands out among auction sites?

Seems the most popular meter for pros and advanced amatures is the Minolta Autometer IVF (I don't want to start a Nikon vs Canon type war here though).

It contains all the features I described above and in addition is a digital meter with easy to read lighted output and is easy to operate. It comes with a padded case that can be attached to your belt as well as a neck strap. I own one and consider it one of the best and most versatile items I have bought for photography. I'm sure there are other brands of meters with comparable capabilities but the Minolta meter is now selling for $224 at Adorama which is a pretty good buy for the features.

Richard


From: "TED SMITH" esmith@kingston.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Nikon Lenses for Portrait Photography

> What Nikon lens work well for portrait photography?

Calvin,

Any lens in 85mm to 105mm is ideal for 35 mm portrait work. Lens longer or shorter tend to create some distortion that would not be pleasing in a portrait.

If you're shooting Nikon AF, I would take a good look at the 80-200 f2.8 zoom. This is a good portrait lens when used at the short end of the zoom and the wide aperature can create some nice effects when used with a little backlighting. The 35-105 zoom is nice too. They also make a couple of distortian control AF lens ... but they're pretty big bucks.

If you are shooting MF lens you should be able to pick up a 105 or 85 used for a good price. Nikon has made a couple of versions of their 85mm over the years .... an f2 or f1.8 would be a great lens. Also consider the Tamron 90mm f2.5 in MF.

As far as a basement studio goes .... the first commercial photographer I worked for back in the late 60's had his studio in the basement with a seven and a half foot ceiling.

You should look for studio flash heads that have a modeling light and are in the 80 to 125 Watt Second power range. Look at Bowens and Multiblitz systems. Pick up a used Minolta or Gossen flash meter. Backdrops for single and couple shots can be six foot wide bolts of heavy velveteen material. Get one in black and one in sky blue. Seamless paper comes in four foot to nine foot widthes. Using white paper and putting a coloured gell in one light and throwing it on the white paper can give you a wide variety of "couloured" backdrops.

Pick up some umbrellas or soft boxes to shoot through. You can buy reflectors from a couple of sources or you can make your own from posterboard covered with silver or gold foil ... the gold will warm up one side of the portrait creating a window light effect.

Back drop stand sets are available for probably less than $100. Look at a good easy-to-adjust tripod.

Some other things worth having ... a piano stool (or two) so that you can adjust subject heights when doing couples. Also buy a thick sheet of styrofoam insullation ... two inches is best. Cut the sheet into pieces about 6x12 inches. Pile these up to form blocks that are 4,6, and 8inches thick. Wrap them well with duct tape. These can be used to prop a sitting subject's foot up to make their body tilt a little into the portrait or a little out of the portrait. They're great for making shorter children fir a little better into the composition.Put them on a subjects lap, drap them with some black clothe, and you have a place for the subject to rest and arm or put and elbow on to create some poses.

If you're going to shoot children pick up a hand puppet ... and one of those three foot long multi=coloured "dusters" made out of nylon threads. They're great to reach out and tickle a youngster with. (And learn how to blow bubbles with one hand and shoot with the other!)

Portraits are the most "fun" type of photography.

Hope this info helps. e-mail me if you want any further info ...I've got over 30 years experience (I started when I was TWO) ... owned my own studio and photo store .... supervised a half dozen studios for a national chain ... and taught photography. I am retired from it now (at least for a while) ... but I'll be happy to help out if I can.

Good shooting.

Ted Smith
Chaffeys Lock ON Canada


From: qdurham@aol.com (QDurham)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc
Date: 30 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: How to take small object product photo

Stan Peters wrote:

For small objects, a couple swing arm lamps with 100w light bulbs is enough as digicams/editors are good at adjusting to light sources.

Another easy (with practice) method is to simply paint the object with a 50 watt lightbulb in a $1 reflector. Swing light back and forth, keeping it pointed at the subject. Start with light about 2 feet from subject. F/22, shutter on BULB/TIME. How long? Maybe 10 seconds. Depends on many variables.

Experiment. Blow a whole roll of film! Try to keep light-subject distance constant. Keep notes.

And scoff not! This is a common technique used in such amateur efforts as covers on such as Architectural Digest. Maybe 10 minute exposure at f/64, 8X10 Kodachrome, walk into photo and paint a little light under this table, over that shelf, wherever experience suggests.


From: "Beverly Robinson" robi086@ibm.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Souce for muslin cloth for backgrounds?

Mike:

Quoting an ad in "Sew News" of June 2000:

10 foot wide cotton fabrics. Washable. Non toxic. Custom/Do-It-Yourself seamless draperies, slipcovers, bedspreads, tablecloths. Kit Fabric Samples $2.00. Homespun, Box 4315, Thousand Oaks, CA 91359 MC/V 1-888-543-2998

Hope this is what you are looking for.

"Mike Jordan" mjordan@thetics.europa.com wrote

> I've been doing some searching on the internet for a source of the wide
> (8' or more) muslin cotton coth that is used so much for backgrounds but
> haven't found a good source yet.  I've bought one off e-bay, and the price
> wasn't bad, but I'd like to find a source that is cheaper.
>
> Does anyone know of a supplier of plain and colored muslin cotton (or
> anything like that) that comes in wide seamless widths and long
> lengths?  I'd like to make a number of backgrounds to use and if I can
> save a little money, I'd sure like too. (grin)


From: dmterp@enter.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Souce for muslin cloth for backgrounds?

Hi Beverly,

A good source for the fabric you are looking for are theatrical supply houses. This material is used in theater sets all the time and it comes in wide rolls. It's also cheap.

NYC has a load of these places and you can find it in several weights suitable for one time use, or permanent installation.

The proper application would be to stretch it and paint a background on it.

Regards,

Don
dmterp@enter.net


From: josh@WOLFENET.COM (Joshua_Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: 28 Jul 2000
Subject: Re: Souce for muslin cloth for backgrounds?

Seattle Fabrics stocks seamless 120"-width muslin, $8.49/yard according to last year's catalog. They do mail order and will sell you whatever length you need. www.seattlefabrics.com

--

Josh@WolfeNet.com is Joshua Putnam / P.O. Box 13220 / Burton, WA 98013
http://www.wolfenet.com/~josh/


[Ed. note: some interesting ideas on what to do with those contact prints - make them into promo items!...]
From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: GEPE Mounts

Nifty idea. A photographer I know cuts up his contact sheets from 35mm and medium format and then makes tiny wood frames for them. He sells them at crafts fairs and does pretty well at it. I don't think he thought of putting magnets on the back so I'll suggest it to him.

Bob

> From: David.Clark@Walsworth.com
> Reply-To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 
> To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: [Rollei] Re: GEPE Mounts
>
> I don't project MF slides, but use the GEPE glass mounts to make
> refrigerator magnets.  I mount a contact print with the grey side out and a
> self stick magnet on the back.
>
> These get displayed more frequently than prints I work on for hours!
>
> David


[Ed. note: are you throwing away a goldmine in earring mounts? ;-)]
From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000
From: Mark Rabiner mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: GEPE Mounts

Bob Shell wrote:

> Nifty idea.  A photographer I know cuts up his contact sheets from 35mm
> and medium format and then makes tiny wood frames for them.  He sells them
> at crafts fairs and does pretty well at it.  I don't think he thought of
> putting magnets on the back so I'll suggest it to him.

A guy here, Ragnars Viellans(sic) cut up his contact sheets and coated them with that plastic and sold them to Nordstrom as pins and earings. Some of them had in LED in them. Some of you might be wearing them now!

Mark Rabiner


Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc,rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Painting backgrounds

Nandakumar Sankaran wrote:

> Has anybody attemped to paint their own backgrounds for portrait
> photography? I'm interested in finding out what kinds of paint are suitable
> for painting on muslin and what tools one should consider using to paint
> them. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Nandakumar

I've only painted canvass ones. Used latex paint and sponges and rubber gloves and schmeared it on in cloudy patterns. Took a regular paint brush with some highlight color, and whacked against a stick so a shotgun pattern of spots would appear where it was aimed. (use a 'dry' brush)

I painted light colors first and darker ones after, though I've heard many do the opposite, and most professionals start at the top and work their way down.


Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000
From: "Richard Knight" adreamcatcher@email.msn.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Homemade Flash Power Reduction

The easiest way is to decrease the aperture by the desired amount and use a correspondingly longer shutter speed (assuming that this is an entirely different flash than the 283 and has no adjustments to vary the output). This will, of course, also change the DOF. The duration of the flash is less than 1/1000 sec and probably closer to 1/10000, so any additional exposure (via shutter speed) will expose the areas not covered by the flash (which will be consequently be under exposed by using the smaller aperture). Hope I haven't confused you there.

There are many ways to get less than maximum flash output at the subject from a fully manual flash. IMO, one of the best ways is to use a diffuser/softbox mounted to the flash. As the resultant lighting is "softened", it can take away some of the "deer in the headlights" effect so common with hot shoe mounted flash. There are many different diffusers available of which the Stofen seems to be very popular, attaching with Velcro I believe.

If you are looking for a home made solution, tissue mounted with a rubber band has been a effective solution for many years. Make sure the tissue is a neutral color for obvious reasons. My favorite is a sheet of frosted Mylar (found at art supply stores). It will both diffuse the light and reduce the effective output. A sheet (20x30) runs about $3 and can be layered for the desired effect. It can also be mounted via an adjustable organic securement device (rubber band :~) ) and is a neutral color.

Another way, if the flash has a bounce head, is to angle it as if to use ceiling bounce. Use a small white card secured to the back of the flash to reflect some of the light directly into the subject. Remember that light normally travels in straight lines and that the angle of incidence equals the angle of reflectance (like a pool ball bouncing off a rail). So to use this method the flash head will have to be adjusted to the 45 degree position.

As the distance the light travels from the source is doubled, the available light at the subject spreads (light fall-off) to decrease the light by a factor of 4 (2 stops). With this in mind, moving back away from the subject to roughly 1 1/2 times the original distance from subject to flash will give you one less stop of flash exposure.

You will have to decide which solution works best for you as increasing subject distance creates a different subject size on the film and you may wish to use a longer lens (which will also change the background perspective as well as DOF). Using the smaller aperture will also give you more DOF which may or may not be desirable.

All of these solutions will require you to experiment to tweak the affect.

Richard

> I have an old Vivitar flash that I use a lot.  It's an excellent flash
> but my Canon does not have a PC terminal, so off-camera flash with the
> Vivitar is not possible (at least not until I find a hot-shoe to PC
> adapter).  I was wondering if anyone has any homemade methods for
> losing a stop or two of flash power, given that the flash will be
> mounted on camera.  I'm basically looking to extend this flash's
> capabilities on to fill flash while keeping it on camera.  BTW, the
> flash is a Vivitar 273, guide no. 100 (in feet).
>
> --
> Ryan Shaner
> E-mail: rxshaner@home.net


Date: 20 Sep 2000
From: wiltw@aol.com (Wilt W)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Homemade Flash Power Reduction

...

The first reply you received is good if the effect you want is to affect the overall exposure of the film. If that's not the effect you want, don't bother.

An easy way to affect how much light the flash provides (assuming it is non-TTL controlled) is to merely lie to the ASA dial on the flash unit so that the photosensor thinks that the film is properly exposed when in fact it is short of the proper exposure...set ISO 400 on the flash unit instead of ISO 100 if you want 2 f/stops less light from it. Yet the overall exposure is unaffected...merely the amount of light from the flash.

Another easy method is to buy some Neutral Density gel filters, and place the desired filter over the flash output lens. Again, the overall exposure is unaffected...merely the amount of light from the flash.

--Wilt


rec.photo.equipment.misc
Date: Fri Oct 27 2000
From: "reverend_maynard" twizout@mindspring.com
[1] Re: Light meter

check out www.lightingmagic.com for some great info on metering for studio lighting.

>"SnowMan" snowman2001@hongkong.com wrote 
>> hi, can i ask how to use light meters?
>> how important is the calculations in ambient and flash light?
>> i am using it in studio lighting.
>> which one will u recommend?
>> thanks a lot.


Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000
From: "Q.G. de Bakker" qnu@worldonline.nl
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: Anything special firing up unused strobe powerpack?

airguitar@webtv.net wrote:

> Does anyone out there know if you have to do anything special when you
> first fire up a studio strobe powerpack you haven't used in a long time?
> I have an old Dynalite 804-2 pack which I haven't used in a couple of
> years.  Does anyone know if I have to do anything special when I plug it
> in again?  I realize there could be components that could have gone bad,
> I just don't want one of the caps inside going "bang."'

As i remember it:

Put the power on, and let the capacitors charge, and let them keep their charge: don't fire the flash.

Do this for, say, 15 minutes, then switch the power off again, and let the charge trickle away. That may take some time. Repeat this a couple of times.


Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000
From: Stephen Ratzlaff ratzlaff@ticnet.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: Anything special firing up unused strobe powerpack?

The best way is to bring it up with head attached, DO NOT FIRE THE STROBE, and let it sit idle, just charging to reform the capacitors for 10-12 hours. Then try firing the strobe at full power, allowing the pack to recharge to full power and waiting a few minutes before firing again. I'd probably do this outside if weather permitted, away from flammable materials or glass. If a capacitor goes, you'll know it. I wouldn't leave it unattended for too long, check it periodically while doing this.

If all goes well let the pack charge for a few extra hours without firing strobe, then just turn it off. I'd do this two or three times before using it. If you've taken good notes of the output the pack/head provided in the past you can compare the output with a flash meter and see how close you are to the old output before the long storage. You may notice the pack is not supplying the amount of power it did in the past. Also, bear in mind, the capacitors tend to deteriorate after non regular use (i.e. sitting unused for a long period of time).

I hope this helps.

SR

airguitar@webtv.net wrote:

> Does anyone out there know if you have to do anything special when you
> first fire up a studio strobe powerpack you haven't used in a long time?
> I have an old Dynalite 804-2 pack which I haven't used in a couple of
> years.  Does anyone know if I have to do anything special when I plug it
> in again?  I realize there could be components that could have gone bad,
> I just don't want one of the caps inside going "bang."'
> Thanks!  


Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000
From: Lisa Horton geek@gatorgames.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Tripods

I have a U212. I've never had any trouble with it, but it only gets light use. It's kind of fiddly to use with those stabilizer things. I thought it was a pretty good tripod, until I got the Slik 300DX.

The 300DX, which is only very slightly more expensive than the U212 is pretty much superior in every way. The head is entirely made of metal, other than plastic knobs. Very very sturdy and does *not* slip, even with a heavy RB67 at an extreme angle. The legs lock at 3 different angles, using angle locks that are again, metal. It uses screw clamp locks which I prefer over either those snap lock things or collett locks and they are adjustable in case they ever loosen up. It's roughly equivalent to the Bogen 3011 legs, but I think it's a bit heavier and sturdier.

The U212 is still in use though, but in the garage studio. I almost exclusively use strobe lighting so vibration isn't so much of a concern, and the geared column is a big convenience for a lot of the stuff I do. I did however swap out the plastic head for a ballhead since the plastic head tends to slip even with a 35mm camera on it.

Lisa

spenser187@my-deja.com wrote:

> With all the recent posts regarding tripods, I've realized mine is
> probably inadequate.  I don't want to spend too much money on a tripod
> and found one that may fit my budget.  Has anyone had any experience
> with the Slik U212?


rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "tonyarl" tonyarl@email.msn.com
Date: Thu Nov 02 2000
[1] Re: Lightbox plans

I made one several years ago (2" x 4") for about $30. Just pick up some lumber to make a box, put a flourescent fixture on the bottom, attach a transluscent peice of plastic (got mine at a glass store) on top (by making a lip on the inside of the box, all the way around), add a switch and handle and voila! It looked pretty good.

Of course, mine was not color corrected, but it worked fine. With my amateur eyes, I can't tell the difference, especially if I don't have a color corrected one right beside it to compare.

- Tony

[Ed. note: Postscript]

Sorry, I meant 2' x 4'. Also, I painted the entire inside of the box white for better reflection.

Cheers.

- Tony


rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: bobhickey@webtv.net (Bob Hickey)
Date: Sat Nov 04 2000
[1] Re: Lightbox plans

Trusty ol' Home Depot has all kinds of flourescent lites. all "colors" and sizes. They also have these color corrected tungsten bulbs which are close to mid-day daylite. But I guess you can bounce these off a white board inside, or put a track lite type deal on the floor. Shouldn't be too complicated.

Bob Hickey


rec.photo.equipment.35mm
From: "Richard Knight" adreamcatcher2000@earthlink.net
Date: Sat Nov 04 2000
[1] Re: Lightbox plans

See www.darkroomsource.com.. There is a lightbox schematic as well as many other useful darkroom aids.

Richard


From Nikon Manual Focus MF Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000
From: "Richard Cochran" rcochran@lanset.com
Subject: Low-budget Umbrella Flash

Since the winter days are short, I've been playing lately with my latest toys: some umbrellas, lightstands, and slaves to go with my flash and manual focus (of course) Nikons. I put together a quick page with some photos and detailed explanations of how you can use umbrellas on a budget. Before I got my own umbrellas, I wondered about the extreme basics of how the clamps and stuff worked; this page explains it.

The page is at http://www.lanset.com/rcochran/flash/

I apologize that this is not strictly Nikon related, but I hope it will be of interest to some readers.

--Rich


From Leica Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000
From: Jim Brick jim_brick@agilent.com
Subject: [Leica] Re: lightjet: matte or gloss for a show?

For small prints (8x10) gloss is always better. Under glass or not. When you get to 30x40 and above, matt without glass or with museum glass (non reflective but not that frosted stuff) works best. Last year I made some 48x60's, some gloss and some matt. The matt won every time because you can hang it anywhere. Large gloss prints must be hung where there are white or bright objects opposite it to reflect in the gloss making it impossible to see the print. For small prints, up to 16x20, gloss looks better than matt.

I did some gloss 20x24's and they require careful hanging. I have a high gloss 16x20 Ciba under museum glass and it can be hung anywhere.

I suggest you use gloss paper for your show since you are using glass and 8x10's. Gloss does indeed increase the perception of sharpness and saturation. You can kill it with the wrong glass however.

Jim

...


Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001
From: "R. A. Glidewell" rg@glidewell.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo,rec.photo.technique.people,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Dean Collins Tinker Tubes book download

For all those interested. I wrote Dean Collins about finding a copy of his much prized but hard-to-find book on creating lighting devices from plastic pipe.

In response, Gary, the webmaster at Collins' site, scanned the book and has now posted it in pdf form at:

http://www.deancollins.com/tt.html

Enjoy.

Richard Glidewell


From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001
From: S Dimitrov sld@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] OT Oscar formerly Double-Anastigmats

Andrei;

A long time ago, I picked up a book from the '30s on painting with light. It showed lighting techniques, using one light, on everything, from buildings, outside and inside, to silverware. The same effect can achieved with one strobe. Once I lit a German Bavarian style restaurant. Dark, with deep booths, a real nightmare. I put the Rollei on 30 second exposure, and with a vivitrash 285 on full pop powered by a turbo battery, I was able to light the whole place, as I walked from back to front.

The lesson being, if you're not in a studio, improvise. Read the shutterbug, it's good for practical tips like that. I'm sure that painting with light has been covered ad nauseam.

...


From COntax Mailing List;
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] Some advice please!

Ways to make things smoke: blow cigarette smoke gently over it and snap the photo fast. Buy smoke chips from a theatrical supply house. When dropped in water these make smoke. Put dry ice in a container and add water. Use surgical tubing to make smoke go where you want. You can also buy "smoke" in spray cans from some prop houses.

Bob (Who tried all of the above when shooting a "steaming hot" pizza for a pizza box shot.)


From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001
From: Peter Shier pshier@mindspring.com
Subject: RE: Portrait lighting setup

From my inexperienced point-of-view, isn't the attraction of monolights that you have less baggage when shooting on location? Also, if your pack dies, then you are left with nothing whereas if one of your monolights dies you still have something left to work with.

For Paul and anyone else interested I compiled some info on the Novatron, Photogenic, and Paul C. Buff monolights below. All guide numbers are at ISO 100.

Peter

=========================================================
                Novatron
=========================================================

Model: M300
Max Power: 300w/s
Guide No: 160
Recycle time: 2 seconds
Weight: 4.5 lbs
Modeling light: 150w
AC cord: 18ft
Reflector: 6 1/2", 70 degrees
Power selections: variable from 150w/s and 300w/s
Fan-cooled: no
Flash duration: 150 w/s - 1/330         300 w/s - 1/290
MSRP: $369.95
B & H: $289.95
Warranty: 1 year
Info: http://www.novatron.com/catalog/monolights/m300.html


Model: M500
Max Power: 500w/s
Guide No: 220
Recycle time: 2.5 seconds
Weight: 5.5 lbs
Modeling light: 150w
AC cord: 18ft
Reflector: 6 1/2", 70 degrees
Power selections: 2 1/2 f-stops from 500 w/s or 125 w/s
Fan-cooled: yes
Flash duration: 125 w/s - 1/600         500 w/s - 1/200
MSRP: $469.95
B & H: $399.95
Warranty: 1 year
Info: http://www.novatron.com/catalog/monolights/m500.html

Kits at B & H:

2-M300, 2-45" umbrellas, 2-10' stands, 1-case, $715.95
2-M500, 2-45" umbrellas, 2-10' stands, 1-case, $834.95
1-M300, 1-M500 2-45" umbrellas, 2-10' stands, 1-case, $779.95


=========================================================
                        Photogenic
=========================================================

Model: 300DR
Max Power: 125w/s
Guide No: 180
Recycle time: 1.5 seconds
Weight: 4.5 lbs
Modeling light: ?
AC cord: ? ft
Reflector: None, takes all Photogenic reflectors
Power selections: variable in 0.1 f-stop resolution with digital power
display
Fan-cooled: yes
Flash duration: 1/1300
MSRP: $599.95
B & H: 508.95
Warranty: ?
Info: http://www.photogenicpro.com

Model: PL1250
Max Power: 500w/s
Guide No: 365
Recycle time: 1.5 seconds
Weight: 5.5 lbs
Modeling light: 250w
AC cord: ? ft
Reflector: 6 1/2", 70 degrees
Power selections: 6 f-stops in 0.1 f-stop resolution
Fan-cooled: no
Flash duration: 1/1300
MSRP: $550.00
B & H: $399.95 including 45" umbrella
Warranty: ?
Info: http://www.photogenicpro.com

Model: PL1250DR
Same as PL1250 but with digital power display of 0.1 f-stop increments
MSRP: $650.00
B & H: $479.95 with 45" umbrella
Info: http://www.photogenicpro.com


Kits at B & H:

1-PL1250DR, 13' stand, 45" umbrella, soft case, $549.95




=========================================================
                Paul C. Buff - White Lightning
=========================================================

Model: UltraZAP 800
Max Power: 330w/s, effective power 800 w/s
Guide No: 290
Recycle time: 1 second
Weight: 3.7 lbs
Modeling light: 150w
AC cord: 15ft
Reflector: 7"
Power selections: 5 f-stops variable
Fan-cooled: no
Flash duration: 1/3600
MSRP: $399 (available directly from mfr. only)
Warranty: 5 years
Info: http://www.white-lightning.com

Model: UltraZAP 1600
Max Power: 660w/s, effective power 1600 w/s
Guide No: 420
Recycle time: 2 second
Weight: 4.6 lbs
Modeling light: 150w
AC cord: 15ft
Reflector: 7"
Power selections: 5 f-stops variable
Fan-cooled: no
Flash duration: 1/1600
MSRP: $479 (available directly from mfr. only)
Warranty: 5 years
Info: http://www.white-lightning.com



Kits (more on their web site):

1 - UltraZap 1600 flash
2 - UltraZap 800 flash
2 - Heavy-duty stands
1 - BLSB Back light stand
2 - 42W White bounce umbrellas
1 - LMMF LiteMod Mainframe
1 - LMHG20 LiteMod 20o grid
1 - UBR Background refl.
--------------------------------
$1558

2 - UltraZap 800 flash
2 - 8' stands
2 - 42W White bounce umbrella
-----------------------------
$916

2 - UltraZAP 1600 flash
1 - UltraZAP 800 flash
2 - Heavy-duty stands
1 - BLSB back light stand
1 - UBR background reflector
2 - 42W White bounce umbrellas
1 - LSBAG Light stand bag
1 - WLC White Lightning hard case
--------------------------------
$1802


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Klosky [mailto:Peter.Klosky@trw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001
Subject: Re: Portrait lighting setup

Paul,

I've got a set of Novatron lights, with the 600WS power pack. I've been pleased. The package I got was nicely complete with all the stands, umbrellas, cords and, best of all, excellent case. Nice company, too.

I've used monolights, and they are ok, but I never completely understood the attraction. They are very heavy high on the stands, due to all the stuff in them. They require numerous extension cords for power, that do not manage as neatly as a power pack, in that a second set of trigger cables is required, in some form or another. I'm going to photograph the Inaugural Ball that George Bush will visit this Saturday night, and I think it will be just fine to use my power pack system.

My only complaint about the Novatron 600 pack that I have is that the 600/300/150 power settings are too powerful to shoot head shots with 400 speed film, in some scenarios.

Peter


[Ed. note: Mr. Posner is an accomplished professional photographer as well as a senior staffer at B&H...;]
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000
From: Henry Posner/B&H; Photo-Video henryp@bhphotovideo.com
Subject: [NIKON] Re: Portrait Lighting with Flashes

you wrote:

>how high should strobes be over the eye level of the subject?
>
>Is it fairly necessary when you mve the strobes out to the side to have a
>third strobe to knock down the under chin and nose shadows?  I've tried a
>reflector and it seems just a little too little.

Traditional portraiture uses a four light setup as follows:

The Main light is usually 30 to 45 degrees off the camera-to-subject axis and high enough so the light produces a full catch-light in the subject's eye. Without model lamps and with small children who won't hold still for you to check this, try placing it so the bottom of the umbrella or soft box is level with the top of the head, or just a tad lower.

The FIll light is usually directly above the camera's taking lens and is 1-1.5 stops lower in output than the main light. It should be a broad diffuse non-directional light, which makes its height less of an issue. I usually placed mine high enough to avoid walking into it.

The Hair light is behind the subject, pointed towards the background. The strength of this light should equal the main, if you want the film to record the background density as your eye sees it, but Dean Collins has ably demonstrated that with deft handling, the amount of background illumination can turn a black wall white or vice versa.

The Hair light is above the subject's head and slightly behind, so that the light is producing a cap (sort of like a yamulke) of light on the head. The quantity will vary with the subject's hair, the background treatment and the amount of separation of subject-to-background desired.

Now, these are the traditional old style PPof A type rules. While they produce excellent results, like any "rules" they're made to be broken, once you've mastered them. I shot with this setup for a decade, and when combined with decent posing and subject expression, you can't go wrong.

- --
regards,
Henry Posner
Director of Sales and Training
B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com


Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001
From: remove.david@meiland.com (David Meiland)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.advanced,rec.photo.technique.art
Subject: Re: Photo images transferred to ceramic tile?

"Daniel Pruitt" dgpruitt@hotmail.com wrote:

>I'm interested in learning about processes which transfer photo images onto
>ceramic tiles.
>
>I can't seem to find a ceramic newsgroup, so I'm hoping there will be some
>relevance here in the photo realm.
>
>If anyone has experience/knowledge about the process, required equipment,
>useful websites, etc. I'd appreciate some assistance as I have seemingly
>scoured the web and have not been able to turn up much information.
>
>I have found a reference to a system produced by Canon called STARS,
>however, there is no information on STARS (apart from a trademark mention)
>on the Canon website.  Again, I appreciate any enlightenment in this area.
>
>Much thanks,
>Daniel

You *might* be able to get some input on this from the JLC ceramic tile forum, at this address:

http://www.jlconline.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/tile/webbbs_config.pl

My guess is that you'd need to get the image transferred onto raw bisque and then have a clear glaze baked on over that. The dye that produces the image would have to withstand the heat of the kiln, which will probably be the big issue.

---
David Meiland
Oakland, CA


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001
From: Jack Germsheid jgermsheid@home.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Detailed PVC Studio Equipment Instructions

Mike,

I bought one of those emergency blankets and mounted it on a mobile reflector of my own design. I used packing tape. However the material mine is made of is very flimsy and in the future I would consider using a large peice of the white foam insulation or just foam core when in the studio ( as suggested numerous times by numerous people - but I just won't listen). This did work for a while and was quite inexpensive (some say cheap). My wife did me the ultimate kindness at christmas though and bought me a 42 inch collapsible Booth reflector, black on one side silver on the other. As a hobbyist-wanna-be I spend enough money on film, processing etc. that I sometimes try to save money on the wrong things. Build the Collins soft box and buy the factory-made reflector it'll be way better in the field than the emergency blanket. It costs ten times much as the emergency blanket but it's ten times easier to use.

Just my two bits,

Jack


Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001
From: Mike Jordan mjordan@europa.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Detailed PVC Studio Equipment Instructions

Hi Jack,

Jack Germsheid wrote:

> Mike,
> I bought one of those emergency blankets and mounted it on a mobile
> reflector of my own design. I used packing tape. However the material
> mine is made of is very flimsy and in the future I would consider using
> a large peice of the white foam insulation or just foam core when in the
> studio ( as suggested numerous times by numerous people - but I just
> won't listen). This did work for a while and was quite inexpensive (some
> say cheap). My wife did me the ultimate kindness at christmas though and

I bought two 4 x 2 core panels a while back. One side is white (with lettering on it) and the other side is reflective aluminum foil. One thing I noticed about it is that it creates hot spots if you aren't careful. I got rid of most of those by moving the reflector a lot closer than I first did. I need to fix some small light stands or something that I can use them with though because they are hard to position unless you have someone to hold them.

>  reflector
> it'll be way better in the field than the emergency blanket. It costs
> ten times much as the emergency blanket but it's ten times easier to use.
> Just my two bits,

I know what you mean, Jack. Back years ago when I got into Ham radio I figured I'd save money by buying radios that needed a little work and fixing them myself. After spending 3 times what it would have cost to just buy a decent one, I got smart. Luckly my wife only saw "just a few odds and ends, dear. Hardly cost a thing." part of it and not the total amount I was paying for parts and tools and test gear. I did the same thing when I got into computers, but there I did save money by building my own but I had to keep upgrading to keep up. Mostly what I am trying to do is work cheap until I figure out what it is I REALLY need and then I'll buy that. I've been working on taking portraits of big, black hairy dogs (we raise show dogs) and what I'm finding out is I need LOTS of light. It seems even with several reflectors, two monolights (one 640 ws and one 160ws), white seamless paper, sometimes with umbrellas and some times with direct flash, that these dogs soak it all up and still give me black blob on a very well lit white covered table. I think I'm going to start calling them black holes for the way they soak up light and not let it return. Even though I use to take a lot of people portraits, I'm finding it's a lot harder getting good Rembrandt or Butterfly lighting when the subject has a 4 to 5 inch nose and you can't see their eyes.

Mike


Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Question regarding reflectors and stands

BoBo wrote:

> What do you guys do for shoots when you need your reflector and you have
> no assistants?
>
> Most of my friends are working or busy doing other things.
> I have a piece of foamcore that I would like to use, but dunno, what I
> can use to hold it.
>
> Unless I strictly use my flash for fill.
> But would much rather use natural light if possible.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> (also instead of foamcore i have this 2 whitet circular sun reflectors
> for the car, that I use as reflectors also, but have no idea what to use
> to hold them up)

foamcore is cheap, what they call an expendable, bash'm abuse'm, they ain't flesh and blood, (though the speaker at my association meeting that was saying that happened to OWN a shop that sold all those expendibles...)

but you can take a stick and poke it right into the back of the board to hold it up at an appropriate angle. and when the thing starts to look too ugly, get another one. I have a a light weight light stand, I use a clamp, not a pincher clothes pin thing, but a thumb screw and c clamp thing that came with my larsons, I also have some larson reflectors which open like a four stave umbrella, open out to a stretched out flat, and have a center pole to use in the clamp devise.

Those car windsheild things are much too flimsy for photographic use, IMO, and with two parts that are loosely attached, rather clumsy and unweildy to use, but I find those pro level twist and fold reflectors to be, while better than the car protectors, still a bit to plyable, especially if you want to have it at an angle not verticle.

However, if you are shooting in sweet light, like an overhang, etc, then you should either be able to get away without it and not loose too much, it is basically a boost and not a fill light, or, as the right kinds of overhangs and protected areas tend to have branches, tree trunks, walls very close by, there is usually something to prop or hang the reflector on.

The only time I really wish an assistant was available is when I am trying to shoot out in the sun with a scrim, you can toss all the sandbags and saddlebags with dead weights you can on the stand and legs but a breeze will set it sailing and the assistant's job isn't so much to hold it in place as it is to keep the thing from bashing the clients.


Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001
From: "Frank h" frank@hovie.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Question regarding reflectors and stands

I am not a pro or anything but I use one of those 3 legged stands used to hold up a white board for a buisness presentation. They have adjustable legs and little fingers to rest the white board on - It works great with a big light disk.

Frank H


Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people
Subject: Re: Starving student photography

> I'm a sports and nature photographer looking to dabble in a bit of
> glamour. Do any of have any suggestions on cutting costs concerning
> equipment. I have the camera and accesories. I'm just concerned about
> the rest of the studio equipment. I also would love to know any of the
> concerns you have with using inexpensive equipment.

just this week Richard Glidewell posted a link to the greatest reference to inexpensive studio do it yourself equipment:

http://www.deancollins.com/tt.html

you will need to download an acrobat format reader from any of the freeware sites.

The risks you take with shabby, trashy looking, equipment and/or studio environment is the client's reaction, their feelings about the premises, the sense of cleanlyness, their comfort level is as much a part of the creation of the image and is, in the clients' mind, forever part of the image itself. If they don't feel comfortable, there is that much less of them involved in the creative process. So actually, you can get away with a lot more using junky looking equipment than you can with an unappealing studio environment.

In dealing with the public there are similarites with the restuarant business. There are many examples of places that adopt an atmosphere of funk, IE: seafood places with rustic decore. but what are the differences between a funky place and a greasy spoon?

A lot of a client's perception of value is based on the experience, not the final result. Look at clothing sales, you can buy used clothes at some charity thift shop, you can buy 'retro-fashion' at some trendy shop, often the same stuff. (and one thing I've noticed, the higher the prices, the less stuff is there, thrift shop has so much on the racks you can hardly riffle through them, department stores, just enough to fill the racks, haute coutre boutique hardly has enough on display to fill a carryone bag, I guess they can't afford enough stock at those prices either.) The higher the prices, the cleaner the place seems, thrift shop sometimes feel like you don't want to rub up against anything, department stores average, and that designer shop with the $500 t-shirt seems like you could do surgery)

I believe one of the reasons that those background projectors didn't suceed with the public wasn't that the subjects didn't care about having their picture before any location or spacy background, it was that they couldn't relate to having their picture taken against a plain white plastic wall, (hey dude, like where's the Taj Mahal, man.)

On the other hand, you can engage in major trickery, making something cheap seem so impressive. In the 80's when video was just taking off, a friend was getting top bucks doing videos competing against TV newsguys etc, with just a consumer camera, but he placed a huge cinema lens shade on the front that he got at some photo flea market, it looked soooooo coooool. In fact, cause of that, I bought a Lindahl belloshade to use whether I need it or not.

Oh gosh, just how many different tangents did I dive off to this time.... you can have cheap and/or funky gear, as long as the entire experience with the client is comfortable and matches their expectation of value.

this reply is echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at onelist, I mean, egroups, no wait, yahoogroups.com, I think...


From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000
Subject: Re: Photographing Glass???

Dave wrote:

> Hi Folks:
>     I have been asked to help a good friend of mine take some digital
> pictures of his work. He makes hand-blown glass and I find it nearly
> imposable to get a picture that I like. I think that black is probably the
> best background to use because it offers good contrast. However, I would
> appreciate any suggestions that anyone might have on techniques for
> photographing glass items. Thanks in advance for your help.

photographing glass is difficult as it is translucent and so you are trying to capture the light behind it,

pro use a clear glass 'product table' that has one or two layers of glass that curves up to also have a background, on the lower layer they place a paper background roll and light it. This floats the item off the background, no shadows, lets the background get illuminated every evenly without contaminating the subject item with a reflection and color cast. with a dark background you would have to place a mirror directly behind it, look at most beer ads at how the glass glows, there is a mirror behind it, probably photographed separately. it is lit with a focused spot light aimed down.

Then you can use soft lights to rim light or side light the item to show texture and surface solidarity, take lots of tests to balance the front light with the back lights to get the perfect solid object that reveals that inner glow.

I would definitely make a procentium, like a lens shade, this is a frame or matte board with an opening that you carefully place between the camera and set up, since you are using digital you can keep shooting to get the opening as close to the edge of the image but still outside. this will block most stray light from the sides or backlight that can fog and gray out the image from the loss of contrast.

a cheap an s simple thing to do if the items are not quite solid, but not very translucent is to cut a hole in a matte board under the item and place a small strobe or even a hot light under and balance that light with the side light. You will probably want to side light to reveal the shape of the item as flat light will do just that, make it look flat.


From: logan mcminn mcminn@mail.idt.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000
Subject: Re: Photographing Glass???

Go to your library or a bookstore and get a copy of "Light: Science and Magic" by Fil Hunter and Paul Fuqua, published by Focal Press. It has a really excellent chapter on how to light glassware to best effect. it isn't a cookbook, but works from first principles. Once you've studied the chapters, you'll have plenty of ideas to try out.

....


rec.photo.technique.people
From: bobcoscarelli bob@coscarelli.com
Date: Sat Mar 24 2001
[1] Re: soapsuds shoot

Bob,

A skim light is a general term for a light source that hits a subject from an oblique angle and/or "rakes" the light across it. Your snoot is a "point" light source that will create small specular highlights on reflective subjects such as as bubbles. If you try to light the bubbles with your snoot you will probably create a multitude of these small specular highlight but you won't create much "shape" to the bubble surfaces. Another approach would be to light your photo with softer, broader "soft box" or "bank light". A larger light source such as this will create much larger, sexier looking highlights in the bubbles. As Eric stated earlier, you'll still want to use a darker backdrop so your bubble highlights contrast nicely against it. A good illustration of this lighting approach can be seen in most any automobile ad. Cars (like your bubbles) are highly reflective and require large, soft light sources to reflect into the large convex body panels and chrome. These large highlights articulate the shape of reflective surfaces much better than point light sources...Hope this helps...

bobC

Bob Rossi wrote:

> Eric, thanks for the suggestion. What is a "skim" light? Will a strobe  and
> snoot work?
>
> Thanks, Bob


From Contax Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [CONTAX] some help???

I have no idea what Verethane is. To make food shiny we always used glycerin, available at any pharmacy.

Bob

...


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001
From: Philippe Tempel ptempel@home.com
Subject: [Rollei] Color balanced flourescent lighting

I read a nice page on using fluorescent lighting in a studio. The guy who wrote it was using it for video, but it should do equally well for photo applications. I didn't know that the newer balasts were quiet and didn't have flicker problems. Here's the web page that describes the lighting:

http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/FL-Lights.htm

I'm thinking about going to Home Depot and getting the decent quality 2x4' ceiling lighting (for about $55.00) and get the 3500K GE bulbs from a lighting store (~$6.00 ea or $24.00 for 4) and then come up with a frame to hold the light on a stand. The PVC pipe idea the guy has is nice. Maybe a simple wood frame would do the job as well. Overall a nice, low cost soft light for portraits or still life stuff. If I could build or find a low cost 3500K spot light, then I would be all set! :-)


From Rollei mailing list;
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001
From: Philippe Tempel ptempel@home.com
Subject: [Rollei] Strobe recommendation

I've been reading the great web site that photographer Scott Smith has set up (http://www.lightingmagic.com/) over the last two days. I think I've learned the most about lighting and usage tachniques from his site so far. I like his recommendation to use a translucent light panel and a strobe with barn doors instead of the usual umbrella or softbox for the primary (main) light. So, for the portrait and still-life folks, what kind of strobes and other tools do you use? The only problem with the strobes is that they can get fairly expensive (depending on brand and accessories). I like the idea of hot lights, but they get too hot for portraits and gels. I probably wouldn't want to touch barn doors that have been on a quartz halogen light turned on for a while either... ;-(


Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001
Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.nature
From: "Scott Elliot" selliot@direct.ca
Subject: Re: What is the best tripod head for wildlife?

Alan Justice" a.justice@worldnet.att.net wrote

> I never used a ball head, so I don't understand how you can use one for
> tracking a bird in flight.  You can loosen the horizontal movement  alone,
> but then you can't aim higher or lower.  If you loosen the ball, then  you
> can aim up or down, but then won't the camera then be prone to fall on  its
> side?  I've used a pan/tilt, where I can loosen 2 of the 3 dimensions,  and a
> Whimberly, which is great.
>
> -Alan Justice

You can adjust the tension on the ball head so that the camera will move when you want it to, but not flop if you let it go. It will not pan as smoothly as a Wimberly.

On the other hand, the tripod must be set up so the head is level, or the horizon will tilt as you pan with a pan/tilt head or Wimberly. (You can leave the tripod mount ring on the lens loose to compensate.) With a ball head you can keep the horizon level as you pan, regardless of whether the horizon is level or not.

There is also a compromise avaiable with a ball head. Mount the lens tripod mount on the ball head and flop the ball completely over in the slot so that it is in the horizontal position. Loosen the tripod mount on the lens and turn the camera so the horizon is level. Loosen the the pan knob on the ball head. You can now pan the ball head. Up and down movement is by the ball turning in the rest position. The lens cannot flop to the side because it is already all the way over. If you have a reasonably balanced lens and camera, you will not need much tension on the ball to keep it from swinging up or down if you let go.


This is NOT as good as a Wimberly, but it can be a useable alternative for panning quickly moving subjects. As mentioned before, the tripod must be level to keep the horizon level while panning.

Scott Elliot
Kelowna, B.C.


Date: Wed, 30 May 2001
From: Lisa Horton geek@gatorgames.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Very Light Ball Head

Faced with the same question, the answer I found was a Velbon magnesium ballhead. The PH263mg supports 11lbs, so it should work well for your requirements. Now a medium price ballhead like this isn't going to give Arca-Swiss any competition, but it holds my (heavier) rig firmly, doesn't shift when locking down, moves smoothly and weighs < 1 lb with QR clamp (again Velbon magnesium). The QR plates are low profile and very light. They are reinforced with steel at the clamping point. I find it a great match for my CF tripod.

B&H; carries the magnesium PH263, but not in a QR version. They do carry the QR clamp and plates separately though. If you can find it, I strongly reccomend the QR version.

Note that Velbon makes this and a couple of other ballheads in both magnesium and regular versions, it's only the magnesium versions that are super light.

Lisa

MarkTuccillo wrote:

> To lighten my hiking load, I replaced my Manfrotto 3001 with a Slik 804
> CF. It is very light, but my Manfrotto 3265 pistol grip ball head weighs
> about as much. Any recommendations for a very light ball head. I need to
> support a max of about 7 pounds.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark


Date: Mon, 28 May 2001
From: mpphoto@nospam.forme
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Slik U212+Mamiya TLR?

Tony Polson tony.polson@btinternet.com wrote:

>"FRANKEE" frankee@att.net wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used the above combo? The spec sheet at Slik's site says it
>> should support the camera without a problem. I like the idea of a light
>> tripod to carry around instead of a heavy lunker  Thanx- F.
>
>If you already have the Slik tripod, just try it.  If you are
>considering buying the tripod, think again.  I would not choose to
>entrust the stable support of any camera to a Slik tripod; I have owned
>several tripods from Slik, Velbon and others over the years and they are
>worth little in terms of stable support.
>
>Look instead at the Bogen 3001; I would not normally recommend it for
>medium format but for the near-concentric load of a TLR, and the short
>extension needed to support a tall camera, the 3001 could be enough.
>And it's a lot lighter than the 3021 I would normally recommend.
>
>And at B+H prices, the 3001 is a *steal*.
>
>--
>Tony Polson

The Bogen 3001 is a great choice if you really like bending over and crouching. It is a ridiculously short tripod for male users, and i'm not talking about Shaquille O'Neal. The 3011 is just barely adequate, which is why everyone hops straight to the 3021 legs.

For the same money, a Tiltall Professional would do a much better job, and an older U212 with metal legs would be even better. If you want to compromise, get the newer plastic U212 and a Bogen 3025 or 3029 head. I've tried this with Slik and other used tripod models and it works out quite well. Since no one tripod will cover every job, a combo of light and heavy legs plus one or two basic heads gives the user a number of options and can be compiled for around $100 bucks on the used market. Build into the Bogen system later when you have more dough (and bigger biceps).

Maybe it's just me, but i'm a stickler about working height. Any tripod that requires more than 4 to 6 inches of center post extension is trouble in windy conditions.

mpphoto


From Leica Topica Mailing List;
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001
From: Jim Brick jim_brick@agilent.com
Subject: Re: contest..crritique...thanks

George Allen wrote:

>Wow! It sure is great to know that I have a lot of hwlpful friends on
>the list!
>
>Many thanks for all of the suggestions in regard to getting a good car
>photo.  My son and I will try them in the near future and will repost
>the resulting photos.
>
>Thanks again
>
>George

Having personally known (still do actually) some "car" photographers, most of the advice given so far is valid, with one exception. Most car photographs are taken "before" sunrise. During morning twilight, there is a glow of even light. Obviously not on a cloudy or foggy day. Before sunrise on a clear day. And usually in the desert or on the coast (ocean or lake).

Jim


Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001
From: "Joseph Meehan" sligojoe@hotmail.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Subject: Re: Photographing interiors - advice required

A friend who is an interior designer has offered to let me use their home to practice on I want to waste the minimum of film.

Try "Professional Interior Photography by Michael G. Manual of Interior photography Harris; Amazon has it."

You can also go to the library and get a number of books on decorating and get ideas. Don't skimp of film at this time and don't worry about quality film or processing for the first few rolls. I suggest you start with your own home. You don't need a great home to teach yourself the basics. Do that before going to your friends home so you are better prepared to do well there.

BTW when done photograph your friend's home,select the ones you like best and ask your friend what they think. It may be a humbling experience, but it is part of learning.

I am going to use a combination of the Canon 17-35mm F2.8L and the Tokina 28-70mm F2.6~F2.8

I would expect that 90% will be with the 17-35mm. Hint here, use wide angle for everything except shots of some specific detail. The wide angle tends to make a room look larger than life. Just be very careful about distorting when not shooting exactly on a horizontal level.

I have a canon flash, the 540, and a number of smaller flash units with slave adapters.

Doing it right would use every flash you have and then some. Lighting is extremely important and difficult. It is especially difficult when trying to use small flash without large modeling lights. As a side note, watch out for the different color temperature of room lights, flash and sun light.

Keep at it, there is a lot to learn. I would rate this as one of the most difficult areas to even do OK in.

--
Dia 's Muire duit
Joe M


From: Andrei.Calciu@hn.va.nec.com
Subject: [Rollei] Super tripods
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 

Folks,

I have discovered a superb tripod that is very versatile and light. It is
made by Pentacon and was intended for use with both their 35 mm and medium
format cameras. It can hold a Pentacon 6 with a 300 mm lens or a Praktica
with the normal lens. The legs can be positioned independently. Further,
the legs come in pieces. You can use the tripod for up to about 4 feet or
so in height as they come, or you can remove part of the legs and the
remainder is usable as a (fairly large) table top tripod.

I can email pictures to those interested. I love this tripod so much that I
bought two of them. on Ebay they seem to sell for about 150-160 bucks, as
apparently more than one person has realized the quality within.

Andrei D. Calciu (VA-4270)

From: Rollei@davidmorton.org To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: RE: [Rollei] New tripod discussion Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 Roy Dunn wrote: "Uniloc: http://www.uniloc.fsnet.co.uk/ Hakuba Carbon: http://www.velbon.com" Agree with both of those, The Uniloc's a significant improvement on the Benbo, although a friend's description of deploying a Benbo as "wrestling an amorous octopus" still applies. My Velbon 3 section carbon fibre was a great buy too. I use it with the large Leica B&S; head. I'm getting a Berlebach U17 http://www.berlebach.de/produkte/stative/uni/e_uni.html#modelle7 soon to use mainly with my 5x4 and 10x8 kit. Large format cameras - even metal technical ones - seem to belong on a wooden tripod, and I wouldn't dream of putting my new (to me) 1926 Eastman 2D on a metal one. :-) -- David Morton dmorton@journalist.co.uk
From: "Tom Bloomer" bloomer@/"NoSpam>"/snip.net> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: dropping prices of med fmt gear.. Re: ATTN: R MONAGHAN Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 Yes, you are correct. I am thinking like an advanced amateur. In a studio environment, production work flow is the most important factor. In fact the last company that I worked for is now in the process of converting their studio to a complete digital work flow. They will spend about $0.5Million to accomplish the effort. I am a network architect by trade, and I worked as a technical advisor to the photo department when they were planning the conversion. They are dumping their film processor, Sinar 4x5 and 8x10 large format systems and their Hasselblads to move in to a complete digital work flow. They should be totally digital in about 2 or 3 more years . . . making the entire transition over a period of about 6 years. They will likely be restaffing as well because it is easier to hire new "digital photographers" than it is to retrain their existing staff. To their advantage is the fact that they will significantly reduce their time to market for their catalogs and flyers. They have already invested $400,000 in a "digital asset management system" - a server farm with dedicated terabyte disk and tape robot storage capacity and an on-line digital image catalog and work flow tracking system. Once they get there they will have invested almost $1million. In addition they already employ a full time staff of IT professionals like me to keep their LAN, WAN, PCs, mainframe and associated systems up and running. They have significantly added to their IT expertise requirements and increased their support and maintenance spending for proprietary software designed to integrate manage the new technology. How many studios can afford to make that kind of investment? Even if the cost comes down by an order of magnitude? There is a lot more complexity to a total digital photo environment than one sees at first glance. The photographer has to learn about the technical aspects of networking, storage, digital photo editing and retouching, or one has to hire that expertise and rely on a vendor to deliver results. Working as a network architect and systems integrator, I have seen the pain first hand. For the big ad-agencies and high production studios, the time savings in the work flow may justify the TCO (Total Cost of Ownership). But what about the mom & pop studios? What about the freelancer? The learning curve is very steep and the technology to compete with film is very expensive. It is less expensive to buy a high end CCD scanner like the Imacon or the Nikon 8000 then it is to purchase a digital camera system to replace your film technology investment. How many small studios and independent photographers will choose to take this route first? Bottom line, do you really think film will disappear in 5 years? -- Tom Bloomer Hartly, DE "radiojohn" yeahsure@nospam.invalid> wrote > 16MP does not even begin to capture the amount of detail in medium format > transparency film. It may match or surpass 35mm, but to think that it will > match medium format is ridicules. What the digital industry is hoping is > that we drop our standards to accommodate their technology before they > approach the capability of film. But you are forgetting that many of the images shot with these "new" digital cameras are ending up as very small images in catalogs and folders. The practical consideration is that the current backs and cameras are getting the job done faster and cheaper. This has nothing to do with fine art, lines per millimeter, film area, etc. Obviously the current gear is not designed for the big wedding portrait. But for ever one of those, there are thousands of small images shot for some Wal-Mart throwaway insert. In short, you are thinking like an advanced amateur, whose needs are totally apart from many pro needs. John
From: "Mark Blackwell" av8r@cobweb.net> Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: building a studio light system Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 Well the first test of my florescent light system was a successful in many regards. The color temp was fine. The lab had to do nothing to color correct the negatives. I loved the quality of the light. It was a very soft light without any diffuser needed. Being on constantly makes it easier for me. You see what you get is a plus without the heat of halogen. My only problem is how to mount them. The first method was hardly a long term solution. I build a wooden box with a hardboard back that will hold 2 2 bulb fixtures 48 inches long. I have another one to build tomorrow. Now I have to figure out how get them elevated a few feet, and ideally pivot. The boxes themselves are about 53 inches tall and they do way a bit. Would like to be able to get them above a models head height (not over them directly) and ideally adjust the angle Any ideas would be welcome. -- Mark Blackwell http://www.aviatorsonestop.com
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 From: Michael Vanecek mike@mjv.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Tripod Bushing... Does anyone in the States have any 1/4" to 3/8" bushings handy? I could get one from Adorama for $3.00, but shipping will be twice that. USPS is fine with me on such a tiny item... Just got my autobellows today and it only has the larger hole - I assume the 3/8". I've been using the smaller hole (1/4"?) on my old 500C with my Bogen 3028 til now. Alternatively, if there's something you know that I could use from a hardware store, let me know. I'd hate to have to get a new head just for that... Cheers, Mike -- http://dotfile.net/ - Dedicated to Open Source Software
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: Re: Home Studio Lighting How-To Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 > I would like to setup a home photographic studio on a minimal budget. > Are there any references (books, websites, etc) that you can recommend > that will provide enough technical and practical information to get > started? > The z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com has a lot of old posts about simple and elegant lighting on a budget, including free (open garage door, shoot at an angle) or near free, (since most portraits are verticle anyway, bounce your flash off a side wall) and then to get really technical and archain, I have some bizarre articles that talk about why traditional lighting in studios got started, why it really sucks and looks so artificial, and what to do about it. the simple way to join is to send a blank email to z-prophoto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com but to search and read the old posts you'll have to go to the yahoogroups.com site and register as a user and then get to z-prophoto pages.
From: "Tom Bloomer" bloomer@snip.net> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: With Flash, Does shuetter speed matter? Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 >>Flashes range in duration, but some are as slow as 1/400th. At full power, the Quantum Q-Flash T and T2 are 1/300th, and the Metz 60 series is only 1/200th. Both are too slow for a 35mm focal-plane shutter that synchs at 1/250th. 1/300th is barely within the speed of a leaf shutter at 1/250th. In addition, you can't stop action with a flash duration that slow. The flimsy little Sunpak 120J (GN 150) has a full power duration of 1/600th. One of my complaints is that the flash manufacturers don't make you aware of this limitation. To my knowledge, the only high-power (GN 160 or better) flash with a short duration is the Norman 200C or 400B. Both of those are 1/900th at full power, but they have absolutely no automatic controls. Quantum is the ONLY flash unit that displays the flash duration with each power setting. Life's a bitch! -- Tom Bloomer Hartly, DE
From: wiltw@aol.com (Wilt W) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 20 Nov 2001 Subject: Re: With Flash, Does shuetter speed matter? Might be a dumb question, but it's definitely a MF question since most 35mm gear syncs just at 1/60 sec. At least anything I owned did. I know of course that aperature matters, but does shutter speed? I mean light travels so damn fast I think that a subjuct at 1/30th of a sec and one at 1/300th of a sec would look the same given the same aperature and flash strength. And that being the case, why not always take flash pictuters with the highest shutter speed possible? I guess my real question is, how long does the flash pulse last? If it only lasts 1/1000 of a second then any shutter speed will do. Any thoughts?>> Gee, you got a lot of replies, but often the reply does not particularly relate to your question! Let me try... If electronic flash lasts 1/400, with a leaf shutter camera you need to keep the speed SLOWER than 1/400 so that the open shutter gets all the light the flash puts out! If the electronic flash lasts 1/10000, with a leaf shutter you can use ANY shutter speed and get all the light that it puts out. If you use flash with ambient light, the shutter catches two sources of light...the flash and the ambient. So a nearby subject lit by the flash is properly exposed, but the background may be too dark because of its low light level not being captured by too fast of a shutter speed (like 1/250). So you use a slow speed to brighten the dark background, or a fast shutter speed to make the dim background stay dark in the photo. If you use a focal plane shutter camera, the shutter curtains opens a narrow slit and then moves the slit across the film to expose the frame. So the flash is not putting out light during the entire esposure. One piece of the film gets 1/500 exposure (for example) with the flash outputting during that time. But it takes a lot longer for that slit to move entirely across the film, so the flash only shows up along a short segment of its travel across the film and a bright slit in the middle of the frame results, and everything else is poorly exposed. When the focal plane shutter is used at 1/60 (or whatever the X synch speed for that shutter is), the shutter curtain is totally open, and it is not merely a moving slit. So the flash exposure strikes the entire frame, not just a slit. So a focal plane shutter MUST be used at the X synch speed or SLOWER. If you use focal plane camera with flash as well as with ambient light, the shutter catches two sources of light...the flash and the ambient. So a nearby subject lit by the flash is properly exposed, but the background may be too dark because of its low light level not being captured by too fast of a shutter speed (like 1/250). So you use a slow speed to brighten the dark background, or a fast shutter speed to make the dim background stay dark in the photo. But you need to ensure that the focal plane shutter is a X synch or slower, in this situation, or the problem with the slit exposure shows up. That's why leaf shutter cameras are more prevalent with pros shooting weddings or portaits outdoors with synchro-sun flash fill...the flexibility of shutter speed which can be used. --Wilt
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Subject: RE: Getting a completely black background Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 From: "Michael Waldron" mwaldron@cadogan.net> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Hi- I had a similar problem, but ended up shooting with the background angling backwards and with slight side lighting (rather than straight on for "beauty shots"). That way, most light relfecting off the background went away from the camera (hope the diagram below works -- S is subject): \ \ \ \ S \ ^ \ | light camera Michael Waldron -----Original Message----- From: Daniel K. Lee [mailto:daniel@dklimages.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Getting a completely black background I've been shooting some portraits with black Savage seamless paper - I use a one light (softbox) setup and am limited by space in that the studio I have is relatively small. THe subject is approximately 3 feet in front of the backdrop and the light is apprx 3.5 feet in front of the subject.... and no matter how I work the lighting ratio, the backdrop always looks dark grey and not JET black...has anyone had this problem before and if so what was your remedy? Daniel Sharookh Mehta at first@vsnl.com wrote: > Won't the filter get in the way of the viewfinder..careful. > Sharookh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DKFletcher@aol.com> > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 > Subject: Cokin's on XPan??? > >> Has anybody tried using a Cokin A holder on an Xpan with 45mm lens? I'm > sure >> the larger P size would work but the smaller one would be easier for > grads. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dirk
From: Les Meehan les.meehan@zone2tone.co.uk> To: "'hasselblad@kelvin.net'" hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: RE: Getting a completely black background Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 Daniel If you place 'black' paper/card, a Kodak gray card and white paper/card in direct light e.g like your setup straight on lighting and meter each paper you will find 'black is acutally only two stops darjker than the gray card and the white paper is only two stops lighter than the gray card. In zone tems you have gray card zone V, 'black paper' on zone III and 'white paper' on zone VII. Therefore, the 'black' is only dark gray and the 'white' is only light gray even though your eyes tell you differently. In your lighting setup you have two options if the distance between the subject and background cannot be changed, 1. Change the background to velvet or 2. Move the light source closer to the subject and alter your exposure (close aperture or reduce flash power ratio). Moving the light closer to the subject will increase the fall-off to the background and hence darken it. Obviously you get more light on the subject. No. 2 is the easiest option and the cheapest. Regards Les Meehan www.zone2tone.co.uk Lancs, UK -----Original Message----- From: Daniel K. Lee [SMTP:daniel@dklimages.com] Sent: 07 September 2001 17:53 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Getting a completely black background I've been shooting some portraits with black Savage seamless paper - I use a one light (softbox) setup and am limited by space in that the studio I have is relatively small. THe subject is approximately 3 feet in front of the backdrop and the light is apprx 3.5 feet in front of the subject.... and no matter how I work the lighting ratio, the backdrop always looks dark grey and not JET black...has anyone had this problem before and if so what was your remedy? Daniel ...
From: "Charlie Goodwin" cgoodwin@conknet.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: Re: Getting a completely black background Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 Reply-to: hasselblad@kelvin.net Daniel, Try black velvet. Keeping it clean is a hassel, but it might get you closer to absolute black. Also an eggcrate grid over your softbox to keep the light on the subject, especially using light hard in from the side and scrim the background. Or bring the light in close to the subject...from the side would be best, as close as you can, and torque it away from the background, so it's facing the camera mostly and just skimming the subject, and hardly putting anything on the subject. Not a very efficient use of your watt seconds or watts...but might help. Charlie Subject: Getting a completely black background > I've been shooting some portraits with black Savage seamless paper - I use a > one light (softbox) setup and am limited by space in that the studio I have > is relatively small. THe subject is approximately 3 feet in front of the > backdrop and the light is apprx 3.5 feet in front of the subject.... > > and no matter how I work the lighting ratio, the backdrop always looks dark > grey and not JET black...has anyone had this problem before and if so what > was your remedy? > > > Daniel ...
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 Subject: Re: Studio set up From: "Peter G. Walker" peter@peterwalker.com To: Syed Noor Hossain snh@terra.com.br, hasselblad@kelvin.net Syed, Over the years I have put together many studios in small spaces. The smallest that you can get away with, if you want to do full-length standing portraits with a reasonable length lens (say 120 to 150mm in MF) is 8 meters long by 4 meters wide and 2.5 meters high. Any smaller and you are limiting the type of shots you can do. An extra meter or two in all three dimensions would be better. I use the Elinchrom studio lights (www.elinchrom.com). They are flash but with a modelling bulb. For a while I managed with two and used an old portable flash with a slave trigger as the 3rd light. Now I have 5 and although I often only use one or two, having the flexibility to add a light without having to move one is helpful. For backdrops, I have a mixture of homemade and purchased backdrops (www.lastolite.com). For white, black and grey, you can have someone with a sewing machine make a large 3 meter by 7 meter rectangle of fabric with a 10 cm loop at both ends. The reason that you can get away with sewing this together is (a) you will use lighting effects to either white-out or blacken then background and (b) it will be so far behind the depth of field as to be completely blurred. Then, any simple pole system can be used to suspend the backdrop. The same system will work with the Lastolite drops. Until you decide whether you want to invest in the professional stuff, you can make most things yourself cheaply. Barn doors and snoots for the lights can be made from sheets of tin (not cardboard as lights get really hot). Reflectors can be made from sheets of foam-core. You'll need a collection of props, chairs, etc, but your imagination and some scrummaging in markets can take care of that. Regards Peter Email: peter@peterwalker.com URL: http://www.peterwalker.com Syed Noor Hossain at snh@terra.com.br wrote: > Thanks. You have always been very helpful and positive. I love your > contributions which are always appropriately spiced. The small studio space > I mentioned is currently available. Eventually, as I gain experience, I > would like to move into a much bigger space with optional space for terrace > for outdoor shots. I am still vague about the lighting. I visited a large > studio where the photographer had modeling lights with what looked like > built-in strobes. I presume these are different from the big and hot flood > lights. > > I am sorry if I sound a little naive in studio photography. I suppose I > ought a study a bit before I venture into buying the studio equipment. By > the way, what should be the ideal size of a studio, if space is not a > problem? I never thought of dumping place for junks, etc. > > Syed > > > > >> Dear Syed, >> >> If it is serious advice you want, press the delete key now....No, wait, >> I promise to tell the truth. >> >> For your backdrop the big ol' rolls of Colorama paper are very nice - >> you can get small or large and if you have a 10 foot wide room you might >> just be able to fit in a biggie if you suspend it off the wall. Otherwise >> you can use a small tripod and bar system like that marketed by INKA to >> suspend a smaller one. This would be fine for upper torso and head and >> shoulders work. >> >> You can search the net or your copy of SHUTTERBUG to find painters and >> dyers of muslin who can supply cloth backdrops. We have a local woman in >> Collie, West Australia who makes cotton drops in a dozen different colours >> with a mottled pattern. The advantage for us is that her prices are half of >> those imported from the USA. I suspect that if you have access to a backyard >> and a washingmachine, you can RIT dye your own drop and save a bundle. On >> second thought, make that someone elses's washing machine.... >> >> For light stands you can't go past Manfrotto if you have the money or >> the cheaper Photax or INKA if you don't. Put some Photax tungsten lights >> onto them ( Be prepared for heat and blown light globes ) or search the USA >> advertisements for cheaper AC studio flashes. I would recommend Elinchrom or >> Prolinca but I do not know your budget. >> >> In any case you are unlikely to need more than 3 lights and a few >> reflectors in your small studio. Get a medium reflector, two small >> reflectors, a white umbrella, and a couple of honeycombs. You can make your >> own polystyrene flats and cardboard flags as you go along. Hint: If you need >> cheapo stands for flags try the local junk or pawn shop and look for old >> music stands. They won't hold heavy lights but they will hold lighter items. >> >> Remember the electric flex and a couple of splitter boards. >> >> Then you can start looking for a chair and a posing rail and some >> drapes. I recommend IKEA for the two former items and a discount fabric >> store for the latter. >> >> One thing you cannot buy but will need more of as you go on - space. You >> will be amazed how you can junk out any available space with more and more >> studio accessories and props. You will know you have reached saturation >> point when you find yourself stacking the stuffed crocodile on top of the >> log cabin. >> >> Oh, and the EEE sential feature of the studio. A coffee pot that works >> and a cookie jar. >> >> Uncle Dick
From: "Stein" stein@bekkers.com.au> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: Re: Getting a completely black background Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 Dear Dan, They are all telling the truth - move your light in a little, direct it with a honeycomb, snoot, or doors, use a higher synch sped to eliminate any contribution from ambient or spill light, and use black velvet. I have tried all but the last - the local discount fabric store sells velvet but at a price that looks like the national debt. They did have a good line of wide black broadcloth and I settled on this as a drop. Two lengths sewn side-by-side and enough out the front for a floor. This has the advantage of being lighter in weight than velvet and darker in colour than paper while still allowing people to walk over it. Feet marks are inevitable but you can eliminate a lot of it by making a fuss and a game of shoe cleaning when the sitters arrive. Note: white paper and people in chain mail boots is a sad combination - but you can cut up the paper roll after the sitters leave and frame it as modern art. Have you thought to look round your studio and study the walls? I kept wondering why I was getting more fill than I wanted and the occasional weird flare when I moved in to take 3/4 portraits with my beloved 120 Makro. I sat with the negs over a light box for an hour and canvassed all possibilities from slipped lens elements to stray sequins in the lenshood. Belly dancers shed worse than sheepdogs. You find sequins and bits all over the furniture and whenever you go into the bathroom with bare feet you are sure to tread on a damn glass bead. I dread cleaning out the S-bend in the sink.... I digress. The odd nature of the flare seemed to follow the contours of the backdrop and I decided in frustration to reset the lights and camera and try to reproduce the mess. In the end I resorted to putting my head where the camera was and squinching down my eyes into the back of the 120 lenshood and firing the flashes. The culprit, in combination with my own unobservant nature, was a framed print on the wall with a highly reflective glass front. Set the main light just in the wrong spot and it made a 2-cushion shot right onto the spot on the backdrop where it was not wanted. Drape a black cloth over the print and the problenm disappeared. I am not going to repaint the walls in black as I do like to use them as fill reflectors for many shots, but I will definitely drape them for some setups when I do not want them to contribute their opinion! Uncle Dick
From: "Stein" stein@bekkers.com.au> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: Re: Studio set up Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 Dear Syed, Peter Walker pointed out a very good thing - indeed a number of very good things. The part of his post that I thought was best was when he advised you to try making some of the smaller accessories yourself. This is spot-on. I think some of the best ideas I have ever seen in other people's studios and darkrooms have been the ideas that they cobbled together with mounting board, gaffer tape, and Tupperware containers. I have done the same myself whenever I couldn't afford a professionl bit of gear or needed to solve a mechanical or optical problem on the spot. To wit: 1. The barn doors for my lights. Believe Peter when he cautions you about heat on cardboard. I tried to make doors from mounting board and damn near burned up Chicago, so to speak. I resorted to a couple of aluminium cookie sheets on metal hinges and they worked fine. Note: beware epoxy glues and heat - they can come unstuck. Rivets. 2. I needed to increase the draw on the bellows of my enlarger when making cartes de visite from large negatives. I cut holes in the top and bottom of a 4 x 5 sheet film box and taped it to the enlarger and lens. Looked horrible but worked fine. 3. Cardboard flags on secondhand music stands as per earlier post. 4. Product table from a defunct drawing board and some plastic sheeting. Now I still have not tried my pet projects - crocheting a 100cm softbox for the electronic flash or manufacturing my own Polaroid film packs - but then we must have plans for the future or we will grow dull. Uncle Dick
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 Subject: Re: Getting a completely black background From: "Peter G. Walker" peter@peterwalker.com> To: "Daniel K. Lee" daniel@dklimages.com>, hasselblad@kelvin.net> Daniel, Black velvet works really well. I know that it is expensive but if you are going to do a lot of black background shots, it is a good investment. All the other approaches will work but, with limited space, you'll always be fighting the light problems on black paper. Black cotton might be a compromise - then you can use the seamless paper as a light sink between the flash and the background. Useless sidebar: A few years I lived in India and, for some reason, velvet was really cheap - about 1/4 of the price anywhere else. So I had a curtain shop make up two lined velvet backdrops (7m x 3m and 3m x 3m). Labour cost was about $5 US. They still serve me well (see the first image of my website at http://www.peterwalker.com) Regards Peter Email: peter@peterwalker.com URL: http://www.peterwalker.com Daniel K. Lee at daniel@dklimages.com wrote: > I've been shooting some portraits with black Savage seamless paper - I use a > one light (softbox) setup and am limited by space in that the studio I have > is relatively small. THe subject is approximately 3 feet in front of the > backdrop and the light is apprx 3.5 feet in front of the subject.... > > > and no matter how I work the lighting ratio, the backdrop always looks dark > grey and not JET black...has anyone had this problem before and if so what > was your remedy? > > > Daniel
From: Patrick Bartek bartek@intermind.net> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: From color Blads to Studio Set up Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 Syed Noor Hossain wrote: > [snip] > Can I move on to an old issue and ask your advise? I am a serious amateur > and want to set up a studio for occasional portrait and still life > photography. > > I am currently doing outdoor photography, mostly nature, and using a 201F > body, and 110F/2 and C40T*/4 lenses in the medium format. On the 35mm side, > I use a Nikon digital D1with wide angle, macro and telephoto zoom lenses. My > room size for studio is 10'x15'. You've got better equipment than when I started my professional career almost 30 years ago. What did I have? 2 Pentax bodies (an H3v and a Spotmatic), 3 screw mount lenses -- 28, 50, 100 Takumars (no multicoating back then) -- and a Mamiya C220 with an 80mm lens. > I would like to make a modest investment on background screen and studio > lighting, etc. Could some of you suggest me a package with brand name of > products and approximate cost? Once before I raised this in the forum but > didn't get adequate feedback. May be the topic is old and boring and lacks > color! I've read the many recommendations that you have received, but before you buy anything, I recommended that you read every book your public or university library has on photographic lighting and product/portrait technique. Once you've studied the technique of lighting, you'll have a better idea of what you'll need and, more importantly, what you can do without. In any case, use the KISS principle. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Start off with one light. And it doesn't have to be flash. I started with a single 12 inch reflector and a 500 watt Photoflood lamp. I bought very little made-for-photography accessories. (I was on a shoe string budget, at the time.) I made or made do with what I could build or adapt. For example, my portrait background was an old, solid color, dark brown blanket taped to the wall. Thrown out of focus, it made a perfect background. I used military surplus parachute nylon to diffuse direct sunlight or the harsh light from my single 500 watt lamp or to make a lighting tent. Large white or foil art boards from the art supply store were used as reflectors and backgrounds. Fabrics purchased from fabric shops were also used as backgrounds or props. My most innovative project was a large softlight for product photography. (At the time, there were no ready made ones like Chimera or Photoflex.) I had no studio flash and I didn't want to use "hot" lights. They drew too much power and were uncomfortable to work with, particularly if you were shooting something that melts. I build the light by bolting several twin-tube flourescent "shop" light fixtures together, taped a cardboard frame around its perimeter, and covered the front with some parachute nylon. It put out a beautifully soft light. I later used it for single light portraits. The whole rig cost less than about $40 US. Anyway, you get the idea. Start simple and build on that as you gain experience. You don't need to spend a lot of money to make good photographs. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net
From: "rstein" rstein@bigpond.net.au> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: Re: [HUG] Starter Studio Lighting Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Dear Jim, Elinchrom. I use their monopacks in the 500 and 250 w/s versions and they function perfectly except when they don't. ( That's Irish, that is...) They go off regularly unless the temperature of the studio gets over 38 degrees Celsius then they go odd. They also go off reliably except when the PC cords decide to take a holiday. It helps if you loop the cord up over the back handle before leading it down the the camera or radio receiver. Occasionally they arc over inside with a report like a pistol shot but this is good for loosening up the models. Don't worry, it won't happen till after the warrantee period finishes. They DO give consistent colour results and the output is closely mirrored by the modelling light. And they do have a large range of useful attachments and light shapers for the front. And in the case of my city, the agent is fairly helpful. Try one main, one fill, and one backdrop - that's 3 light stands and associated electric boards. Treat yourself to a small radio link so that you can bounce around the studio without pulling the lights over on the PC cord. tape down the power cords and wrap the lightstands with some bright yellow tape. Remember that dogs and kids have no sense of social responsibility* so make sure the backdrop is washable. Uncle Dick * This applies to high school graduates as well. Trust me on this.
From: "WILLIAMS, DAVID R. (JSC-DB) (USA)" david.r.williams2@jsc.nasa.gov> To: "'Hasselblad@kelvin.net'" Hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: [HUG] start up Studio Lighting Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 After 2+ years of investigating studio lighting equipment, I came to the conclusion that Profoto or Elinchrom was the only way to go for me. I respect and admire both product lines, but I had to choose one, and without any doubt, I picked Profoto for my needs and desires. I have (2) Compact Plus Special 600 watt mono lights, (2) Acute II - 2400 watt Power Packs (2 heads per pack) and a Pro 7B 1200 watt Portable Power Pack (2 heads). There's a lot to like about the Profoto line, the light quality, reliability, fast recycle time/flash duration, company support, accessories, etc,. Some Pro's also like that Profoto products have an auto voltage feature for world wide use and that Profoto is found in rental houses all over the world if needed. I also enjoy using the Pro 7B. It's a wonderful thing to have a 1200 watt power pack, fully portable with plenty of flashes per charge and very easy swap out of an extra battery (if needed), it has the same light quality, build quality, reliability and uses the same light shaping accessories as the other power products in the line. If I did'nt buy the Pro 7B, I would have bought the Broncolor Mobil which is a really neat product too at a much more affordable price. Best of luck!
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 Subject: Re: [HUG] Starter Studio Lighting From: george day george@rdcinteractive.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Jim, Second, third and fourth on the Elinchroms. For a starter, the 500w/s kit is all you need. Monoblocks are easy to use -- fewer cables, switches, etc. -- color consistency is second to none an these things are made to *last*. Case in point: I dragged mine all over Guatemala and Honduras (in a Pelican case, but more often than not thrown in the back of a pick-up and used in conditions so humid I practically needed a snorkel. The same kit has traveled all over the country in cargo holds, all with nary a problem. Profotos are sort of a "definitive" studio system or great if you travel to locations with a Suburban full of gear. Another great, great "starter" system that's no starter system at all: Quantum T2s. Get a pair of those, a nice selection of accessories and go for the Lumedyne minicyclers (cheaper and, I think, better built than Quantum's packs) and hit the road or studio with confidence. "rstein" rstein@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Dear Jim, > > Elinchrom. > > I use their monopacks in the 500 and 250 w/s versions and they function > perfectly except when they don't. ( That's Irish, that is...) > > They go off regularly unless the temperature of the studio gets over 38 > degrees Celsius then they go odd. They also go off reliably except when the > PC cords decide to take a holiday. It helps if you loop the cord up over the > back handle before leading it down the the camera or radio receiver. > Occasionally they arc over inside with a report like a pistol shot but this > is good for loosening up the models. Don't worry, it won't happen till after > the warrantee period finishes. > > They DO give consistent colour results and the output is closely > mirrored by the modelling light. And they do have a large range of useful > attachments and light shapers for the front. And in the case of my city, the > agent is fairly helpful. > > Try one main, one fill, and one backdrop - that's 3 light stands and > associated electric boards. Treat yourself to a small radio link so that you > can bounce around the studio without pulling the lights over on the PC cord. > tape down the power cords and wrap the lightstands with some bright yellow > tape. Remember that dogs and kids have no sense of social responsibility* so > make sure the backdrop is washable. > > Uncle Dick >
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: polarizing filters on camera in the studio Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 John Hudson wrote: > > After a recent portrait session with young Filipino lady I found that > the studio lighting slightly over accentuated the sheen on > her natural light brown tanned skin. A friend of mine has two > suggestions for me. One, for the lady to have applied a skin coloured > powder or moisturizing tissue to her face to dull the skin tone, or, > two, for me to have used a polarizing filter on camera along with a two > stop exposure correction. > Shiny skin is a symptom of a lighting problem. I've found that darker skin tones merely reveal bad lighting better than lighter skin. Consider that skin can be almost as reflective as dull finish metal, that maybe an exaggeration but treating it as such can make you a better photographer. In the old days one cure was to use a 'dulling' spray on silver ware etc, a solution not unlike powder. A polarizing filter will not help any because the shiny areas are specular highlights. The other answer was to soften the lights, the early photogs would take their flood light on a stand and wave it around for the duration of the long exposure, this was called painting with light. With flash we can spread the light out in a wide arc, similar to the spanse the flood light was waved, more importantly, similar to the effect of such nice light sources as large windows, as twilight, open shade etc. I recommend that you read the archives of the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com, way back in the first couple months I wrote some articles about why studio lighting as traditionally used aways looks like studio lighting, why photogs used this lighting in the past but don't need to anymore, and what to do about it. basically you want to spread your key light so it has an arc of 45' to 90' (that's an 1/8th to a 1/4 pie slice) and that's minimum. One commercial photogs rule was the light source should be twice the size of the objects. our 'objects' are five to six feet tall, and if doing families etc, six feet or more wide (though the typical subject seems to think they look that wide in the images presented.) so that would suggest a light source 10 to 12 feet.
From: David Grandy dgrandy@accesscable.net> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Flash diffuser opinions? Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 I love the effect of my Sto-fen. I routinely use it with my Vivitar 283 and 35 mm gear for photojournalism, especially when I'm using a 20 mm lens. The effect seems to be like bare bulb and the wide angle coverage is amazing. When I shoot weddings I use a medium format camera and a Metz 45 series flash. I have a Sto-fen for my Metz as well but use it less frequently since the single downside is that it significantly weakens the flash output. If you are looking to use something like the Pocket bounce I might suggest a trick we used to use at a newspaper. Get some adhesive Velcro and some corrugated white plastic sheets. Put the "soft" Velcro on the flash and the "hard" on a piece of the plastic. You can then use the plastic as a fill card. Since you can pretty much make these cards any size you'd like you can get something that actually works. Even a 12"x12" card would be very light and should give you a nice fill. I always find it funny watching a "shooter" use a fill the size of a playing card. They'd be in a room so big that 2400 watt seconds wouldn't give you a bounce and there's their little flash aimed up with that little tiny fill card. Their explanation was that they'd be getting a softer light from the diffusion effect of the card. Yet all a small fill card will do is weaken your flash output. The idea of a softer light requires a larger light source and these small cards remain a point source. Anyway I liked the velcro fill cards (in my pre Sto-fen days) just because there was no cost to the cards which I would be constantly losing. I'd also put Velcro on the sides of the flash and use the fill cards to flag the flash if it was off camera. Again, very cheap.
From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: High Key Vignetting Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 > > Can someone please point me to filters, lenses, a tutorial or book that > will > > enable me to produce high-key portraits with soft, disappearing edges? I > > understand how to minimize shadows or blow out the background with my > > lights. > > > > Lindahl makes a special bellows type attachment for hi key work, it is just a frame that holds a white vignette and a small slave flash underneath. The flash is often necessary to ensure that the vignette gets some exposure in an otherwise darkened camera position in a studio. Usually you try to avoid light into the lens. I've shot hi key vignettes with just a milk white plastic vignette, the 'secret' is to get some light ON the vignette so it stays white and doesn't go gray. The lindahl frame gives an advantage as it is adjustable to hold the device at an optimum position which is supposed to be a distance equal to the focal length of the lens. This reply is echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com To join send a blank email to z-prophoto-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
From: rurmonas@senet.com.au To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: [Rollei] Tripod threads was: Hello and Question Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 > WHY would they use BSW threads on the bottom of a camera, when the standard > camera tripod mount is 1/4-20? The question should be "why would they use 1/4-20 when 1/4" BSW is the standard?" The standard tripod sizes that I am aware of are: 1/4" BSW 3/8" BSW 5/8" BSW 7/8" BSW (I would like to see what uses a tripod mount this big!) I am sure there are others, and lets not forget the early metric thread tripods. I don't doubt that you are able to use a 1/4-20 bolt in a 1/4" BSW hole, but that does not make it a 1/4-20 hole. I don't have access to thread profile information on the American threads, but it seems every standard has a different thread profile, so I would be surprised if 1/4" BSW and 1/4-20 were an exact match. Richard
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us From: "Thomas A. Frank" taf@wiredwizard.com> Subject: Re: [Rollei] Tripod threads was: Hello and Question > > WHY would they use BSW threads on the bottom of a camera, when the standard > > camera tripod mount is 1/4-20? > >The question should be "why would they use 1/4-20 when 1/4" BSW is the >standard?" > >The standard tripod sizes that I am aware of are: > >1/4" BSW >3/8" BSW >5/8" BSW >7/8" BSW (I would like to see what uses a tripod mount this big!) > >I am sure there are others, and lets not forget the early metric thread >tripods. > >I don't doubt that you are able to use a 1/4-20 bolt in a 1/4" BSW hole, but >that does not make it a 1/4-20 hole. I don't have access to thread profile >information on the American threads, but it seems every standard has a >different thread profile, so I would be surprised if 1/4" BSW and 1/4-20 were >an exact match. Hello All; I think you will find that 1/4" BSW (British Standard Whitworth) is close enough to 1/4-20 UNC (Unified National Coarse) to be considered interchangeable for non-critical applications such as this (if this were an airplane, I'd think differently). The differences are out in the third decimal place, being on the order of 0.005" or less. This interchangeability is fortunate, since BSW is considered obsolete and is approaching extinction (Britain having gone metric), while the UNC should be around for a good while longer. Certainly tooling in UNC is a lot cheaper than BSW. If anyone really cares, I'll check a couple of my cameras and tripods to see which one the manufacturer actually used. Tom Frank
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us From: Marc James Small msmall@roanoke.infi.net> Subject: [Rollei] BSW versus UNC 1/4" x 20 Tripod Threads The two sizes are identical: both are exactly 1/4" by 20 turns-per-inch.= See http://mdmetric.com/thddata.htm#idx for one example: any differences are minute, to be polite -- Whitworth uses a 55=BA thread-pitch, while Unified National uses 60=BA. True Leica Thread-Mount, incidentally, is 39mm in diameter -- but has a thread of 26 turns-per-inch Whitworth. I understand this was done as Whitworth threads were the rule in microscopy until the past twenty years or so, and Leitz, of course, has always been primarily a microscope compa= ny. Marc msmall@roanoke.infi.net
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 From: Michael Vanecek mike@mjv.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net, 01A_Photography@yahoogroups.com, photographic-techniques@yahoogroups.com Subject: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disasterous, even though looking at it through the Hassy autobellows at 2x+ was really cool. I used strobes and wasted a ton of polaroids just in tweaking. Since this is self-education rather than professional, using that many polaroids is reducing the cost effectiveness of my education. On researching jewelry photography in general, I noticed that virtually all the sites I visited indicated the use of non-strobe lighting from quartz to HMI floodlights. WYSIWYG photography - I can get into that. I'd like to explore that side of lighting without losing my wallet, and still use my favorite daylight reversal film. Many of the kits I've seen are prohibitively expensive. Is there any way I can get into HMI or similar lighting without going broke doing it? I'd rather use daylight balanced lighting rather than using filters, but if filters are the way to go, suggestions are welcome... Cheers, Mike http://dotfile.net/ - Dedicated to Open Source Software
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 From: Michael Vanecek mike@mjv.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Softboxes and snoots and reflectors and scrims - the usual studio setup. Works great for regular shots, but the jewelry is much more challenging. Catching the highlights just right and getting the extra sparkle from the gemstones... I think my primary problem is the fact that I have to use polaroids to see the final outcome which is getting expensive - using something in the floodlight catagory would allow me to use less polaroids mainly because you get what you see, more or less. Strobes are superior, but floods are easier... I may even experiment with the Fuji 64T film too if daylight floods prove to be too expensive. This is primarily proof-of-concept for me so I don't want to dive in with both feet just yet. Cheers, Mike Daniel K. Lee wrote: > What kind of lighting (exact) did you use? I use strobes all the time and > have had great success - what are is uR subject? > > Michael Vanecek at mike@mjv.com wrote: > > >>Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disasterous, even though >>looking at it through the Hassy autobellows at 2x+ was really cool. I >>used strobes and wasted a ton of polaroids just in tweaking. Since this >>is self-education rather than professional, using that many polaroids is >>reducing the cost effectiveness of my education. On researching jewelry >>photography in general, I noticed that virtually all the sites I visited >>indicated the use of non-strobe lighting from quartz to HMI floodlights. >>WYSIWYG photography - I can get into that. I'd like to explore that side >>of lighting without losing my wallet, and still use my favorite daylight >>reversal film. Many of the kits I've seen are prohibitively expensive. >>Is there any way I can get into HMI or similar lighting without going >>broke doing it? I'd rather use daylight balanced lighting rather than >>using filters, but if filters are the way to go, suggestions are welcome... >> >>Cheers, >>Mike -http://dotfile.net/ - Dedicated to Open Source Software
From: "Joe Codispoti" joecodi@charter.net> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 > Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disastrous (snip) > Mike As in product photography, each item calls for different lighting techniques, and jewelry is definitely a specialized field. Small jewelry such as precious stones is best photographed with fiber optic lighting. Each facet of the item is lighted individually in a multi-exposure sequence. The angle and intensity of the light determining the pattern and degree of specular and normal highlights. By using such lighting, it is possible to visualize and verify the desired result. I have seen this done with bellows or with microscope. Other types of jewelry are best treated to tent lighting where the item is placed within a white cloth, paper, or plastic enclosure and lighted from the outside. The resulting light is very even, soft and flat. I have found that in most cases one single source of light is inadequate to render jewelry properly. Joe
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 From: Mark Rabiner mark@markrabiner.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting >{Snip} > > Other types of jewelry are best treated to tent lighting where the item is > placed within a white cloth, paper, or plastic enclosure and lighted from > the outside. The resulting light is very even, soft and flat. > > I have found that in most cases one single source of light is inadequate to > render jewelry properly. > > Joe Balcar makes a matrix like fiber optic setup to put over your strobe head to attack jewelry from a variety of angles. Although i can't now find it on their website which kind of funny. The idea being your light source is roughly the same size as the object you are photographing. Mark Rabiner http://www.markrabiner.com
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net> From: Henry Posner/B&H; Photo-Video henryp@bhphotovideo.com> Subject: [HUG] Re: Jewelry and Lighting you wrote: >Softboxes and snoots and reflectors and scrims - the usual studio setup. >Works great for regular shots, but the jewelry is much more challenging. A great deal of jewelry and flatware, etc is shot with strobes using light tents. You can see what a pre-built one looks like by entering PLCL in the search field of our home page and selecting the second item it returns. Another's at http://www02.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/215903.jpg. When I was doing this stuff I built one. All you really need is a wire frame draped with white translucent fabric. A clean bed sheet will do in a pinch. The light(s) go outside the tent and any hole or seam will let you shove the lens in. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com
From: Patrick Bartek bartek@intermind.net> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 Michael Vanecek wrote: > Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disasterous, even though > looking at it through the Hassy autobellows at 2x+ was really cool. I > used strobes and wasted a ton of polaroids just in tweaking. Since > this is self-education rather than professional, using that many > polaroids is reducing the cost effectiveness of my education. On > researching jewelry photography in general, I noticed that virtually > all the sites I visited indicated the use of non-strobe lighting from > quartz to HMI floodlights. WYSIWYG photography - I can get into that. > I'd like to explore that side of lighting without losing my wallet, > and still use my favorite daylight reversal film. Many of the kits > I've seen are prohibitively expensive. Is there any way I can get > into HMI or similar lighting without going broke doing it? I'd rather > use daylight balanced lighting rather than using filters, but if > filters are the way to go, suggestions are welcome... The first thing you want to start with is a good bookot two on general product photography. Check the library and the book stores. For jewelry, watches, highly reflective objects, etc., the basic lighting technique is the translucent "tent." The objects go on the inside, the lights on the outside with the camera looking through a hole. The tent can be either a full one: no openings except for the lens of the camera; or a partial, where there are gaps that accent the objects being photographed. Additionally, small white, grey, silver or gold reflectors can be placed inside the tent to fill and/or accent the subject(s). Most times, only a single light, usually placed at 10 or 2 o'clock, if the camera is at 6, is needed along with a few small reflectors. For a larger set or bigger items, like chrome pots and pans or silver tea service, you might need another light or two. Depends on the size of the set. I once did a watch catalogue using two matched sets and two cameras (to reduce production time): full tents, approximately 1 meter square. Most setups had 4 to 10 watches at a time, and I lit each set with only one light, plus reflectors. However, another time I did a large set for a triple panel brochure -- 11" x 24" production size -- of brass desk and business accessories. The set, a partial tent, was 1.5 x 2.5 meters. I used 3 lights -- one each, camera left and right, and one above, plus a large (1 x 2 meter) reflector at set level at the camera position, which was on a tall stand 8' high shooting almost directly down. If you're into product photography, the best advice I can give you is to read, read, read. Also, look through catalogues and try to figure out how the photographs were lit. Try to reproduce the setups you like. You can light with either strobes, tungsten or HMI, but it's cheaper to start with tungsten photofloods and a couple of 10 or 12 inch relectors: easier to see the results; no Polaroids needed. With a little practice, you can move up to strobes. They make the set a lot cooler to work in than hot lights. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 From: Michael Vanecek mike@mjv.com> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Well, I'm working backwards - all my experience is with strobes. Now I'm moving to hotlights - at least for jewelry. Jewelry photography is so different than regular product photography that it threw me for a loop. There's a difference in shooting large shiny metalic surfaces and trying to capture the sparkle of diamonds or the glow of ruby or similar gems. I can get the overall lighting down just perfect - rather than a tent I used an overhead softbox very close to the subject (just out of the frame) and used mylar and white reflectors to create highlights in the metal parts as well as black strips of paper to enhance the chrome look. On the pearls I set the necklace on a translucent surface and illuminated from under via softbox placed right under the bottom and reflected fill from above. Really brings out the translucent nature of pearls. But making the gem stones glow and sparkle is an art unto itself. I used up all my polaroids trying to get that with strobes before noticing that with the flashlight I used to help focus at high extension I could create sparkles on the whim. Being able to see it that way before I shoot is what I want currently. Hence the desire to explore continuous lighting. When I'm experienced in gemstone photography I'll hit the strobes again with it. Strobes are inherently superior in the color control and cooler operating temps. What I've gathered from further research is I need a large fill light to provide overall even illumination as per the set requirements - perhaps a pair of floodlights aimed up a a white reflector over the set - and a few little tightly focused spotlights to angle in on the facets to give me that sparkle. That's assuming I'm going for the graduated background with a shadow-box. Or I could tent the set for high-key and shine the keylights through the tent to get sparkle... It would seem that for every photographer, there's a different way of doing it depending one the desired outcome - highkey, lowkey, contrasty, non-contrasty, etc... Believe me, I've done my share of reading. I've a complete library dedicated to photography. But sometimes you've got to put the book down and shoot and make your mistakes and learn from practical application using the basics from the books as a foundation. From my experience with the past jewelry shoot - reading about it and doing it are completely different things. I'm just hoping to save on polaroids in the learning process. Cheers, Mike Patrick Bartek wrote: > Michael Vanecek wrote: > > >>Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disasterous, even though >>looking at it through the Hassy autobellows at 2x+ was really cool. I >>used strobes and wasted a ton of polaroids just in tweaking. Since >>this is self-education rather than professional, using that many >>polaroids is reducing the cost effectiveness of my education. On >>researching jewelry photography in general, I noticed that virtually >>all the sites I visited indicated the use of non-strobe lighting from >>quartz to HMI floodlights. WYSIWYG photography - I can get into that. >>I'd like to explore that side of lighting without losing my wallet, >>and still use my favorite daylight reversal film. Many of the kits >>I've seen are prohibitively expensive. Is there any way I can get >>into HMI or similar lighting without going broke doing it? I'd rather >>use daylight balanced lighting rather than using filters, but if >>filters are the way to go, suggestions are welcome... >> > > The first thing you want to start with is a good bookot two on general > product photography. Check the library and the book stores. > > For jewelry, watches, highly reflective objects, etc., the basic > lighting technique is the translucent "tent." The objects go on the > inside, the lights on the outside with the camera looking through a > hole. The tent can be either a full one: no openings except for the > lens of the camera; or a partial, where there are gaps that accent the > objects being photographed. Additionally, small white, grey, silver or > gold reflectors can be placed inside the tent to fill and/or accent the > subject(s). > > Most times, only a single light, usually placed at 10 or 2 o'clock, if > the camera is at 6, is needed along with a few small reflectors. For a > larger set or bigger items, like chrome pots and pans or silver tea > service, you might need another light or two. Depends on the size of > the set. > > I once did a watch catalogue using two matched sets and two cameras (to > reduce production time): full tents, approximately 1 meter square. > Most setups had 4 to 10 watches at a time, and I lit each set with only > one light, plus reflectors. However, another time I did a large set > for a triple panel brochure -- 11" x 24" production size -- of brass > desk and business accessories. The set, a partial tent, was 1.5 x 2.5 > meters. I used 3 lights -- one each, camera left and right, and one > above, plus a large (1 x 2 meter) reflector at set level at the camera > position, which was on a tall stand 8' high shooting almost directly > down. > > If you're into product photography, the best advice I can give you is > to read, read, read. Also, look through catalogues and try to figure > out how the photographs were lit. Try to reproduce the setups you like. > > You can light with either strobes, tungsten or HMI, but it's cheaper to > start with tungsten photofloods and a couple of 10 or 12 inch > relectors: easier to see the results; no Polaroids needed. With a > little practice, you can move up to strobes. They make the set a lot > cooler to work in than hot lights. > -- http://dotfile.net/ - Dedicated to Open Source Software
From: Patrick Bartek bartek@intermind.net> To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Jewelry and Lighting Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 Michael Vanecek wrote: > Well, I'm working backwards - all my experience is with strobes. Now > I'm moving to hotlights - at least for jewelry. Jewelry photography > is so different than regular product photography that it threw me for > a loop. There's a difference in shooting large shiny metalic surfaces > and trying to capture the sparkle of diamonds or the glow of ruby or > similar gems. I can get the overall lighting down just perfect - > rather than a tent I used an overhead softbox very close to the > subject (just out of the frame) and used mylar and white reflectors > to create highlights in the metal parts as well as black strips of > paper to enhance the chrome look. On the pearls I set the necklace on Essentially, you've built a tent, but I've found that many times having a lightbox directly overhead at a small angle to the lens-subject axis creates distracting reflections of the lightbox light surface itself that when reflected in dark surfaces like gemstones can be a very uneven, star pattern of the strobe tube itself. I prefer to have only the reflections of the light source(s) inside the tent reflect off the items. The exception being specular highlights used as accents. This is usually accomplished using small, very directed light sources INSIDE the tent. > a translucent surface and illuminated from under via softbox placed > right under the bottom and reflected fill from above. Really brings > out the translucent nature of pearls. But making the gem stones glow > and sparkle is an art unto itself. I used up all my polaroids trying Another technique to create "glow" in translucent objects is a black or dark surface -- velvet, shiny contact paper, etc. -- on your translucent, lit-from-below surface, but with small holes cut in the black covering under each stone or pearl, the holes hidden by the item itself. > to get that with strobes before noticing that with the flashlight I > used to help focus at high extension I could create sparkles on the > whim. Being able to see it that way before I shoot is what I want > currently. Hence the desire to explore continuous lighting. When I'm > experienced in gemstone photography I'll hit the strobes again with > it. Strobes are inherently superior in the color control and cooler > operating temps. To better see what the lighting is going to look like, turn off all the lights in the studio, so the strobe's modeling lights are more easily seen in the camera finder. This will save you lots of Polaroids. > What I've gathered from further research is I need a large fill light > to provide overall even illumination as per the set requirements - > perhaps a pair of floodlights aimed up a a white reflector over the > set - and a few little tightly focused spotlights to angle in on the > facets to give me that sparkle. That's assuming I'm going for the > graduated background with a shadow-box. Or I could tent the set for > high-key and shine the keylights through the tent to get sparkle... Both techniques will work. Basically with rings and such, doing one or two at a time, you're really doing macro work. Consider very small tents and sets, i.e. a 1 foot cube of translucent material. You can buy these small object tents ready made with several access ports (with translucent covers) for the lens. > It would seem that for every photographer, there's a different way of > doing it depending one the desired outcome - highkey, lowkey, > contrasty, non-contrasty, etc... Believe me, I've done my share of > reading. I've a complete library dedicated to photography. But > sometimes you've got to put the book down and shoot and make your > mistakes and learn from practical application using the basics from > the books as a foundation. From my experience with the past jewelry > shoot - reading about it and doing it are completely different > things. I'm just hoping to save on polaroids in the learning process. There comes a point the learning process when "the theory" must be applied. You can't really learn without "doing." And failing, a lot, I might add. > Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Monday 10 December 2001 09:45, Michael Vanecek wrote: > >>Well, my adventure with jewelry was fairly disasterous, even though > >>looking at it through the Hassy autobellows at 2x+ was really cool. > >> I used strobes and wasted a ton of polaroids just in tweaking. > >> Since this is self-education rather than professional, using that > >> many polaroids is reducing the cost effectiveness of my education. > >> On researching jewelry photography in general, I noticed that > >> virtually all the sites I visited indicated the use of non-strobe > >> lighting from quartz to HMI floodlights. WYSIWYG photography - I > >> can get into that. I'd like to explore that side of lighting > >> without losing my wallet, and still use my favorite daylight > >> reversal film. Many of the kits I've seen are prohibitively > >> expensive. Is there any way I can get into HMI or similar lighting > >> without going broke doing it? I'd rather use daylight balanced > >> lighting rather than using filters, but if filters are the way to > >> go, suggestions are welcome... > > > > The first thing you want to start with is a good bookot two on > > general product photography. Check the library and the book > > stores. > > > > For jewelry, watches, highly reflective objects, etc., the basic > > lighting technique is the translucent "tent." The objects go on > > the inside, the lights on the outside with the camera looking > > through a hole. The tent can be either a full one: no openings > > except for the lens of the camera; or a partial, where there are > > gaps that accent the objects being photographed. Additionally, > > small white, grey, silver or gold reflectors can be placed inside > > the tent to fill and/or accent the subject(s). > > > > Most times, only a single light, usually placed at 10 or 2 o'clock, > > if the camera is at 6, is needed along with a few small reflectors. > > For a larger set or bigger items, like chrome pots and pans or > > silver tea service, you might need another light or two. Depends > > on the size of the set. > > > > I once did a watch catalogue using two matched sets and two cameras > > (to reduce production time): full tents, approximately 1 meter > > square. Most setups had 4 to 10 watches at a time, and I lit each > > set with only one light, plus reflectors. However, another time I > > did a large set for a triple panel brochure -- 11" x 24" production > > size -- of brass desk and business accessories. The set, a partial > > tent, was 1.5 x 2.5 meters. I used 3 lights -- one each, camera > > left and right, and one above, plus a large (1 x 2 meter) reflector > > at set level at the camera position, which was on a tall stand 8' > > high shooting almost directly down. > > > > If you're into product photography, the best advice I can give you > > is to read, read, read. Also, look through catalogues and try to > > figure out how the photographs were lit. Try to reproduce the > > setups you like. > > > > You can light with either strobes, tungsten or HMI, but it's > > cheaper to start with tungsten photofloods and a couple of 10 or 12 > > inch relectors: easier to see the results; no Polaroids needed. > > With a little practice, you can move up to strobes. They make the > > set a lot cooler to work in than hot lights. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net
From: "Michael Shorts" mshorts@cisco.com> Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Photography Studio Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 The absolute best advice that I've gotten for setting up a studio on a budget was Dean Collins book on how to make lighting stands, diffusers, etc. from PVC pipe (http://www.deancollins.com/tt.html). I would, however, recommend working with 1" PVC instead of the 3/4" he recommends. You can get good results with Vivitar 283/285 flashes, which are relatively inexpensive. Michael "Mexx" Mexx@ablenet.com> wrote... > Hi Tricia, > > I really wish you could get a straight answer from some of these people. I > suspect they don't know either. > > But I will speculate, since I'm interested in the same thing....please note > however, I am not yet a working photog. > > A minimal professional setup might require: > -A good camera (medium format preferable, of course, for max. flexibility) > with a couple of good lenses > -a couple of decent lights + assoc. equipment (stands, softboxes, etc.) > -backdrops, props (if deemed necessary) > -a good computer (if doing digital work), with a great printer (if printing > in-house, or good contacts with a decent print house if outsourcing). The > computer would also be used for bookkeeping, etc. > -most important, a space to do it (this will end up being the most expensive > part I think, since it's usually an ongoing fixed cost) > -knowledge of your local taxes and business regs (esp. if working from home) > > Anyone care to add/correct me on some of this? > > Thx > Darren > > "Tricia Moran" TMoranjwc@hotmail.com> wrote... > > I am a first year student studying Photography and Digital Imaging, I > > would like people to offer me their advice on creating a photography > > studio,ie- all the items I will require and how much it will cost. > > Everyones help and advice will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks Folks.....
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Photography Studio From: "Tom Thackrey" tomnr@creative-light.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 "Mexx" Mexx@ablenet.com> wrote: snip > Anyone care to add/correct me on some of this? > > > "Tricia Moran" TMoranjwc@hotmail.com> wrote... > > I am a first year student studying Photography and Digital Imaging, I > > would like people to offer me their advice on creating a photography > > studio,ie- all the items I will require and how much it will cost. > > Everyones help and advice will be much appreciated. > > > > Thanks Folks..... I think one of the reasons you haven't been getting very 'helpful' responses is that your question is very broad. I have a friend who's studio is an old garage, he shoots with an old 8x10 that someone gave him, his light is from a skylight. On the other hand, I know a photographer who has a 3000 sq ft studio with a 30 ft ceiling, he shoots with a Hasselblad and a Sinar-P (only 4x5), he has a kitchen (for food shots) and a 30 foot light box for shooting cars. He's thinking about going digital. You might look into rental studios, most cities have them. The first thing to determine is what you are going to shoot in your studio. People? Cars? Tabletop? Food? And, for what purpose. Advertising? Catalogs? Portrait studio? >From that you need to analyze your market and determine what the market requires in terms of output. Many types of studio work are going digital. A lot of high end advertising is still done with large format transparencies. Assuming you want to shoot portraits on film- Camera - almost any camera with manual controls and a pc socket will do. Medium format is the standard. You can get good used MF cameras (Mamiya C220 for example) in the $100-200 US range. A new Hasselblad, Contax, Mamiya setup will start at about $4,000 with lenses running about $2,000 each. Meter - you will need a flash meter, a good one will be $300-500 Lights - you will need 2, 3 is better with stands and reflectors, I think a soft box is necessary for portrait work. A cheap setup will be about $2,500. You want strobes not hot lights. Camera stand - you can probably get by with a tripod ($300 with head), a studio stand would be better. Backdrops - you can probably get buy with a home made stand, rolls of seamless run around $50-100 each, pained cloth backdrops are more. Sand bags - One per light stand, more depending on the configuration of your studio. Posing seat - A kitchen stool will do. Makeup - you will need face powder (I can't remember what it's called off hand, but it kills the reflections) and a brush. Hair spray, bobbie pins Filters - if you shoot negative film you can probably get by without color correction filters. A soft focus filter is useful. Misc stuff: pc cords, cable release, power extension cords, duct tape, clothes pins, spring clamps Film storage - most pro color film wants to be kept cold so you will need a refridgerator The studio itself needs to have level floors and high ceilings. Outside light should be mostly blocked out. It should be clean and dust free. A bathroom is useful. -- Tom Thackrey tom at creative-light.com www.creative-light.com
From: ladagency@aol.com (Ladagency) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 25 Jan 2002 Subject: Re: Photography Studio 1: Determine what kind of photography you are doing. Make a list of what you need. 2: Buy Used/Used/Used - may take time to find the good deals. 3: Medium format with great lenses means a used, older Hassy with three lenses - a 65mm, an 80mm, and the 150mm. I use another brand, but do recommend the Hassy system and 6x6 (I use 6x7). 4: Keep your eye out for a Novatron 4 head power pack with switchable heads (off, -1, -2). plus Umbrellas, snoot, honeycomb, barndoors. 5: Tiffen Soft FX filters or make your own filters with fine mesh cloth. 6: Tripod, . . . invest in a good one, Sanford is the lightest and fastest to use. 7: Blow some bucks on a Master Canvas flat background and a matching/complimentary muslin, . . . cubes and a posing stand can be found cheaply enough. I found my stool for $30 and painted it white, . . . Hassy is a huge system camera so close-up, superwide, and other parts are available to buy used or as rentals, . . . but others will argue you will be paying a premium. If chromatic aberation and minor flaws are not critical, the Bronica SQA is a good choice. There are great buys in the S2 line, but the rigors of pro use relegate those cameras to serious amateurs.
From nikon mf mailing list: Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 From: "Ron Barlow" rbarlow@gru.net Subject: Re: Cheap ball head Ashok, An inexpensive product is the Canon Professional Ballhead 1 for only $60. See good reviews at photo.net in the "Tripods and Tripod Heads" section. It's solid and will work great. Save your money for a better tripod. Ron Barlow -----Original Message----- From: k_ashok_k@yahoo.com k_ashok_k@yahoo.com> To: NikonMF@yahoogroups.com NikonMF@yahoogroups.com> Date: Friday, November 02, 2001 Subject: [NikonMF] Cheap ball head >Greetings > >I am looking for a good ball head. My heaviest set up (which includes >a camera (F2As), 70-300 F4.0 Nikkor ED zoom (or a 105mm Micro Nikkor) >and a tele extender will be less than 1.5 kgs or 3.5 lbs). Tripod >legs are Bogen 3001 Pro. > >I also have a Bogen 3055 dual action heavy-duty ball head but I am >very dissatisfied with the same. When the lens is pointing down there >is creep (slight movement) after tightening the ball and because of >this it is very difficult to precisely frame the subject especially >when doing macro work. Due to this I am looking for an alternate ball >head that fits on my Bogen 3001's 3/8" stud. My budget is $100. I did >some survey on the B&H; site and finally found three ball heads that >fit my budget. These are > >Linhof Pro 1: Load capacity 7.7 lbs, no quick release, no tension >control, cost $94 >Slik Pro 800: Load capacity 7 lbs, quick release, tension control, >cost $90 >Giotto MH 1001 Medium Ball: Load capacity 17.6 Lbs, no quick release, >tension control, $90 > >As you can see all the three support my camera lens combination (in >terms of weight) so this is not a problem. Quick release is important >but I can always add a Hama quick coupler if it is not there. I am >not so sure about tension control. Is this essential? Also can I get >the same affect by tightening the ball slightly? > >I would be grateful if list members can share their personal >experiences regarding these ball heads or recommend any other ball >head that costs less than $100. > >I am leaning towards Linhof, as it is a very reputable brand, but >willing to consider others. The main criterion is that there should >be no creep after tightening the ball at any orientation of the >camera and lens. > >Also in which country is Giotto made. > >Thanks in advance for all your answers. > >Regards > >Ashok
From nikon mf mailing list: Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 From: "Mike McIsaac" mike_mcisaac@yahoo.com Subject: Re: cheap balhead > I don't know what cheap> is to you, but take a look at > http://acratech.net/prod01.htm. One of our guys bought one for himself and > brought it in last week and it's a gem. > > -- > regards, > Henry Posner > Director of Sales and Training > B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. > http://www.bhphotovideo.com Hello Henry: That is good news. I have one on order. I spoke with Scott at Acratech (he designed the ball head) and he uses Nikon equipment. Stated that he wanted a minimalist ballhead that was lightweight, strong, and easy to clean. I haven't received mine yet but after reviewing the website and speaking with Scott, I had an intuitive sense that this is something that will work and work well. BTW, Scott stated that it costs more to machine the ballhead than what he is charging at his introductory rate. If any of you don't want to pay the high prices of the "other" brands, now is a good time to order. Scott told me that the order volume is such that they are currently running two weeks from order to delivery. These are catching on. Stay focused! Mike McIsaac

From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: another open question to Zeitgeist Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 > I have just viewed some Collins videos on lighting.... and he espouses > the use of something called a "P40" screen (?) to spread mechanical > light for a more natural look. My question is this... How do "you" go > about creating that "northern light" effect when you don't have natural > northern light available.. Is Dean Collins approach viable for that type > of lighting effect? and...... where does one "find" this "P40" frame he > speaks of... or can it be made reasonably inexpensively? I'd bet that video has a couple corporate logos on it, from sponsors, and the p40 is probably the model number of a scrim made by whatever manufacturer that is footing the bill for the video. what is it westcott? or photoflex? Dean has always been open about his techniques, and his frugal approach to making stuff. He used to have a book called Tinker Tubes which gives diagrams for over a dozen studio and location lighting effects ranging from a simple scrim to a complex light bank, including one set up using one vivitar 283 to do the work of a hairlight, huge glamour light and bounce board, all using pvc pipe and discount outlet fabrics, oh yeah, there was a background stand in there too. I'm waiting for him to come out with a diagram to make your own medium format camera outta Hardware store parts. anyway, someone actually got a hold of him and got him to post his Tinker Tube book in pdf format, look up a few posts on your newsreader as it was posted a few days ago. If you are in a studio, or room in your house whatever, you can hang a curtain of thin translucent fabric, rip stop nylon, shower curtain liner, slip liner, go to a garden supply and get some floating row cover, aka garden cover, and just hang it like a curtain. Dean's method was to take two pieces of ten foot pvc pipe, cut it into 6.5/3.5 foot sections and clip the fabric over it. The advantage of the commercial flats is that they have a shock cord threaded and the fabric has fitted corners so you can assemble them in less that a minute. the whole point is to make your concentrated light source, whether its a small reflector, larger bowl reflector, an umbrella etc, seem like a much larger light source. I have advocated a 12 foot light source, Dean demos a six foot one, however in dean's example the subject is usually a half length or even a close up and I like to be prepared to shoot a full length, or larger family group without having to alter lights, or confirm my exposure. You may have heard this before, but there are a lot of articles buried in the archives of the z-prophoto mailing list at egroups.com about how and why of the northlight system...


From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Seamless Shadows Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 > I would appreciate any advice others may have about lighting seamless > paper. My problem is getting it evenly lit. I get a darker color in > the corner/curve than the floor and back. Here's my setup. I'm using > 9' seamless paper with an umbrella on either side pointing directly into > the curve. I've been told this should eliminate the 'shadow' in the > corner. This has not worked for me. I've tried large swooping curves, > as well as small ones and still no success. I see photo's by other's > all the time where a subject is standing in an evenly lit field of > color. What's the secret? > lighting a solid color for perfection is a difficult job. even for a head shoulders shot for the cover of TV guide Gary Bernstein, the other half of zuga.net, would cross four umbrellas. If you have enough room, pull the paper out so it's more of a slope from the wall to the floor, that would require the subject get pulled out even further from the wall, you may need 12 feet. Are you sure you have removed the subject's shadow as the problem. spillage from the main light or fill could be adding a bit more light to your background, except that corner. adding more lights might help, two up and two set down low and crossed the background. When I was shooting hi key in a studio, I bounced my two heads into the upper side walls so spread the light smoothly. the problem might stem for the surprising shiny surface of the paper and the angle the lights are hitting it. one thing I would try is to place the subject on a riser, lay some pallets with a plywood pannel, or a folding utility table and let the background sag behind, this might drop the corner down below, so the image doesn't show that much of the curve, though there may be a sharper horizon line you could limit that with a shallow depth of field. then there are digital solutions... this reply echoed to the z-prophoto mailing list at egroups.com


From: Kirk kirkdarling@mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Detailed PVC Studio Equipment Instructions Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 There have been numerous requests for instructions on building light- modification devices from PVC pipe. I've built them, and it's easy and inexpensive. Some companies have made a business of it. Dean Collins has put a detailed set of instructions with diagrams and photos for a variety of great PVC devices on his website...but you can't navigate to it from there. Go to www.deancollins.com/tt-book.pdf and it will start a download automatically. My only additions: 1. You can run bungee cord through the simpler panel devices to make them "snap together" like LightForm panels. 2. Study the design carefully before applying glue. There are always certain joints that you can leave unglued to allow you freedom to dismantle the device to some extent, yet keep it strong and twist- free. 3. Ripstop nylon makes a good, washable diffusing and soft-reflecting medium. -- Kirk


Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 From: Mike Jordan mjordan@europa.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Detailed PVC Studio Equipment Instructions Hi Kirk, Kirk wrote: ....(above posting) I printed out his how-to manual and plan on building a few of them myself. Something that I found that I hope will make good reflective material is one of the cheap emergency blankets that's made out of mylar (or soemthing else like mylar). I bought a couple of them for under $3.00 each at a local sporting goods store (GI Joes in our area). The size is 84" x 54" and it's very reflective. It's even crinkled out of the package because it's folded into such a small package. I've not figured out the best way to secure it between the pvc pipes yet, but will probably loop it over the pipes and use one of the clips snapped down over it. For a cheap reflector it's hard to beat and if I'm ever out in the hills taking pictures I can still use it as an emergency blanket if I had too. Mike -- Hillsboro, Oregon


From: Kirk kirkdarling@mindspring.com Newsgroups:rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Dean Collins' Detaild PVC Light Modifier Instructions Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 There have been numerous requests for instructions on building light- modification devices from PVC pipe. I've built them, and it's easy and inexpensive. Some companies have made a business of it. Dean Collins has put a detailed set of instructions with diagrams and photos for a variety of great PVC devices on his website...but you can't navigate to it from there. Go to www.deancollins.com/tt-book.pdf and it will start a download automatically. My only additions: 1. You can run bungee cord through the simpler panel devices to make them "snap together" like LightForm panels. 2. Study the design carefully before applying glue. There are always certain joints that you can leave unglued to allow you freedom to dismantle the device to some extent, yet keep it strong and twist- free. 3. Ripstop nylon makes a good, washable diffusing and soft-reflecting medium. -- Kirk


From: "Mark Empson" empson@clear.net.nz Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: FAQ on Lighting techniques Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 See http://www.lmphotonics.com/photoretreat/faq.htm


Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Rollei] an image of the 1999 eclipse Dan Kalish at kaliushkin@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Suppose i am using a 2 ft deep softbox at about, say, 2 ft from my subject. > What would that be doing, diffusing the light around the source, or > diffusing the light around the subject? > ;-) > It would be diffusing the light falling on the subject. > Why would you put a 2ft. softbox 2 ft. from the subject???? Wouldn't that > defeat the point of diffusion? Wouldn't the diffusion box be in the > picture? The closer you put it the softer the light. I use big softboxes, 4 X 6 feet and bigger, and put them as close as I can without getting them in the photo. Sometimes now I just let them intrude into the photo and Photoshop them out. Bob


Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 From: Tim Ellestad ellestad@mailbag.com To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Rollei] an image of the 1999 eclipse If the light source is diffuse (softbox, white umbrella, bounce off non-specular surface, etc.) then the "broadness" of the shadow edge will be proportional to the relative size (and evenness) of the light source. Collimated light sources such as fresnel lights or certain "optically focussed" open-faced lights will cut relatively sharp shadows at any distance (limited by the optical quality of the unit). So with diffuse sources the closer you come the larger the source becomes effectively and the broader (and softer) the shadow edge. Getting closer and closer for softness introduces another lighting problem, though. Inverse Square fall-off in intensity may become significant from front to back through your subject. Bigger sources at greater distances solve this problem but you then need more horsepower to get the same exposure. Diffuse sources are not as critical with this Inverse Square problem as point sources, but the effect is still there. Tenting your subject just wraps the diffuse light source all around, providing nearly uniform diffuse light from any reflex angle to the subject. This is a common technique for photographing highly reflective subjects, particularly those that have very specular surfaces such as silverware or jewelry (where the percieved surface of the subject is, in fact, a mirror image on the reflex viewing angle, in this case showing you the actual light source - making it look bright and shiny like we think these items should look). It tends to yield very flat, boring renderings of more normal subjects with typical diffuse surfaces, though. Tim Ellestad ellestad@mailbag.com ... >Dan Kalish wrote: > >>> Suppose i am using a 2 ft deep softbox at about, say, 2 ft from my >subject. >>> What would that be doing, diffusing the light around the source, or >>> diffusing the light around the subject? >>> ;-)


From: "Hassel Weems" hassel@pluggedindesign.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Softbox (home made) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 White styrofoam coolers make great softboxes. Cut a hole in the bottom for your flash and attach some white ripstop nylon (or a white trash bag) to the opening. Hassel -- Hassel Weems Photography Plugged In Design Web Sites & Graphic Design www.hasselweems.com


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Softbox (home made) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 I've made a number of softboxes out of Foamcore. I based my design on an article in Shutterbug a few years ago, but modified that design substantially. I found I like the light best from the ones with a "satin silver" interior finish. This is nothing more than really cheap silver spray paint:) For the front, white ripstop nylon is the standard, but you can also use some various translucent plastic films found at art supply stores. The softest light would come from a white interior with the ripstop. The satin silver and translum film give a light that's almost pearlescent, with a hot center and rapid falloff. HOWEVER!!! I would suggest that the Photoflex LiteDome XTC 12 x 16" (X-Small) would be the perfect solution. It's inexpensive, works well, disassembles easily to a small size, and can be adapted not only to shoe mount flashes but the big handle flashes as well. Lisa "Willie C." wrote: > > I'm looking to make a small softbox for my 283 and / or AC strobe. It will > probably be 12" x 12" or 16" x 16". Do any of you have experience with what > materials work best. How well do they allow light transmission and quality of > light? I'm thinking of using aluminum foil inside for light reflection.Or > maybe some white material with the aluminum foil being glued to cardboard and > insertable if needed. Also, if any of you already have softbox plans and want > to share, please feel free to share. Thanks in advance. > > Willie


From: zeitgeist blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Home made equipment Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 MelM2 wrote: > Greetings everyone. Does anybody know of any links for making your own > equipment. What I'm talking about is tripods, studio flash systems that sort > of thing. I'm not wanting to build my own camera just some ot the accessories. below is a link posted to the z-prophoto mailing list yahoogroups.com Dean Collins is a fabulous inovator, Tinker Tubes was a book he published years ago and now out of print so he put it up in a hidden link cause of all the requests for it, (ok stalking, hounding, vague threats, pleading) you'll need to get an adobe acrobat reader. the shows plans for build yourself reflectors, softboxes, bounce boards on up to elaborate glamour lighting set up using only one flash stashed behind the background (bouncing off an overhead reflector giving a hair light and throwing enough light to a silver reflector above the camera and a bounce board below. > > "R. A. Glidewell" wrote: > > > > > > For all those interested. I wrote Dean Collins > about finding a copy of > > > his much prized but hard-to-find book on > creating lighting devices from > > > plastic pipe. > > > > > > In response, Gary, the webmaster at Collins' > site, scanned the book and > > > has now posted it in pdf form at: > > > http://www.deancollins.com/tt.html > > > > > > Enjoy. > > > > > > Richard Glidewell


From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 From: Waldo Berry WBERRY@dce.ksu.edu Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start I was in your shoes many moons ago. I started by reading lots of portriat books. Some are a waste others are really good. Videos are an even better teacher. The ultimate is hands on classes. In my area they have Wicher 1 & 2 portrait and lighting classes. There is a good hand metering book you should get also. Lights will be another issue. When your starting price is everything, basic lighting requires a main, fill, background and hair. A reflector can fill the roll of a fill. Lastly posing and compisition books or classes will round you out. One book you might try is Wildis, the Ultimate Image. The other is "The Portrait", and then the metering book. Once you get rolling, you'll be okay for most standard portrait stuff. Once you want the really specialized high key specialized or low key rembrant looks, you'll need to work towards it . My two cents waldo


From Hasselblad mailing list: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 From: Stein stein@bekkers.com.au Subject: Re: portrait business--where to start Dear Lisa, Find yourself a niche market. I stumbled upon mine at a hobbies show when I set up a backdrop and took portraits of medieval reenactors for their club magazine. Then a couple of belly dancers wandered over to see what I was doing and I took a few dance poses for them and it is 5 years later and I have 33 wives and a blue silk sultan's outfit and a harem set in the studio and new tiled floor for them to dance on and life is very good. Get yourself a window in the town and persuade the shop owner to let you put a portrait a week in it. Change it every week and peole will get in the habit of passing the window to see who is in this week. Needless to say you get permission from the sitter to put them in the window. Do team photos for the local little league or volunteer bushfire brigade. If the firemen are cute you can get them to take their shirts off and pose with their hoses. Do a freeby for the Country Womens Association and they will never forget you. Mind you, neither will the firemen.... Uncle Dick


From Leica Mailing List: Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org Subject: [Leica] Re: Winter in GA [long] Eric wrote: >David: > > >The third and fourth, I am looking for some advice for simple portraits. > >http://www.zuga.net/freelessons/JZCH1.shtml > > >Eric Great site Eric. That is e-x-a-c-t-l-y the kind of work older professional, knowledgeable, portrait photographers produce. This is not Leica photography, it is MF or LF work. This is what families want for their wall and mantle, and what executives want for their foyer and boardroom. What is displayed here is not Sears, Olin Mills, or other chain store portraiture. This is not annual report or artsy fartsy portraiture. It is the real thing. It is very good. And it is v-e-r-y difficult. These are very far from being "simple portraits." I'm sure they are eons beyond what you had in mind. But you should read about the lighting, the direction, and look at the separation of subject from the background, in appropriate places. There is a lot of information here that can be gleaned for use in other ways. After being taught the rigors of formal portraiture in 1959/60, it became very obvious to me, over the years, that there were hackers (Sears, K-Mart, Olin Mills, etc,) and there were professionals who had taken the time to learn the craft. Those of you who have not spent the many many months of formal instruction in this craft cannot possibly know what I am talking about. I can guarantee that without hard work over a long period of time (paying your dues) you will not be able to produce photographs like those shown on the referenced web sites. You will produce K-Mart specials, if that good. Look at Yousuf Karsh's portrait of Winston Churchill http://www.mfa.org/exhibitions/karsh.html or Einstein, Hemingway, Frank Lloyd Wright, Picasso, & Giacometti at http://www.westongallery.com/artists/y_karsh/yousuf_karsh.html Ultimately, what you are photographing is how light is reflected from your subject. What kind of light to use (natural, artificial, etc.), what reflectors and where to put them, how to get the face and facial expression to be THE dominant feature(s) when there is so much other stuff in the photograph, etc., is the key. Without experience and direction, one cannot hope to produce results better than just snap shots. A master of "subtractive light control," was a photographer named Leon Kennamer. He was written up in the September 1997 Rangefinder and wrote a book on the subject, with three other photographers, titled "Four Photographers." Leon produced formal portraits (sort of like those referenced above), and informal portraits. But he mostly using natural light (even in the studio) and usually natural settings. He never added light to a setting, he just removed the light he didn't want and manipulated the light that he wanted via black umbrellas and reflectors. He always shot at f/4 or f/5.6 around 1/60th (and slower) and always shot late in the day. No twinkie lights! His mantra was "Learn to see the light." Hello Ted... sound familiar? Leon Kennamer was an artist first and a technician second. This helped set him apart from his colleagues. He taught his artistic control throughout the world for 40 years, and was in great demand. Enough reminiscing... the bottom line is, if you want to take portraits that are stand-out examples, be prepared to work very hard for a long time. It is not an easy craft. This is why I stick to nature, landscapes, and other fine art stuff, or just stuff. It's a hellova lot easier than good portraits. I'm in awe of people like Ted and Leon Kennamer. And folks like Karsh, well... what is there to say other than just stand there, with mouth open, drooling! Jim Brick, BIPAA, ASMP,


From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 From: DaveHodge@aol.com Subject: [HUG] Re: hasselblad V1 #1532 hasselblad@kelvin.net writes: The method of exhibition, mounting on thin aluminum and held away from the wall via a small and invisible wood frame behind the mounted photo, was incredibly great. I have seen several exhibitions where the prints were mounted on foam-coard board whose edges had been spray-painted flat black before the prints were mounted. Then they used 1/2x3/4 wood strips on the back to keep the prints floating in space! Very effective.


Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 From: Patrick Bartek bartek@intermind.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Kinda on topic: lighting questions Tourtelot wrote: > Just got some proofs back from my lab today (shot with my 500C/M if > that counts as "on topic) and I have a questions for you studio > pros out there. > > The quick senario: > > Black seamless backdrop > Model playing a cello; black velvet dress. > > f16 key using a strobe bounced off a silver umbrella, f8-11 split > fill strobe shot through a silk. Small hair kicker (3rd strobe) > through umbrella over and behind her right shoulder, tilted off the > seamless. XP2 at 320. Pocessed at a pro lab and proofed sepia. > Exposures are good, tones are good, black dress is black, skin tones > are right on, but the seamless has a grey tone from spill from the > strobes. I believe it is from the front lights, but may be from the > hair light. How do I get the light off the seamless without pulling > the lights too far around the sides, or raising them so high that I > don't get a good eye "catch" and the eye-sockets go dark? > > All thoughts would be appreciated. e main problem with black seamless is one, it ain't really black, and two, it's too reflective. Three solutions: one, move the paper as far back as possible, so that an incident meter reading at the paper is 3 stops or more (or should that be "less?") below the subject reading. Two, and this is what I use, when I want real black and don't have the space to move the background--use black cotton velvet, the really cheap kind. Don't get the synthetic stuff made of rayon or whatever. It has a sheen to it. Three, use black flocked paper. It's almost as good a cotton velvet. Plus, it comes in rolls 9 feet wide, instead of 54 inches like the velvet. (I just sew the velvet together to the width I need.) In any case, if the readings (incident) at the velvet or flocked paper are 1 stop or more less than the subject, it will be as black as the film can record. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@intermind.net


From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 From: Mike Kirwan mkirwan@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Kinda on topic: lighting questions Ian; I use black velvet for backdrops for still life work and portraits. It can be very expensive but a trip to a number of local fabric stores turned up gold. They had a number of off-cuts. I bought one section that was abouit 4 feet by 3 feet that was ideal for still life and head & shoulder shots. That cost me $9.00. On a return visit I found soem sale items, two pices that were around 6 feet by 4 feet. Got both for $22.00. They had very ragged edges and a couple of flaws. I had my niece trim them and stitch them together. You cannot see the seams. So shop around, the people working in these fabric stores are very helpful. Mike -----Original Message----- From: ian.barnes [mailto:ian@ianbarnes.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:00 AM To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] Kinda on topic: lighting questions I would love to get hold of some cheap black cotton velvet but surprised how much it is. Any suggestions prices and widths? Ian


From: "UrbanVoyeur" nospam@urbanvoyeur.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Concert Photography Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 It depends on how much experience you have with each. Extremely contrasty situations can sometimes fool evaluative metering into under or over exposure, such as brightly lit performers against a dark background. The more evenly lit the stage and the more brightly lit the background, the more accurate evaluative metering will be. On the other hand, if you spot meter a point that's very bright, and shoot at that reading without stopping down, your pictures will be under exposed. If you have limited experience with spot metering in conjunction with manual settings, then I would stick with evaluative. If you have used spot metering before and are comfortable interpreting and adjusting the readings you receive, then try the following as a starting point: (1) Put the camera in spot meter, manual mode. (2) Meter the brightest point you want to retain detail in, often a performer's facial highlight. (3) Open up the lens/shutter 2 stops from the highlight reading. That will place the highlight in zone VII Until you get the hang of it, bracket your exposures. J "webfinder01" webfinder01@xyz.com wrote > Any idea what is the technic for taking concert photography in term of > metering > > I am using Canon 1V. Should i use spot or evaluative metering . > > Thanks


From: bufordsanders@yahoo.com (Buford Sanders) Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: cheap lighting? Date: 26 Apr 2002 Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com wrote > Do you have a URL? J&K; Group for inexpensive strobes and accessories: http://www.stores.ebay.com/id=5697114 (No....I am not affiliated with them....just a satisfied customer) There are others that might sell inexpensive strobes on ebay www.ebay.com and search on "strobe" I hope this helps! Buford


From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 From: Jim Brick jim@brick.org Subject: Re: [HUG] Slightly OT: shipping prints David Meiland wrote: >I assume that some of you here make large prints and occasionally sell >them, so I'd like to ask how you get them to your customers. I recently >sold a 16x20 print matted to 28x32 to a nice lady who lives 500 miles away. >To ship it I bought a sheet of 1/8" lauan plywood (cuts with a razor knife) >and made a 29x33 sandwich of foamcore, plywood, and duct tape to ship the >print in. There's got to be a better way! Obviously I should sell the damn >things without the matte, and I should probably look for off-the-shelf flat >shipping packages of some kind. Curious to know how others do this. I bought the following and use them to ship anything up to 11x14: http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-1198 And I bought the following to ship anything over 11x14 through 20x24: http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-5060 These are stay flats and do not require any stiffener inside the envelope. You can ship raw prints. I also bought a roll of the following stickers: http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-3418 just to help. But so far, I've not had a problem shipping prints in these envelopes. Jim


From camera makers mailing list: From: "John Yeo" jonnieo@thegrid.net Subject: Re: [Cameramakers] DIY - Lighting (softboxes, etc.) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 http://www.enteric.org/lighting from plastic tubes.pdf I also made a html file with the link so you can right click>save to disk. http://www.enteric.org/lighting.html John


From camera makers mailing list: Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 From: Ted Burford tedburford@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Cameramakers] DIY - Lighting (softboxes, etc.) > Is there any news about the Collins link mentioned a while ago? http://www.deancollins.com/TT.HTML Ted


From camera makers mailing list: Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 From: William Nettles nettles@wgn.net Subject: [Cameramakers] Re: Cameramakers digest, Vol 1 #367 - 5 msgs Ah Soft boxes. I remember them well. My fingers still tingle with burns from the glue gun and I can still smell the smoke from the burning one in the studio on St Sacrement in Old Montreal. . . . Tungsten soft boxes are a risky animal due to the heat. Sheet aluminum is light and reasonable easy to work. I shoot mostly tungsten and never use 'em. Instead I just stretch some translucent Gridcloth between poles on C-stands. But I make my own .032 aluminum reflector boxes. Flash/strobe light boxes on the other hand are easy and very workable. I basically make them out of the 3/16" foam core. and cut an opening for the light head in the back --and a couple of vent holes-above and below the light position for convection flow. The Tungsten modleing lights will, as our narrow box did in Vieux Montreal, set fire to foam core. One critical factor is that the white foamcore really isn't all that good a reflector, and a completely open back will lose a lot of light. It's best there for to design them with a keystone shape to bounce the light toward the front. It is also very good to buy a roll of pebbled silver reflector material from Roscoe gels (or order from Mole Richardson or Calumet). I used rubber cement though spray mount will work as well, and cover the inside of the box with the silver reflector material. This will give you maybe two additional stops. I use the pebbled surface because tinfoil or a mylar would through uneven spectral reflections on the front of the box. The face of the box I use Roscoe Grid cloth. It has the small ripstop grid incorporated (just like your winter parka) and won't shred like the pure plastic translume and such. I just gaffer tape them to the front. That's about it. They aren't as easy to store as the roll up ones but you can create individual light boxes for specifc shoots. ---William Nettles nettles@wgn.net Nettles Photo / Imaging Site http://www.wgn.net/~nettles


Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 From: William Nettles nettles@wgn.net To: cameramakers@rosebud.opusis.com Subject: [Cameramakers] PVC pipes and softboxes I've tried to make some lighting supports with PVC 1" plastic water pipe which is very inexpensive. SPecifically I made a scrim holder about 1.2meters by 2 meters. I've found the PVC was too flexible. One thing that would probably work nicely is thin wall aluminum tubing inserted into the PVC tubing. You'd wind up with a nice durable pole that won't turn your hands black from oxidation but that is rigid. Another source of PVC is electrical conduit. I think it is a bit stiffer and less expensive than plumbing PVC. They also make nice 6" 150mm radius sweep turns. You can glue this pipe interchangably with the white/gray water PVC but a mix of such piping is a violation of building codes so don't do this in your house for potable water. I still go with foam core softboxes but they aren't portable.


From: "Tony Spadaro" tspadaro@ncmaps.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Need tips on homemade reflector Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 I buy sheets of posterboard at the art supplies shop - about 5 bucks for a 30x40 sheet. I usually get a black sheet - which is white on the opposite site. I keep them in a plastic bag the art supply store uses to pack them. If I need a smaller reflector I simply cut one down. When they get rougie enough I toss them and buy new. I've used them for backgrounds too - on head shots and tabletop photography. The grey ones are close enough to a grey card that you can use one as a giant grey card. I haven't used one in a while, but I think it was 1/3rd of a stop lighter (more reflective) than the grey card. -- http://www.chapelhillnoir.com The Camera-ist's Manifesto a Radical approach to photography.


From: "Skip" shadowcatcher@cox.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Need tips on homemade reflector Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 For a more portable version, I use a silver windshield reflector, the type that folds up and stores in a bag. I got one at Target, which fits nicely in the pouch on the back of my camera bag. -- Skip Middleton http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com


From rollei mailing list: Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com Subject: Re: [Rollei] Darkroom benches Gest2001@aol.com at Gest2001@aol.com wrote: > This is not as pretty as a laminate top but is far > lest costly. I didn't say it in my earlier post, but I got the counter tops I used very cheaply because they were custom orders which were never picked up. These are basically dead inventory for a lumber yard and they will let them go cheaply just to get rid of them. Bob


From: tonyofoto@aol.com (TonyOfoto) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: 11 May 2002 Subject: Re: Help: Need tips on homemade reflector Ok, I don't have the money to buy a pro reflector(s). I was thinking of foamboard. For about $5 you can get a windshield reflector from Walmart. They roll-up like the photo reflectors into a small pouch. They are bright silver on one side and a matte silver on the other.


From nikon mailing list: Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 From: "Roland Vink" roland.vink@aut.ac.nz Subject: Re: BALLHEADS > I am in the market for a ballhead to support my F3HP with a Nikon 300MM f4.5 > ED AIS lens. I may acquire (NAS) a larger lens later but nothing over 6lbs > in weight. This will all fit on top of a Bogen 3021BN tripod. I am amazed > by the info on the various ballheads available on the internet, and have > info overload. I thought that you folks might have some practical knowledge > in this area and be willing to share your positive/negative experiences with > ballheads. Hi Terry, I also recommend the Arca-Swiss quick release system, I use camera and lens plates from Really Right Stuff (reallyrightstuff.com) which are customs fitted. You can also buy similar plates from Kirk Photo. As for the ballhead, the Arca Swiss B1 is the original, and many swear by it. This ballhead may be a good choice if you have big glass such as a 400/2.8. For a 300/4.5 it is bigger and heavier than you need. I wanted something small and light so I could carry it when hiking. My biggest lenses are a 300/4.5 IFED and 200/4 micro, so I spent a lot of time looking for a smaller quality ballhead. The main contenders were: Kirk BH-3 http://www.kirkphoto.com/ballheadbh3.html Acratech ultimate http://www.luminous-landscape.com/arcatech.htm Markins M1-PQ http://markins.com/2.0/eng/ballheads.htmls Photo.net has good information on all three ballheads. I think any of them will comfortably fill your current and future needs. The Markins ebsite has a short video showing the ballhead comfortably holding a Nikon 800/5.6 lens! I went for the Markins - it is a little more expensive, but lighter than the BH-3, and I prefer the traditional design over the radical Acratech. It is very smooth in operation, and will lock dead solid. Regards, Roland


From: "ajacobs2" ajacobs2@tampabay.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Pistol-grip ballheads: Anyone using the Slik who can compare to the Bogen/manfrotto Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 I apologize in advance but I am negative on these things. I had a store, and carried both, tried both, used both, and stopped carrying both. Early Bogens slipped. Later versions held but they still raised the camera too far off the axis. Definately not a medium format or heavy lens operation. Too heavy with a biger lens. My 180 on an ETrsi is enough. One slip and you are done. Changes the center of balance. If the SLIK (and I'm only a moderate fan of their heavier models, the plastic promo stuff is useless) was that much better than the Bogen/Manfrotto they would be selling them. And they are not...( My rep couldn't remember the last order for one) so yours was the only post in a long time about the SLIK as the thought of using it hadn't occurred to anyone else. Also the SLIK on the bottom end, they don't make strong enough tripod legs for me... >From actual materials, the Bogen is stronger. But as I said I will not use nor recommend to my students either one. And we endorse Bogen products except for this one.... If you still go with the BOGEN or the SLIK, (temptation is all powerful). I suggest the following: My choice of pistol lever grip , if you put my fingers in a vise is Bogen, You can sell it off is not happy. Try selling the SLIK. The mere fact you got no answers refects that. You want the heaviest pod you can carry. You need the weight downstairs to overcome the torque produced upstairs (simplification) Learn how to keep the Bogen in adjustment and not oil it or lube it other than read below. Alternatives: I prefer ballheads.... Ballheads are not perfect either till you get into the $$$$$ range. Many ballheads need to be broken in and or dis-assembled ( Johnny-Fived) and polished for smoothness to achieve that smoooth action. I loved guys who traded Bogen heads ( ballhead or even tripod heads) to me complaining of stiffness, jerky operation, I offered to correct that, BUT they were going KIRK or one of the others. About twenty minutes on the buffing wheels and the Dremels and a little deburring made a silk purse of a sows ear....grease is not the answer.....and it's simple..... Take the unit apart after making marks for re-alignment: Remove any grease or lube. Use machinest dye, BLACK/BLUE Sanford marker, or liquid shoe dye. Reassemble and line things up, Lightly twist and turn it, tighten and do again. Dis-assemble Look for high spots and polish off...sometime simply polishing the bearing surfaces helps. On some, it just was just a piece of flashing or sand. Many times from being greased up too much attracts dirt and sand. White teflon bearing grease ( also called casette grease) from bikes works well, very very sparingly, it does not evaporate and handle compression well, oil does not, WD40 merely dries out and forms varnish. Not oil, oils are bad on bearing surfaces and evaporate. Oh, how do you polish inside surfaces of a ball head....simple you use a golf ball, ( I use the ones I Bogey holes on, I have a lifetime supply) anchored on the end of a long threaded rod countersunked and wrapped with terry cloth and abrasive compound. You then stick the threaded end on a drillpress or buffing motor with chuck. I wish you well, Al Jacobson Website: www.aljacobs.com Teaching site: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ajacobs2


From minolta mailing list: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 From: William Rainey wrainey@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: paint for canvas backdrops. Michael Hood wrote: ... > could roll it back up without the paint cracking :) But I was curious if > there was anything better for this sort of application before I go and start > painting these things with latex. Boss, I know you've painted a few muslin > and canvas backdrops yourself.. ... I'm curious to see if anybody else responds to this question also! In the past I've only used highly thinned latex interior house paint (matte of course) out of a spray gun for muslin, and unthinned for canvas (applied with sponges, brushes, and wadded up rags). If there is a better option, I sure hope somebody will post it here! While we're waiting for good answers, I do know that if you were to start with raw muslin, you can do some really good stuff with Ritr dye, but I haven't tried that method yet, so I can't offer any details on application methods. Later, -- Bill Rainey wrainey@hiwaay.net http://home.hiwaay.net/~wrainey/


From minolta mailing list: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 From: "haefr2000" ray_h71@hotmail.com Subject: Re: light table for slide sorting --- In Minolta@y..., Dennis Ducklow dducklow@s... wrote: > I would like to make my own slide sorting light box. Does anyone have > or know of plans for such a project? > > Dennis Since this isn't rocket science, it should be easy enough conceptually to cobble something up. Start by laying out the number of slides you'd want to be able to view at any given time. A suitably large rectangle or square to accomodate them, plus an extra 1/2" in each direction as a fudge factor, will be your basic diffuser dimensions. Then you'd need to construct a suitably large box to hold the light bulb socket at the rear and the front diffuser panel. A front to back depth of about 12" to 14" should be adequate. 1/2" plywood should suffice, with an angled front opening (~45 degrees) to which you'd mount the diffuser panel. I'd paint the interior of the box flat white or very pale flat blue if you want "color correction" for the low color temperature of an incandescent bulb, to minimize "hot" spots. You could cover or paint the exterior to your preference if aesthetics are important. A common shop light fixture (ceramic or plastic) wired to a simple toggle switch for ease of operation is about the most complicated "techy" procedure you'll face. (You'd need to be familiar with operating a screwdriver to attach the wires.) A 40 watt bulb should be plenty considering the close range of bulb to diffuser, and the heat buildup would be within safe parameters for the materials you'd be using. If you wanted to get fancy you could even cut a few ventilation slots in the "roof" and some along the lower edge of the sides to draw cool air through to exhaust the heat of the bulb. Then glue wood or plastic strips at least as thick as slide mounts in suitably spaced horizontal rows to the face of the diffuser panel to hold the slides across the face of the diffuser. As for a diffuser, there should be acceptable materials available at any hardware or home improvement center. (White transluscent plastic sheets are available, but stick with smooth surfaces.) Virtually all the materials you'd need would be similarly available. My only question is whether all this trouble is cost effective. You could end up spending as much as you'd pay for a slide sorter/light box in the first place, and at a minimum you'd need basic tools - screwdriver, saw, wire cutters, glue, paint, and assorted hardware bits.


From minolta mailing list: Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 From: "gdstaples" gdstaples@yahoo.com Subject: Re: light table for slide sorting http://www.spec-tru.com/build_a_light_table.htm Just did a search on google.


From hasselblad mailing list: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 From: Jim Brick jbrick@elesys.net Subject: Re: [HUG] tripods ... I think Economy vs lightweight/sturdy/capable of holding a Hasselblad is a misnomer. I've had a G1228 and Swiss B1 ball head for many years. One of the first 1228's arriving here. I got the Gitzo strap for it which allows over the shoulder out of the way portage. The B1 has a built-in Arca clamp that fits the ClearSight replacement Hasselblad foot (and all other RRS or Kirk plates). I have carried it all over England, Holland, Germany, and Switzerland. It is a joy as you really don't know it is with you until you need it. Take the head off and it easily packs in any Roll Aboard luggage. My daughter has it right now on a backpacking trip. Angela was going to borrow it, two weeks ago for an Italy trip but it was loaned out to my son Chris. So Angela bought one from KSP (gave her exactly the same price as B&H;) and I loaned her my spare B1 head. She got back Monday and said it was a joy to carry and use. Angela weighs 110 lbs ringing wet. This is a v-e-r-y sturdy very small lightweight tripod. See Jeff at KSP. You can borrow my extra B1 and I have Kirk Hasselblad plates. Actually, depending upon when you are leaving, you might be able to borrow the whole tripod. Jim Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >Hasselblad USA provided excellent service again... They sent me the >alternative, 3/8" tripod socket mount for the 903SWC so that now it can >use the same tripod mounting plate and grips as the 500C/M Classic. > >So now I'm thinking of tripods. I've been using a heavy, large Bogen with >Manfrotto Speed Grip head for years and it works beautifully with the >'Blads. However, I'm leaving on a two week holiday to the UK and don't >want to carry such a large and heavy tripod, but I do want to carry >something. A ball head is enough, something that will get a waist level >camera up to about 40-48" and an eye-level camera up to 50-60". > >Any recommendations? Economy is important too .... ;-) > >Godfrey


[Ed. note: this is a useful trick, esp. handy for natural skin color with fluorescent lights when using flash etc....] From: rabbitbert@aol.com (Rabbitbert) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 25 Jul 2002 Subject: Re: filter on flash or lens? Rolle asked us: >Ive seen many amazing photos where the background is saturated with a >particular hue of color, e.g. blue, yet the foreground subject is of another >color hue, how can you acheive this effect using filters? Yes this is done with filters. You can achieve a colored background by using one color filter on your lens, while placing the complementary color filter over the flash. The flash-illuminated subject then appears normally colored. Using a flash filter other than the complementary to the lens filter would give the subject a different color. Kodak's book, "the Kodak Workshop Series, Electronic Flash" writtten for Kodak by Lester Lefkowitz, Eastman Kodak, 1986 (my own copy, there may be updated ones now), gives some specific details about the procedure. I also recommend this book for anyone unfamiliar with the many uses of electronic flash. Price is about $10 U.S. R.


Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Advice on Ball Heads From: stanman2171@hotmail.com (Stan Randle) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 davidb dvdbrm@yahoo.com wrote: > I am looking for a light weight ballhead to use with a Pentax 67 and > Hasselblad 500c/m. Biggest lens would be a 250 on the Hassey. Would > also like a quick release with it. Take a look at the Linhof Profi II (or its clone, the Kaiser medium ballhead). There are several incompatible QR systems on the market. Many professional nature photographers, using big, heavy glass, have standardized on the expensive Arca-Swiss style of quick release. How expensive? $50-$90 for the mounting socket, and $50 for each custom-sized camera or lens plate. Stroboframe, Gitzo, Linhof, Bogen and Slik all have their own QR devices, some built into their pan-tilt or ball heads, all at varying price levels. Bogen has two different, incompatible systems: a rectangular plate system and a bulkier, hexagonal one. I chose the Bogen hexagonal Quick Release adapter assembly ($35), which came with one QR plate. I also purchased a second, "90-degree 'architectural' plate" ($21) which has a small raised lip that snugly holds against the back of a camera body and prevents the camera from twisting on the plate (which especially can happen when the camera is flopped on its side for vertical shots). I recommend this as a solid, never-fail, affordable system. The hex plates are larger and bulkier than other manufacturers' plates, possibly making them an annoyance when handholding a camera, but when used on a tripod they lock-in with a reassuring, audible click and are rock-solid. See: http://www.wildpicture.com/pages/photography/hexplates.htm This web page shows photos of plates from several years ago, when Bogen used cork on the hexplates (which after time tended to compress and slip). all hex plates sold today use a sturdier, rubberized material.


From: Bob Salomon bob@hpmarketingcorp.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Advice on Ball Heads Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 Stan Randle at stanman2171@hotmail.com wrote > There are several incompatible QR systems on the market. Many > professional nature photographers, using big, heavy glass, have > standardized on the expensive Arca-Swiss style of quick release Well now there will be a new one next month. The Q-base from Novoflex. This is a fully automatic locking QR that accepts all Arca style plates and locks as soon as the plate touches the base. It also has a macro positioning function that allows plates to slide front to back for positioning. Novoflex will also release a series of plates with user adjustable pins to conform them to any body or lens, regardless of size or manufacturer. HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373 US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun, CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan, Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock, Sirostar, Tetenal Cloths and Ink Jet Papers, VR, Vue-All archival negative, slide and print protectors, Wista, ZTS see www.hpmarketingcorp.com for dealer listings


From: Jeff four_season_photo@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Advice on Ball Heads Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 The Arca-Swiss B1 is just about ideal for the Hasselblad system: An unconventional design, the "ball" is actually an elipse, and it neatly counteracts the tendancy for a ballhead to flop over when loaded with a heavy camera. The pan lock knob is awkwardly placed and rather small, so if possible, try before you buy to see if it's right for you. The B1 is available with either a QR clamp or a conventional screw mount, and were I to buy it again, I might consider buying without Arca's QR clamp and install Gitzo's G1387 Universal Dovetail Adaptor instead.I haven't tried it yet, but it looks great on paper: It accepts Arca-type plates as well as most Manfrotto ones (and there are times that I like being able to use $8 universal plates rather than needing a $70 custom plate for each of my camera bodies). It may also be worth finding out if the Gitzo clamp will work directly with Hasselblad's built-in QR plate, because that would save you about $70 for each Hasselblad that you carry. The stock Arca clamp doesn't close far enough to work with the older-style Hasselblad plates but looks like it would with some modifications. And by the way, if you buy Really Right Stuff QR plates, they're great, but consider carrying a hex key with you, because you have not experienced frustration until your camera plate works loose and you can't tighten it back down for want of tools! Jeff davidb wrote: > I am looking for a light weight ballhead to use with a Pentax 67 and > Hasselblad 500c/m. Biggest lens would be a 250 on the Hassey. Would > also like a quick release with it. > Thanks in advance.


Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 From: Entropia photoguy1967@hotmail.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Bare Tube Flash John Stafford john@stafford.net wrote: >So, is there a good handheld bare-tube flash with slave socket that you all >can recommend? I use it for wide-angle flash fill with a custom-made flat >reflector that I can work onto almost any unit. Quantum Q-Flash T2, rated at 150ws. If you need more power, you can get the X model which can get up to 400ws I believe with optional booster packs.


From: "McLeod" wmcleoa910@rogers.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Bare Tube Flash Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 If you can't afford the Quantum, the Sunpak 120J TTL is a cheap (and probably less durable) alternative. ...


From: "zeitgeist" blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: filter on flash or lens? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 > Ive seen many amazing photos where the background is saturated with a > particular hue of color, e.g. blue, yet the foreground subject is of another > color hue, how can you acheive this effect using filters? > > e.g. if I want the background to contain a blue hue (sky) and foreground > portrait to be warm, what filters do i put on the flash & lens respectively? > I thought about this and guessed a yellow gel filter over the flash and a > blue filter over the lens? so the background will appear blue and > foreground, illuminated by the yellow light will appear warmer? > a favored technique in the 90's. Shoot with tungsten balanced film and place the appropriate filter over the flash so the subject is lighted with color corrected flash, but the background will take on a strong cold tone. or you can use complementary filters, yellow on the flash, blue on the lens, the two cancel each other but the background will be the color of the lens filter while the subject should be neutral.


From: lesaus@aol.comnospam (Ed Saus) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 11 Aug 2002 Subject: Re: gitzo and warranty >there are several people from hong kong selling gitzo tripods on ebay >for very reasonable prices. for example: gitzo G1228 CF tripod for >$405 including shipping. if i were to buy the same model from B&H; it >would cost $505 with shipping. the difference is, i will not get a >warranty card if i buy it from the guys in hong kong. so, what should >i do? >thanks, >david The Gitzo warranty is probably worthless, anyhow, so go for the cheaper price. The bubble level popped out of my 1340 and Bogen/Gitzo refuses to respond to my inquiries for a replacement part. A friend had a problem with his 1340 and they won't respond to him either. I am less than happy with Gitzo and may look elsewhere when the need for a new tripod comes. Ed


From minolta mf mailing list: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 From: "Arnold" seseni@totalise.co.uk Subject: Re: Tripod differences Hi Marko, Take a look at the following website: http://www.euro-photo.net/cgi-bin/epn/info/equip_reviews/bogen3401b_3410.asp The Manfrotto 455B is the Bogen 3401. I do have one and it's a sturdy and heavy tripod. Arnold Steekelenburg


From: Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Best & Most Portable Soft Box? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 Anthony Zipple wrote: > I shoot a lot out on location with monolights and use shoot through > umbrellas as an easy, light, fast to set up light source. I want more > control and softer light and am looking for a softbox about 28x36" . > Portability is a big issue. It needs to be easy and fast to pull apart > and set up. And recommendations? I use Photoflex boxes. Cheaper than Chimera and just a good. You mean 28" x 32," don't you? I suggest that you consider instead the 3' x 4' box. More versatile. Softer light, too, because the light surface is larger. And when packed, it's not much larger than the smaller one. It's excellent for head to 3/4 length portraits. The 28 x 32 is a little too small for 3/4 length, and the light is a little harsh for head and shoulder shots, as well. I usually use both boxes for dramatic, split lighting, "corporate" portraits: large box as the main; small one directly opposite, behind and high as a "kicker;" and a large reflector for fill, if desired. -- Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com


from nikon mailing list: Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 From: "Matthew C. Kartch, M.D." mckartch@cybernex.net Subject: [Nikon] Re:Vol 1 #491 - 4&17 travel tripod I also like my little Velbon (Keppler?), but agree with Jesse that there are compromises involved with the light weight. (And the Velbon won't give you more than 140 cm.) After reading your notes I put an N80 body on an 80-400 VR lens (note the order - about the same weight as your 80-200) with a Kirk QR lens plate and a Kirk 1.75 inch QR clamp (still fits inside the Velbon bag) on the Velbon ball head. It was VERY easy to make vibrations travel to the camera. A Gitzo 1325 with a Kirk BH-3 ball head would have held like El Capitan, but this would have violated your requirements for materials, size (won't fit in a Domke tripod bag shorter than 32 inches when assembled), and probably price. (Does anyone else here feel that he or she is putting at least one of Henry Posner's grandchildren through college?) Thought #1: I was able to dampen some of the vibrations by resting one of my thirteen hands on the top of the lens in line with the axis of the ball head, ala Moose Peterson. Thought #2: I was also able to dampen vibrations by pulling down on the unextended column. I mention this because I have already modified my Velbon to reduce vibrations. Take a 1/4 inch stainless steel eyebolt and screw it through a nylon hex nut. Then screw this assembly up through the plastic hex socket in the bottom of the column. Jam the nut upward to lock the assembly. (Mr. Giusto can probably find a metric equivalent at a hardware store in Roma.) Hang an "S" hook through the eye, and you can use anything at hand to weight the tripod and reduce vibrations. (I have bent the arm of the hook through the eye even further, to reduce unintentional separation.) Hope this may help. mck


From minolta mailing list: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 From: "gregarpp" gregarpp@icqmail.com Subject: Re: ballheads I had a few bogen ball heads and they were all bad. The last was the 3018 head. I picked up a Cullman ball head for less money then the bogen. It is 10X better then any of the bogens. I also have a bogen quick action grip head. It is great! Not really a ball head, but it is quick to reposition. I found it was not strong enough for my camera this weekend, so I will probably get rid of it. It can't handle a pentax 645, 80-160mm stroboframe ProRL, sunpack 120J TTL with quantum battery. It wouldn't keep this locked into place.


from nikon mf mailing list: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 From: crabillw@aol.com Subject: Re: Ball Heads Denis, I've been using a Slik Pro Ball Head for about 10 years now. It will support approx. 15 lbs, I also have a Bogan (Manfrotto) QD on mine, the Hexagonal plate unit, I believe the model # is , in the USA, 3296. I've had no problems with mine, though I'm sure that it doesn't have the quality that the $300 ball heads the professionals use must have. This ball head lists for $130, but it is currently selling for $75 @ the B&H; web site. I know there are a bunch of mid priced ball heads on the market today, this one was recommended to me by a pro-shop when I bought it, & certainly hasn't let me down, nor given me any reason to go looking for a replacement unit. Bill Crabill


From nikon mf mailing list: Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 From: "Fehskens, Len" len.fehskens@hp.com Subject: RE: Re: Ball Heads Bill writes: >I've been using a Slik Pro Ball Head for about 10 years now. Another testimonial for the Slik Pro Ball Head. I've had one mounted on a Leitz Tiltall Jr. for at least 10 years and I wouldn't trade it for anything. I didn't know the Pro Ball head was still being made; maybe I'll get another one! len.


From: "Joseph Meehan" sligojoe@hotmail.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: homemade relectors Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 Sure. A flat shiny reflector will make a harsh light with sharp shadows. A crinkled foil reflector will, depending on how crinkled will break up the light, but it still retain some of it's harshness. The mate side of the foil will make a little softer light, but less complex (more even) than the crinkled foil. A white matt reflector will reflect less light, but it will be a lot softer. -- Joseph E. Meehan


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: homemade relectors Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 doughnut wrote: > > "Lisa Horton" Lisa@lisahorton.net wrote > > The issue with smooth foil is that you can get hot spots. The > > scattering of light from the wrinkles makes a better light as well. > > The shiny side will give more "sparkle" to the light, the dull side > > softer light. > > > > Or make life easy and go get a sheet of foamcore:) > > Thanks again. That makes sense. > > And ... um, er, ... what's foamcore? (And where do you get it from?) It's a sheet of styrofoam sandwiched between two sheets of heavy glossy (usually) paper. Usually available anywhere art supplies are sold, and often at office supply stores. It's lightweight, white, rigid (but not strong) and relatively cheap. It's often used for impromptu reflectors. Lisa


From: "Christopher Gonzaga" cgonzaga@sympatico.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Beginner's guide to studio lighting Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 Hi Ed, If you're on a tight budget, consider getting self-contained heads. I've used Powerlight 600 w/s heads and they work well for people shots in the studio and location if you have AC outlets. They also have variable power control so it's easy to adjust the ratios. I would highly recommend getting an incident flash meter like the minolta ivf or sekonic l358. Second curtain sync work only with dedicated flash units. Kind of a cheeesy affect IMHO. You can get away with using umbrellas until you have enough money to invest in softboxes. Umrellas are ok unless there are reflections ie: eyeglasses, sunglasess that will reflect the ugly ribs of the umbrella. Wireless is nice but that will cost you lots of $$$ for the good Pocketwizard set. I've never used them and I haven't hurt anyone yet. Knock on wood. If you really want to get into studio portrait then I would suggest saving your money and getting a basic Speedotron kit. This is a very powerful and versatile system that will take any abuse you can give it. I got mine used on e**y for 1/3 price of a new one. I would also start using a medium format camera. Try a Hasselblad and you will rarely go back to shooting with your 35mm for studio portraits. I have 35mm to 4x5 camera systems and the 35mm system doesn't get much use these days. Be patient and buy only what you need. You will be amazed with what you can do with one flash head and a Rolleiflex/Hasselblad with an 80mm lens. If you don't believe me check out Irving Penn's work. The best way to learn studio lighting is to do it. Trust me it's not that hard. If you want to learn fast get an old polaroid camera with adjustable settings so you can see what you're doing. Study the polaroids and see what the light is doing to the subject. This works best if your subject is extremely patient. good luck "Ed" EdEllks@NetZero.MyPants.com wrote... > I'm sure that this has been asked here several times before, so please > forgive the question. > > Is there any concise source for learning about studio lighting? So far, > I've just been using a small soft-box type attachment for my off camera > flash using a Stroboframe, which has been pretty nice but doesn't give the > lighting control I now desire. Using Canon A2 bodies for now. I'm looking > to expand my on-site lighting setup to include a couple of umbrellas or soft > boxes. Would prefer keeping things as small as possible and possibly going > wireless to avoid the inevitable "Oops... Sorry. Was that expensive?". I > don't do this full-time and don't have any money trees in the back yard, so > the less expensive the solution is, the better. > > Also, I've seen frequent reference to "Second Curtain Sync". What does that > mean? I have no idea how these things interact with the camera and such. > Do you use a light meter then manually set the camera to match, or do these > solutions work with Canon's TTL system? Should I use optical slave flash > units and use the hot-shoe flash to trip the slaves? > > Thanks for any constructive advice you can offer.


From: Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Beginner's guide to studio lighting Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 Ed says... > Thanks to everyone on their suggestions. It's > always nice to hear from people who actually know > what they're talking about! You might also try this one: http://www.photoquack.de/tutorials/diylights.htm -- Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de


From: "Dark" Helios2@switchboardmail.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Need help with sticky tripod legs Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 I'd soak the joints with Marvel Mystery Oil(it's in the auto dept at Walmart) overnight and then take em apart and clean them with naptha or spray carb clean it the collets aren't plastic. Then trot over to Radio Shack....they have a 2 or 3 oz tube of Teflon based grease for about $3.99 if I recall right-this stuff does not attract dust and works from -60 to 600F. Put the joints back together and you should be good for several years.


From: "Bill Karoly" billkaroly@spamsucks-cox.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Any good websites for Lighting Kits? Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 Here are a couple sites taken from latest issue of Shutterbug: www.alienbees.com used by Cindy Pitts www.cindypitts.com www.bhphoto.com they carry the lights that I use. Excalibur SP-3200's www.bkaphoto.com www.briteklight.com www.white-lightning.com www.jtlcorp.com www.photographerswarehouse.com Bill "surve" surventertainment@nc.rr.com wrote... > for reasonable prices, what are some good websites for lighting kits, > strobes w/umbrellas?


From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Tripod - Bogen 3036 or 3051? Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 T Pole 1 wrote: > kevin i have lost touch with Bogen tripods, I had two and both were to small > and light for LF. I almost lost my first 4X5 due to a Bogen and some wind. I > now have a nice FAT HEAVY Gitzo. For some reson we are all concerned with > weight and geting here and there. BAH HUMBUG! You need a good heavy tripod to > hold a LF camera. > Get something that weighs atleast as much as your camera with lens and a few > holders. In other words heavier than the camera. The alternative is to buy the > smaller tripod and then carry a five ir six pound bg of sand around with you to > stabalize the camera. So, what would you rather do carry the sand or the fat > tripod? I'll go with the tripod everytime. > Hey ! Ries also makes great wooden tripods. The more I read about tripods, the happier I am with my 30+ year old Tiltall. It weighs between 5 and 6 lbs with its built-in head, and it is quick to set up and close down. It is more than adequate enough for my Toho, and I've used it for years with my Horseman 6 x 9 Technical Camera, which is actually heavier than the Toho. I thought I had lost it when the threads on one leg stripped, but epoxy fixed that. If you can find one used somewhere, grab it, particularly if you have a relatively light camera. -- Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu


Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 From: John huffy49@comcast.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Tripod - Bogen 3036 or 3051? I have the Bogen 3001, the 3036, and the 3051. The 3001 is used most often, due to its light weight, and id used only with 35mm gear. The 3036 is the most flexible, and gets used mostly with my Speed & Crown Graphics, my Mamiyas, and my Gowland View camera. The 3051 gets used to support my slide projector , and when using my Vivitar Series 1 Solid Cat 600mm f/8 lens. Due to the compavt nature of this lens (I use Canon SLRs), a really rock solid tripod is a requirement. The 3051 is substantially more steady than the 3036, which is, inturn, much better than the 3001. I can readily tell the difference when shooting the 600, and when shooting my Canon 400mm as well, though the difference is less with the shorter lens. It's easy to use, but very heavy. For field use a two wheeled golf cart would make a nice accessory. When using medium format equipment, the 3036 is more than solid enough. If shooting 8x10, the 3051 may be the ticket. or 4x5 in windy conditions, [Ed. note: ends here at ,]


From: "David" dkbowman@cox.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.misc Subject: Re: Best tripod for ground-level macro photography? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 check out the Bogen 3021. Not only can you put the center column upside down, but the tripod legs are able to spread out almost horizontally. With this capability, I've never had to mess with the center column. by the way, Amy, nice web page. David "Paul Rubin" phr-n2002b@nightsong.com wrote > "Amy Walters" amy@amystuff.com writes: > > I'm really wanting to improve my macro photography. A big step > > towards that goal is finding a good tripod for ground level work. I > > enjoy shooting insects, frogs, etc. but my current tripod is not > > suited for such low level work. Can anyone offer any suggestions? > > Most Bogen/Manfrotto tripods (and many other brands as well) have > reversable center columns, which let you get the camera all the way to > the ground.


From: "UrbanVoyeur" nospam@urbanvoyeur.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: websites for lighting kits, cheap? Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 You could... but for cheap high quality, look into used Speedotron Black line. Widely available, tough, durable, and relatively cheap used. The White lightning and Alien Bee gear is no doubt good, and for a 2 light kit it is cheap. But if you get into a 4-6 light kit, it appears to be cheaper to go with a separate head and power supply system. (like Speedo) -- J www.urbanvoyeur.com "Matt Clara" no.email@thisguy's.expense wrote > www.alienbees.com > Great equipment at an affordable price. The fella who started this line > also started the renowned White Lightning line of lighting products. In > fact, all of the alien bees products are interchangeable with the White > Lightning line. I own two B800's and like them a lot. > Matt > > "surve" surventertainment@nc.rr.com wrote > > for reasonable prices, what are some good websites for lighting kits, > > strobes w/umbrellas?


From: Bill Tuthill ca_creekin@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: looking for budget ballhead Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net wrote: > > "T.P." wrote: >> When the "Velbon Lovers" - Steve Kramer and Lisa Horton - eulogised at >> great length about the joys of the PH-173, I bought one... > > Although I've never seen mine bend as you describe, I'm less enamoured > of this head than I initially was. It's still great with the Elan 7, > but the EOS 3 has enough more vibration that it's a problem. This is > with the 70-200/2.8, with/without 2x TC. > > Imperfect as it is though, it's not easy to find a better ball head at > this weight (for the magnesium version). Lisa, have you looked at the Acratech? It's a bit heavier than some Velbons, a bit lighter than others, and supposedly has a 25# capacity. However some (short-term) owners object to the lack of tension control. You can special order Acratech ballheads with 1/4" screw for compatibility with the Velbon QR system. I have heard nothing but good things about the Markins ballheads. Their relatively new M1-PQ (panorama, Arca quick release) weighs 16.9 ounces and purports to support 60#. However it lacks progressive tension feature as patented by Arca-Swiss on the B-1. Unfortunately I have tried neither Acratech nor Markins, so my opinions are basically worthless here, as I'm sure T.P. will soon note. ;-)


From: Doug Payne dwpayne@ist.uwaterloo.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: looking for budget ballhead Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 Lisa Horton wrote: > The Velbon system does have advantages. When you drop the camera or > lens into the clamp, the clamp immediately closes so that the camera > or lens *cannot* slide or drop out of the clamp. Even if you turn the > whole rig upside down before locking down the clamp, nothing's going > to fall out. > > Then there's the weight, the Velbon plates are very light, made of > light alloy, but with hard spring steel reinforcements at wear points. I use both the Velbon system and the Manfrotto/Bogen small rectangular system. I find them about equally useful and sturdy and equally light. The Velbon plates are pretty big though, and completely unusable on something like a CoolPix 995. The raised lip on the rubber piece of the Velbon plate gets in the way of opening the back of one of my SLR's, meaning I can't use that feature on it if you have to remove a QR plate, it ain't QR). I like the Manfrotto 'architectural' plate (or whatever they're calling it these days). It has a similar lip that works perfectly for me to prevent camera twist on the head. Lately I've been looking at an Acratech ball-head, and I think I'm gonna get me one of those, minus the A-S clamp. Then I'll use a Manfrotto/Bogen QR instead; it looks as though it'll just screw right on, with no gain in weight (as would the Velbon QR), and for slightly less money. The Acratech minus A-S QR is $50 less than with the QR, and the Manfrotto 323 QR adapter is only $28. Then I'll have complete compatibility across my whole collection (ball-heads, monopods, other assorted clamps, etc). As I said, I'd rate the Manfrotto equal to or slightly better than the Velbon (which I tried on your and Steve's recommendations). Interested in a slightly used Velbon QR? :-)


From: "Sherman" sherman@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Studio Lighting on a budget Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 "Aidan" dgriffit@ashland.edu wrote > I write this in hopes that there is a wealth of knowledge and a few > people out there willing to share it with me on setting up a little > studio lighting on a rather tight budget. I want to get some better > lighting for indoor work (headshots, portrait, product, etc.) and I > really don't know what will work best for me. I'll most likely be > using an F5, N80 and Rolleiflex 3.5 Xenar for MF work. I already > have an SB-28 and extension cord for such and was wondering what > could I expect from mounting this on a light stand and bouncing it > into an umbrella. Is this going to give me sufficient light for > small indoor work? More than likely I'll be picking up a second > flash rather soon, another SB-28 probably, for backup and could use > this for a second light source. I've already got a couple of those > handy collapsible reflectors to help in putting the light where I > want it. Am I totally wrong in my thinking that this might work > until I really get the money for a nice strobe setup? I especially > like the possibility of TTL metering with the Nikon bodies. Any > comments, good or bad, are much appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > Aidan Aidan, It is totally possible to use strobes for studio lighting. Of course you give up things like modeling lights but for many applications you can get along fine without them (and there are solutions for even that). You might want to take a look at a product from Britek (others may have something similar). It is a head that will mount on a light stand and hold three flashes in hot shoes. It has a built in slave so that firing one strobe via cable will cause the others to fire as well. You can use it with a single flash also. If your budget is extremely tight take a look at the mini light stands from Britek as well. The extend to about 6 1/2 feet (not very tall but adequate for most situations) and cost about $18. They fold to about 30 inches. Britek also makes E27 (standard light sockets in the US) holders for their AC slave flashes. They have some that hold more than one flash and you can use one of the sockets for a modeling light. Britek's website is http://www.britek-light.com.tw and their online store (with *very* limited selection of their equipment is http://www.briteklight.com . They usually have an ad in Shutterbug as well. Call the 800 number and have them send you a catalog. (I have no association with Britek other than having purchased a few things from them.) As always, if you can afford it, get good brand name equipment but if finances are tight you can usually make something work. Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: "Sherman" sherman@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format, rec.photo.technique.misc,rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Studio Lighting on a budget Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 "Gordon Moat" moat@attglobal.net wrote > I will put in a good word for Britek as well. These are all plastic mostly, > but surprisingly rugged. Definitely the bottom price range for extreme > budgets. > > Rather than a softbox, you can shoot through a reflector, or diffuser. My > suggestion is to get a good flash/ambient meter, rather than rely just on TTL. > Also, cheap work lights, and stands, are available at many hardware stores, > and often much cheaper than dedicated photo gear. > > You can use small mirrors as bounce sources that act like low power flash. > Slave strobes would be slightly more expensive. You can also buy slave > attachments for regular on camera cheap flash units, and mount them off > camera. These are only good for fill light, or details. > > Art stores can be excellent sources for black, white, or silver bounce cards > (reflectors). Some small clamps, or even tape, can help with positioning. Some > car sun shade can also make good cheap reflectors, especially silver ones. > > If you are shooting professionally, renting your lighting can be very > effective. Often your set-up on location can vary, and you will need adaptable > gear. When you find yourself using similar gear over many shoots, then you may > have a better idea of what to buy. Buying used would then be a good next step. > > Ciao! > Gordon Moat > Alliance Graphique Studio > http://www.allgstudio.com Gordon, I recently purchased two folding reflectors meant for placing on automobile dashboards to keep the sun out. They measure 22" x 28" and have one highly reflective silver side and a sort of matte finish side. They are virtually indistingquishable from those sold as photo reflectors, they fold down to about 12" round and 1" thick. They cost $9.95 US for the pair at the local grocery store. I also made some softboxes. The first I made from mat board (4 ply) and it is about 16" square. I use a thin white fabric I got at the local fabric store as a diffuser. It works extremely well with no noticeable color shifting. The other two I made from poster board which is much lighter in weight. I am testing some packing foam sheets as diffusers for them and it appears to also work very well. There is photo equipment all around if we look for it! Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: T.P. t.p@noemailthanks.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Studio Lighting on a budget Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 "Aidan" dgriffit@ashland.edu wrote: >I write this in hopes that there is a wealth of knowledge and a few >people out there willing to share it with me on setting up a little >studio lighting on a rather tight budget. I want to get some better >lighting for indoor work (headshots, portrait, product, etc.) and I >really don't know what will work best for me. I'll most likely be >using an F5, N80 and Rolleiflex 3.5 Xenar for MF work. I already >have an SB-28 and extension cord for such and was wondering what >could I expect from mounting this on a light stand and bouncing it >into an umbrella. Is this going to give me sufficient light for >small indoor work? More than likely I'll be picking up a second >flash rather soon, another SB-28 probably, for backup and could use >this for a second light source. I've already got a couple of those >handy collapsible reflectors to help in putting the light where I >want it. Am I totally wrong in my thinking that this might work >until I really get the money for a nice strobe setup? I especially >like the possibility of TTL metering with the Nikon bodies. Any >comments, good or bad, are much appreciated. Thanks in advance. follow-ups set to rec.photo.equipment.35mm ONLY It is perfectly possible to use Nikon SB-28s and umbrellas, mini soft boxes etc.. However, if you want TTL flash control, you will also need to buy Nikon's expensive SC-18/19 TTL cords, AS-10 TTL flash couplers and/or the wonderful TTL auto slaves whose model number I can't recall just now (maybe AS-4?). However, using two SB-28s and all these accessories is emphatically NOT a budget option. A real budget option would be to use the SB-28 that you already have, with a portable, collapsible reflector to fill in the shadows. All you need to buy is a reflector, probably costing about $25. Another, more expensive option (but cheaper than buying another SB-28 and all the other paraphernalia) would be to buy a set of photoflood lights and lighting stands. In the UK this could be done for about $150. I can't imagine it would cost more in the USA. You would need to use tungsten balanced film. Finally, starter kits of studio flash gear start from about $500. Buy a well-known brand rather than some junk made in China (pun intended) and consider a starter set from a top quality brand such as Elinchrom. Why buy Elinchrom? Because you will probably never need to change brand in the future. That's what I did, and I have no regrets. Other budget suggestions: Choose a Sunpak MZ-5000 instead of the SB-28, saving at least 40% of the cost. Choose an even cheaper flash gun (still Nikon-dedicated for TTL auto flash control) and use the saving to buy that *wonderful* Nikon TTL auto slave. Buy a refurbished used studio flash kit or components. If you finally decide to buy another SB-28, DON'T!!! Buy the SB-80DX instead. It replaced the SB-28 in the Nikon range and has full TTL auto flash compatibility with Nikon digital SLRs. That came only with the still more expensive SB-28DX.


Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: looking for budget ballhead From: Magnus W vader@death-star.com Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net wrote > "T.P." wrote: >> It has a big blue plastic-coated ball It's anodized aluminium -- I have scratched mine, so I know. >> and a huge clamp that sits on >> top of the ball, leaving both sides exposed when in the 'normal' >> position. I have the larger of the two, which has adjustable tension. > > How do you like this head Tony? I know that you are demanding in your > standards for heads, so I'm wonding how this one stacks up in your > opinion. It looks interesting. While I ain't no Tony Polson I also own this head in its largest incarnation (there are three sizes). It is a mixed bag. It has an optional panning base, which I don't use, and also exists in a quick-release version (Novoflex proprietary) which I also do not own. The latter may be discontinued by now. Negative things are mostly minor. One is that the design of the head means that it gives different friction depending on which way you flop the head. Another is that the locking handle is quite large, and sits in exactly the right (wrong) position to interfere with the vertical grip on one of my cameras. This may be an issue only with that specific camera model however, haven't tried any other large cameras on it. The third, and biggest problem with it is that it due to its design where the clamp rotates on the ball can't tilt much forward or backwards. If you want to tilt more, you will have to remove the camera (or lens) from the head and turn it 90 degrees, but then you can't flop the camera to its side. With, say, an Arca-Swiss or any other traditional ballhead you can rotate the legs so the cutout gets in the right direction (or use a panning base to achieve the same). Yeah, and due to the fact that the ball is completely unprotected, it can be scratched if you bang it around (as noted above!). Otherwise it's a fine head, with near perfect friction control (greaseless) and stable as a rock for all lenses I own. I use it on a set of Manfrotto 055B tripod legs. I am satisfied with it, and I got it at a very good price, but I am still wondering if I shouldn't have sunk the money into the Arca-Swiss system instead. Or the Acratech Ultimate Ballhead, which looks like a really nice head and weighs half of the Novoflex one. They are normally in the same ballpark, price-wise. Sure, the MagicBall looks freaky and all, but you won't be sitting all day looking at it, no?


From: Bill Tuthill ca_creekin@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: help on buying a tripod Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 Morten Rosenmeier morten.rosenmeier@e-box.dk wrote: > If you want a really top quality ball head I can recommend a "Magicball" > from the German firm Novoflex (www.Novoflex.de). It has another construcion > than other ball heads and it is extremely smooth. Novoflex also makes a > really excellent quick release system called Miniconnect, and plates to be > used with the Arca Swiss quick release system. I'm not really sure what's the big advantage of the Magicball, aside from its effect of making others gawk. According to the numbers, other ballheads have much higher weight/capacity ratios (sorry 'bout Limey units): weight supports ratio price Acratech Ultimate 15.9 oz 25 lbs 1.572 $270 Arca Swiss B-1 27.2 oz 90 lbs 3.309 $400 Burzynski Protec 35.3 oz 99 lbs 2.805 $300 Kirk BH-2 QR 32.0 oz >40 lbs 1.250 $340 Kirk BH-3 QR 20.0 oz >20 lbs 1.000 $240 Markins M1-PQ 16.9 oz 60 lbs 3.550 $290 Markins M2-PQ 20.5 oz 80 lbs 3.902 $290 Novoflex Magicball 32.3 oz 22 lbs .681 $265 Novoflex Mini 11.6 oz 11 lbs .948 $160


From russian camera mailing list: From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 Subject: Re: [Russiancamera] Studio lights Anya at oui@paco.net wrote: > Hello > > Does anyone know if there is online site I can find out more about studio > lighting ??what equipment and techniques , how to use and control ?? > > Best wishes Anya Most of the companies making studio lights have web sites, but only promoting their own products of course! There are two sites with good teaching setups on studio lighting, but both are sites you must pay to visit. One is Robert Farber's site (www.photoworkshop.com) and the other is the Photoflex's Web Photo School. Go to www.photoflex.com and click on Free Lessons to see what this is all about. Bob


From: dahessesr@attbi.com (Dana H) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Bob Krist's tripod strap? Date: 10 Sep 2002 "Kel" ..kelly.berry@attbi.com wrote > On page 61 of the August 2002 issue of Pop Photo, Bob Krist praises the > Gitzo 1228 tripod. One of the photos shows a shoulder strap clipped to a > couple of rings on one leg of the tripod. > > Do these rings come on the tripod? an accessory? custom modification? > > This is the best way I have seen to attach a strap to a tripod. > > Other suggestions? > > Kel Mr. Krist's tripod strap arrangement is homemade. I remember him writing about it in an old "Nat. Geo. Traveler," I believe. Or perhaps one of his books on travel photography. Wish I could remember more. Dana


From: "zeitgeist" blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups:rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Studio Lighting on a budget Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 The z-prophoto mailing list at yahoogroups.com has lots of articles on inexpensive set ups, including an authorized scanning of Dean Collins' Tinker Tubes where he diagrams a dozen different studio and location lighting devices from light panel reflectors to huge light banks, all made with pvc pipe and most based on using one flash. Its available in pdf and jpg format. Plus there are lots of articles on concepts of lighting, how to make do with what you have, what you can do for free, (IE: the SB28 is fairly strong so you could bounce it off a side wall for an effect like a large softbox.


From: T.P. t.p@noemailthanks.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: looking for budget ballhead Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 matt@gol.com (Matthew Endo) wrote: >T.P. t.p@noemailthanks.com wrote: > >> I wonder if an Arca owner ever finds a need for a Dremel? > >Nope, because they buy RRS plates that are custom designed, individually >CNC machined for the specific purpose and camera, to avoid such >shortcomings of a generic plate system like the Velbon or >Bogen/Manfrotto. Someone who can afford the Arca ballhead can also >afford the plates for the system. > >People who balk at purchasing $50+ plates are not the type to use the >system. I can't see how photographers with a camera in the $1000+ range >start to skimp at the most important part of the system, the >tripod/ballhead/release system. However, people who are on a budget and >have $300 bodies/lenses are probably not going to pay $400+ just for a >ballhead/release system. I use Arca-style plates. They cost me either $22 or $34 each - actually Euros, but that's near enough to a dollar these days. I "customised" them myself to suit my camera bodies and re-modified them when I changed brands from Nikon to Canon earlier this year. They may look ugly, but they work every bit as well as did my RRS plate for the Nikon F100, which I purchased (used) for $15. If you possess some very basic metalworking skills (... and a Dremel!) there is simply no need to buy RRS plates, whether you can afford them or not! >It's great to have a snap in plate but those with bodies/lenses well >over $2500 (such as a F100/80-200 2.8 AF-S combination) probably aren't >going to trust their gear and will take the extra few seconds with the >A-S system. Anyone who needs an extra "few seconds" with the Arca type of plate needs more practice or maybe even tuition. >It sounds like you are one of those people who have taken the leap of >faith to the A-S system (if you search r.p.e.35mm and photo.net for my >previous posts, you'll see that I am in agreement) and cannot accept any >compromise with the equipment. Wrong. see above. >Remember the subject line, it says "budget ballhead" and I figure that >means less than $200. Your perception of budget may differ (YMMV). Wrong. My ballhead cost me $175 new and it easily supports a plate camera. Bye!


From: T.P. t.p@noemailthanks.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: looking for budget ballhead Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 Bill Tuthill ca_creekin@yahoo.com wrote: > >Thanks, I'll add this to the list (including pre-Chinese Tiltall) >of old or discontinued equipment that I may buy if ever found used. LOL! We should compare lists ... ! I have a US-made Tiltall (pre-Leitz) and it's a super tripod both for 35mm and smaller medium format gear. Don't forget the Leica Table Tripod. It's still available new after several decades but it's a very good used buy. It hardly ever wears out and would be easy to repair if it did. >There is a picture of the Hama Pro Ball at the bottom of this page: > > http://www.dotlinecorp.com/dl_cat_D/-D03_ballheads.html That's the one for 35mm. There was also one for medium format. Mine is the large format version, which is similar in appearance to the ProBall 35 but massively larger. It weighs 3kg (6.6 lb) and will support 30kg (66 lb). It's much too big and heavy for most 35mm work, and for the Tiltall, but the added stability with studio and location Manfrotto tripods is well worth it. It has a very fine adjustment of ball tension which, together with a large release lever, gives excellent control. >So did you mount an Arca-compatible QR release on this head, to be >used with Hama plates? Did Hama also make a QR mechanism? Hama made their own QR system which is compatible with Arca's. The "Arca system" is not unique to Arca. It has been used by several European manufacturers over the years. I think it would be difficult to patent something so simple. Hama make two sizes of plate to go with the QR system on my ball head. The smaller size appeared in the Hama catalog as "medium format" and the larger as "large format". Instead, I use the smaller one for 35mm and the larger one for medium format. I cannot fault this system - except for its weight. Of course, more weight often means more stability and therefore more sharpness, so I'm not complaining! However, I also use a Cullmann Magic Ball for 35mm. I would not swap either system for an Arca.


From: "MatShop" webmaster@matshop.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.marketplace Subject: Articles Framing Tips "The Enemies" and Shadow Boxes Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 Hello Photographers and photography buffs... MatShop is happy to announce that we have two more informative articles now posted. (Both articles contain images and thus could not be posted here, or at least I don't know how to post them here with images. ;-) ) Framing Tips - Sun, Moisture & Heat http://matshop.net/framing_tips01.html An article on these three enemies of picture framing and how to fight them What is Shadow Box Framing? http://matshop.net/shadow_boxes.html An article on shadow box frames and shodow boxes and their many uses for your collectibles. We hope you enjoy the articles and find them informative. Webmaster MatShop


From leica topica mailing list: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 From: Oliver Steiner violindevil@yahoo.com Subject: Homebrew "studio lighting" Not having any "snoots", "barn doors", "umbrellas" and the like, but wanting to try for an indoor flash portrait with some measure of lighting control, I rigged up a simple arrangement which is described at the top of my web page, along with the newly posted pop-up photo. Clicking on the web address below will take you there. Comments are most welcome! -Ollie http://www.web-graphics.com/steinerphoto


Subject: Re: cable release From: Bob Salomon bobsalomon@mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 Robert Feinman at robertdfeinman@netscape.net wrote > I need a couple of plain 8 inch long cable releases for a grip I built, > does anyone know of a source? (brand or dealer) > thanks.. Gepe-Pro has virtually every type of release you may want. Cloth, PVC, Steel Mesh, HD Spiral Steel, Standard Spiral Steel covers, rotating tips, T-Lock or Zeiss Lock or no lock. All are German made. Lengths, depending on cover, 6 to 40". HP Marketing Corp. 800 735-4373 US distributor for: Ansmann, Braun, CombiPlan, DF Albums, Ergorest, Gepe, Gepe-Pro, Giottos, Heliopan, Kaiser, Kopho, Linhof, Novoflex, Pro-Release, Rimowa, Rodenstock, Sirostar, Tetenal Cloths and Ink Jet Papers, VR, Vue-All archival negative, slide and print protectors, Wista, ZTS see www.hpmarketingcorp.com for dealer listings


From leica topica mailing list: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 From: "Sal DiMarco,Jr." sdmp007@pressroom.com Subject: Strobe batteries For all of you out there who realize the use of light is a good thing when done properly... check out www.underdog-battery.com . The company make small rechargable batteries for most hand strobes. The owner is a long time friend. Tell him I refered you to him and he will charge you an extra 10%. Happy Snaps, Sal Sal DiMarco, Jr. Philadelphia, PA


From nikon mf mailing list: Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 From: "Richard Cochran" rcochran@lanset.com Subject: Re: Cable(s) Recommendation for off-camera flash setup --- In NikonMF@y..., "pwburton1" pwburton1@y... wrote: > All, > > I have a Nikon FE and two flashes I would like to use in an off- > camera arrangement; a Speedlight sb-15 and a Vivitar 285HV. What > cable(s) would you recommend for these two flashes with my camera? > Would one cable work for both flashes? Finally, for my learning, > why should I care what cable I use? I'd recommend hooking only one flash to the camera with a cable, and using a slave to trigger the other flash wirelessly from the first one. That avoids any potential electrical problems from trying to directly wire both flashes to the same sync terminals, and it reduces the possibility of tripping over wires. Nikon's SC-17 would work as a cable, and it would preserve TTL if your flashes and camera supported it, but it's overkill for your camera/flashes, and it's a bit expensive. http://www.paramountcords.com will custom make a cable with whatever connectors you want on each end, of whatever length you want. I'd recommend them. While the FE will accept a standard PC sync cord, I prefer the Nikon locking threaded sync cord, because it never comes unplugged accidentally. It IS a slower to connect and disconnect, however. A cord that plugs into your hot shoe is another alternative, and it should work about as well as one that connects via the PC sync terminal. A Wein hotshoe slave will trigger whichever flash you choose to not connect directly to the camera. There's not much to get excited about regarding basic sync cords. Anything with the right connectors on each end will work, and there's no difference in the photographic results. But the cords and connectors can be a bit fussy, and few things are more frustrating than a sync cord with an intermittent connection. So get a well-made cord. I've got a few more tips on off-camera flash basics at http://www.lanset.com/rcochran/flash --Rich


From: John Halliwell john@photopia.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How to use the Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce? Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 Rich Pos rich@wrongaddress.net writes >Been using one for some time and like it, although I don't use it when >a ceiling is availble to bounce the flash. It indeed does look like a >bare bulb. Mine is used with a vivitar 285 and manual cameras. With my >285 the effective distance without any exposure compensation is about >25'. I've never used it at 90 degrees as Stofen suggests 45 degrees >unless using a camera with TTL. For 20 bucks, go ahead and try it. I >like the way it eliminates hard shadows, particularly with vertically >framed shots. Stofen claims the workable limit is your strobes >effective range / 2.5. >The diffuser also works well with wide angle lenses. Another strong >point is fill flash for portraits. I performed some informal tests (with a flash meter not film) with a Stofen on my 283. Without the Stofen, the 283 auto sensor was uncannily accurate (to a couple of tenths of a stop at least). With the Stofen (at 90 degrees - didn't try 45), everything went screwy, the flash was underexposed by varying amounts and seemed inconsistent and unpredictable. I tried shielding the sensor in varying ways but without much success. Other flashgun sensors may be less effected by the modified light output. I bought a remote sensor cord, but this means you need a bracket of some sort to hold it all together. I can't see much point using a Stofen at 45 degrees, if you're going to use bounce flash I don't think it'd help much and if you haven't got something to bounce off, 45 degrees is going to loose a lot of flash power. I taped some parchment paper over the head of one of my 283s (harder to remove and replace quickly). I haven't tested it (or used it much in anger) so can't comment if it helps much. -- John Preston, Lancs, UK. Photos at http://www.photopia.demon.co.uk


From: rpn1@cornell.edu (Neuman - Ruether) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How to use the Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 Viken Karaguesian wrote: >I'm considering  buying a Sto-fen Omni Bounce for my Minolta 3500xi >flash. I'm just wondering how exactly I should be using this. I've read >the directions (thru th bad) and it says use it with the flash angled at >45 degrees unless used in TTL flash mode. My camera (Minolta 800si) has >TTL mode, but I've never actually *seen* anyone use it with the flash at >90 degrees. What tye of results should I expect with the flash angled at >45 degrees versus 90? >Does it work well with telephoto lenses (up to 200mm) or should I use >it mostly with 28-105 zoom lenses? Is it good for portraits? Will I lose >a lot of flash distance? Does it do a good job spreading out the flash? >Thanks in advance for any  replies. >Viken Karaguesian One came with a used flash I bought, and like many flash add-on "diffusers", it is most of the time just a power waster. Unless the flash source size is ***CONSIDERABLY*** increased (and the subject-flash distance is relatively short), shadows are not softened. The bounce effect is useless unless the reflective surface is VERY close, since a nearly even proportion of light is bounced compared with direct light, and the additional distance effect and losses in the reflection place the reflected light level too low to be useful. Possible uses: widening the lighting coverage for wide-angle lenses, and placing the light (with the flash turned up) in a better location for vertical photos (but a simple, cheap styrofoam cup will serve as well for these purposes - and it can also increase the light source size more, but this is effective only at short subject-flash distances ...). (BTW, it is preferable to avoid using HTML in these text NGs when posting...) David Ruether rpn1@cornell.edu http://www.ferrario.com/ruether


From: NickC n-chen@attbi.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How to use the Sto-Fen Omni-Bounce? Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 ...(quotes query above) I have a Sto-Fen Omni Bounce and on occasion use it. I'm aware that Sto-Fen recommends that the proper use of the flash would be at a 45 degree angle, and if I were using it indoors, that's what I would do. But when shooting outdoors, and close to peoples faces, I have used the flash successfully at 90 degrees. As to what the results would be between using 45 degrees as opposed to 90 degrees, I suggest that when indoors and ceilings are at conventional height, use the 45 degree angle because the bounce effect does help reduce close subject shadow. When out doors you would be losing a lot of light at 45 degrees, so it would be best to use it at 90 degrees. My use of the Omni Bounce has been limited to 85mm or 105 mm use. Basically, I don't use it where subjects are, say over about ten feet away from my lens. I've noticed local paparazzi using the Sto-Fen at 90 degrees when running up to a notable and blasting him or her at close range. Nick


From: "doughnut" please.reply.to.newsgroup@nospam.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Travel Tripods Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 "Jack A. Zucker" jaz@jackzucker.com wrote... > Thanks. I should have specified my requirements. I want something under > 2.5lbs and under 16" folded. It needs to be able to fit inside a backpack or > large camera bag. Carbon fibre units will give you the best support available in a small & light package. The Manfrotto already mentioned is good, but if you want to go even smaller and lighter, look at the Slik Pro 804 CF. It's closer to your limits than the Manfrotto, but still a bit over (17.7" 2.6lbs.). Slik also has the much less expensive Pro 340DX which is not carbon fibre or aluminum (it's AMT alloy) but is still remarkably small, light, and strong (17.3" 2.8lbs.).'


From: Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Speedotron Lights Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.people Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 Robin Burns wrote: > I'm planning to buy a studio flash setup to do indoor portraits on a > hobby level. I prefer a pack-based system over monolights and I'm > considering getting a Speedotron Brown Line power pack (1600 joule) > along with 2-3 heads. They are nice units, have been around for 20 years, easy to repair -- no hitech integrated circuitry, and inexpensive on the used market. The 1600WS unit is slow to charge, about 4 seconds, when set for full power. I suggest that you get a couple of 800WS ones instead. Makes for more versatility and less cables on the floor. In most cases, 800WS is more than enough power for a 3 or 4 light portrait setup. Plus the 800WS unit charges to full power in about 1.5 seconds. The Brownlines were originally intended for the studio portrait photographer. > Is the Speedotron Brown Line of reasonable quality? Novatron was also > recommended to me, but I've heard bad things about its quaility on the > newsgroups. Any other recommendations? Novatrons have improved a lot since they first debuted. For a hobbiest, they would be a good choice, not a versatile as the Brownlines, but not bad either. Dynalites are excellent, compact, lightweight, professional units, but pricey. Not as pricey as some, but pricey, even used. However, if you can get a 2 pack/3 head setup with the case for what you intend to spend on the Brownlines, buy them. There are a lot of flashes out there. Best do some searches and then ask here for opinions. I use Ascors, the QC-1000 units. Been shooting commercial stuff with them for 20 years and have had only one unit -- I have 4 1000WS ones with 8 heads -- fail in all that time. When you can find used ones, they a very inexpensive. Not a big demand. And since they have no fancy IC circuitry and use standard off-the-shelf parts, most any strobe repair shop can fix them. They are heavy. The power packs alone weights 18 lbs., but recycle to full power in 1 sec flat, all day without overheating, and only pulls 15 amps max continuous, any that's with 1000 watts of modeling lamps, too. I use them in the studio and Dynalites for location work. -- Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com


From: haijack_remove_@onr.com (RD) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: Flash Power for Portraits? Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 Robin Burns r_f_burns@hotmail.com wrote: >How much flash power will I realistically need for portraits? My opinion may go against the grain, but I don't use flash for portraits at home. I've found that cheap reflector flood lights do an excellent job of lighting indoors when combined with overhead incandescents. You can bounce them off the ceiling and walls or use umbrellas/diffusers. Add a tungsten filter, do a few test shots with a family pet or other familiar subject (to verify color balance), and you're set. I started doing it this way after being generally disappointed with home flash shots. I was faced with the prospect of either spending lots of money, effectively building a home studio, or using non-flash illumination. With the flood lights, I can set the system up in less than fifteen minutes (if only one subject), and because the lighting doesn't change when I take the shot, what I see is what I get. My suggestion is that you try this before investing lots of money in strobes and the like. If you don't like the results, you'll only lose the cost of the filter and a few $4 lights. JL


From: zeus@cix.compulink.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Indoor architectural photography Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 > I am interested in experimenting with photographing rooms in houses > showing both architectural details and furnishings. I've never had > a lot of luck with artifical lighting and I don't have much in the > way of lighting equipment anyway, so I thought I would start off > with daylight window lighting and see what happens. Generally lighting is used for lowering contrast between the lit area of a room (ie where the window is) and the darkest part of the room (ie furthest from the window) You will generally need to reduce this contrast by using lights or reflectors, as film will not capture detail in both shadow and highlights. (it will look ok to you but not the film) > According to Kodak, Portra NC160 requires no reciprocity failure > correction for up to 10 seconds exposure. I use Fuji NPS for exposures up to a couple of minutes with no problems any small colour shifts can be fixed during printing. > Any suggestions about how to proceed? I will be using a Toho view > camera, mostly I suspect with a 90 mm lens. Sounds like a good start equipment wise, for starters try keeping the camera parallel to walls and use shift where needed, rooms with furniture will generally need the camera at eye height (or above) and the use of drop front to keep things looking natural Avoid bright sunny days, overcast is better initially. (tho shafts of sunlight can be great) Avoid North facing rooms Use fuji neg film or the excellent ProviaF (120 sec exposures no problem) look for texture and detail. If no lights - shoot small sections of a room, look for mood, muddy boots in a hallway etc Use scrunched up newspaper (burning) in fireplaces USE POLAROIDS - even just B/W I would strongly recommend reading Professional Interior Photography author = Michael Harris ISBN 0-240-51475-0 probably in your local library regards Mark http://www.architecturalphotographers.co.uk


From: "Bill Karoly" billkaroly@spamsucks-cox.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Model Posing guides online? Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 got this on another group: http://www.brawleyhigh.org/~graphics/posing/ http://photographytips.com/page.cfm/371 http://www.ultimateangles.com/posing_guides.htm http://www.thephotopages.com/classes/bpg-intro.html "Bill Karoly" billkaroly@spamsucks-cox.net wrote > Anyone know of any online model posing guides? > > Thanks, > Bill


From: "William E. Graham" weg9@attbi.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: how do you archive slides? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 "The Davec" thedave9@yahoo.com wrote > How do most of you archive and store transparancies/slides? Do you have > them mounted, or developed in strips? I like the idea of leaving developed > in strips, but then you have to cut them anyway when you want a particular > one, plus you're more prone to have the extras hanging around. When mounted > they seem bulkier, but you easily discard the extras. Just curious as to > what others do. Thanks. I number each slide with a pen filled with black ink. Then I enter into my excel spread sheet program the number, subject, location, and date. One could also enter the film type, camera/lens used, or any other data one was interested in. Then, I pack the slide away in cardboard boxes made for that purpose, and put the numbers (beginning and ending) of the slides in each box on the ends of the box. I can sort the excel data on subject, date, location, or any other column that I have, so I can find all the slides taken of my son (for instance) and pull them from storage very easily. Or pull all the ones taken in one particular month just as easily, or at one particular location. (like the zoo, for instance) All I have to remember to do, is to put the slide back in its proper location when I am done with it.


From: "Tony Spadaro" tspadaro@ncmaps.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: how do you archive slides? Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 I cut mine into strips and file them in Printfile pages. Every film I shoot has a unique number, and they are stored in order. I also run every film through my scanner for a low res (500dpi) contact scan. These are archived to Cds, and I make pages of contact prints too. The original scans are also entered into Portfolio, an image database and keywords are entered to cover main themes, as well as information about when it was shot, the film, etc. Mounted slides take up far too much room, and I've learned from the past that the "tossers" can come in awfully handy if the "keepers" are damaged or destroyed. I never throw out more than one or two frames per film. -- http://chapelhillnoir.com


From camera fix mailing list: Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com Subject: Re: Norman flash dot com Don Doucette at DoucettePhotography@cogeco.ca wrote: > Hey everyone, does anyone have any insight into what happened to the > Norman web site http://www.normanflash.com > I used to get to it with that URL now it has vanished. Go to: http://www.bookendzdocks.com/normanold/norman.htm Norman was bought by Photo Control Corp. not too long ago and this is why their old site was taken down. Bob


Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 From: Joseph Codispoti joecodi@clearsightusa.com To: ian@ianbarnes.co.uk, hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Re: Lighting Ian, in a few words, short lighting refer to (mostly, if not only, in portraiture) photographing the subject in cross light on the shadow side, while broad light is the subject lighted from the camera side. Short lighting is used to slim a wide face while broad light is used to fill a slender face. Look at this site for more details on several variations of portrait lighting: http://photographytips.com/page.cfm/2976 Cheers, Joe ...


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 From: Henry Posner/B&H; Photo-Video henryp@bhphotovideo.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Re: Lighting you wrote: >I wonder if you could clarify short and broad lighting please Henry. >It is not a term I have come across in the UK. I'm surprised -- they're standard lighting terms as far as I know. For this particular discussion here's the easy way: The bride is never square on to the camera. She's always turned 30 to 45 degrees from the lens' axis. If you don't turn her enough the width makes her look heavier than she is; if you turn her too far you're shooting into her shoulder. Anyway, if her torso is pointing to YOUR left, the main light should be to your right, and vice versa. In more general terms, broad & short lighting refer to the illumination on the face. In classic portraiture the face is never square on to the camera. See for some illustrations. The classic portraitist divides the face vertically into thirds, like longitude lines. In the image from the page I mention above, you see 2/3rds of the right side of her face (she's looking camera-right) and 1/3rd of the left side of her face. Her right side is the broad side (because you see more of it) but the main light is coming from the others (short) side of her face. (By the way, this is not my site, nor are these my images, nor are they particularly outstanding. They're just the first decent examples I could find using google. This is no insult to the image-maker -- it's obvious they're teaching tools and not customer-ready finished work). PLEASE do not be bamboozled by the phrase "Rembrant lighting" which is actually 4:1 or 5:1 broad lighting. What most people mean when they bandy about that phrase is that the main light forms a triangle of illumination under the eye on the side of the face opposite the position of the main light. Finally, at the site I mention above, the author's advice about eye size and hair parts is 100000000000% WRONG. When you look at objects in the real world, closer objects are larger. Placing the just makes a face which is SUPPOSED to have different size eyes look unnaturally symmetrical. No one's face is symmetrical. Further, the vertical distance from the eye down to the corner of the mouth is longer on the side of the face with the larger eye. Draw a horizontal line across the center of both eyes and another across the mouth from corner to corner. Extend them past the face until they converge. If the larger eye is closer to the camera, the two lines will intersect behind the plane of the subject (as they do in real life -- just like lane lines in the road seem to converge at infinity) but if the smaller eye is to the camera, the drawn lines will seem to converge in front of the subject. Except for Einstein, this doesn't happen in real life. -- regards, Henry Posner Director of Sales and Training B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 From: gdkenney@bellatlantic.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] OT: Which ball head for Gitzo tripod? Steve, I'd suggest sifting thru posts at Photo.net about the Arca-Swiss. Some people seem to have experienced terrible problems with unexpected, irreversible lock-up. And not particularly good dealer or manufacturer support. Others, never. It's a fraught issue. Operator error, or shoddy manufacturing tolerances? "Best of the best?" Who knows? When they work, clearly they're great! Probably it's nice to have one in your kit, with a backup just in case... G. PS I'm wondering where Godfrey noticed the FOBA sale??


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramarren@bayarea.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] OT: Which ball head for Gitzo tripod? The lock-up problem with the Arca-Swiss head is due to the funky way they use a setscrew as a limit stop on the main tensioning knob to set the base friction adjustment. The setscrew can vibrate its way to a very tight, locked-up state in certain conditions, which jams the main tensioning knob. It could be eliminated easily with a little bit of engineering redesign ... I've seen this kind of thing before in other devices and the redesign required is neither difficult nor expensive to implement. I have no idea why they haven't done it. My dealer notified me when I bought the SuperMiniball Plus that FOBA had just announced the discount program to them and they were passing the savings along to me. I'd ordered the head at $300, they discounted and sold it to me at $240. I believe the program started on October 01, I don't know when it ends. Godfrey


Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 From: mary parisi meparisi@pacbell.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Re: Which ball head for Gitzo I have the Arca-Swiss B1 which I use for both my Hasselblad and my 4x5. I really like it and find its movements to be solid and accurate. I'm always looking for light weight gear so when I bought a second lighter Gitzo I bought a Foba mini superball with the arca style quick release plate. The Foba is a little lighter then the B1 but it is no where near as nice and the movement isn't as smooth. The release lever doesn't handle as fluidly as the arca's knob either. Several times the knob on the Foba that tightens the release clamp fell off and had to be replaced. I've stopped using it and now only use the arca-swiss head. Also my arca head has a pan feature which is very useful if you want to turn the camera without releasing the ball. The arca is a thing of beauty and it both looks and feels solid and well made. Mary


From: "Jan Werbiski" janwer@pa54.zgora.sdi.tpnet.pl Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: monolights - which, why, how much? Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 ... > Can someone point me to a comprehensive comparison between the various > monolight offerings currently on the market? How do Britek compare against > WhiteLightening or Photogenic (for example)? When is 330WS really 800WS (as > some Ask your dealer to compare with flashmeter various lights with the same softbox (and with former you plan to use) for a few distances in the center and at the floor. That's what my Hensel dealer did for me. This give you real hard info. -- Jan Werbiski Strona domowa http://pa54.zgora.sdi.tpnet.pl/jw/


Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Q: monolights - which, why, how much? From: Jerry Gardner w6uv@hotmail.com Christoper M Perez wrote: > I did a quick search on google and failed to turn up what I am looking > for. > > Can someone point me to a comprehensive comparison between the various > monolight offerings currently on the market? How do Britek compare > against WhiteLightening or Photogenic (for example)? When is 330WS > really 800WS (as some manufacturers indicate)? Is a setup reasonable > to achieve with $750 burning a hole in one's pocket? Or does this > require vaster sums of silly-money? I've been doing a lot of research on this subject as well. It looks like you have to take WS ratings with a grain of salt. All a WS rating really means is that the capacitors can hold that much energy. How that gets translated into light output is dependent on the efficiency of the flashtube, the reflector, etc. A monolight with a rating of x WS may be twice (or half) as powerful with respect to light output as another model with the same WS rating. Manufacturers tend to inflate the ratings of their products to make them look more competitive. If you have a copy of the Calumet catalog, they have (or had, I don't have the most recent edition) a table showing the actual measured light output from various pack&head; systems and monolights. Someone on another forum said this information came from the Chimera website, but I haven't been able to find it there. For $750 you should be able to get something that will meet your needs. Search the archives of the photo newsgroups at Google and also look here: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-one-category?topic_id=35category=Flash% 20and%20Studio. In addition to White Lightning and Photogenic, look at Alien Bees (owned by the same guy as White Lightning), Elinchrom (Style 300 & 600), and Speedotron (Force 5). Make sure you get sturdy stands. Monolights can weigh 8 pounds or more and that's a lot of weight to have sitting at 10' on a flimsy stand. -- Jerry Gardner w6uv@hotmail.com


From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: How to use Flash on a Mamiya C3 Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 Slavko Eror wrote: > Hi all, > > I would greatly appreciate if someone could explain to me how to use flash > on a Mamiya C3. > Since I only used TTL flash on 35mm SLRs before I don't really know anything > about manual settings, guide numbers etc. You have to get yourself an external flash gun. I have a couple of old Vivtar 283 flashes, and I think they still make equivalent models. Get one that has sufficient power for what you intend to do. Also get one that has a sensor in it. My flash has three automatic sensors settings for the flash and one manual setting. On the side of the flash is a calculator. You set a pointer to the film speed, and you estimate the distance to the subject either in feet or meters. The scale then shows by a color code, what f-stop you should set your lens at, depending on the sensor setting. For each color, there is a range of distances that will work with that f-stop . The flash then delivers precisely the right amount of light to the subject. For leaf shutters, like those in the Mamiya lenses, the shutter is usually set at 1/60th. That is long enough to be sure the entire flash occurs with the shutter open but not long enough for ambient light to make a difference in the image. If you use manual operation, you use a guide number. The rule is quite simple. You divide the guide number by the distance from the flash to the subject and that gives you the f-stop. But the guide number depends on the speed of the film and the units used to measure distance. My Vivitar 283, for example, givens guide numbers either for ASA settings for film speed assuming distance is measured in feet or for DIN settings assuming distance is measured in meters. The flash has to be synchronized with the shutter, so the shutter is completely open when the shutter is released. There is a protruding plug on the upper right of the lens board when viewed from the front. Using an appropriate cable, you plug in an external flash to the plug. There is something that looks like a hot shoe on the right side of the camera, again viewed from the front. You can slide the flash into that, but it has no connection I can see to the lens shutter, so you still need the cable. (For my 283, if I slide the flash into the slot, it is facing backwards.) The cable provides an electrical connection, so that releasing the shutter causes the flash to flash at the appropriate instant. It should come with the flash, but you can buy such cable separately. However, the ends can be different for different flashes, so make sure you don't get the wrong one. The lens shutter probably also has a setting on the side marked XM. The pointer is black so it may be difficult to see. This should be set to X for electronic flash. The M was for the old flashbulbs which had to be synchronized differently. As noted before, you probably don't want to put the flash on the camera directly. You can probably buy a bracket that attaches to the tripod mount on the bottom of the camera to which you can connect the flash. I got an aluminum bar at a hardware store or somewhere else and fashioned one of my own. You of course need something to slide the flash shoe into to hold it, but you can probably buy something like that a good photo supply store. Otherwise you will have to improvise. For formal portraiture, you might want to use more than one flash. These can be mounted at some distance from the camera on stands. You can connect the primary flash to the camera by a long cable. You can then get slave units to connect through a small cable (or the hot shoe) to the second flash. The camera shutter causes the first flash to go off and its light causes the second flash to go off, all within the 1/60th of a second the shutter is open. You can probably also get some sort of remote control mechanism which provides a non cable link between the camera shutter and the first flash. You may read that some older flashes use high voltages to complete the circuit and that these can damage your shutter. I wouldn't worry too much about that for Mamiya C-3 lenses, but you can if you wish buy a device to put between the flash and the shutter to reduce the voltage delivered to the shutter. The use of flash can get pretty complicated. You may want to bounce the flash off walls or back onto some large reflector to create the quality of light you want. In that case, you will have to experiment with guide numbers to see what works for you. You may be able to find some published guidelines, but they will only be a starting point. If you use multiple flashes, figuring out just what to do also gets more complicated. There have been entire books written about flash photography, and you can try reading one. Or, you could get a flash meter which will measure the amount of light the flash system delivers to the subject for you, so you use it the same way you would use an exposure meter to determine the correct f-stop. One problem with flash photography is that you can't evaluate the effect of the lighting beforehand. Even with a single flash more or less on camera you have problems. First of all the lighting tends to be very flat because it comes from the direction of the camera. In addition, because of the slight difference between the lens position and that of the flash, there are often harsh shadows on one side of the subject. These can be softened by bouncing flash off walls or ceilings. Good luck. You may decide that it is easier just to work with available light. If you have more questions, since I have a C-3 and once upon a time used it fairly extensively with flash, please feel free to e-mail me directly. > P.S. Some recomendations on which flash unit to buy (inexpensive is the key > word here) would also be appreciated. > -- Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu


Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: How to use Flash on a Mamiya C3 Mind's Eye Photography wrote: > Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu wrote > {Snip} > >>For leaf shutters, like those in the Mamiya lenses, the shutter is > > usually >set at 1/60th. That is long enough to be sure the entire > flash occurs with >the shutter open but not long enough for ambient > light to make a difference >in the image. > > {snip} > I know I'm new here and perhaps the C33 has a different shutter, but > aren't most leaf shutters able to sync all the way to their fastest > speed? I know the book from my RB says that the leaf shutter will > flash sync all the way up to 1/400 of a second (the fastest shutter > speed on the C 90mm 3.8). Isn't it usually focal plane shutters that > sync at a particular speed and below (like 1/60 or 1/125 as on my Elan > 7e)? As always, I am ready to eat my words if I am wrong, so I stand > humbly ready to be corrected. > > Scott Wuerch > Mind's Eye Photgraphy I just checked my Mamiya C-3 instruction booklet, and you are perfectly right. It says you can sync with electronic flash at all shutter speeds. Similarly for my Rolleiflex twin lens reflex. I haven't used flash for a while, except with point and shoot cameras, so I think I just forgot. When using straight flash it seldom makes any difference what the shutter speed is since it is dark enough that the ambient light won't record an image. But when using fill flash or in more complicated situations, one certainly wants to take advantage of being able to shoot at faster speeds. The 1/60 rule really applied to focal plane shutters, as you say. Such shutters work by moving a slit across the negative and the size of the slit determines the exposure time. For flash, though, the entire shutter must be open at once. Older focal plane shutters did that only at 1/60 or slower, but modern focal plane shutters usually can sync at 1/125 and I believe a few may do so at even faster speeds. Thanks for the correction. -- Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu


From: John Garand Garand_over_50@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Brightest hammerheads? Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 "roland.rashleigh-berry" roland.rashleigh-berry@ntlworld.com WROTE: >What power do hammerhead flashes go up to? I'm wondering if there is one >bright enough for use for fill flash for large group shots (30+ people) >where you have full bright sunshine on the left of your subjects. SunPak 611: GN 160 I think the 622 is a bit more, but don't remember for sure (and can't afford one and get other "toys"). Honeywell Strobonar 700/770/800/880 GN 160 Not Thyristor, but a lot of power at reasonable prices when you find one. Not all of the 700 and 800 series flashes are GN 160, so I've only listed those I know are. Some of the later models are thyristor units, but I don't know the GN on those models either. The 800 series models listed do not have internal battery capability and must be used with either an AC adapter or a battery pack.


From: "Q.G. de Bakker" qnu@worldonline.nl Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Brightest hammerheads? Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 Jonathan Hill wrote: > I think you are right, the most pwerfull at the 70's(MZ) > and metz, Like sunpak Always use the first numbers to designate the Guide > number, CL45 is 45G/N, Sunpak 4500 is also the same. > > Nice of them to make it easy for us. Fooled! ;-) Not anymore, they don't. Metz started playing tricks, and evidently with some success. They always stated GN for ISO 100 and using a 50 mm lens. With the MZ series they changed that to the longest 'focal length setting' their zoom reflector allowed. The Metz 60 CT series are still the most powerfull hammerheads Metz produces. Despite the higher '70' in the MZ type description. Put a similar 'teleconverter' in front of a 60 CT and the metric GN goes upto a stunning 120. > "Q.G. de Bakker" qnu@worldonline.nl wrote > > John Garand wrote: > > > > > >Presumably those GNs are feet, and 160ft works out to be about 48m. > > > > > > Yes, that is f16 @ 10 feet w/ ASA/ISO 100 film. Here in the US we > > > still use the English linear measurement system. :-) > > > > > > (Just couldn't resist) > > > > The point however was that these GN160 units are not the brightest > > hammerheads. Metric 48 is a bit less than the metric 60 or 70 units > > mentioned before... ;-)


From: sog@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Gombosi) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Brightest hammerheads? Date: 8 Nov 2002 John Garand Garand_over_50@yahoo.com wrote: > "roland.rashleigh-berry" roland.rashleigh-berry@ntlworld.com WROTE: > >>What power do hammerhead flashes go up to? I'm wondering if there is one >>bright enough for use for fill flash for large group shots (30+ people) >>where you have full bright sunshine on the left of your subjects. >> > >SunPak 611: GN 160 The Metz 60 series is about the same. If you're not committed to the hammerhead design, the Quantum X series will give you more power, as will Norman or Lumedyne. >I think the 622 is a bit more, but don't remember for sure (and can't >afford one and get other "toys"). > >Honeywell Strobonar 700/770/800/880 GN 160 >Not Thyristor, but a lot of power at reasonable prices when you find >one. Not all of the 700 and 800 series flashes are GN 160, so I've >only listed those I know are. Some of the later models are thyristor >units, but I don't know the GN on those models either. They're the same. IIRC, the 770 and 880 flashes are the thyristor models. >The 800 series >models listed do not have internal battery capability and must be used >with either an AC adapter or a battery pack. I think that's true for *all* the 800 series flashes. If I'm remembering correctly, that's really the only difference between the 7xx and 8xx units. The 8xx flashes use a 512V external battery (still manufactured by Eveready, but very hard to find). The 700 and 800 were the very first automatic flashes, IIRC. As long as we're waxing nostalgic: There's always the ancestor of the Honeywell 8xx, the Honeywell Strobonar 65D. No automation, but very light and incredibly powerful. They'll recycle in less than 2 sec. with a fresh battery (or about 15 sec with the AC adapter). I've seen them for $10-$15 at camera shows - with the pack. Mine is still working quite happily 34 years after I bought it...and it had been heavily used even then. I've considered picking up an 800-series just because the Honeywells are so damned reliable. I just need to adapt it to my Quantum turbo pack - those Eveready 510V batteries are *really* pricey. ;-) The most powerful portable flash that I can recall using was a Braun F800. It had an ISO 25 guide number of 160, which works out to an ISO 100 guide number of 320 - 4 times the power of the Honeywells or the Sunpack 611. They'd recycle in under 2 sec with a fully charged (and surprisingly light) lead-acid battery pack and had 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, and (I think) 1/16 power selections. You could run two heads off a single pack, too. I shot a lot of football games with a rented F800 back in my student days. I think they came out with an automatic version of the F800, but I don't know if Braun is in the flash business anymore. Anybody know if you can still buy Braun flashes in Europe (they definitely don't have a US distributor)? Steve


From: jfopie@freenet.de (John F. Opie) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Brightest hammerheads? Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 sog@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Gombosi) wrote: {snip} >The most powerful portable flash that I can recall using was a Braun >F800. It had an ISO 25 guide number of 160, which works out to an ISO >100 guide number of 320 - 4 times the power of the Honeywells or the >Sunpack 611. They'd recycle in under 2 sec with a fully charged (and >surprisingly light) lead-acid battery pack and had 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, and >(I think) 1/16 power selections. You could run two heads off a single >pack, too. I shot a lot of football games with a rented F800 back in >my student days. ... Hi - Anyone remember the Vivitar 365? I've got one in storage somewhere. I remember using it with a 400 mm lens on an OM-2 to take pictures at Jazz festivals using Adox KB-14 (wow, that *really* dates me now, doesn't it?) exposing at 1/60th at f22 from around 75-100 feet. Took eight (8!) D-cells in a waist-pack and went through them at the rate of about 3 rolls per set of batteries, 2 rolls if Ni-Cad. Nice to have in winter, though, since the heat generated by the batteries being sucked dry kept your kidneys nice and warm... John


From: larsen6x55@aol.com (Larsen6x55) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 11 Nov 2002 Subject: Re: How to use Flash on a Mamiya C3 I agree wholeheartedly with the dissertation on flash photography procedures the Leanord wrote here. The only thing I might add is to consider buying the Vivitar 285 HV flash instead of the 283. Why? Because of its zoom head which makes it more versatile "as is" where with the 283 you would have to get seperate accessories for wide or telephoto shots. And no matter which of the two models you choose, I highly recommend the purchase and use of the Wein flash sync adaptor that slip onto and screws to the base of these Vivitar flashes. It is a metal base (with a 1/4" thread) that screws to the body, not just the feet of the flashes. The only minor lose it it does not have a not shoe so you must use a sync cord, but the C3 does not have a hot shoe anyway. The biggest complaint about the Vivitars is that their plastic mounting feet break. If not the Wein, then there are other similar models available, but I prefer this one because I can use one of mine off camera and one on camera, and both fire when the other does.


From: John Garand Garand_over_50@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Brightest hammerheads? Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 "Q.G. de Bakker" qnu@worldonline.nl WROTE: >John Garand wrote: > >> >Presumably those GNs are feet, and 160ft works out to be about 48m. >> >> Yes, that is f16 @ 10 feet w/ ASA/ISO 100 film. Here in the US we >> still use the English linear measurement system. :-) >> >> (Just couldn't resist) > >The point however was that these GN160 units are not the brightest >hammerheads. Metric 48 is a bit less than the metric 60 or 70 units >mentioned before... ;-) My point, quoted above, was supposed to be a bit of humor centered on the fact that the English no longer use what is sometimes known in the US as the "English" linear measurement system (when it is referred to by a name at all, since metric is "the other" system). Oh well... I never intended to imply that these GN 160 units were brighter, though at a metric GN of 48, they certainly aren't far behind the Metz 70 MZ's GN of 50. I intended solely to add some units to the consideration, particularly for readers here in the US. I have routinely found the Honeywell units at not more than $20 USD, and have bought 4 SunPak 611s with the most expensive costing me $45 USD (with battery pack, remote sensor, and 35mm bracket) and the remainder costing $35 USD or less (both Honeywells and 611s obviously used as these flashes are no longer manufactured). Given the prices here in the US for used Metz 60 series flashes, I will speculate that it isn't easy to better the light output to cost ratio of these units. Your experience may vary. Obviously there are flashes available on the European market which aren't/weren't even imported to the US, and probably vice versa.


From: Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: lighting Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 legal secretary says... > I am looking to do some portrait photography. I have purchased > a white back drop. I would like to be able to go Lowe's or Home > Depot and purchase the lighting i will need to get started. > Does anyone have a suggestion on what i might need. http://www.photoquack.de/tutorials/diylights.htm should get you started on equipment, http://www.photoquack.de/tutorials/baselight.htm will give you a rough idea of the lighting. -- Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de Fast, reliable, cheap. Pick any two of the three.


From: "Jake" jbphoto@bit-net.com Newsgroups: alt.photography Subject: Re: Potato Masher Flash Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 http://nwcollectorcamera.com/elcflash/vivitar_365.htm http://www.cambridgeworld.com/sunpak_auto_544.htm Etc... They are a side-mounted flash unit. In my experience, I have found that they cast a shadow to the side of your subject... not that nice. Flashes that can sit above you lens are better... jake


From: "Sherman" sherman-remove_this@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Portraiture with a medium format ! Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 ... Daniel, Take a look at Britek light stands for holding your reflector. They have a "mini stand" that extends to 7 1/2 feet (around 2 1/2 meters) that costs only about $17 US. They weigh less than a kilo and collapse to less than a meter for transport. They also have clamps and arms that can hold your reflector on the stand. (Windy days will still be a problem however.) Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: bhilton665@aol.comedy (Bill Hilton) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 27 Nov 2002 Subject: Re: Tripod suggestion? >From: Craig Schroeder craigclu69n@netscape.net >I'm a bit naive on the light/middleweight tripods out there. I want >something that will pack and travel easy (hiking use, too) and >properly support a medium format rangefinder. One of the Gitzo CF's would work fine, but they are expensive. We have three of them, 1228 and 1348 for the wife, 1325/29 for me. The 1228 and 1348 have 4 leg sections and so pack shorter (will actually fit in a standard suitcase or a big overhead carry-on). The 1325 and 1348 extend high enough so that somone over 6 ft can use them without bending over (you have to extend the center post on the 1228 to do this). I think the 1325 is the heaviest at around 4.5 lbs. We actually use the 1325 and 1348 with lenses as long as 1,000 mm (Canon 500 mm f/4 IS with 2x t/c). Wouldn't use anything longer or heavier than a 300 f/4 on the 1228 though. Put a good ballhead on them (like the A-S B1 or the Kirk) and you're in business, especially for something as light as a rangefinder. >I tried, via mail order, a Velbon Maxi ... I found it too light duty I've tried various Bogens and reached the same conclusion :)


From: remove.david@meiland.com (David Meiland) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Modeling Lamps Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 "Scott Chapin" rschapin@attbi.com wrote: >>I am having great difficulty selecting a monolight setup. My concern is that >>so many seem to have either meager modeling lamps, or the falsh units are >>strong enough to peel paint and are pricey. >> >>Elinchrom and Visatec only have a three stop adjustable range, and not being >>experienced, I have fears that I could not "quiet them down enough". The >>lower wattage units virtually have no modeling lamps, usually being around >>40 watts. That's barely strong enough to see clearly enough to change film! >> >>In your opinions, what is a minimum acceptable wattage for modeling lamps, >>at least enough to see lighting ratios and shadows? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Scott Chapin 40 watt modeling lamps would be totally inadequate for anything, and a 3-stop range would be hard to work with too. I have and love the older White Lightning Ultra units. They use 250 watt BBA1 tungsten photofloods as modeling lamps, and have been just fine for everything I've ever done with them. They produce exactly the output I need for typical 35mm and MF shooting, with occasional multiple pops needed for LF shots at f32, etc. The only downside they have is that once you put a unit high up on a stand, you have to climb up there to adjust it unless you get the remote control unit. Power pack units do not have this drawback, but I have not seen pack systems that are anywhere near as flexible at a decent price. --- David Meiland Oakland, California http://davidmeiland.com/


From: "John Emmons" johncyn@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: studio: what's the difference... Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 Obvously you could do something like what you describe. But you'll be giving up a lot.Flash power, recycle time, modeling lights, accessories like soft boxes, umbrellas, barn doors, grids, etc. Why not take the cash you'd spend on those portable flashes and try to find one decent used monoflash? Something like a White Lighting. They're going to give you far more power, ease of use and you'll be able to use all of those accessories I listed above with one. As you can afford it, add another one. Or use your small portable strobes for things like backlighting or hairlights. If you do try the portable route, I'd try to get hold of a couple of Vivitar 283's with the AC power adapters. They'll last longer than any of those small AC light bulb type of portable strobe and you can use them on camera if the need should arise as well. Manfrotto makes an umbrella mount that fits on top of a light stand that you can adapt to the Vivitar, that'll at least give you the ability to soften the light with an umbrella. You could also rig up some sort of softbox mounting ring if need be. Course you'll be giving up quite a bit of power too. John Emmons ...


Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 From: Gordon Moat moat@attglobal.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: studio: what's the difference... Look into the low cost gear from Britek. These are plastic, but surprisingly durable. They have a few choices under $70 with sync cord. Add some small barn doors for light control. Try: http://www.mardelonline.com/products/studiolighting/Britek/Britek.html and http://www.britek-light.com.tw/homepage(stud_main)/eindex.htm I have a couple of the AS-36 units. They are great to take on location, since you don't have to worry too much about damaging them. My tests show the measured guide number to be 100. Anyway, these should work okay until you can afford better lighting. Save up for a good flash meter too, since that will help quite a bit. Ciao! Gordon Moat Alliance Graphique Studio http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html


From: "Sherman" sherman@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: studio: what's the difference... Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 ... I also have some Britek flashes (a couple of AS66 models, one has a PC connection and an AS150). I have used them for portraits of one or two people, bounced from umbrellas. Using ISO 100 film I usually get around f8 to f11 with the flashes about 5 or 6 feet from the subject. Britek usually has an ad in Shutterbug and they sometimes have a package deal with 2 AS66 units, a 3 meter PC cord, 2 light stands, 2 small 18 inch umbrellas, a case for the flashes and a case for the light stands and umbrella all for about $120 US. A very cheap way to get enough lights for one or two person portraits or table top lighting. Plus later when/if you get the cash you can still use the Briteks for back or hair lights and those little stands are very handy. Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: rcochran@lanset.com (Richard Cochran) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: studio: what's the difference... Date: 4 Dec 2002 ... It can work. Professional studio lighting will be much more powerful, will recycle faster, and will have modelling lights to help you judge the effects of the lighting and placement of shadows. You can mix and match small battery flashes with studio lighting, too. For example, a little Morris AC slave works nicely as a background light for a white background. I often use a monolight for main light with a little Sunpak for fill (sometimes with the fill located on-camera). See http://www.lanset.com/rcochran/flash for some basics of how to do low budget off-camera flash using umbrellas. --Rich


From: Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: alien bees Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 Lisa Horton says... > > One drawback is the flimsy pilot light with only 150 Watt > > (100 Watt shipped) max power rating, and that all units > > have the same pilot light, no matter what power rating > > their flash unit is. > > > > This leads to the recommendation to buy all units in the same > > power rating and not mix, or replace the pilot light on the > > smaller units with smaller lamps as well. > > This sounds like a real drawback, especially for someone learning > lighting. It's invaluable (IMHO) to have the modeling light reflect > the output of the strobe. IOW, if you have two strobes, one twice as > powerful as the other, the modeling light on the more powerful unit > should be twice the wattage of the one in the lesser strobe. I think if you buy a 1600 and a 800 model and have the 800 equipped with the shipped 100 W bulb but replace the 1600 bulb with an Osram Halostar 150 or Philips 150 you are pretty much in the ball park. It's just that the pilot light is very weak. You might make do in the studio, but onlocation when filling up daylight, you don't see much of the pilot light. Better units use 300 or 650 W halogen pilot lights. But that is much likely not the target clientele of Alienbees. They head for assigments with low fuse circuits and private households, I guess. -- Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: alien bees Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 ... Having the modeling light track the flash output is a pretty standard feature. But if the wattage of the modeling lights doesn't "match" the max flash output, it doesn't really matter if the modeling lights track, since the lighting ratios of the modeling lights are already out of sync with the flash output. If one light has twice flash output of another light, the more powerful light must have a modeling light twice the wattage of the lesser light, or you're back to guessing. > > They look rather nice, I wonder how they hold up with ordinary use. Considering the very high quality and extreme durability of the regular White Lightning lights, I'd speculate that the Alien Bees are likely to be rugged and durable as well. Lisa


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: alien bees Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 Ron Todd wrote: > > > Is there anything out there, well built (able to stand use with > reasonably careful handling), that would be more in the price line for > an amateur who might use it say, no more than dozen times a year? Price > IS a factor. > Well, there are traditionally several potential issues with the cheaper brands. One is power, or lack of it. The cheap units generally aren't as powerful as "professional" units. In a small home studio space, this isn't necessarily a problem. In fact, in the aforementioned small home studio, it can sometimes be a problem with big lights getting the power down low enough to let you use a wider aperture. Next problem is consistency. Better lights are more consistent pop to pop. Cheap lights are less so. But using print film largely negates the problem, as the variations are within the exposure latitude of print film. For chromes or digital, this could be a problem. Then there's the modeling lights tracking the flash output. In good lights, if you double the flash power the light from the modeling light doubles. In cheap lights, there may not be such a correspondence. For example, with my old Britek/Studiomate lights, when the flash is set to half power, the light output of the modeling light is 1/4 of full. Also good lights use voltage regulation so that the output of the modeling light isn't affected by minor power supply fluctuation (mains power). Inexpensive lights also tend to have more a more limited power range, often just 2 or 3 power settings. Good lights offer continuously variable output over a 5 stop or so range. And finally, many cheaper lights can't accept high power modeling lights. Low power modeling lights are usable when the ambient light is low, but normal ambient light levels play havoc with trying to visually assess your lighting setup. I'm not even addressing durability or ruggedness, since those aren't likely to be major factors when the lights are used just a few times a year. But most assuredly expensive lights are more durable and rugged. Now that you know the potential pitfalls and disadvantages, you can decide what things are important to you and which ones not. I started with the cheap Britek/Studiomate lights, and did a lot of good portraits (and some really execrable ones) with them. They're not a bad way to start learning about lighting, you can use reflectors, umbrellas and softboxes with them, the same types of tools used with the better lights. You can hang black bedsheets on the room walls to get more control over the light and reduce the ambient level, and you can turn down the ambient lighting to see the modeling lights. One method I've used to gain finer control over the light output was to make sheets of white ripstop, which I could hang over the front of the softboxes. 1/2 stop to 1 stop per layer. This does modify the quality of the light somewhat as well, but it's cheap to do. The Alien Bees do seem to be generating a lot of buzz, and they're from a VERY reputable manufacturer. As long as you make sure that the modeling lights reflect the power of the flash (as we've discussed), they should be quite functional and more than enough for the occasional user. With the caveat that you'll likely need to control the ambient lighting level, they should be an excellent learning tool. IIRC, they can use the White Lighting wired remote, which is inexpensive and HUGELY useful. Being able to instantly adjust lighting levels and ratios seems a valuable feature for the student of lighting. Cheaper than that, Photogenic's economy Photographers Warehouse line looks good, although I've not tried them. Lisa


From: Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: How hot are "hot lights"? Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 Patrick L. says... > I still haven't decided whether to go the hot light route, or strobes, > but if I go with hot lights, the guy at the camera shop told me that > they are real hot, and my subjects are going to sweat, so bring lots > of fans, etc. It seemed like he was trying to talk me out of using > them. For professional use I fully agree. Amateurs with a limited budget and only occasional use might be content with hot lights. Look here http://www.photoquack.de/tutorials/diylights.htm for starters. > But in John Hart's book, "Professional Headshots", he uses hot lights > exclusively, with fabulous results. Using these lights would really, > it would seem, simplify things, and I could see what I'm shooting. Professional studio flash equipment has pilot lights for that. > Do you think the heat would really be that big of a problem? Definitely, and the light output is not even near what the heat and the subject blinding promises. > Is there a way to rig a rheostat unit to a tungsten light, so that I > have variable power (or are there any reasonably priced hot lights > with variable power built in)? If you don't do color - yes, with limitations. The more you dim, the more reddish the color goes. This is almost like using orange or red filters, skin tone rendition will change visibly. > Anyone ever heard of, or use the "Kaiser Provision Softlites" ? > (http://www.gassers.com/Talkischeap/Lighting.html) Though > they are expensive, they sound like they solve the problem of > heat (if, indeed, it is that big of a problem worth solving to > the tune of $1700 for these lights). That is approximately what the better Photo-Flo do. http://www.kinoflo.com/ But I'd rather suggest professional studio flash equipment. With alimited budget Alienbees might be right for you. With better budgets, White Lightning, Hensel or Bowens might be better for your needs. -- Michael Quack michael@photoquack.de


From: frederickl@aol.com (FrederickL) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 24 Dec 2002 Subject: Re: Electronic Flash corpse effect - how to beat PINE 3.89 MESSAGE TEXT Folder: INBOX Message 570 of 829 50% >Macochrome - either re-branded Ferrania or Agfachrome >I was shooting flash with daylight coming in the >windows Electronic flash and sunlight should work well together with daylight balanced film ... but you will have to be careful with exposure. If you are use the daylight as the 'main' light, you might want the flash fill to be 1 stop less exposure so that you have a 1:2 ratio....or even 2 stops for 1:4. A 1:1 match often is just too much. That is, if the sunlight exposure is 1/125 @ F8, use the flash setting that would be for F5.6 for 1:2 or even F4 for 1:4. This approach will work for portrait type sessions when you have time to think through your work. Not as handy for candid pictures at a party. (If this still doesn't make sense to you, pick up a book that talks about fill flash; the flash unit manual may provide some insight as well.) >I have a Bachrach flash bracket from Porters that places the flash directly above >the lens. I'm probably less than 18" but no red-eye so far. OK...But it is close to 'on camera flash' which, as noted previously isn't very flattering. But it will give you reasonable record or candid shots. Again, if the exposure is right. If you have a long coiled pc synch cord you can take the flash off the bracket and hold it up off the camera at arm's reach to give you even greater distance when you're taking pictures (there isn't anything magic to the bracket - although it is a handy place to keep the flash when you're walking around) If the flash is 18" or more above the camera, then the shadows are placed behind and BELOW the people in your pictures which is better that directly behind them. > (color temperature discussion)This I don't get - all of my cooling filters > are a shade of blue - isn't this what you are recommending? No, the electronic flash color temperature is essentially the same as noon daylight. If the exposure is correct, you should be seeing good flesh tones. (I kind of suspect you are over exposing the film a bit ... you might try an intentional underexposure from what you are doing, by say 1/2 stop and see if your flesh tones don't improve.) A cooling filter would make the problem you are having WORSE. If you want the transparencies to be warmer, use a color correction filter that will warm the image just a little bit. This is a very slight correction filter, not at all as if you are trying to use daylight film with tungston light. I seem to recall using a light coral colored filter to warm portraits. (These are some of the reasons that wedding pros tend to use negative films rather than slides...a slightly overexposed negative - even by a stop or so - can be printed down to give a good image, there isn't a lot that can be done for an overexposed slide.) Good Luck


From: "Paul Brecht" noway@idontthinkso.net Newsgroups: alt.photography Subject: Re: photos of rings/jewelry Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 Look here: http://www.webphotoschool.com/bhphotovideo/Lessons/vault2[wps]/index.html Paul


From: Alan Browne alan.browne@videotron.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: alien bees -DEF Rec'd From Alien Bees' Paul Buff Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 Here is Paul Buff's answer to my question... Cheers, Alan Alan, Quickly, if the flash duration is specified properly, the t.5 method should measure 50% of the light energy. Here's how I do it: 1. I measure and note the exposure at a slow exposure time setting (say 1/30th), using an accurate flashmeter such as Gossen UltraPro. 2. I make more tests from the same location and power level, each time reducing the exposure time setting. 3. When I reach the time setting that yields 1 f-stop less exposure than in step one, the I know this is the exposure time over which the first half of the total exposure occurs. This is the proper t.5 flash duration. If you have a decent flashmeter you can do this yourself easily. Effective WS ratings are another matter. Measuring the actual light output of any flash unit accurately is nearly impossible outside of a science lab. This is because a direct reading with a flashmeter tells you far more about the beam concentration (reflector angle, diffusion value, diffusion loss, etc) than about the actual power (Lumenseconds). The only way I have found to be reliable is to do comparison tests against a known standard. Since there are no standards in the flash industry, I use a household 100w bulb at a calibrated voltage as a Lumen standard. If it is a 1700 Lumen bulb and you measure it over a 1 second period in a given diffusion setup you can create a base for comparison. By then substituting the flash unit in exactly the same diffusion setup and doing the math, you can determine a flash unit's true output, in Lumenseconds. Yes, this is complex and, yes, we are the only flash company that bothers with this. As far as effective wattseconds, unfortunately the term has evolved into "whatever the mfg wants it to mean". That is why we no longer use it to define our power levels and why we publish Lumenseconds and true wattseconds as the "real number". The reason for effective WS in the first place is mostly because "box and cable systems" tend to be less and less efficient as you connect more and more flasheads. This is particularly true with the small 400ws and 800ws power packs. Typically, with three or four flashheads connected to a small power pack the total light output is about 1/2 what is is with one head and a short cable . . or from a good monolight of the same ws rating. Therefore, it it can be said the monolight has an "effective WS" rating of twice its actual ws rating because it will typically yield twice as much light as a box and cable system of the same actual ws rating. For the sake of numbers, some manufacturers started calling 2 1/2 times the real ws the "Effective WS". Therefore, as you can see, it is strictly an arbitrary term that is probably only useful for making the case that a monolight is typically more efficient than a central power box system. The only truly correct term I know of is lumenseconds, but this is exceedingly difficult to measure. That leave "real ws" as the most usable term in the real world, with the caveat that the user should understand what happens to those ws when they are converted to Lumenseconds and bounced around the room. Regards, Paul Alan Browne wrote: > Certainly look like good value. > > Can somebody enlighten me as to how the "effective watt-seconds" is > achieved? Are they taking credit for the reflector ... or what? > > Cheers, > Alan


From minolta mailing list: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 From: BillB800si@aol.com Subject: Re: Monopods/chestpods...or something else perhaps?? lensman32@attbi.com writes: > I also carry a Giottos Q-pod when doing museums or around in a city, While inside buildings I have found the Slik Slim-Pod a great photo saver. It folds down and has it's own tilt head on it. Weighs just .65 lbs. And another nice feature is it's still under $20. I usually just loop it on my belt when entering a building and no one seems to mind when I use it. Do remember not to use Flash in museums though. http://www.thkphoto.com/ look under "Monopods". Good luck, Bill B. (USA)


From minolta mailing list: Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 From: "lensman3" lensman32@attbi.com Subject: Re: Monopods/chestpods...or something else perhaps?? Thanks for the thought. I have one. What I usually do is pack a Slik 960 GQL and the pocket-sized Giottos. If we are travelling in scenic country, the 960 gets used. If we are in an urban area, I carry the little guy. My wife also uses a Giottos with her Explorer and occasionally with her 600si. There are several models of the Giottos. DON'T get the one with the ball head unless you are using small rangefinder camera. Get the one with the locking lever. There are also two different leg styles. Either one works well I am careful to follow rules in all museums, and we have been in the Louvre, Rodin, and others in Paris, Hungarian National Museum, Uffizzi, Palazzo Vecchio, Capitoline in Rome and the ruins in Pompeii and a bunch in the US. Not arrested yet. Thanks for the reminder. I am concerned that the monopod might be considered a weapon but I will try it again.


From Nikon MF Mailing List: From: "Jose Luis Gallardo" jlgallardo@audioyfoto.com Subject: RE: [Nikon] Re: OT: Ballheads (Acratech and advice please!) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 I'm an Acratech user... I love the weight, look and the knobs efficiency... Combo with Gitzo 1128 is incredible light.. But... 1. The manual said not to move the friction knob. The problem here is that the ballhead doesn't have elliptical ball and then, friction doesn't increase as you move the ball. Does anybody using acratech use to move the friction knob regularly? Why the manual advice not to do it? 2. There is no "tab" to move rapidly to a 90 degree when you want vertical shots. It moves like 100 or 110 degrees so you need to center the shot and press the main knob. Question for the guys using Arca, BH-3 or Markins M10: Do you have an exactly 90 degrees movement to shot vertical? I'm planning to use one of this heads for studio work with 80-200 AFS and D100/D1x as my heaviest weight. What do you recommend? I like the lightest possible but with friction control and 90 degrees movement to have control over smooth camera movements. For outdoor, action, freedom of extravagant movements carrying light weight, Acratech is the answer... Regards Jw


From: "Sherman" sherman-remove_this@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Lighting Jewelry Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 "Nuttshaw" Nuttshaw@cox.net wrote... > Hi > I'm shooting a ring set....white gold & diamonds....does anyone have any > good suggestions for lighting diamonds? > > Thanks anyone! > Sarah Sarah, If you want to spend the money you can get a shooting tent from Calumet (and other suppliers). Basically it is a white plastic tent or dome with a hole or holes for the lens. You set up a flash or hot light outside the dome pointing in. It provides even lighting for very reflective items. Depending on the size of the object you might find an old milk jug useful. Cut off the top part where the handle is and set it down over your object. Decide on the angle you want the camera at and cut a hole for the lens to "look" through. Set up your lights and you are in business. Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: Ralph Barker rbarker@pacbell.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Lighting Jewelry Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 You have a couple of things to contend with, Sarah - getting the surface of the metal to "read" correctly, and getting brilliance in the diamonds. As mentioned in one of the other responses, a large white surface is usually required so it is reflected in the surface of the metal. A large (compared to the object being photographed) softbox suspended above the object is often sufficient. Then, add supplemental lighting for drama and effect. For the diamond itself, try putting a snoot on one of the supplemental strobes. Shine it on the diamond, and move its position until you get the proper reflections and "fire" at the camera angle. Small mirror chips, just outside the composition, can also be used to direct small beams of light to the spots that need emphasis. Nuttshaw wrote: >Hi >I'm shooting a ring set....white gold & diamonds....does anyone have any >good suggestions for lighting diamonds? > >Thanks anyone! >Sarah


From: "news.halcyon.com" TheNandakumars@hotmail.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Lighting Jewelry Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 I recently photographed some blown glass artwork. I presume photographing diamonds and jewellery would be similar, given the reflective nature of these items. The best way to light them is through light tents or through large scrims. The idea being that you want to minimize specular highlights on the subjects. In either approaches, you would want to employ black gobos on the tent or scrim to further tone down specularity. If you dont already have a light tent, consider this: if you have a kid's tent or a camping tent, assemble only the skeletal support and drape a white nylon fabric on the skeletal support. Fabric materials are available are any major fabric stores (JoAnn etc). Place the photographic subjects inside the tent, light them from outside and photograph them through a small opening in the fabric material. Hope this helps. Nandakumar http://crookedtrunk.com/Photo/


From: fredfoto1@aol.comnospam (Fred Warren) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: 12 Jan 2003 Subject: Re: Lighting Jewelry I heard cutting the bottom out of a large styrofoam cup and hitting it with 2 flashes works well.


From bronica mailing list: Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 10:29:53 -0700 From: Barbara Lee Spinnenweber Subject: strobe unit HSW, The only experience I've had so far with studio lights is the novatron units (not monolights, used at school) and Alien Bee. I just bought the 1600 Alien Bee strobe and I'm impressed with it. I plan on getting the other two (1600 and 800) in a couple of months when the money comes in. http://www.alienbees.com/ The 1600: 26,000 Lumenseconds f22 to f32 typical output in softbox 1/1600 second flash duration fan cooled for professional usage 2 sec. recycle to full power, faster at reduced power 4 lbs total weight standard 100 watt modeling lamp (150 optional) stepless 5 f-stop power control for full to 1/32 power full remote control capabilitity. Compatiible with white lightning remotes accessory/softbox mounting compatible with Balcar and White Lightning Supplied 7" reflector mounts umbrellas and standard 6-5/8" honeycomb grids built-in slave tripper etc... The 1600 is $360 800 is $280 400 is $225 And I like the person that I had talked to on the phone. I'm new at it, but I've used my one 1600 strobe for two weddings. And it worked great. Power didn't seem to be a problem. I'd like to get the other 1600 soon so that I don't have to have the one unit in the center. (I bounce off of ceilings so far) Oh yeah, I also got the Pocket Wizard Reciever/transmitter too. Great for location work! I like going cordless (PC that is) Barbara


Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 From: gdkenney@bellatlantic.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Arca-Swiss B1 Just to follow up on the Acra-Tech vs. Arca-Swiss thread. I got my Arca-Swiss 3/8" thread plain model (I like to use the Hassy QR plate with level) today. Haven't used it yet, though it's now on the tripod. Nevertheless, after fiddling with it a bit I believe that in all respects it is a vastly superior product to the Acra-Tech. Which is not to say the AT is really bad, it isn't. AT is actually pretty good and nicely machined, but it has a number of problems and basically I found it a pain to use. On the other hand the AC is a marvel. Just an amazing, perfectly made instrument. If you -- like I was -- are in the process of deciding on one versus the other, do yourself a favor and spend the extra hundred and change for the Arca-Swiss. You'll not regret it. But don't bother to thank me... Cheers, G.


Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 Subject: Re: Getting stuck with reflections on curved surfaces From: Mads Pedersen mads@imv.au.dk Newsgroups: alt.photography Maybe others have a better idea, but the only way I can think of is to turn off all light in the room and use spots to light the cup. If you're completely in the dark you won't be reflected. HTH, // Mads .: http://www.madspedersen.com .: http://www.doubleloop.dk ... > I'm having trouble avoiding the reflections in my Club's trophies but > capturing the details of the engraving. > The wrong 'uns are here - > http://www.johnstone-wheelers.co.uk/trophy-error.htm. > > Can anyone help with how to go about it? > > The friendliest Cycling Club in Scotland! > www.johnstone-wheelers.co.uk


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramarren@bayarea.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Ball Head Rec? I've used both a FOBA Super Miniball Plus and a Manfrotto~3265 "Grip Action" ball heads with Hassy 903SWC and 500C/M. The FOBA is more precise but slower operating, the Manfrotto is great for field use and a lot cheaper. Both do the job well, although I have not experimented with telephoto lenses on them yet. I wish I could get a grip action style ball head that was as precise as the FOBA or Arca Swiss models, but that seems to be an elusive combination. Godfrey ...


Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 From: gdkenney@bellatlantic.net To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Ball Head Rec? Honestly, I like the Acratech people and the head looks spiffy and it moves OK, but it's not a great choice. I replaced my Leica large ball head with the Acratech, which I've had for about 9 months. At some point, soon (when it gets warmer out), I'll replace the Acratech with the Arca-Swiss B1. The big problem with the Acratech is that it shifts, by quite a lot, when you tighten it up. Never seems to be by the same distance, though, so you end up tightening, loosening, tightening, and so on in order to frame what you want to frame. It's a nuisance and a very disagreeable process. I really ought to move back to the Leica large ball head, which I've still got, as an interim measure, but the Acratech model feels a bit more secure with a long lens on my 501CM, which is why I got it. Acratech is not that much less expensive but, from what I've read of the Arca-Swiss, a much cheaper build. Just my two cents. G. A. Bellenger wrote: Acratech. Anne Bellenger Avon Park, Florida USA


From: Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Indoor architectural photography Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 Leonard Evens wrote: > I am interested in experimenting with photographing rooms in houses > showing both architectural details and furnishings. I've never had a > lot of luck with artifical lighting and I don't have much in the way > of lighting equipment anyway, so I thought I would start off with > daylight > window lighting and see what happens. If that doesn't work, I will > see what I can do about artifical lighting. When anyone mentions that they intend to do architectural interiors with "available" light, I'm reminded of the story of the architect who wanted his latest project photographed by available light to get "natural, the way it really looks" photos. Upon arriving at the location, the architect finds the photographer and two assistants waiting with a dozen, large cases full of lighting equipment. Surprised, the architect tells the photographer that he wants the project photographed by available light. To which the photographer replies, "I have all the lights available that we'll need." In the vast majority of cases, all interiors need to be lit. And if you're very good at it, it won't look lit. I know. I've been doing it for a living for over 20 years. (In addition to other types of commercial photography.) > According to Kodak, Portra NC160 requires no reciprocity failure > correction for up to 10 seconds exposure. I expect the color balance > to > be off, but I think I can correct digitally. I will start off however > with b/w using TRiX (TXT) because that is what I have. Contrast between the inside and outside, as when viewed through windows, is exceptionally high. If you can do an interior angle where there are no windows in the shot, you might be able to get a passable picture. If you do have windows in the shot, you're going to need to o major contrast control. With color this can be done only with contrast masks. With b&w; you might try a highly compensating developer or water bath development or both. Better to light the interior. The best way to start is to shoot at night (or twilight) using existing lights in the room and supplement them with your own. You don't need to spend a lot of money to do this. Regular Reflector Spot and Floods in 75 and 150 watts available at most home improvement/hardware stores will do, along with clamp type sockets, stands, Blackwrap aluminum, cardboard gobos, etc., and tungsten film. Total cost (not including the stands & film) should be under $100. I recommend Fuji NLP (or is it NPL?) for negative and 64T for chrome. Your exposures will run around 15 secs to 2 mins depending. Do Polaroid tests with the 64T Polaroid, but keep the exposure at 5 secs or less, regardless of what you final, taking f-stop will be, to avoid reciprocity failure. It doesn't matter if the Polaroids don't have any depth of field. They are just used to verify exposure, contrast, and composition. Use an 82B filter to balance the lighting to the tungsten film. > Any suggestions about how to proceed? I will be using a Toho view > camera, mostly I suspect with a 90 mm lens. A 90 is a good lens to start with. With anything much wider, it shows too much, and leaves little room to place lights and keep them out of the shot. I use just 4 lenses to shoot with: 75, 90, 125, 180; with the 90 and 125 doing about 75% of the work. After you learn to light at night, then you can tackle daylight balance with strobes. Hot lights aren't bright enough to do this, unless you go to 4000 watts or more and bring your own generators and electrician. Good Luck . . . -- Stefan Patric tootek2@yahoo.com


From: RDKirk rdkirk@mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: How do you Color Dye your own backdrops? Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 w6uv@hotmail.com says... > >So here goes - I have RIT dye and > >lots of Muslim, how do you get that blotchy like look without turning > >the whole thing blue, red or green? > > Muslims generally will put up quite a fight if you try to dye them. As for > muslin, however, most people paint it rather than dye it. Very good. LOL. But the trick of dying muslin is to use *very* hot water. Set the water heater temporarily at its highest setting or boil water. Even if paint will be used for the final effect, it's often efficient to dye the muslin a light-to-medium background color first. -- RDKirk


Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 From: Steve Baker sbaker04@midsouth.rr.com To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: RE: [HUG] OT: Which ball head for Gitzo tripod? http://www.reallyrightstuff.com has a good write-up on the "fix" for the lock-up problem, should one ever encounter it. Just d/l the catalog. Apparently, you firmly grip the knob and rotate it 1/8-inch clockwise, then the screw is free. As to the Kirk ball head, I've been reading up on it and it seems to look real good. However, for just $13 US additional, one can order the Arca-Swiss B1 w/QR from Robert White. Decisions, ecisions. -Steve


From: rbean@shell.core.com (Ron Bean) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: V.short folded length Tripod: does such a creature exist? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 lahippel@ieee.org writes: >Just to add another mindbender, have a look at Manfrotto (or Bogen) >Magic Arm with the Superclamp. It's not a tripod, but it can do weird >things... Just a note on that-- Bogen makes three versions: the Magic Arm has one lever that tightens all three joints, but the whole thing goes limp when you loosen it, so you'd better have a firm grip on the camera. The second one is called something like "variable tension arm" and is a Magic Arm with a tension control, like a high-end ballhead. It costs only slightly more than the Magic Arm. The third one is just called "articulating arm" and has separate knobs for each joint. Again, keep a firm grip on the camera before loosening any of them. It's much cheaper than the other two. I have the articulating arm, and I can tell you that it's not very rigid, due to the length of the arms-- the whole weight of the camera is on the end of a long arm, so any slight bend in the arm moves the camera a significant distance. You'll definitely want to use a remote shutter release, or the self-timer. It's main usefulness is to get the camera into positions where you can't get the Super Clamp close enough. But it's definitely a compromise. BTW it can also be mounted on a tripod (the ends are threaded). Depending on where you are, just the Super Clamp can be very handy. Also consider the Novoflex Basicball-- a tabletop tripod with a weight rating of 55(!) pounds.


From: "Howard Henry Schlunder" howard_hs@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Portable flash research Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 "Alan Browne" alan.browne@videotron.ca wrote > See below > > Howard Henry Schlunder wrote: > >> > >>>3. In camera slave mode, what is the longest recycle time you would > >>>tolerate between flashes? > >> > >>With fully charged NiMH: 6 seconds. > > > > Hmm, at 200W-s, that will be a lot of continuous power. Would you prefer > > the ability to snap two flashes with absolutely no delay between them, but > > have to wait 10 seconds each to recharge, or simply 6 seconds of delay all the time? > > You can always have compromises, but then you have to sell them! I may > be pushing a bit hard for 200 W-s, but for 100 W-s, it should be achievable. Actually it is possible to do 200W-s in 6 seconds from 4 NiMH batteries, but durring flash recharge it would put a drain of at least 33.3W on the set of batteries. I've found that a single cell of todays technology (1600, 1800, and 1850mAh) is capable of producing about 10W maximum. If I increased the load down to nearly a dead short circuit, I was able to get about 32A, however at that, the voltage dropped down low enough that again only 10W of power output was observed. I have found, though, that all conventional battery holder designs which use spring contacts are utterly incapable of currents that high, so cost would be rather high creating a custom battery holder. While still expensive, it would be more reasonable to increase the number of batteries instead. > >>>4. Typical disposable flash cameras have a single flash input energy of > >>>about 6.5 to 8.5 Joules. Relative to a disposable camera, how bright should > >>>the flash be (in camera slave mode)? > >> > >>Not enough: go for aprox 100 to 200 W-s or more or a GN of around 50 > >>meters at 100mm, ISO 100. > > > > > > GN? I'm not familier with that. > > The "standard" measure of SLR camera flashes. Studio strobes are rated > in W-s, but camera flash heads are rated in GN. Do you have any idea why they use Watt Seconds instead of Joules? I mean, they are exactly the same thing, but doesn't "Joule" just sound cooler and simpler to you? It does to me. > GN is a rating that allows the photogrpaher to determine if the flash is > strong enough for a given shot. GN = a * d. (aperture * distance) @ > ISO 100 and typically 100 mm (sometimes 85 or 50 depends on the > marketing slime balls at the manufacturer, the longer the FL, the > slimier the marketing). > > If I have a GN 50 (meters) flash and I'm shooting ISO 100 film at an > aperture of f/5.6 then the distance I can expect proper illumination is > 50/5.6 = ~9 (meters). (Note that in the US GN's are usually given in > feet). The photog must account for faster film (each doubling gives 1.4 > times the range). > > Note that we're talking TTL flash: the flash is expected to turn-off as > soon as the TTL flash circuit of the camera has reached proper exposure. > Add that to your list too. Hmm, that's a good idea I hadn't thought about. All I have is a POS, err, I mean, PAS digital camera, so details like light measurement and shutdown don't reveal themselves as important. Anyway, thanks for you help and description of guide numbers (as well as the others who helped shed light on that subject for me). Howard Henry Schlunder


From: breathless aaa@aaa.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: Re: Unsatisfactory shots of curved trophies showing reflections. Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 You will probably find sucess using a "light tent" or something similar. Take a look here: http://www.bogenphoto.com/product/itemlist.php3?manufid=7ionid=259 You could try this also: The idea is to place a large card board or curtain in between the trophy and the camera lens. * Trophy * * * * * * * <--board/curtain * * * * * camera You'll need a small opening in the material for the lens to see through. The material is evenly reflected on the trophy surface and the engraving will be revealed. Give it a try! :-) -breathless iainQlang@electricwords.co.uk wrote: >I've posted this to other NGs to seek heklp across the widest range. > >I'm having trouble avoiding the reflections in my Club's trophies but >capturing the details of the engraving. >The wrong 'uns are here - >http://www.johnstone-wheelers.co.uk/trophy-error.htm > >Can anyone help with how to go about it?


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Watt seconds question Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 Although it doesn't directly pertain to the Alien Bee units, this information from Paul C Buff may be of interest/assistance: http://www.white-lightning.com/power.html I would suggest contacting Alien Bee (which may or may not actually be Paul C. Buff company) and asking them. To power my White Lightning units, I got a 2500 watt Honda generator, with a generous (IIRC almost double) surge capacity. One important aspect of generators is noise. They tend to be VERY loud. You can get really quiet generators, but they cost significantly more. Quiet could be well worth the extra money if you're going to use the generator primarily for photo shoots. My generator is really noisy. In a (perhaps) interesting side note, living in California, as I do, means dealing with almost third world levels of power reliability. The generator paid for itself in short order, as it costs me at least $200 to replace the contents of the refrigerator each time the power goes out for more than a few hours. But the generator is so noisy, I have to put it in the far corner of the yard and close all the windows to even hear anything. Lisa Patrick Lockwood wrote: > > I am going to be shooting outdoors using my Alien Bees strobes. I have two > that are 800 watt seconds a piece. > > There is a battery I can buy that is good for 200 flashes before it needs to > recharge. But I don't want any limitations. So I'm looking into getting a > small, quiet, four-stroke AC generator. > > So the question is this; does "watt seconds" mean the same thing as just > plain "watts"?. Generators are rated in watts, not watt seconds, so I am > wondering that if I need one generator for two 800 watt seconds flash units, > does that mean I will need at least a 1600 watt generator? > > Thanks for your feedback, > > Patrick Lockwood


From: Bob Salomon bob@hpmarketingcorp.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: V.short folded length Tripod: does such a creature exist? Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 Christoper M Perez at christopher.m.perez@tek.com wrote on 1/16/03 11:54 AM: > I've scoured the 'net looking at specs and such for very short folded length > tripods. I'm looking for something that meets the following criteria: > > - 12inch folded length (maybe 15 inches max) > - 4 to 5 feet extended length > - capable of holding 2 to 4 pounds > - light weight (~2pounds) > > I travel on business from time to time and would like to carry a tripod that > fits into one of my carry-on bags with all the other thing that I need to > take with me. > > All the CF tripods I'm aware of are too long folded. All of the metal > tripods I've come across are also too long. In fact, I carried a Slick > U8000 to South Asia a year ago and it was far too long (~19inches folded > length). Security guards were making sure that it wasn't a gun or > something. > > Comments? Suggestions? Feedback? > > - Chris Almost but not quite. Linhof ProfiPort 003449 tripod. Closed is 18" long (fits into a Samsonite Attache case. Open 59" high less head. Weighs 5 lbs. Supports 15 lbs. Has just been re-introduced after having been discontinued for several years.


From minolta mf mailing list: Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 From: "Frank Mueller" frank_mueller88@hotmail.com Subject: Re: DIY diffuser? Hi Adam, I went to my local Woolies in Canberra and bought a 1 litre plastic bottle of orange juice - milk is sold in the same bottles. Drink the orange juice or milk, and cut off the bottom 4-5cm of the bottle. This makes a first class diffuser, and leaves any Omnibounce for dead - well the results are pretty much identical, but you save US$40, and you get a free drink! To hold the diffuser on the flash I used a piece of styrofoam that I cut out of some packaging material. I used a 2cm thick plate that I cut to size using a box cutter knife. It needs to just fit into the bottom of the bottle . I also cut a hole into the styrofoam plate that just fits over my flash head - I am using a Sunpak 444D. You can smooth any rough or crumbly edges of the styrofoam using a hot knife. I glued the styrofoam into the milk bottle, and if I slide it over my flash head it sits very firmly. It still says '1 Litre' on my flash diffuser, and at the front is the little recycling signs, but nobody has commented on that yet when I used it, and you sure can't see it in the results ;-) HTH Frank


From minolta mf mailing list: Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 From: Bob Hrodey rth@hrodey.com Subject: Re: Re: DIY diffuser? I have seen, but not duplicated, a diffuser made from a toilet tank float. You need to find the white translucent kind (and they're getting scarce) and cut a slot to fit your flash head into it. Secure it with Velcro or whatever fits your design and needs. Looked to be a pretty nice unit and the globe will give you a nice even and diffused light. --------- Enjoy, Bob Hrodey


From: Alan Browne alan.browne@videotron.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: HOMEBREWING (and I am not talking about beer either!) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 I can't afford a big studio flash (I have two 200 W-s ones) or a 7' octogon, but I want that big difused light look. I put up two stands 8 'apart and draped a cheap white sheet across them (I'd like to find a lower quality sheet (more translucent) but can't find one), using two old chairs to brace the stands (clamps). A length of PVC pipe across the top to hold the sheet evenly. I put the two flashes on the other side about 3.5 feet above the floor and 43 feet apart pointing square at the sheets. Gives me (ISO 100, full power) f/11 at about 3.5 from the sheets and f/5.6 at about 7' from the sheets. I have the subject facing at right angles to this with whatever backdrop may be needed. The backdrop is lit directly and seperately with a low powered slave. Opposite the sheets, a cheap plasticized white painters tarp provides reflected fill at about 1.5 stops down. Reflectors on stands are placed for other fill. the whole thing gives a very large, even difused light with less than 1/3 stop light fall off top to botton in the shooting zone. Cheers, Alan KC8PMX wrote: > I was discussing this topic with a friend and was wondering what you may > have made for your photography hobby (or career) instead of possibly > purchasing it? Homebrewing is typically a term used in ham radio as "making > it yourself" instead of buying whatever merchandise. > > For example, using PVC pipe I had constructed lighting stands when I did > alot of still photography. And I also had experimenting with home-made > lighting devices (no I didn't make the bulbs! :) > > Ryan


From: lawrence reiss [lawrencereiss@yahoo.com] Sent: Mon 3/10/2003 To: medium-format@yahoogroups.com Subject: [medium-format] Re: Flash Woes Hi Bruce - I have several 283's of various vintages and a Sekonic flash meter. The 283 units all underexpose for two reasons. First, they are not quite as powerful as Vivitar says - in full power manual mode they overrate the guide number by about a stop. Second, when used in auto mode, the underexpose by almost a stop. I use print film with flash, and generally set the auto exposure setting to give about 1/2 to 1 stop extra exposure over the film's box speed, depending on the situation. For example, Fuji 160 box speed - I set the auto dial at about 80 to 120 depending on the subject and circumstances. Also, when the charged light first comes on, the unit will fire a little below its maximum output on manual - only when the light is actually flashing is the unit at its absolute max. On auto, however, this is of little consequence. Lawrence From: Bruce Feist Subject: Flash Woes I'm using a Vivitar 283 flash on several MF cameras, most recently a Meopta Flexaret IVa. I'm having a consistent problem with underexposure, which I'm not sure I understand. I generally try to use it as a bounce flash, angling the flash direction towards the ceiling between me and my subject. Since the flash is automatic (and I do have it on one of its automatic settings), it should just *work* if I set the f/stop to the appropriate aperature for the automatic setting, right? Yet the photos seem to always be badly underexposed. *embarassed note* I haven't tried pointing the flash directly at the subject to see what would happen. Anyway, here are some of the things I've considered and mostly rejected: 1) Flash is underpowered for the distances involved. I don't think so... the distances aren't that great, and it happens even with extremely high-speed film. 2) I have a basic misunderstanding of how the flash should work when bouncing. I can't judge this one. 3) The flash synch itself isn't working right. This seems unlikely; I'm using the correct "X" synchronization, and a leaf shutter should be able to synch at any speed (right?), so I don't think I have it set wrong, and I've had similar results with multiple cameras, so it's not a specific camera malfunctioning. Any suggestions? Bruce Feist


From: "ajacobs2" ajacobs2@tampabay.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Tiltall/Star D Tripod History - A Genetic Mutation? Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 "C.Phillips" phillips_sager@starpower.net wrote > So some of you folks thought that you had the provenance of the > Tiltall/Star D line of tripods down pretty good, did you? You know - > Marchioni brothers, then Leitz, then Star-D and now after a long pause > a company in China? Well here's something that I stumbled upon while > looking through ebay's [recently] past auctions. Take a look at: Last Month at the PMA, Bogen/ Manfrotto had their entire tripod line up on display. Four aisles over a Taiwan knockoff company had their knockoffs of the Bogen lineup on display. Three aisles from them , Mainland China had their Taiwan Bogen knockoffs of the real Bogen Knockoffs on display. Aside from the finishing and quality of the castings, they looked all the same....the difference "price and feel" . And for about a 110 dollars I could have a 320 dollar Bogen. I wouldn't, too rough for me, but they are there and there are many knockoffs of the Tiltall that were shortlived. It was the state of the art for that era of tripod.


From: "Richard Knoppow" dickburk@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Tiltall/Star D Tripod History - A Genetic Mutation? Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 ... It really does look like a knock-off. My first tripod was a Star-D, bought about 1954, which finally fell apart a couple of years ago. I think Davidson was located in Los Angeles at the time. They made inexpensive but good quality tripods. The quality brands of the time for small cameras were the Tiltall and Quick-Set. My original Tiltall will take an 8x10 camera! -- --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@ix.netcom.com


From: scharf@hotmail.com (Steven Scharf) Newsgroups: rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.technique.nature,rec.travel.usa-canada Subject: Website for Lightweight and Small Travel Tripods Date: 18 Apr 2003 After completing my search for a compact, lightweight, travel tripod, I gathered my data into this website: "" Criteria for Listing -------------------- 1. Weight <=3.3 pounds/1.5 kg 2. Collapsed Size <=21 inches/53cm (to fit in a legal carry-on suitcase) 3. Maximum Load >= 5 pounds/2.3 kg (enough for most amateur 35mm SLRs with telephoto up to 300mm, and flash--check your equipment weight) Current Tripods on Web Site --------------------------- 1. Cullman Jet Set 2. Velbon 343E 3. Velbon 347E 4. Velbon 347GB 5. Bogen/Manfrotto 719B 6. Slik CF804 7. Gitzo 1228/Arca Swiss B1/Case Kit If you know of any others that I should include, that meet the above criteria, please let me know.


From: Henry Posner [henryp@bhphotovideo.com] Sent: Thu 5/29/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Re: OT: Studio Strobes/Monlights you wrote: > I'm new to studio lighting ... Go to http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh4.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=GetPage__Aindex_html___page=FreeCatalog.html and sign up for our 700+ page lighting sourcebook. -- - regards, Henry Posner B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com


From Hasselblad mailing list: From: Nelson L. Mark, SC001 [phair1@jklsoftware.com] Sent: Tue 5/27/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] OT: Studio Strobes/Monlights - Opinions? This is complete hogwash. You can get Alien Bees at different power levels. 1600 WS is 1600 WS, whether it's made by Paul Buff or God. I can't find film with a low enough ISO to use any 800 WS studio strobe at full power, unless I'm trying to dry my model's hair. I use one AB 400 WS unit for fill, and I usually set it around 1/16 power even in a soft box. If Nelson can't get his AB light far enough away from his model to shoot at f16, then she needs to lose some weight. Hmmm...1600 "Effective" WS is NOT 1600WS. Trust me. Put an AB in a 5' Octodome and try shooting a model from 6' away. Not enough power for crapshooting...And, a WL Ultra 1200 is "effectively" 1200, but actually close to 550WS or so. I like to know exactly how much power is being popped each and every time. Not to mention the WL or AB's are designed for extremely light-duty usage. Do some multi-pop shots (like for 8x10 LF @ f/64) and watch the clouds of smoke roll... Ever tried shooting a group shot with only 600WS? Your camera room must be really small to use 400WS for fill... Photogenics are really nice "bang-for-buck" strobes. Many studio's use them. In mine, we use Normans and Elinchroms. As far as AB units looking like Disney, the different colors are extremely handy. I buy each power rating a different color, so I can just grab one and know what it is. Color temp and power curves are fine. The world is full of amateur photographers who tell you that they can tell 2 degrees of color temp difference by looking at a transparency. Don't bee (intentional) fooled into paying 1600 bucks for 300 dollars worth of light because it's German. (or swiss, or whatever) And the next thing you're going to say is that you can see no color difference between Velvia and Provia 100F shot under the same lighting conditions... Amateur? I've shot over 400 rolls of film in the last MONTH. And, trust me, when you're shooting a product against a white background, with gel-coloured lighting, a few degrees of color variation or a color-shift between exposure WILL be noticable. Or, any high-key work. $1600?????? Where are you shopping? They must love you...seriously, though...getting a good used set of lights cost only about $800 for a pack and 2 heads or around $1200 for 4 monos. Even Novatron packs are better quality that WL or AB. Spend the money on some Photogenics and bee happy. Or, if you really care about the quality of your work, get some used Elinchrom, Multiblitz, Balcar, Broncolor, Visatec/Bron, Profoto gear...spend the extra money...and have a light setup which will last you a lifetime and allow you to produce consistent shots with little worry about the final outcome. Color Temperature Shift vs. Flash Output Range Test: http://www.shootsmarter.com/strobetest.html With the strobes at the bottom of the list you could easily have variations of 300 degrees with multiple lights at different power settings. That's as big a shift as the difference between Kodak E100S and E100SW (or G and GX). That could be a problem for some with transparency film. Hmmm...good thing all of my Elinchroms are in the TOP few rows. And my Normans are up there too. Oh, so is the Bron pack I use. The primary issue with color-temp consistency occurs when you are firing rapidly (as in sequence type shots) or multi-popping (as in small f-stops and product/commercial type work).


From: Patrick Bartek [bartek@lvcm.com] Sent: Mon 5/26/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] OT: Studio Strobes/Monlights - Opinions? you wrote: > I wonder if anyone could give me an opinion on some monolights that > I'm looking to purchase. > I was able to test out a DynaLite Uni400Jr this weekend with some > very impressive results. > While I like the results out of the DynaLite, I was told by another > photographer that the Alien Bees (http://www.alienbees.com) are > excellent strobes for the money - high value for the dollar - I > would only be using them right now for headshots so I was wondering > if anyone out there has tried this brand. > > If not, what brand do you prefer/are using? You might want to take a look at Novatron (www.novatron.com). Besides the "standard" power pack/head combos, they make a couple of nice monos that are better than the Bees, but only a little more money. The Bees seem to be for light duty amateur user. The Novatrons cater to the small studio, single shooter pro market and are designed to be used a lot. A good value. However, if you can afford it, the Dynalites are excellent. I use their power packs and heads. Very compact and light, but powerful. Whatever units you decide on, be sure to get color corrected flash tubes. -- Patrick Bartek NoLife Polymath Group bartek@lvcm.com


From: Hank Graber [hgraber@narrativerooms.com] Sent: Mon 5/26/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] OT: Studio Strobes/Monlights - Opinions? Color Temperature Shift vs. Flash Output Range Test: http://www.shootsmarter.com/strobetest.html With the strobes at the bottom of the list you could easily have variations of 300 degrees with multiple lights at different power settings. That's as big a shift as the difference between Kodak E100S and E100SW (or G and GX). That could be a problem for some with transparency film. Hank


From: Scott Coutts scott.coutts@med.monash.edu.au Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital Subject: Re: Simple lighting on the Cheap? Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 I've just started with artificial lighting even though I've been into photography for a few years now. My set up, which I just put together a couple of weeks ago, works well enough for now but has very obvious limitations. But for the price, it can't be beat (: The things you mentioned are most important here (in order): cheap, digital, close-range work. Anyhow... I do a lot of small still-life and macro shots. The things I shoot are usually small, so I need to light a space no larger than 1 cubic meter. I use one of those 500W flood lights. It has frosted glass over it anyhow, so it already has a mild diffuser built in. When I need it diffused more, then I use paper from a roll of that thin, kitchen-type 'tracing' paper that is normally used for lining cake tins (but not the waxy one). I just drape it over the light. I use this for lighting objects that are a bit larger. You can get them already on a stand here in Aus, and I should imagine that similar things are available anywhere. You can get ones that have two 250W floods on one stand, about 0.5m apart. For smaller things, I use those 12V quartz-halogen dichroic bulbs that are used in downlights. You can get bulbs that direct their beam at different angles, so you can have wide angle ones and narrow spots. They're very cheap, and you can get them in a kit with their own transformers and an enamel coated holder. It's designed to fit flush with the ceiling of your house, facing down. But I screwed the globe holder to an L shaped bracket, and screwed a spare tripod quick-release plate to the other side. Now I can mount the spot on my tripod and point it very precisely. A better way is to buy a fitting, like the last two lights on this page, which use the 12V dichroics, but it's more expensive: http://www.ambience-lighting.com.au/extwall/extwall.htm The other benefit of the dichroic bulbs is that they specify the colour temperature, so if you have a digital camera, you can set the colour temperature to that and it comes out fine (Auto WB works OK anyhow, I've found - I use a Canon 10D). Lastly, the size of the opening in the downlight holder is 49mm, so I can fit coloured filters to the front of it too (: 500W Flood light with stand and diffusing glass built in: AU$20 Quartz-halogen downlight dichroic bulb, AU$7.50 Downlight holder and transformer: AU$25.00 ... having said that, I'd love graduate from my dodgey home-made setup to one of those Elinchrom monobloc kits. Only AU$9,500. (: I'm thinking of getting one of those alien bees lights - they seem pretty good for the price. Jordan Bortz wrote: > Hello > Here's a question that I'm interested in and I bet others are too... > > For simple indoor photography just to get started with lighting, what are > some good recommendations on cheap lighting systems/diffusers/reflectors > that can be made out of ordinary materials and/or cheap hardware store > items? > > It doesn't really have to be roadworthy or portable just things to get going > without spending lots of money... Ideas? > > This is primarily for digital at fairly close range... > > Jordan


From: Tom Christiansen [tomchr@softhome.net] Sent: Sat 6/21/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Tripods (was: 503CX Mirror) Hi, >I'd search for a solid tripod instead. (I know, it's >extremely difficult, because they almost all have flimsy, teetering >center columns, or other serious design defects.) Finding a good tripod is not exceptionally difficult provided that you have access to a store with a decent selection. Finding a cheap (<$50), stable tripod is exceptionally difficult (aka impossible). As with all other stuff, you get what you pay for. For "amateurs" and other penny-counting folks (such as myself) I suggest looking at the Bogen/Manfrotto 3021 or 3221. Priced at about $130-150 they are actually a pretty good bang for the buck. But if you want to use exceptionally long lenses (>300mm on 35mm film) you probably want something more stable. For photographers looking for something more stable than their Bogen 3221 I recommend the 300-series Gitzo. I have had my eyes on a G1325 for a while now. It's a damn good tripod. The G1349 is incredibly stable as well. Those are both in the "slightly more expensive" range ($300-500). In any case: Get a tripod without a center column and make sure that the tripod is tall enough that you won't be needing the column. In the store mount a good head on the tripod and put your biggest rig on the head. Now lock the head, give the lens a gentle ding with a finger and watch how much the tripod oscillates. Repeat for other tripods within your price range and buy the one with lowest amplitude on the oscillations. Tom


Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 From: Gordon Moat moat@attglobal.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.technique.people Subject: Re: help deciding on which lights. Ted wrote: > I am ready to get some lights for occasional use. I am looking at several on > ebay and would like opinions of them please. The ones that I am looking at > are: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category;=30087&item;=2937992430 Overpriced. I have some Britek gear. Stick with the lower priced items if you go with them. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category;=30079&item;=2937906681 Okay, compare with http://www.goodwinphotoinc.com/Studio_Lighting/studio_lighting.html. I bought some Britek items from them before they closed their store and went only on-line sales. Since you appear to be in Miami, check with http://www.mardelonline.com/products/studiolighting/Britek/Britek.html or get their phone number on the home page http://www.mardelonline.com Anyway, the Britek lights are low cost, and plastic. They are okay for small studio, or will transport well. They are cheap enough that you do not need to worry about them in rougher conditions . . . if they break, oh well, just buy some more. Even the smaller units at GN 100 are good in small spaces. However, a really good flash, with cords to get it off the camera, might work just as well. Rather than go for a kit, if you want to stay low cost, start small. One Britek AS-36 or similar should be fine to start. If you want some accuracy, and avoiding bracketing, get a good flash meter. Do a search through the archives for this group, and read about the experiences Patrick L. had with some Alien Bees studio strobes. Those are really well made units, and even one might be good for some photographic situations. Buy a good book on lighting. Learning To Light by Hicks and Schultz is a great place to start. The B&H; Photo http://www.bhphotovideo.com Professional Lighting Source Book is another good resource, and at over 800 pages, has almost everything one could imagine. Figure out what you want to use the strobes to photograph. Often one light can be enough. Many of the higher priced units have sliding power settings, to help avoid overlighting. While many sources will tell you to buy as much light as you can afford, with the idea that you can never have enough, this idea can also lead to overlighting, and is a common first mistake. Consider starting with lighting modifiers, since those will change the look of your lighting. One strobe, and a reflector, can be functional similar to two strobes in the final effect, but might be similar. Start looking through magazines with subject matter you want to light. Try to figure out how many lights were used, what direction, and how they related to the camera position. Look at the eyes, or any reflective surface, and see if you can count the lights. Understand what you are viewing prior to buying your own kit. Finally, I hate to say this, but grab a copy of the latest Shutterbug magazine. Use this as a catalogue for pricing, and retailers for lighting. White Lightning, Alien Bees, Elinchrom, Novotron, Norman, Broncolor, Speedotron, Profoto and Bowens all make fairly rugged gear. Many of these could be considered good used purchases. The lower cost is often covered by Britek, Morris, SP Studio Systems, and Photogenic, with some better choices from each company. If you find a copy of PDN (Photo District News), sometimes there are articles on lighting, including placements, power settings, camera settings, and camera positions. Some of the UK photo magazines have occasional articles as well. There are few rules in lighting that cannot be broken, but only if you know how to do it. Do not get into a mindset that you need two strobes, and two umbrellas, just because they have the word "kit" on the box. Do some more research, ask some more questions, then make an informed purchase. Ciao! Gordon Moat Alliance Graphique Studio http://www.allgstudio.com


From: thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Rollei SL66 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 Randall Ainsworth rag@nospam.techline.com wrote: >> No one believes me but I bought my B-200 in 1980 and I'm still on the >> ORIGINAL battery! > > I could only get 'em to last about 7 years. But it's still a great >unit. Helped make me lots of money and was extremely reliable. I >think I bought mine in the mid 70s. problem today is batteries. The new batteries can be changed over for the B200 but the older chargers (I'm told) aren't good for the new batteries Norman sells for the B400 and there has to be some kind of modification. THOM


From: Randall Ainsworth rag@nospam.techline.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Flash retraction Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 > Some time ago in this forum, I said that 1/30 was too slow for an > electronic flash sync. Well I was wrong. I just mistakenly shot half a > party on "B". The shutter was sounding funny and I looked at the camera > and realized I had left it on "B" after checking out the lens the > previous night. 90% of the images were OK with a little blurrieness in > the background. So I suppose 1/30 should be adequate for indoor images > with an electronic flash. I used to photograph wedding formals at 1/15 or so to capture some of the ambient light of the church. Us old codgers used to call it "dragging the shutter".


From: Lisa Horton Lisa@lisahorton.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: REQ: suggestions for a good $100-$200 tripod (FOLLOW-UP) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Alan wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a really good tripod in the $100 > > to $200 range (preferably closer to $100)? > > > > Alan > > I like the looks of the Bogen 3021 and the price is good and all that, > but I did see a Slik Pro 700DX in B&H; Photo's "specials" section for > only $129.95. > > It looks like the biggest differences (besides price) are that the > Slik supports up to 15 pounds where the Bogen supports up to 11 and > the Slik has a 3 year warranty where the Bogen only has a 1 year > warranty. > > The head on the Slik has a quick release which I kinda like, too. > > Is Slik a decent tripod or am I a fool for even considering it? > > The almost $40 price difference is certainly something I'll have to > consider. Slik makes some really cheap and crappy tripods. On this basis, you'll hear people dismissing the entire brand, or worse. However, Slik also makes some good tripods, some very good. The 700DX would sit at the top of that category. I have a 300DX, and it's in every way comparable or better than the equivalent Bogen (3001, equivalent in price). I would think the 700DX to be at least as good as the 300DX, and almost certainly more than a little bit better. However, the 3021Pro has a unique feature that no Slik tripod has: the ability to use the center column horizontally. Great for macro and copy work. Lisa


From: "Slavko Eror" unknown@sympatico.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Vivitar 283 Flash Questions Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 The cheapest softbox: Use a Bounty paper towel. A single square roll is ideal. Put each corner on all four sides of your flash and secure with an elastic. This creates a fairly large "dome" around the flash head and diffuses light really well. "Mark Stephen" markrstephen@hotmail.com wrote > I just picked up a Vivitar 283 strobe to use with my Yashicamat 124G > and have a couple of questions. > > First, the flash has no PC cord. I am going to order some film and > stuff from B&H;, can I just buy a cheap Male to Female 12" PC cord, > will that work ? > > Second, can anyone recommend a cheap soft box or diffuser to use with > the unit ? > > If anyone has a PC cord and softbox/diffuser for a 283 they want to > sell, let me know. > > Thanks, > Mark.


From: "Fred Leif" fsleif@starband.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Vivitar 283 Flash Questions Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 Hi Mark The cord you need is Vivitar's "Detachable Shutter Cord" PC-1 which is NOT a pc to pc type cord. It is about a foot long. One end is a special Vivitar fitting - it stays in better than PCs do - IMHO. It does have a pc (male) end on it, so you can plug it into your pc socket on the camera or 'daisy chain' it with pc to pc cords if you want more distance between the flash and the camera. Vivitar makes a couple of attachments for the 283 which help in adjusting the flash beam for wide angle and short tele lenses. Other manufacturers make similar products (inflatable pillow type gadgets) and adapters that would allow you to use umbrellas. The unit doesn't have loads of power, so soft boxes, umbrellas, and bounce applications may require you to use largish apertures with medium speed films. I've been pretty successful with mine using umbrellas from ~5 to 8 feet on ASA 200 materials. When you use umbrellas and soft boxes you'll probably want the detachable sensor (for automatic mode) or a flash meter and use the unit in manual mode. The 283 manual is pretty helpful. See Vivitar's web site for flash accessories http://www.vivitar.com/Products/Accy/accy.html#FlashAccy Good Luck "Mark Stephen" markrstephen@hotmail.com wrote... > I just picked up a Vivitar 283 strobe to use with my Yashicamat 124G > and have a couple of questions. > > First, the flash has no PC cord. I am going to order some film and > stuff from B&H;, can I just buy a cheap Male to Female 12" PC cord, > will that work ? > > Second, can anyone recommend a cheap soft box or diffuser to use with > the unit ? > > If anyone has a PC cord and softbox/diffuser for a 283 they want to > sell, let me know. > > Thanks, > > Mark.


From: Jim Brick [jbrick@elesys.net] Sent: Mon 10/27/2003 To: casalmonte@tin.it; hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] lighting in big winecellars Here's what I would do... and have done: A wine cellar looks best when the lighting seems natural, that is, the overhead lights shining down on the barrel tops. There is typically not enough light to fill in the shadows even a little, so aux lighting must be used. But you want to keep it looking darkish so that it actually looks like a cellar. I would use small Morris mini slave strobes placed strategically around to gently fill in the really dark spaces. I would put an 85EF equivalent gel over each mini strobe so that the output reasonably matches the tungsten overhead lights. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A;=details&Q;=&sku;=89986&is;=REG or use the Morris round mini slaves: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A;=details&Q;=&sku;=106894&is;=REG and the filter set. The amber filter converts it to tungsten o/p: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=details_accessories&A;=details&Q;=&sku;=174591&is;=REG These Morris mini slave strobes are used extensively in interior photography. Inside lamps, taped to the light bulb (which is turned off of course!), behind counters, chairs, wine barrels, tables... everywhere where a light kick is needed. And they are slaves that are triggered by a single flash that is triggered by the camera. My local pro supplier runs out of these things regularly. People buy them like popcorn. Rosco makes every conceivable color gel filter, 20x24 sheets for $6.99. Enough for a lot of lights. The ambers are the correct colors. You can also get a neutral density gel to cut the strobe o/p a stop or two where needed. Go to http://www.calumetphoto.com and search on Rosco. Test with Polaroid! You probably don't want to buy anything new, but above is what I have done in the past. MHO, :-) Jim andreas wrote: > >dear all, > >I have promised a friend to make photo's of his wine cellars for pr >purposes. they are the modern type, big square 20 x 30 mtrs and about >4 mtrs high, full of oak wine barrels stacked (without neon tubes only >very dim lights). Originally I thought using my swc and some tungsten >lights but I have also a pro-photo pro-5 2400 with one single and a >double head, with the advantage of using daylight film, of course I can >check with the polaroid back but in order to arrive prepared what would >you suggest? >thx for the advice > >andreas


From Bronica mailing list: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 From: wjkean@fsmail.net Subject: Re: Re:flash Hi, The most automation is TTL (through the lens) where the camera measures the light at or near the film and controls the flash. It is particularly useful for macro work or where you are using filters on the lens or where the subject distance is changing a lot. For this to work there must be a special module for the specific camera model and flash. Next level down in automation is an 'auto' flash where the flash has its own sensor and controls itself. As long as the sensor is near the camera (either because the sensor is on the flash which is on or near the camera or some systems have a sensor that can be placed on the camera and connected to the flash with a cord) it will work well in almost all normal picture taking. Most flashes these days are like this and will work with any camera. Or you can use a fully manual flash as Marie does which works just fine particularly when the subject is always more or less at the same distance or when you have time to set up the equipment. These will obviously work with any camera. I use a Metz 45CL4 with the SCA386 adapter (TTL) which works well (although the markings for the settings are so small that I have difficulty in reading them, plus the battry clips underneath and doesn't seem that secure - but has never failed so far). It is probably the easiest setup to use. Sunpak also have TTL systems for the ETRSi. In terms of cost the TTL is most expensive (although that is partly because it tends to be available on the more powerful flashes with more features). As has already been said, a flash meter is useful if you have a studio setup but I managed for many years without one (I now have a Minolta Flah Meter IV which can do practically everything you would ever need). BTW all my medium format equipment was bought second hand, including the TTL module. HTH, Bill From : alljupiter To : Bronica@yahoogroups.com Copy to : Subject : [Bronica] Re:flash Hi everyone this is my 1st post, i'm going to order myself a ETRSi later this week with AEIII prosm finder and a few other bits, but what i don't really know much about is flash units. Being completely new to medium format and flash units its a bit daunting. This may seem a stupid question to you guys but are there any flash units available whereby the camera will work out the correct exposure or do i have to buy a light meter? If you do use a light meter which one do you use? Any help is much appreciated.


From minolta mailing list: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 From: "motikomfort" motikomfort@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Any websites/books that explain details/nuances of wireless flash? --- In Minolta@yahoogroups.com, Robert Lynch robalynch@y... wrote: > > http://users.westelcom.com/~waltsman/flash.html here u have two links about wireless flash with minolta http://users.westelcom.com/~waltsman/flash.html http://friedmanarchives.com/flash.htm also i read an article written by Mr. friedman about the all wireless thing from any known and unknown secrets about the wireless system. the article was publised in UK minolta magazine. moti


From: "Sherman" shermanDELETETHIS@dunnam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Is Bronica the answer ... Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 ... Instead of shelling out big $$$ for a folding reflector from a photo company check out the type designed to place in the windshield of a car to keep it cooler. I purchased two such reflectors which fold to slightly more than 12" diameter and open to squared ovals about 20" by 30". One side is bright silver and the other side is dull or matte silver for a softer light. The results are indistinguishable from much higher priced reflectors. I paid US $9 for two. Sherman http://www.dunnamphoto.com


From: "David J. Littleboy" davidjl@gol.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Tripod advice Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 "WMcga66339" wmcga66339@aol.com wrote... > I have a Mamiya RZ67 that I plan on using for wildlife and a bit of macro > photography, I have been looking at both Bogen and Getz tripods, can someone > recomend a head leg combo. that will both be steady enough and somewhat > portable, as I will be backpacking with it,,,,,The steadiness in the priority As I mentioned before, I just bought a Velbon Neo Carmagne 730, that I like very much. It's 2.4 kg (without head), and the Yodobashi Camera sales person swings from it with his whole weight as part of their hard sell spiel, which, as you can tell, I bought, hook, line, and sinker. (I said Mamiya 645, and they said: don't even think about anything less.) It's _seriously_ bulky, though. It is _not_ a compact tripod. I think they were right about the "don't even think about anything less" bit: all the standard CF pods that I looked at were just too flimsy and shaky and vibration prone at even medium heights. The Velbon Neo Carmagne 730 is quite solid even at my (6'2") eye level. If you don't want to spend that much, my take is that the cheap Slik _metal_ (not CF) tripods (300DX, 500DX, 700DX) are better than anything carbon fiber less than the Velbon Neo Carmagne 730. But they're heavy cheap tripods. (I have the 300DX, and it's actually quite solid, although short.) But I haven't really compared metal tripods. The problem, though, is that the RZ67 is a bigger camera than my Mamiya 645, and you'd want to use the Slik metal 'pods only partially extended. Velbon makes an ever larger monster, the Velbon Neo Carmagne 830. Both the 730 and 830 are three-section tripods, and are available in 4-section versions, the 740 and 840. I prefer 3-section tripods, but there are those who argue that 4-section pods are just as steady. (These may not all be available in the states, or wherever you are.) One of the reasons I like the 730 is that it's tall enough to use at eye level. Although I don't mind using a short tripod and kneeling, I find that when I see something I want to shoot, it may not be visible from a short tripod. I'm not completely happy with the head I'm using, and am considering ordering the Kirk BH-3. For the RZ67, you'd probably need the BH-1. You might want to start with an expensive head and cheap metal legs, and then buy a more expensive set of legs later. http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=001wya All these tripods allow the legs to be set to wider angles for shooting macros on the floor or ground. (The center column on the Velbon 730 is in two sections that screw together. You unscrew the extension for low level shooting.) But I'd think you'd also want a rack that can move the camera for serious macro work. David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan


From: Bob Salomon bob_salomon@mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Cheap :) Medium Format Projector? Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 sog@niwot.scd.ucar.edu (Steve Gombosi) wrote: > Bob Salomon bob_salomon@mindspring.com wrote: > > >Eventually Rollei purchased the Honeywell photographic business (flash, > >auto focus patents, etc) and moved the ROA company from NJ to CO. > > Too bad they didn't keep making the Strobonars. I've still got a 65D which > works like a charm (even if the batteries are insanely expensive). > > Steve Technology passed it by. Better flash units have coated tubes to reduce, or eliminate UV and color shifts caused by UV, as well as to warm up the shot. They have lower synch voltages to protect the cameras, higher output due to increased efficiency, longer flash duration, in some cases, to reduce reciprocity failure, etc. --


From: Craig Schroeder [craig@craigschroeder.com] Sent: Sat 1/24/2004 To: PentaxMF@yahoogroups. Subject: Re: [PentaxMF] Tripod for 67 Don't underestimate what you need.... I spent a lot of time trying out pods with a laser light attached to the camera and found that things I assumed would work were not the best combinations. I use an old Bogen 3046 w/3047 head (wt, about 11.5#) for short jaunts and indoor use and a Gitzo 1320 w/R3 head (about 8.5#) for field work and hiking. My longest lens is a 200 and these have proven usable. I was initially using a Bogen 3029 on the Gitzo and while it was steady enough for what I was doing, it wasn't high enough to let me leave the wood grip on the body and tilt to vertical easily. A foot tension strap on the center post can settle things well, too. Walt wrote: > Looking to purchase a tripod for the 67 Anybody have any > recommendations on what they are using now? > Walt


From: bob.kirkpatrick@heapg.com (Bob Kirkpatrick) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Watt / second question Date: 3 Feb 2004 "Jim Clark" wk321@pacbell.net wrote > the AC strobs have rateings of 100 w/s how does that compair with my 550EX > flash. or to put it another way how w/s does my 550 EX flash have???? AC Strobes and Monolights are usually rated by Watt-Seconds (or Joules, same numerical value) since this represents the total physical power per flash and they are normally used with a wide range of modifiers, different reflectors, soft boxes, or umbrellas. A small on-camera flash like the 550EX is normally used directly with it's own internal reflector so it is rated by 100ASA Guide Number. Since the GN varies as the square of the power, a factor of two GN change means a factor of four power change. As a concrete example, Photogenic monolights come with a 7 inch reflector. Measured like that, their 1000WS unit has a GN of 515, their 500WS unit has a GN of 365, and their 125WS unit has a GN of 180. A 100WS AC strobe with a reflector that creates a similar beam width as the Photogenic 7" would have a GN of about 115 which is fairly close to your 550EX.


From: KBob KBob@donteventry.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment,rec.photo.equipment.misc,rec.photo.misc Subject: Re: WARNING: JTL Monolights are DANGEROUS! Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 steelshim@yahoo.com (John Steven) wrote: >FYI: I recently discovered the hard way that the three JTL monolights >(Versalight series, 300 and 800) I owned are ELECTRICAL HAZARDS. >CAUTION: you may get shocked quite severely if you use these lights. I >found this out by getting a good shock when doing a portrait session >in a studio with a concrete floor. I was wearing shorts and knelt down >to get a better angle on the subject and as soon as my knee touched >the floor, I felt a strong electrical current run through my arms via >the camera. I measured 85 volts AC between the sync cable outer >connector and earth ground. THIS IS NOT NORMAL!! I tried contacting >the JTL company twice but did not receive a response. The same problem >was exhibited by all three lights, so I don't think it's an individual >defect. Instead, it seems to be a design flaw. > >Yes, you might say I was an idiot for wearing shorts and shooting >portraits in a room with a concrete floor, etc. I agree, and I'll not >do that again. However, I recently took delivery of some new >monolights (from Calumet) and they do not exhibit this voltage >problem. > >-John Sounds as if the internal design may involve an AC-DC converter that does not use an isolation transformer, i.e. the worst kind of cheapo engineering. The problem you experienced is clearly a severe design flaw and safety hazard, possibly the result of a failure to connect the neutral of the supply to the proper pin of the plug, and the ground pin (if used) of the cord is probably not terminated to the metallic structure (at least the mounting flange & flash bowl support) of the flash . No flash unit should need to depend on having the plug properly polarized, however--your safety should not depend on whether the plug is shoved in one way or the other. This is of particular concern for electronic studio flash units where potentially lethal voltages are present, and when these voltages are backed up by large capacitors that hazard is made all the more serious. See if the JTL units carry the UL sticker, and if so threaten to turn them in and do it. Consider contacting the BBB and Interstate Commerce Commision about this. Tell them to fix these correctly or you want a total and immediate refund. JTL has an extremely poor reputation for dealing with customers and they are likely to jack you around, expecting YOU to pay for their mistake. Their head guy got his start working for Britek, and that should tell you something. Their products are cheaply made in China and JTL (in the US) doesn't even seem to have a clue as to what's inside them. They are located in La Marinda, Calif.I hope this won't be an expensive learning experience; at least try to post your experience in the various camera discussion groups so that others can profit. Since Adorama is a major outlet for JTL, you might also inform them of your experience. Lest anyone think these lamps are some kind of bargain, keep in mind that the Versalight 800 sells for $550, and that's more than I paid for a like-new Elinchrom 1000 W-S monolight that's a real pleasure to use. Speedotron, Norman, Elinchrom, Comet and Dyna-Lite are brands trusted by pros to deliver, they cost a little more but work out better in the long run IMHO. Here's someone else's bad experiences with JTL: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=005Gl6


From: Q.G. de Bakker [qnu@tiscali.nl] Sent: Mon 11/10/2003 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] Studio Lighting rstein wrote: > Uncle Dick is violently opposed to the use of soft boxes as they are > way overpriced and common as muck. They scream mall portrait. He may be > prepared to violently reverse this opinion if Henry Posner sends him a free > softbox. Henry...? A better and cheaper alternative to soft boxes (though perhaps more work to set up) is to use white perspex sheets (in whatever size you need/want). Put them up in the appropriate place, and then set up your lights behind. The very good bit of using these sheets is that varying the number, angle and distance to the sheet of the lights behind the sheet will vary the characteristics of the light coming through, giving you much more control in addition to the simple "a bit closer --- not so close"-thing that using regular soft-boxes provides. They "eat" light, but not too much.


From minolta mailing list: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 From: "Hung @ pc1" hungkh@theminoltians.com Subject: Re: the ultimate fashion accessory for flash photographers >http://69.93.124.90/truestories/flashhelmet/?page=2 > >Alan Where can we get one? I thaink that constant use of it will lengthen your neck due to wind pull ;-) Hung


From: Doug Payne dwpayne@ist.uwaterloo.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: mounting camera to studio equipment Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 Gordon Moat wrote: > Bogen/Manfrotto have a few brass threaded slug looking pieces that could fit > into the socket hole of a lighting stand. These come in lots combinations of male/female, 1/4 or 3/8 each end, long, short, etc. I use one to mount a flash on a light stand (via the stock Nikon remote cable). They're called "studs" in Manfrotto-ese (or maybe any-ese :-) > There is a device in an older catalogue that I have called a Magic Arm. This > use to be a Manfrotto 2930, though they have changed the numbers so often, I am > not sure if that helps. Anyway, the arm fits a 5/8" female socket, and will > work with the Super Clamp. It can hold up to 8.8 pounds, though you may want to > brace the stand when you have a heavy camera attached. The Magic Arm is a > double jointed arm with a plate and ball head on the end, making any angle of > position possible. I have an 035 super-clamp and 155RC head combination that I use for various things. A bit smaller than the Magic Arm. The 155RC is a double-jointed ball-head with quick release that fits in the end of the super-clamp. Dunno if it's suitable for whatever app was the original subject of this thread. head http://www.manfrotto.com/product/templates/itemalone.php3?itemid=343 clamp http://www.manfrotto.com/product/templates/itemalone.php3?itemid=344 arm http://www.manfrotto.com/product/templates/itemalone.php3?itemid=741


From: john@xyzzy.stafford.net (jjs) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: mounting camera to studio equipment Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 "Neil Gould" neil@myplaceofwork.com wrote: > I have this Elinchrom Polystand > (http://www.foto-mueller.at/shop/pd896774283.html?categoryId=88), > which I want to use to attach a camera to. The Polystand's boom has > 5/8" pins on both sides, no thread. The camera could be a Hasselblad > or Minolta 35mm. The Minolta only has an inner 1/4" thread, while the > Hassy has both 1/4" and 3/8", so I'll go for the 1/4". > > So I'm looking for a head which can be quickly attached to the 5/8" > boom pin and has a 1/4" threaded pin for the camera. I'd like to > tilt/swivel/rotate the camera, so a straight adapter is not an option. IMHO, not a good idea because of the lightweight nature of the stand. It is okay for the lights it was intended to hold to move a bit, but the camera? Nooooo. In any event, there are (or were) Bogen/Manfroto adapters that can be used to Mickey-Mouse what you want. One is a clamp intended to go over round tubes. It has a 'v' jaw on one side and the other jaw is flat. On the bottom of this clamp is a standard 1/4" hole for more accessories. Also on the bottom is a proprietary hole for more Bogen/Manfroto gizmos - one of which is a universal, double-jointed clamp with 1/4" and 3/8" female tripod mounts. Another gizmos that attaches to _that_ part is Manfroto #155. (The other pieces have no numbers or I'd post them.) All together it make for one seriously shakey, Rube Goldberg setup. (BTW, some of the Bogen/Man... parts, in particular the telescoping tubes, 1/4" end pieces and knobs are pretty much standard Italian hardware you can find in the spendy (but still cheaper than BF) sources for retail store displays.)


From: "Bandicoot" "insert_handle_here"@techemail.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Lightweight tripod head for MF Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 "David J. Littleboy" davidjl@gol.com wrote > > "Bandicoot" "insert_handle_here"@techemail.com wrote: > > > > The Kirk BH-3 is like a scaled down Arca monoball (more or > > less: it doesn't have the progressive damping) and is what I use > > on a Manfrotto 444. I know Lisa uses an Acratech on hers and I > > think with this tripod these are the two leading choices. > > Do you use your BH-3 to hold your camera flopped over on the > side for vertical shots? If so, what camera/lens and how well does > it work? > > (I've been thinking about the BH-3. I'm currently using a Foba > Superball M-1, and I'm not happy with it for flopping my Mamiya > 645 over on it's side for vertical shots. (The camera moves as I > tighten down on the knob, very irritating.)) Yes, but not often. I much prefer to use an 'L'-bracket for portrait oriented shots, so only 'flop the ball' when I'm travelling light. I use this head mostly with 35mm gear, usually putting my MF cameras on an Arca B1 on a big Gitzo. Having said that, the BH-3 really doesn't seem to move when I tighten the knob. It'll hold a Pentax LX and 300mm F4 A*, for example, like this. I like it, and it seems exactly the right size to match up to the 444. I have used the 444/BH-3 combination with my 6x6 gear when travelling and it has worked pretty well, certainly fine with a 180mm f2.8 (though probably not if it was very windy.) Of course, with 6x6 I don't need to flop the ball. My 35mm stuff is probably similar in weight to your 645 though, so I'd expect it to be fine. In fact, my preference for using an 'L'-bracket rather than flopping the ball isn't really to do with the head: it has more to do with the tripod and keeping the mass above the apex. It also just seems easier to use that way rather than work with the ball flopped and then need to use the panning base to adjust side-to-side, etc. Peter


From: Randall Ainsworth rag@nospam.techline.com Newsgroups: alt.photography,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Homebrew Front Projection Info? Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 > Is anyone aware of a good source of information for building a front > projection system similar to the Scene Machine? Drawings, diagrams, and/or > pictures, would be very useful. In fact, just an ongoing discussion with > someone who has done it would be useful. And, of course, sources for a > reasonably priced mirror-type beam-splitter and reasonably priced high-gain > retro-reflective screen material would be helpful also. Thanks for any > assistance offered. I did front-projection in the studio from about 1980 to 1995. Had several articles published in The Professional Photographer related to FP. I think that 3M is the only company that makes the screen material and it's real expensive. As for the hardware, you've gotta have perfect alignment between the camera lens and the projector lens. I doubt that the average DIY guy could do it. I've still got my Hensel Vario-Compact sitting in a box. Might let it go for the right price. Only have mounting blocks for Hasselblad (manual) and RB though.


[Ed. note: looking to recreate that "old time" look?...] From: "dr bob" rsmith@dmv.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Old large format-Which One? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 "Capt Nud" captnud@aol.com wrote ... > Hi Richard, everyone, > I have access to some old planes, a real 1917 Curtiss Jenny, a 1924 Dehavilland > Dh-4 Mailplane that will be painted as one of the ones Lindbergh flew for > Robertson while in St Louis as well as some others (Local aviation museum.) > > The models will be wearing period clothing. I want them, the pictures, to look > like Barnstormer/mail plane pilot pictures from the time. > > I'm going to shoot them digitally also with my 10D, but I want to make some big > enlargements of actual photographic prints for the museum. I'm thinging of > getting either a Speed Graphic or Koni-Omega as all I have is 35mm. > > Was planning on using Efke film and printing on warm-tome fiber based paper . > thanks for your interest... > > don If I were to perform the task you propose, I would choose my Koni Omega mainly for the format. Actually the camera should matter least. The film will! The film used in those days was primarily the ortho-chromatic emulsion. This is marketed by Ilford today (I have not used the Ilford - yet). It will render the sky white (as seen in those vintage photographs) and anything red - black. I might try some experiments in processing also. You might like a grainy appearance or not - your choice - depending on the film and processing. Frankly, I like some of the recent photographs I have seen produced with ortho film. Another possibility is to use "normal" panchromatic film with a cyan filter. This will give essentially the same look as ortho but they are rare these days. A #47, blue filter will make really old looking images - not what I would like, but you might. Try some of this experimentation and get back. Truly, dr bob.


From: Peter Irwin pirwin@ktb.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Old large format-Which One? Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 ... I think most of those circa 1920 pilot pictures were taken with Graflex SLRs with colour blind plates or film. The camera shouldn't be that important except that the reflex finder made taking that kind of picture much easier than it would have been with a view camera. You could probably get away with making enlargements from a medium format negative. You can get a lot of the look from a panchromatic film plus a blue #47 filter. The filter factor of 6 will also allow you to get similar aperture/shutter speed combinations to those of the originals if you use 100 speed film. Peter. -- pirwin@ktb.net


From: "Nicholas O. Lindan" nolindan@ix.netcom.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Subject: Re: Old large format-Which One? Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 "Capt Nud" captnud@aol.com wrote > I have access to some old planes, a real 1917 Curtiss Jenny, > a 1924 Dehavilland Dh-4 Mailplane ... models ... period clothing. Ah, that's better, now we & I have some understanding of what you are trying to do. > I want them, the pictures, to look like Barnstormer/mail plane > pilot pictures from the time. I don't think I have ever seen a B.S./M.P. picture, so I am not sure what the 'look' would be. > I'm thinging of > getting either a Speed Graphic or Koni-Omega as all I have is 35mm. > Was planning on using Efke film. The film will make not a whit of difference. If you are going to hand hold a Koni-Omega or Graphic then 400 is a good choice: you can then use a fast shutter speed. Otherwise any old 100/125 is fine. Me, I shoot TMX, TMY and deplete my remaining stocks of Plus-X Pro and Royal Pan. If I were doing the shoot I in 4x5 I would use TMY, a speed graphic with flash gun, synchronizer, blue filter and a #5 flash bulb: this is about the closest you can get to a 1920's press outfit. You can get a large-format look, smooth creamy grey tones and complete absence of grain, with a 35mm loaded with tech pan. With 5x7 prints you would need a loupe to tell the difference. For lighting you are going to need to get hold of some #5 flashbulbs and a flashgun. It was common practice then that news photographers used flash under all circumstances. You still see that practice today if you watch the newsies instead of the Prez. It keeps shadows out of the eyes and lessens the chance of flubbing the exposure. > and printing on warm-tome fiber based paper . In the mid 20's, from the pictures I have seen in the Cleveland Art Museum Collection - the non-arty-farty ones - professional photos are pretty much as they are now: blue/black image on bright white paper. The brown & cream look to pictures is Edwardian: late 1800's, early 1900's. That doesn't mean you can't give them that fin-de-siecle look. How many photography oriented art historians and archivists do you have in your flying club? Toning in Kodak Brown toner is the closest to getting a turn-of the century brown: all prints were toned then, the brown doesn't come from the emulsion. The motivation may have been to lessen fading as print washing was pretty rudimentary back then. The other key to an 1890's pic is to find a very buff paper stock. You won't, though, so don't bother. They don't make buff stock any more, which is why olde-tyme photos are dipped in tea as a final rinse: to stain the _paper_ to a buff color. But, being repetitive, this won't get you a true '20's look, just an 'old picture' look. Other age hints, though not historically correct: Use a _very_ slow shutter (15 seconds) so you get that hazy-eye look from folks blinking; heads and hands will also get some motion blur - this is 1850's, but who's keeping track. You will need a lot of nd filters to pull this off. To complete the 1850's look you will need a very bad lens. Try unscrewing the front or back element and see where that gets you. To make it look like an old limited latitude film I would suggest blowing the highlights and sky by overdodging when printing. A blue filter will help keep the sky white (and shutter speeds long, heck use two or three). > Thank you for your interest. It sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. -- Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio nolindan@ix.netcom.com Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics. psst.. want to buy an f-stop timer? nolindan.com/da/fstop/


From: "Leonard Robertson" leonard@harrington-wa.com To: cameramakers@rosebud.opusis.com Subject: Re: [Cameramakers] wet plate lens recommendations Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 Steve, I'm not sure any of these links will help, but you can look at them and decide: http://www.antiquewoodcameras.com/site-map.htm http://www.phsc.ca/links.html http://www.cwreenactors.com/cgi-bin/collodion2000/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum;=DCForumID1&mm;=0&archive;= Maybe you can find someone on one of these pages you can email who can direct you to a lenses page. Leonard ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve wilson" steveophoto@mac.com To: cameramakers@rosebud.opusis.com Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 Subject: [Cameramakers] wet plate lens recommendations > hello, > I'm beginning to work in the wet plate process and am seeking > information as to lenses of the day, specifically darlots. any advice? > many thanks. > steve


From Photography Teachers Mailing List: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 From: "Darren Collins" collinda@nortelnetworks.com Subject: RE: Portrait Ratios Just for clarity, let's call the relative intensity of the main light (as measured at the subject) M and the fill light F. Some people define the ratio as (M+F):F and others define it as M:F. In my experience, it's usually older people who have had formal photographic training that use the first version, and younger enthusiasts without the photographic education that use the latter. So, if the main is twice the intensity of the fill (a one-stop difference, M=2, F=1), some people will call it a 3:1 ratio and others will call it a 2:1 ratio. For equal intensity (M=1, F=1), the two groups will call it 2:1 and 1:1 respectively. For a two stop difference (M=4, F=1), they'll call it 5:1 and 4:1 respectively. The first definition is (technically) correct. It describes the ratio of the combined intensity of all light sources (at the subject) to the intensity of the fill light alone. As such, it gives a more accurate picture of what's going on when you've got more than two lights. Confusing, eh? I like to just describe it in stops. As in, "I set the fill to 1 stop under the main" or "I had two fill lights - one on the left at 1 stop under and one on the right at 1.5 stops under the main". That way there's no room for confusion! Darren http://photo.pool-room.com


From: "Bob Hickey" Hickster711@nyc.rr.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Diffusing material Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 What Graham said. I use the surface called "Ice" which gives me the most even effect. 2' x 2' is about $3 at Home Depot, but they come much larger. It's also easy to snap off a few small pieces and make diffusers and reflectors for on camera strobes. They also sell aluminum dishes for a couple of bucks. Fine for fill. Bob Hickey "Don" mackie.don@bigpond.com wrote > Folks > > I wish to make some large diffuser screens to put in front of some hot > lights in my "studio". I am obviously looking to do this as cheaply as I > can. The screens will be square about 3 feet wide by 7 feet high. Can > someone advise what material I can use. I am hoping to go for a similar > effect to that achieved using a commercial "soft box". > > regards > > -- > Don From Down Under


From: Bob Salomon bob_salomon@mindspring.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Lightweight tripod head for MF Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 "jjs" nospam@please.xxx wrote: > "Bob Salomon" bob_salomon@mindspring.com wrote... > > john@xyzzy.stafford.net (jjs) wrote: > > > > You didn't look at the professional category. This link might be easier for you: > > > > http://www.hpmarketingcorp.com/PR/Giottos%20pr.html > > Still looks like the transposition of a conventional design with the same > liabilities. Well let's see: The Giottos has a central control around the center column that sets the leg spread angle to one of 3 positions for all legs at the same time. To my knowledge no other tripod does this. Then there is an individual lock on each leg top to adjust each leg to a different angle if desired. And the tension of the leg spread and the leg lock are adjustable by the user. The column goes up and down like most tripods and then racks over, from the center, to any position from straight down to almost straight up. It is adjustable for the amount of overhang and a seperate control, beneath the column tube allows for 360o rotation of the column - a feature not found on any other tripod. A spring loaded hook is at the bottom of the column for a counter weight. When the column is not used the top plate becomes a 3-way pan tilt head. A feature not found on other tripods. The feet are rubber balls covering large aluminum spikes. these can be unscrewed and replaced with a large diameter rubber disk which has it's own ball head with adjustable tension control. The disk has a small hole in it to put a nail or spike through to anchor the disk on sand, snow, mud, etc. Or a snow shoe with an attached spike can be used. The tripod comes with a shoulder strap and a tool kit for adjustments. Each is attached to the tripod with a 3/8" screw on the side of the casting for the column. These can be replaced with Novoflx gooseneck arms either 10 or 18" long. Each arm has a ball head with a flash shoe mount. The arms also accept Novoflex reflector clamps or plant clamps. That means the tripod can be set up in the field with the column pointed at any angle and the gooseneck arms can hold a flash on each side, a flash on one side and a reflector on the other side, or a clip to hold a leaf, stem or electronic part in front of the lens so your hands are free to operate the camera. Again not seen in other tripods. Then add the other standard features, leg covers, 14 layer French carbon fiber, case, etc and a M.A.P. of $268.00 to $326.00 or in aluminum from $145.00 to 160.00. So how do you envision a tripod to be different?


From: Charlie Goodwin [cgoodwin@mcttelecom.com] Sent: Sun 3/14/2004 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: Re: [HUG] spend my hard earned money on a tripod A couple of random thoughts on tripods. Try in no particular order: Benbo, Bogen/Manfrotto, Gitzo. It's poor economy to cheap out on tripods. Money spent on a better tripod is like buying a better lens. No, even better than that, since the more stable your camera the sharper your work. It's like getting an upgrade on your entire stable of optics for every camera you own. Lesser optics sometimes will surprise you with how much they can do if camera movement isn't an issue. An unspoken benefit of any and all stable camera platforms is that you will focus better when the camera isn't all over the place. My usual mantra about equipment ... "Rent it, borrow it, steal it, but whatever, try it, before you buy it." That goes double if scarce funds must be spent wisely. If the tripod isn't going on rugged climbs, then a sturdier heavier item might be workable. For a purchaser "stuck in rural MA", you aren't even close to being a goner if you can't get to NYC. With all due regard to the amazing photo retailers in NYC, they are a category of their own, but instead, stay in MA . You will, I'm sure, find what you are looking for at: Calumet Photographic 65 Bent Street Cambridge, MA 02141 (800) 795-6315 http://www.calumetphoto.com or Hunt's Photo and Video 100 Main Street Melrose, MA 02176 (781) 662-8822 http://www.wbhunt.com or E. P. Levine Boston Marine Industrial Park, 23 Dry Dock Ave. Boston, MA 02210 phone: 617-951-1499 fax: 617-951-1466 M-F 8:30-5:30 EST. * * * No Saturdays * * * http://www.cameras.com (http://www.cameras.com) Hunt's is, for a "local" store, more than surprising, a real powerhouse with quite a stock to browse. Strong for new amateur and a lot of new pro stuff. Only OK for used - not spectacular. Calumet's web site is, well, rather tepid for a major international photo retail entity. I'll just put it that way. Regardless, their stores are great; very well stocked, and I've had great sucess in their Cambridge store, and happily used Calumet products for 30 years or so. The people I have dealt with in Cambridge have been wonderful. Best for new stuff. Levine's is an incredible source for used pro equipment; my preferred source for lightstands, tripods, used cameras, optics. Big rental dept. Big. All three of these are best visited in person - the websites won't help you get a feel for what's out there and how it would work for you. Make it a day's trip, see all three. Levine's is open only M-F Happy hunting, C


From: "RSD99" rsdwla.NOSPAM@gte.net Newsgroups: alt.photography Subject: Re: Photographing Jewellery Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 See http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/tip_sear.htm http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/directory/library/subject/9/1 http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/directory/library/subject/9/2 http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/directory/library/subject/9/3 "toff" toff_sydney@yahoo.com.au wrote > Hi, > > I hope someone can help me. I know virtually nothing about photography > - my wife and I own a fairly standard camera, which cost about $100, > for taking holiday pictures and so forth. However, she makes jewellery > as a hobby, and is going to try to sell some - and we've found our > normal camera hopelessly inadequate in photographing it. The pictures > either come out badly blurred etc. or (if we take them from further > away) not of sufficient detail. > > My question is - what sort of camera do I need (the least expensive > solution) to photograph jewellery with good detail? > > Thanks for anyone who helps me out. > > Chris


From: Rob Novak rob.novak@NOcomSPAMcast.net Newsgroups: alt.photography Subject: Re: Photographing Jewellery Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 toff_sydney@yahoo.com.au (toff) wrote: >My question is - what sort of camera do I need (the least expensive >solution) to photograph jewellery with good detail? A point-and-shoot is probably not going to give the results that you are looking for. If you want to go digital, look for a camera with macro focusing capabilities. Even then, you're going to have some problems getting the results that are going to sell your wife's product. However, a possibly less expensive (and much more flexible) route would be to pick up an older, used 35mm SLR body with a standard (50mm) lens, and a set of close-up filters. If you want to show off jewelry to its best advantage, you'll be wanting: 1) A diffuse light source. On-camera flash is going to wash out detail on metal objects, which are going to throw reflections and create hot-spots. Direct point lighting from a spot or flood is going to do the same. You'll either need a lighting rig with soft-box, or you'll need to build a diffuser box through which you'll light your jewelry. 2) A macro lens or close-up filters. You're going to need to get in close to get the detail. A standard zoom lens has a close-focusing distance of anywhere from 4-1.5 feet, and even at full zoom that's usually completely inadequate. True macro lenses aren't cheap. A set of close-up filters will run you around $50. 3) The main reason a point-n-shoot (even digital with macro zoom) isn't really feasable - you need a polarizer. With metals, stones, etc. you're going to have reflections. A polarizing filter helps you tweak the reflections that show up in the final image. No point-n-shoot camera is going to take filters. 4) If you're using off-camera flood lighting, you're going to need color correction filters for daylight films. An 80B filter is normally OK for 500W floods. BTW - for photo-floods on the cheap, go buy a set of 500W halogen work lamps from the hardware store. You can get individual floods for $10, and the dual-head ones on a stand for about $30. Jewelry is one of the hardest subjects to shoot well. It's small. Detail is very important. It's frequently reflective in all the wrong ways for photography. This is not to discourage you, but to explain that while you're looking for a simple "buy camera X" answer, the solution's not that simple. You're going to need to assemble a number of components. My advice would be to find a good camera shop in your area that sells used gear. Go in, tell them your budget, tell them what you're looking to do, and have them recommend an affordable SLR, lens, tripod, and filter-set combination. Here are a couple of articles on shooting jewelry properly. You don't need to get this extreme, but it illustrates some of the principles. http://tinyurl.com/3byo3 http://tinyurl.com/2b7g6 -- Central Maryland Photographers' Guild: http://www.cmpg.org


Subject: Re: Homebrew Front Projection Info? From: billfrogg froglett@mindspring.com Newsgroups: alt.photography,rec.photo.misc,rec.photo.equipment.35mm Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 Peter Chan pete@petezilla.co.uk wrote: > Randall Ainsworth rag@nospam.techline.com writes: > > I think that 3M is the only company that makes the screen material > > and it's real expensive. As for the hardware, you've gotta have > > perfect alignment between the camera lens and the projector lens. I > > doubt that the average DIY guy could do it. > > I have an old Ilford manual that tells you how to make your own silver > screen. IIRC it involves mixing varnish and aluminium poweder. I wonder > if it would be possible to mix varnish and small glass beads, anti bumping > granuals for instance. Yes, the glass bead scheme can be DIY; you look for a screenprinting supplier and they will have both the beads in bulk and the rather rubbery adhesive that you can apply to almost any surface. Having applied the adhesive, you sift the beads onto it. This is sold normally to the sign manufacturing crowd. billfrogg


From: Henry Posner [henryp@bhphotovideo.com] Sent: Tue 3/9/2004 To: hasselblad@kelvin.net Subject: [HUG] Re: Studio question Hasselblad wrote: > I need to talk to someone on the list who has experience using a > front-projection system in a portrait studio. I did this for a decade, albeit 20 years ago. Book: Creative Photography with Front Projection by Don Ellis ISBN: 0-8174-2139-4 / 0817421394 Title: Creative Photography with Front Projection Author: Don Ellis Publisher: Watson-Guptill Publications, Incorporated Edition: Softcover EPS Scene Machine. See was the brand I used, along with (if I recall correctly) a 3M 3615 screen which was VERY delicate. The projector ha a beam splitter which has to be aligned PERFECTLY with the camera lens and you have to be SURE no ambient light or subject light bleeds onto the screen. It's also nice if the direction of light on your background image matches your main/fill set-up. NOTE: I used a Scene Machine, but I am not endorsing the Scene Machine nor does B&H; sell this product. -- - regards, Henry Posner Director of Corporate Communications B&H; Photo-Video, and Pro-Audio Inc. http://www.bhphotovideo.com


From: "zeitgeist" blkhatwhtdog@yahoo.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Soft Box Improvisation? Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 > I'm starting to experiment with food photography and I would like to > improvise a soft box lighting without actually buying a soft box. > > Would a piece a paper covering a flashlight or a spotlight suffice? > Any suggestions? > The main point of studio light modifiers isn't to put something between the flash and subject, it isn't really just something more to sell you, to make you look cool. the point is to make a very small light source, the flash tube, seem much larger. a tube with minimal reflector is a very tiny and harsh light source. they used metal reflector bowls cause in the very early days of photography you needed every little bit of light energy to be concentrated and even focused (fresnel lensed spot lights) cause photofloods were relatively weak, film and lenses slow. with flash power we can blast through walls (well I exaggerate) but the thing is, with even a basic monoflash you can hang a sheet a translucent white fabric from the ceiling and shoot a light through and get the effect of a very very large softbox. the back half of a softbox is just a way to make it more efficient, again to avoid wasting all that light splashing around, to reflect it back to the subject. you make scrims by taking that fabric and taping it over some pvc pipe, get two lengths 10 feet long (standard size) and cut 6.5 feet so you now have a 6.5 x 3.5 rectangle, use 4 90' corners and you have a framed scrim panel. run a stretch cord through the pipes and you will have enough strength to hold it together yet be able to pull it apart for packing and keep the loose pieces tied together. the cloth can be found in most fabric stores, called sports nylon. general rule of thumb is that a light source should be twice as big as the subject. I try and try to convince portrait photogs of this.


From: Dave davedoes@qwest.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: Re: Portable AlienBees w/Vagabond battery Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 There is an alternative, but without the nice carrying bag. Wal-Mart has a portable 15 Amp Hour vehicle battery/DC Power Source with its own charger for about $40.00. They also have a 350 watt inverter for about $60.00. So, for around $100.00 you have a portable 350 watt AC supply. That should do the trick for a couple of heads. Patrick L. wrote: > The whole Vagabond thing is very expensive. Does anyone know of a cheaper > alternative? > > Patrick


From: Alan Browne alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: Re: Portable AlienBees w/Vagabond battery Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 Bobs wrote: > "Patrick L." nicework@ifyoucangetit.com wrote: >>The whole Vagabond thing is very expensive. Does anyone know of a cheaper >>alternative? >> >> >>Patrick > > Seems to me that all they're using is a 12V DC/AC converter (inverter) > to supply 110V power to the flash. Can't you find something like this > at Radio Shack or elsewhere? Just make a compact bundle out of a > lead-acid 12V battery (the kind used in UPS units) and the inverter, > that's all there is to it. Read Tom's post. I heartilly concur. The P/S in monolights (in fact many electronic products) do not handle the power generated by a 'chopping' inverter. Sine only. The thing they (Alien Bees, et al) don't tell you is that they could design their P/S to handle choppers (bigger P/S caps, isolation trasformer, better P/S design), but it would drive up the size, weight and cost of the unit. In the end this is the right decision as most strobe shooting is in a studio. http://www.ecovantageenergy.com/catalog/items/item1410.htm these go up to 600 watts which might not be enough for two AlienBees when they recycle. http://www.ecovantageenergy.com/catalog/items/item1395.htm is a lot more $ but can probably handle a couple AlienBees 800's. Cheers, Alan.


From: Alan Browne alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Thyristor accuracy question Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 Patrick L. wrote: > Okay, say I"m using a Vivitar 283. > > I'm using ASA 160, the subject is about 10 feet in front of me, and I set > the Vivitar to red because I'm shooting at F/5.6. > > On the Vivitar dial, red tells me I'm good for under 30 feet with this > setting, and as I understand it, the thyristor will adjust output to match > what I'm focusing on, > > or does it? > > The thyristor is not communicating to my camera, it's a non TTL flash. > You're using an "AUTO" flash, which is the poor, older cousin of the TTL flash. In an auto flash, the "sensing" of the falsh is done in the flash unit. The camera tells the flash to "go"; the flash thyristor lets the flash power through until the "integrator" has detected enough flash for the desired range/ISO. The weaknesses of this approach (and it's better, but not perfect with TTL flash) is that scenes are not always 'average'. So, if you have a person dressed in dark clothes and the background is dark (or even light if far enough away) the flash remains on too long waiting for light to come back from a relativeley small surface (face) instead of the 'model' average scene. So the subject gets 'burned in' pretty hard. My rule of thumb with print film is that if the foreground "light" areas (faces, etc) is less than 1/3 of the image area, then I flash comp down by one stop... if less than 20% then 1.5 stops. (in your case, you would reduce the aperture from f/5.6 to f/8 or f/9 as you can't control the flash that way.) AUTO flash is a compromise that allows you to get away from guessing or using a flash meter... if I were you I'd think of getting a TTL system or an incident flash meter. The advantage of the hand held meter is precision at the expense of some convenience; the advantage of TTL is greater convenience at the expense of accuracy (although good technique and some advanced TTL flash systems will overcome this quite well). Cheers, Alan


From: Nick C n-chen@cometcast.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Thyristor accuracy question Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 Jeremy wrote: >>Is the thyristor going to sense that distant object an create an >>overexposure (haven't tried it yet, just theorizing)? >> >>How does it know what I'm focusing on? >> > > > You've got it all wrong. Let's go back in time and see if it makes sense > after you review what led up to this. > > Back when we used flashbulbs, the output of the bulb was in no way > adjustable. You snapped the shutter, the bulb flashed at its full output, > and that was that. The way that you adjusted your exposure was to set your > aperture opening based on how many feet away from you the subject was. (I > do not remember whether flashbulbs could synch at any shutter speed--I'm not > old enough to remember that). What you got was an average reading, based on > an average subject reflectance (18%??). > Whether you were shooting in a > large auditorium or a small room, the flash bulb created the same amount of > light, and you had to adjust your lens opening accordingly. My comment below is NOT intended to be read as a correction, but should be read as being additional information as concerns the use old fashion flash bulbs. The 'peak' light of a flash bulb was the same but the light output at the time a picture may be captured may not the same. For example, when used in a small room as opposed to a large room it was not unusual for a picture to be taken prior to the flash bulb reaching its peak light output. Because the light output of a flash bulb was fixed, the size and reflectency of a room was also a consideration, along with subject distance, the the photographer had to be aware of. The peak light plateau was extremely short as compared to the inherent time lag of flash bulbs to build up to peak light. Therefore, capturing a scene at best peak flash bulb light was indeed a trick, more or less a function of luck. The degree of luck could be reduced dending upon the expertese of the photographer coupled with the exposure latitude of film. The light output of a flash bulb (as compared to a electronic flash) is not at immediate full output. When using sheet film Press Camera's with Press Flash Bulbs, cameras could be synched at any speed, as determined by the f-stop setting. Since it was common practice to use fast panchromatic sheet film, f-stops were guesstimated settings determined by practical experience. Such information was more often handed down via word-of-mouth rather than found in print. Often times, 'batch' film was tested with tested f-stops to determine safe exposures at various distances, under various surrounding conditions. Peak light output of a flash bulb was controlled by the amount of aluminum mesh the manufacturer could safely stuff into the bulb. Too much aluminum mesh could cause Press flash bulbs to explode. Commercial blue bulbs were covered with a burn resistant substance that would prevent the shattering of glass. Needless to say, the peak intensity of light from a flash bulb had a great deal of latitude from different manufactures and within the tolerances of a given manufacturer. It would be safe to say, compared with today's electronic flash designs, flash bulbs were more or less considered loosy-goosy in quality and reliability. Exposure calculators of the times were exclusive to the type bulb being used, with the limited available type film. The photographer generally used two methods to control the intensity of light from a flash bulb. The f-stop setting and the type cover used on the flash gun. The type cover used (often something that was mickey-moused) was a bane to a tyros. The heat intensity of the flash bulb would often set fire to what was used to cover the flash gun. When photographing subjects that were close (5 to 10 feet), it was often necessary for the photographer to detach the flash gun from the Press Camera and with out stretched hand backward, try to subdue the light commensurate with the f-stop chosen. At times, an assistant (usually a bystander) may be used to hold the flash gun at an approximated distance. Needles to say, flash photography in pre-autoflash days, was extermely complex having to deal with many variables. Being a photographer (professional or hobbyist) required a great degree of interest and dedication. Nick > > Got that? Good, let's move on: > > The first models of electronic flash operated on the same principle. The > flash shot at full output. You adjusted your aperture opening based on the > distance between your lens and the subject. Instead of your working off a > printed table, there was a little "calculator dial" which gave you the > exposure settings, based on the ASA (film speed) of the film you were using > and the distance. Again, it was an AVERAGE reading. You might decide to > open the aperture up if your subject was dark, or you might close it down a > bit if your subject was light. > > You could also compensate for some degree of over or under exposure during > the printing stage. The black & white film that was used had a certain > degree of exposure latitude. > > Next generation of electronic flash incorporated an electric eye in the > base, which instantaneously measured the amount of light reflected back by > the subject, and quenched the electronic flash, by shunting any remaining > current to ground. Essentially, the flashtube was shut off early, before > all of the electric current was allowed to light it up. As long as your > subject was within the flash's distance range, it would receive sufficient > light. If you needed more distance, you bought a bigger flash, like a > handlemount unit. > > With this electric eye system, the photographer now had options. 1: He > could continue to shoot at maximum output, and adjust his aperture, as he > had done all along. Or, 2: He could set the flash to automatic, and, as > long as his subject was within the flash's distance range, the flash would > average out the scene and cut off the light output when the subject had > received enough light. This was a big improvement over the previous system. > The photographer was freed from estimating distances and adjusting his > aperture accordingly. He simply set his aperture and shutter speed one > time, as specified by the flah unit manufacturer, and the flash unit did the > rest. It was probably the earliest use of "automatic exposure." BUT IT WAS > NOT THROUGH-THE-LENS. The flash unit averaged out the scene and adjusted > the light output. Amazingly, it was pretty good! > > Next generation flash: THYRISTOR. There was one shortcoming with the > previously-described automatic flash: it made no difference how much current > was quenched--all of the unused current was lost. So, if your unit > delivered, say, 80 flashes per charge, that's what you got, regardless of > how much power was used for each flash. Whatever power was not used was > lost. The thyristor was a development that allowed that power to go back > into the flash capacitor, to be used for the next flash. This had the > potential of greatly increasing the number of flashes per battery set, > especially if you were shooting objects that were close to the lens, as most > of the flash current could be recycled. > > A thyristor is not an electric eye--it is a current recycling component. It > did not affect the flash unit's output, it simply extended the life of its > batteries by not wasting unused current. Every flash made today has this > feature, but it was big news when it first came out in the very early 70s. > > Next generation of flash: MULTIPLE F-STOPS (this is what you have on your > Vivitar). Up to this point, the photographer had to shoot at a single > f-stop, specified my the flash manufacturer, at any given film speed. This > limited him because he could not take advantage of depth-of-field (since he > could shoot only at a single aperture) nor could he control the ambient > light in the scene (for example, at a small f/stop, the people or objects > lighted by the flash might be ok, but the surrounding areas might be dark. > You see this often in shots of wedding receptions--the guests at the table > are properly exposed, but it looks like the table itself was located in a > very dark room). > > This newer generation of flash units had multiple f-stop settings (typically > 3), which would allow for automatic flash operation. The flash unit was no > more powerful than before, in terms of light output, but the internal > computer now had 3 different cut-off points, based on 3 different f-stops. > Now the photographer had some degree of control over which aperture setting > he could use. > > IN ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS the flash unit's electric eye averaged out the scene > and cut off the light output at the appropriate instant. The unit did not > know what you were focused on. It is entirely possible that an object > located close to the lens might fool the electric eye into allowing less > output, even though you were focusing on an object farther away. In that > case, you would need to shoot the flash at manual (full output) setting, and > set your aperture based on the distance table on the exposure calculator > wheel, for the object that you were focusing at. > > If you have objects in your field of vision that are not all the same > approximate distance from your lens, you are going to get imprecise results > with any flash. The farther away an object is, the more light is needed to > properly illuminate it. If you illuminate a distant object properly, you > can expect any objects closer will be over-illuminated and will appear > washed out. > > You can sometimes lessen that effect by shooting at maximum allowable > aperture for your flash, to let available light illuminate as much as > possible. That may not always be practical, depending on the circumstances > and the film speed. > > I shoot with a Metz 402, which is a handlemount from the 70s, with 5 f-stop > ranges, an electric eye, and a thyristor to conserve battery power. It > serves my needs just fine. It turns out that, since my camera bodies are > all from the 70s, and were made before they invented TTL, I can't use the > features on the newer generation of flash units anyway. > > Amazingly, the results on those older electronic flash units are extremely > good. Unless you have very exacting requirements, you probably can get very > pleasing results without moving up to the dedicated camera/lens/flash > solution. > > I think that I got this all correct, but I welcome any additions or > corrections to this post.


From: "Jeremy" jeremy@nospam.thanks.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Thyristor accuracy question Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 > I hope you won't take it amiss if I point out that it would be better, > in the sixth para - the electric eye flash - to say that the remaining > charge (coulombs) or energy (joules) were dumped to ground; current > (amperes) is a rate of flow, and does not really fit the concept of > having a remainder to be dumped. > I really don't understand the technical end of it--but I couldn't come up with a way to express the fact that, before thyristor circuitry, the battery power used to light the flashtube was all used, regardless of the actual duration of the flash. > The only additional point which occurs to me is that some of the best > thyristor controlled flash units had a separate sensor; this could be > placed in the hot shoe, so that the flash sync signal came from the > camera, and the exposure reading was also done from there, whilst the > flash head (connected by cable) could be located off-axis up to the > limit of the cable. I used to use a National 5650 gun of this type, a > big hammer-type with separate power pack, very powerful for its time, > though it has more or less fallen into disuse since the NiCd battery > won't hold its charge for more than a flash or two, and the alternative > of using 8 D cells is not my idea of sensible. IIRC, you could get > similar remote sensors for some of the better single unit flashes like > the Vivitar 283. > -- I think that Honeywell introduced that feature, with the "Strobo-Eye." I first saw it when the Spotmatic IIa camera came out--that was the one that had the Strobo-Eye built right into the camera body. I bought a hotshoe model Honeywell Strobonar Model 462, and it worked fine. There was no real benefit to using a hot shoe-mounted flash, with the Strobo-Eye just a couple of inches away on the camera . . . And the downside was that the unit could be used only with the Spotmatic IIa camera--otherwise one had to purchase a separate Strobo-Eye, and that added more wires and more stuff that had to be connected. My Metz 402, while not quite so sophisticated, had a evey elegant implementation: the electric eye was located in the front of the handle, which would normally be pointed toward the subject. The flash head could swivel up and down and/or side to side, for bounce flash effects. And the 402 also had a second auxiliary flash head that could be plugged into the power pack, and which was controlled by the electric eye on the first handlemount head. It was more automation than I ever needed. . . If I am not mistaken, wedding photographers used that system for quite a few years, along with MF cameras that had no TTL flash capabilities, and they did just fine with it. What is truly amazing is the level of sophistication of those little flashes that are built into the average Point-&-Shoot camera! My digicam has 5 flash modes, including automatic fill-in flash (my favorite use for flash shots). My Nikon Lite Touch 140 P&S; also has several automatic flash modes, including red-eye reduction. It is amazing how far electronic flash has come in the past 3 decades. Those humble, oft-maligned P&S; cameras seem to be where all the innovation is these days.


From: David Littlewood david@nospam.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm Subject: Re: Thyristor accuracy question Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 Jeremy jeremy@nospam.thanks.com writes >> >> Is the thyristor going to sense that distant object an create an >> overexposure (haven't tried it yet, just theorizing)? >> >> How does it know what I'm focusing on? >> > >You've got it all wrong. Let's go back in time and see if it makes sense >after you review what led up to this. > >Back when we used flashbulbs, the output of the bulb was in no way >adjustable. You snapped the shutter, the bulb flashed at its full output, >and that was that. The way that you adjusted your exposure was to set your >aperture opening based on how many feet away from you the subject was. (I >do not remember whether flashbulbs could synch at any shutter speed--I'm not >old enough to remember that). What you got was an average reading, based on >an average subject reflectance (18%??). Whether you were shooting in a >large auditorium or a small room, the flash bulb created the same amount of >light, and you had to adjust your lens opening accordingly. > >Got that? Good, let's move on: > >The first models of electronic flash operated on the same principle. The >flash shot at full output. You adjusted your aperture opening based on the >distance between your lens and the subject. Instead of your working off a >printed table, there was a little "calculator dial" which gave you the >exposure settings, based on the ASA (film speed) of the film you were using >and the distance. Again, it was an AVERAGE reading. You might decide to >open the aperture up if your subject was dark, or you might close it down a >bit if your subject was light. > >You could also compensate for some degree of over or under exposure during >the printing stage. The black & white film that was used had a certain >degree of exposure latitude. > >Next generation of electronic flash incorporated an electric eye in the >base, which instantaneously measured the amount of light reflected back by >the subject, and quenched the electronic flash, by shunting any remaining >current to ground. Essentially, the flashtube was shut off early, before >all of the electric current was allowed to light it up. As long as your >subject was within the flash's distance range, it would receive sufficient >light. If you needed more distance, you bought a bigger flash, like a >handlemount unit. > >With this electric eye system, the photographer now had options. 1: He >could continue to shoot at maximum output, and adjust his aperture, as he >had done all along. Or, 2: He could set the flash to automatic, and, as >long as his subject was within the flash's distance range, the flash would >average out the scene and cut off the light output when the subject had >received enough light. This was a big improvement over the previous system. >The photographer was freed from estimating distances and adjusting his >aperture accordingly. He simply set his aperture and shutter speed one >time, as specified by the flah unit manufacturer, and the flash unit did the >rest. It was probably the earliest use of "automatic exposure." BUT IT WAS >NOT THROUGH-THE-LENS. The flash unit averaged out the scene and adjusted >the light output. Amazingly, it was pretty good! > >Next generation flash: THYRISTOR. There was one shortcoming with the >previously-described automatic flash: it made no difference how much current >was quenched--all of the unused current was lost. So, if your unit >delivered, say, 80 flashes per charge, that's what you got, regardless of >how much power was used for each flash. Whatever power was not used was >lost. The thyristor was a development that allowed that power to go back >into the flash capacitor, to be used for the next flash. This had the >potential of greatly increasing the number of flashes per battery set, >especially if you were shooting objects that were close to the lens, as most >of the flash current could be recycled. > >A thyristor is not an electric eye--it is a current recycling component. It >did not affect the flash unit's output, it simply extended the life of its >batteries by not wasting unused current. Every flash made today has this >feature, but it was big news when it first came out in the very early 70s. > >Next generation of flash: MULTIPLE F-STOPS (this is what you have on your >Vivitar). Up to this point, the photographer had to shoot at a single >f-stop, specified my the flash manufacturer, at any given film speed. This >limited him because he could not take advantage of depth-of-field (since he >could shoot only at a single aperture) nor could he control the ambient >light in the scene (for example, at a small f/stop, the people or objects >lighted by the flash might be ok, but the surrounding areas might be dark. >You see this often in shots of wedding receptions--the guests at the table >are properly exposed, but it looks like the table itself was located in a >very dark room). > >This newer generation of flash units had multiple f-stop settings (typically >3), which would allow for automatic flash operation. The flash unit was no >more powerful than before, in terms of light output, but the internal >computer now had 3 different cut-off points, based on 3 different f-stops. >Now the photographer had some degree of control over which aperture setting >he could use. > >IN ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS the flash unit's electric eye averaged out the scene >and cut off the light output at the appropriate instant. The unit did not >know what you were focused on. It is entirely possible that an object >located close to the lens might fool the electric eye into allowing less >output, even though you were focusing on an object farther away. In that >case, you would need to shoot the flash at manual (full output) setting, and >set your aperture based on the distance table on the exposure calculator >wheel, for the object that you were focusing at. > >If you have objects in your field of vision that are not all the same >approximate distance from your lens, you are going to get imprecise results >with any flash. The farther away an object is, the more light is needed to >properly illuminate it. If you illuminate a distant object properly, you >can expect any objects closer will be over-illuminated and will appear >washed out. > >You can sometimes lessen that effect by shooting at maximum allowable >aperture for your flash, to let available light illuminate as much as >possible. That may not always be practical, depending on the circumstances >and the film speed. > >I shoot with a Metz 402, which is a handlemount from the 70s, with 5 f-stop >ranges, an electric eye, and a thyristor to conserve battery power. It >serves my needs just fine. It turns out that, since my camera bodies are >all from the 70s, and were made before they invented TTL, I can't use the >features on the newer generation of flash units anyway. > >Amazingly, the results on those older electronic flash units are extremely >good. Unless you have very exacting requirements, you probably can get very >pleasing results without moving up to the dedicated camera/lens/flash >solution. > >I think that I got this all correct, but I welcome any additions or >corrections to this post. A truly excellent summary, Jeremy - very much in the true Usenet spirit of helpfulness, thanks. I hope you won't take it amiss if I point out that it would be better, in the sixth para - the electric eye flash - to say that the remaining charge (coulombs) or energy (joules) were dumped to ground; current (amperes) is a rate of flow, and does not really fit the concept of having a remainder to be dumped. The only additional point which occurs to me is that some of the best thyristor controlled flash units had a separate sensor; this could be placed in the hot shoe, so that the flash sync signal came from the camera, and the exposure reading was also done from there, whilst the flash head (connected by cable) could be located off-axis up to the limit of the cable. I used to use a National 5650 gun of this type, a big hammer-type with separate power pack, very powerful for its time, though it has more or less fallen into disuse since the NiCd battery won't hold its charge for more than a flash or two, and the alternative of using 8 D cells is not my idea of sensible. IIRC, you could get similar remote sensors for some of the better single unit flashes like the Vivitar 283. -- David Littlewood


Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 From: "BCampbell" chickenlittle@theskyisfalling.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Basic camera-mount/tripod questions! >>And what about the > > pins? I've seen a lot of tripods on eBay but the mounts usually don't > show > > any pins, just the holes for them; are these just common little parts that I > > need to acquire separately? Although the Pentax has the little hole you don't have to use it. I've used mostly Kirk plates with my Pentax and never used, or needed, the pin hole. However, if you really want to use it you can look for plates that allow the mounting screw to slide backwards and forwards so that the distance between the screw and the pin hole can be adjusted to confrom to the distance between the camera tripod socket and the hole. Kirk and probably Really Right Stuff make quite a few plates like that. I don't know the size of the screw that would fit into the hole on the Pentax camera, none of the Pentax literature that I have says anything about the size of the hole or even what it's supposed to be used for. You could buy a package of screws in various sizes at Home Depot for a couple dollars and probably find one that fits, or you could call Pentax U.S. >>If I find some tripod legs without a head, is there a standard > > here too that I should be looking for when shopping for a head, or > > vice-verse? Among the better quality tripods most legs are sold without a head. It's usually the el cheapo ultra flimsy jobs for 35mm cameras that are sold with integrated heads and legs. So in all likelihood you will be buying the two separately (though if you buy used the seller may be selling both together even though they weren't originally sold as a single unit). There is no "standard" relationship between the head and the legs that I know of. Some manufacturers (e.g. Bogen/Manfrotto) suggest certain combinations but you aren't limited to the combinations they suggest. I've used Bogen 3221 legs with an Arca Swiss B1 head (a ball head) for years with my Pentax 67 and it's a good combination though the head is expensive. Some might think the 3221 legs are too light for a camera as heavy as the Pentax 67 with lens but they've worked fine for me. I don't believe in the theory that a heavy camera demands a heavy tripod. I've also used this camera with a Gitzo G320 metal tripod (no longer made I don't think) and a Bogen 3247 head (pan/tilt head). That combination worked well but was very heavy plus I didn't care for the collars on the Gitzo legs. My favorite combination is Gitzo 1325 legs (carbon fiber, very light weight, improved leg collars) with a Bogen/Manfrotto 410 geared head but I only use that for large format. It would work well with the Pentax 67 too but I prefer a ball head for the type of work I do with the Pentax. The Gitzo carbon fiber tripods are expensive but worth the money I think. IMHO the principal considerations in buying a tripod are weight, weight, and weight. A tripod that remains in your closet because it's uncomfortably heavy to carry is the worst kind. Once you've found an acceptable weight then look for build quality and ease of use. "Norman Worth" nworth@earthlink.net wrote ... > You need a sturdy tripod to keep that beast steady. I use a Bogen 3221 with > a Bogen 3047 head to support everything up to 4X5. Even with this fairly > sturdy arrangement, I can feel some vibration when my big SLR trips. > > I. I don't know of any standard for the indexing pins. On the tripod heads > I've seen, they have been spring loaded so that you can use the tripod with > cameras that have no hole or a hole that doesn't match. You don't really > need it when using a tripod. It may be required for special grips and > mounts. > > II. Camera tripod heads come with either 1/4-20 or 3/8-16 screw sockets for > mounting. (A few very big ones may take 1/2 or 5/8 or even bigger, but > you're unlikely to run into them.) The larger Bogen heads and tripods use > the 3/8 size. Most others use 1/4. Don't confuse the head mounting screw > size with the camera mounting screw size, which is almost always 1/4. Be > careful to get a head that fits your tripod. > > "Lunaray" yar@easystreet.com wrote... > > Okay, so I just got this big heavy caricature of a 35mm SLR called a "Pentax > > 67II" and I know nothing about mounts, or tripods! Up until now, all of my > > cameras have been small & light and just about any $50 tripod worked just > > fine, but I think I'm in a different arena now and I need to start looking > > for something a little beefier. > > > > Questions 1: On the bottom of my Pentax there's the tripod socket and an > > "accessory guide hole", I know that the guide hole is for a mounting plate > > pin, to keep the camera from twisting, but does this spacing between the > > guide hole and the tripod socket conform to some kind of standard so that I > > know what to look for in a tripod mount/mounting-plate? And what about the > > pins? I've seen a lot of tripods on eBay but the mounts usually don't show > > any pins, just the holes for them; are these just common little parts that I > > need to acquire separately? > > > > Question 2: If I find some tripod legs without a head, is there a standard > > here too that I should be looking for when shopping for a head, or vice-verse? > > > > Thanks all, for my continuing education! :-) > > -- > > Ray ( www.rayspace.com )


From rangefinder mailing list: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 From: Jim Williams jimwilliams1@cox.net Subject: Re: [RF List] studio lighting question Arthur Schlaman wrote: > I have for a long time wanted to experiment with studio lighting. > There > are all sorts of lighting equiment set ups on ebay. I was wondering if > anyone could suggest what power lights to get (ie: 120ws)? I want to > get > something usable without breaking the bank. Usable for what? If you want to photograph small still lifes/tabletop stuff/headshots/etc. then a total of 250ws or so should provide you with plenty of energy. For full-length photos of people, you'll get more versatility with about 500ws of energy -- you need more because the lights have to be farther away. For GROUPS of people, room interiors, cars, etc., you'll need about 1500ws or more. The numbers I'm throwing around refer to the total energy storage of the flash system -- either in a central power pack or added up among various heads. Energy storage doesn't translate directly to light output, but it's a handy way of comparing the approximate capacity of various different units. (When reading eBay or ads, beware the watt-second numbers quoted for the "White Lightning" and "Alien Bees" type units, which on close reading can be seen to be "EFFECTIVE" or "EQUIVALENT" watt-seconds -- meaning the actual energy storage is lower, but the manufacturer claims the unit puts out an amount of light equivalent to a unit with that number of ws. The trick here is that that's ONLY when using a specific type of reflector -- when experimenting with lighting you'll almost always be using all kinds of different reflectors and diffusers, so the 'equivalent' guide number doesn't tell you much of anything.) By the way, if you want to experiment with a lot of different light effects, you'll probably want at least three heads. In a central power pack unit, the total energy will be divided up among those heads. If you buy separate monolights (power unit built into the head) then the total energy of your system is the sum of the watt-second ratings of the individual units. RF cameras are great for studio electronic flash because you can see whether the units went off or not! Good luck and have fun...


From rangefinder mailing list: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 From: Joe Polizzi polizzi@westbend.net Subject: RE: studio lighting question Good subject. I've been thinking the same thing! I know that strobes are all the rage, but I would think that us RF-folks would be more for constant-output lights, right? Just yesterday I saw some tungsten light kits advertized in the latest Shutterbug magazine that seemed like a pretty good deal. I saw it at the library, and don't remember the brand or any specifics. They offered all sorts of accessories, like umbrellas and dimmers and whatnot. I know that one disadvantage of the tungsten lights is that their output and color temperature changes with little voltage variations on the line, and those constant-voltage transformers are expensive! It'd probably take like $500 worth of CV transformer to regulate $300 worth of tungsten lights. Does anyone know if the voltage issue is much of a problem? I'd think it's not as bad for B&W; shooters like me. Joe Arthur Schlaman wrote: > > I have for a long time wanted to experiment with studio lighting...


From rangefinder mailing list: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 From: Jim Williams jimwilliams1@cox.net Subject: Re: [RF List] studio lighting question Joe Polizzi wrote: > Just yesterday I saw some tungsten light kits advertized in the latest > Shutterbug magazine that seemed like a pretty good deal. I saw it at > the library, and don't remember the brand or any specifics. They > offered all sorts of accessories, like umbrellas and dimmers and > whatnot. I know that one disadvantage of the tungsten lights is that > their output and color temperature changes with little voltage > variations on the line, and those constant-voltage transformers are > expensive! It'd probably take like $500 worth of CV transformer to > regulate $300 worth of tungsten lights. Does anyone know if the voltage > issue is much of a problem? I'd think it's not as bad for B&W; shooters > like me. I used to use tungsten lights a lot, and I never noticed any particular effect from line-voltage variations. At any rate, it's a small enough difference that it "comes out in the wash," i.e., you can't distinguish it from the other minor variations caused by different film batches, processing-line differences, color characteristics of individual lenses, etc. If you were hooking the lights up to dimmers, then yes, you probably would notice that the lights would get significantly warmer as you dim them. The answer would be not to dim them much -- and if you just need a 'trim' adjustment to get an exact lighting ratio or whatever, it's easier just to move the light forward or backward slightly. (Dimmers are more important in, e.g., theatrical lighting, where the lights have to be in fixed positions.) I don't really see why tungsten lights would be more "RF-friendly" than flash, though. They are large, they get hot, they're conspicuous, and they don't put out a lot of light for their size, which makes them not very portable. One exception would be if you want to photograph basically by available light and just want to add something to give the light a little directionality. Fluorescent-lit rooms are a lot like this: there's plenty of light, but it doesn't COME from any specific direction, so the lighting is flat and ugly (especially for b&w; photography.) Add one small tungsten light off in a corner somewhere and you can create some direction and modeling. If you're photographing in color, though, it suddenly becomes hugely complicated because now you have to filter your light source to match your ambient light, and tungsten lights are hard to filter because (again) they get really hot. In this case it's probably better to go back to electronic flash, which can be used to create the same type of effect but requires only a small filter to get it to sort of match the fluorescents.


From: TP tp@nospam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Tripods: Carbon Fibre vs Aluminium Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 "Tony Parkinson" nospamnewsreplies@photoshot.com wrote: > >Tony, since you've mentioned the 2 tripods I'm considering >replacing/supplementing my Uni-Loc S1700 with in the next few months, what >would you advise is the largest lens that can be securely supported by these >2 tripods ? With the right head, the 055 Pro/3021 Pro will support a 300mm f/2.8 or even a 400mm f/5.6. For a faster 400mm you should choose a larger tripod. The 190/3001 will support a 300mm f/4 but is marginal for a 300mm f/2.8. In very good conditions (no wind, firm ground) you might stretch to longer lenses. >Which head would you suggest ? 141RC ? 222 ? 322 ? From long experience (since 1988) I would not recommend any Manfrotto tripod heads except the geared 3-way heads 410 (Bogen 3275) and 405 (no Bogen equivalent). I use a 405 in the studio and it works perfectly; the 410 is a lighter version suitable for 35mm format with lenses up to 200mm, maybe 300mm at a pinch. The 141RC is a good, sturdy, cheap 3-way head that has been around for years. Because it's so cheap, it is very popular, wlthough sales have been dented by the new 460 Magnesium. I have always found that the 141RC moves when you tighten it. Every time. It's very annoying. The 460 is light, handles well and is cheap, but simply isn't rigid enough. It also moves when you tighten it. The 222 and 322 are from a long tradition of grip action heads (of any brand) that simply don't work. Anything that's so easy to unlock and move is just not going to hold your camera steady, except maybe for a wide angle or standard lens in 35mm format on the 322. The 222 is surely just a joke? It's not easy to find a good tripod head. I sold my nearly-new Manfrotto 055N Pro about two years ago and now use a Tiltall with integral 3-way head. It's no good for working low down but it's fine for everything I do in 35mm and 6x6, and it's also light enough to carry. Probably the best thing about it is not having to agonise about which 3-way head to buy. ;-) HTH, HAND etc...


From: David Littlewood david@nospam.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Tripods: Carbon Fibre vs Aluminium Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 ... Just to add a few comments of my own to Tony's thoughts (and with apologies if I have repeated anything said earlier - I have been away/busy over the last few weeks): (1) I have used a 141RC on my 055 for many years with a high level of satisfaction. In particular, I have never noticed any problems with shifting about any of the 3 axes when tightening; either Tony is more fussy than I am, or I am more careful in tightening (neither sound likely to me) or Tony's 141 is slightly sloppy. (2) The 055/141 combination works fine with my EOS 1n/100-400 IS, and with my Mamiya 6 120 outfit. I have when stretched used it with my Linhof 5x4 camera; it is some way below ideal for this, but better than hand-holding! (3) My favourite Manfrotto head is the 229; I use one on my 058 tripod, the heaviest I own. This combination is marvellous to use (the leg level adjustment mechanism on the 058 is inspired*), and robust enough for anything I have ever used, or imagined using - but too heavy to carry "just in case", and really only necessary for LF work. It would be perfectly possible to use the 229 head on an 055 tripod, but maybe a bit of overkill. It is also rather expensive compared with many of the others discussed. *Many people overlook the fact that to use a tripod accurately - e.g. for panoramas - it is essential to get the axis of the legs accurately vertical - levelling with the head just will not do - and the 058 is the only 'pod I have ever seen that allows you to do this in seconds and without bending down. (4) I have just (literally - just got back half an hour ago) bought a Manfrotto 440 and 460 head. I was very surprised - and impressed - to find that the 4-section model showed no significant loss of rigidity compared with the 3-section version. I had gone along with a firm preconception that "less sections must mean more rigidity" but I certainly could not measure any difference, and I spent half an hour trying to compare them. (5) Having read Tony's comments on the 460 yesterday, I was slightly put off it - over the years I have found Tony to be a good source of comment on such matters. Having tried it - in the shop only, which I agree is no substitute for use on the job - I agree the locking knobs seem less than ideal. When the knobs are slackened the transition from locked to free seems rather jerky. However, I really did want to save weight, and I judged that the rigidity when locked was good enough for purpose. (6) I have only tried the action grip heads in shops, and I agree they are not good - I certainly would not use one. (7) Many people seem to swear by ball/socket heads, but I have never liked them much. Maybe if I got a Rolls-Royce version I would like them more - the only one I have used much is the one which came on my Benbo - but I have never felt the need. I got the 440/460 to take to Madeira next week (my wife was getting very stroppy about the weight of the 055/141 in the suitcase*). I will try to remember to give a report on how I find it when I get back. *It was cheaper than getting a new wife, and I'm quite attached to the one I have. -- David Littlewood


From: TP tp@nospam.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.equipment.misc Subject: Re: Tripods: Carbon Fibre vs Aluminium Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 David Littlewood david@nospam.demon.co.uk wrote: >(5) Having read Tony's comments on the 460 yesterday, I was slightly put >off it - over the years I have found Tony to be a good source of comment >on such matters. Having tried it - in the shop only, which I agree is no >substitute for use on the job - I agree the locking knobs seem less than >ideal. When the knobs are slackened the transition from locked to free >seems rather jerky. However, I really did want to save weight, and I >judged that the rigidity when locked was good enough for purpose. David, The lack of rigidity I referred to occurs when everything is tightened up and you are ready to take the shot. Unfortunately, the magnesium alloy casting is flexible, and it can even resonate in the wind. I found this when taking some night shots with exposures of between 10-45 sec with a Nikon F100 and 85mm f/1.8, and a Bronica ETRSi with 150mm f/3.5. There was evidence of camera shake on many of the shots. When re-shooting them several nights later I noticed the movement in the viewfinder. I tightened all three axes only to find the movement was still there. Then I realised the magnesium alloy casting was flexing, and it would even resonate at high frequency (order of 60-80Hz) when the wind was at right angles to the optical axis! I returned the tripod head the next day and the new one was exactly the same. I returned that one and waited a few days for another replacement, and that replacement did exactly the same thing. In the studio I set up the 460MG head on a Manfrotto 075 (huge and heavy tripod) and mounted the Nikon F4 with an 80-200mm lens set at 200mm and a 2.0X teleconverter. Making sure that everthing was tightened up, I flicked the end of the lens while observing a red laser dot on the white wall through a 6X turret viewfinder, and the vibration was very noticeable. I exchanged the 460 for a ball head and the vibration was absent. Several friends have bought Manfrotto carbon fibre tripods complete with the 460MG head, and all have experienced a lack of rigidity that is in stark contrast to the excellent rigidity of the tripod legs. All have sold their 460MG heads on eBay, where there is a ready market for them - which is good news for sellers. I have not checked to see whether the latest production 460MG heads have been re-designed. If not, you shold perhaps consider replacing it with something better. For all its other faults, the 141RC has no such flexibility problems and weighs not much more. Tony


From: mr645@aol.com (Mr 645) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Date: 26 Feb 2004 Subject: Re: Feedback on cordless flash syncs I have owned them all. Best to worst Pocket Wizards FreeWire 98% as good as PW Quantum 4i Wein IR, about tied with the 4i Jon http://www.jonlayephotography.com


From: "Dennis O'Connor" doconnor@chartermi.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: upcoming studio shoot question Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 2X3 what, feet, meters ? A 2x3 foot, box is small for full figure work, unless you stack them... Background, props? Clothing, gloves, nylons, scarves, sheets, drapes, sun glasses, etc.? Who is doing the hair and the makeup? And supplies... Filters, light green for minimizing skin blemishes and veins... Light yellow also workable if she is young enough to still have peaches and cream skin... Enough heat in the studio for nudes? mucho importante unless blue veins and goose bumps turn you on Bring an extra electric heater... A warm dressing gown she can throw on between setups... Something warm for her to drink, tea usually works... Music? Who is picking it? A fan if you need hair blowing... Enough staff that she is comfortable naked in front of you, but not so many she feels like she is on the menu... Who is stuffing film into cameras? more than one body, right?!? You lose a lot of time and break the mood if you have to stop every 12 shots... That's starters... Google on the topic, lots of books out there... denny "photo" mjlphotographics@shaw.ca wrote ... > I have an upcoming studio shoot, majority of film will be black and white.


From: "Maywood" maywoodw.nospam@oco.net Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.technique.misc Subject: Re: Portable AlienBees w/Vagabond battery Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 If you look at the details on the Vagabond you'll see that its a 15AH 12 volt battery and either 1 or 2 true sine wave inverters. The inverters are coded CU150 - so that may mean 150 watts. If you look around you may find 150 watt true sine wave inverters for $150 or less and 12 volt lead acid batteries 12AH less than $50 or 18 AH at less than $75 but then you'd have to add some kind of charger. As an alternative you might try something like this: http://www.xantrex.com/products/product.asp?did=565 for as low as $100. The caveat is that it is a modified square setup. I've not seen any definitive answers as to whether Alien Bees or for that matter any AC flashes require true sine wave input or may run on modified square wave. "KBob" KBob@donteventry.net wrote > "Patrick L." nicework@ifyoucangetit.com wrote: > >"Alan Browne" alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca wrote in message > >> Bobs wrote: > >> "Patrick L." nicework@ifyoucangetit.com wrote: > > > >> > > >> >>The whole Vagabond thing is very expensive. Does anyone know of a cheaper > >> >>alternative? > >> >> > I've often thought that these Vagabond gadgets could be easily cobbled > together from a common DC-AC converter, and a great many of them now > produce quasi-sinewave output, so should in theory work all right. > The problem that I see with these is the very large inrush current > that occurs during the first period following each flash. Studio > flashes can draw upwards of 80 amps and more during these short > transients--usually to short a period to blow fuses, unless you fire > in quick succession. So my concern would be that an inverter of this > type may need to have higher capacity than expected in order to handle > these transient inrush currents. I'd be anxious to hear if anyone has > any luck with this. > > Also consider that D-size NiMH cells having a 9 amp-hour capacity and > solder tabs are available (on eBay and elsewhere), and 10 of these > might make an ideal battery for this.


From: Lourens Smak smak@wanadoo.nl Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Shiny Stuff Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 "Jack" No@mail.Please wrote: > Are you saying that these shots were shot at an angle? > http://www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/CatSamp4.jpg > > Is the camera at an angle or the object? If you use a longer lens, it gets easier a bit and the angle won't show up as quickly. You only need a small change from the 90 degrees anyway. (go for as small a difference as possible!) I use a proportional font so I hope the diagram below is clear when you read it.... LLL C L=softlight C=camera \ / (reflecting angle) / -- \ bracelet with reflector cards next to it, top and bottom. (light coming from the "top", when looking at the final image, will be best.) If you use a longer lens, the light and camera will be further away from the bracelet, and also the angle will get less... If you have a flexible camera (Sinar etc.) you can use the shift function to shoot at an angle while it still looks perfectly straight. > > Usually I add a spot with grid > Can you please explain what this means? It's a matte black metal honeycomb-grid with a certain thickness, so light goes straight through it, but not at an angle. A grid is used to create a beam of light. It changes the direction of the light, not the light itself. Couldn't find a better example quickly, but here: http://www.profoto.com/product_category.php?catId=118 you see some tiny images; the actual product pages don't have images, sadly. They come in different sizes to fit onto different reflectors. Lourens


From: Lourens Smak smak@wanadoo.nl Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Shiny Stuff Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 "Jack" No@mail.Please wrote: > Hi > Here are some very boring bracelet catalogue shots. > > http://www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/CatSamp4.jpg > > How would you say, this was shot? I did many pictures like this (most of them better, even if I say so myself...) and it's not that difficult. Explaining the setup is more difficult. If you look at the right part, you can see a bit how it's done. The dark part of the reflection is the "hole" in the setup (white cardboard cards probably, given the size of the bracelets) where the camera is behind. use a long(ish) lens and make sure no light falls onto the camera, or it could show up in the (dark part) of the picture. shoot just a little bit in an angle, it will make lighting a bit simpler because it will be easier to make the reflection in the flat frontal parts "not black" if you understand what I mean. If everything is 90-degree straight the flat parts will reflect where the camera is, and that will be black. You can't put a light there, or put a white reflector there... reflecting cardboards top and bottom, and maybe a softbox or so shining "into" this arrangement, giving a bit of direct light as well. (2nd picture, lightest part of the reflection... notice light shining over the reflector card.) You *need* a bit of direct light, for the colour. Usually I add a spot with grid from top-left or top-right for this, flashing with low power. The shadow and background were put in later. In fact the shadow was made from the mask of the bracelet itself, it shows. A coloured background will show up in (some of) the jewelry! use white or grey or so. You could lay down two small strips of black or grey cardboard close to the bracelet, to get a nice contour. (How this will look depends a lot on the actual shape) > What lighting was used? > Tent, strobes, lightbox or what? Forget the tent...really, forget it. You'll end up with a grey looking mess. Probably strobes were used, but you could use other lights. Working with tungsten will get very hot though, because your set will be very small. > How easy is it to shoot something simple like this? Take your time and maybe spend half a day or so experimenting with the first bracelet, if you don't have any experience. The other 100 bracelets will go quickly after that.... Also, all of the shown ones are flat, and more rounded ones could be more difficult, or need a slightly different setup. ;-) Louren


From: slberfuchs@aol.com (Ted Harris) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format Date: 26 Jul 2004 Subject: Re: Newer Tiltall Tripods New tiltall/old Tiltalll does not tell the story. Tiltall has gone through at least 4 major changes that I can think of: 1) The ORIGINAL Tiltall manufactured by Marconi in Rutherford, NJ through the late 50's or early 60's (not sure of the dae). I have one from late 50's and it will definitely handle a midweight 8x10, it will easily handle 10-15 pounds. When it was the only tripod I owned it did yeoman duty with a Linhof Kardan Color. 2) The Tiltall's manufactured by Star (Star D?) whil clooked the same externally but had nowhere near the same structural integrity as the original and were, according to those who used them, nothing special. 3) The Tiltall's marked by Leitz (who knows who made them) that were propurtedly quite good but again, I am not sure they were up to the original. 4) The current version about which I know nothing. There is a Tiltall mystic and it all centers around the quality fo the ORIGINAl 'pods that came from Marconi. None of the others are quite the same AFAIK. Ted Harris Resource Strategy Henniker, New Hampshire


From: bmitch@comcast.net (Willhelm) Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Newer Tiltall Tripods Date: 26 Jul 2004 One rather unheralded feature of the old Tiltall heads was a viscous pad which damped small vibrations from tranmitting to the camera. New Tiltalls have only the customary rubber pad.


From: "William Schneider" william.schneider@ohio.edu Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Newer Tiltall Tripods Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 I purchased the smaller Tiltall Junior (silver) for my father as a gift last year and was satisfied with the construction. I have used ancient Tiltall tripods that featured brass leg-locking bushings and owned a somewhat newer Tiltall (purchased circa 1982) that employed plastic locking bushings. The black coating of the legs combined with plastic lock bushings of my 1982 tripod contributed to a stick/slip problem. In addition to the friction problem, the black powder coating was applied unevenly with more of it near the top of the legs. It meant that the leg was not the same diameter throughout its length and that caused extension difficulties. You'd loosen the locking collar so the leg was free, extend it but it would grab because the leg diameter would change. That combined with the plastic/coating stiction, the legs were miserable to adjust. I sanded and cross-hatched the powder coating at the top of the leg to match the diameter of the bottom and improve the action somewhat, but it was never as good as the old silver one I used at work. If you want to see the plastic bushing and leg on my 1982 Tiltall, I've put a picture on my web site at: http://www-schneider.viscom.ohiou.edu/vico222/images/tiltall_bushing.jpg I still use my Tiltall tripod, but not for photography. I now have a Gitzo 320 for small and medium format work. When I ordered the new Tiltall last year for my father I specifically ordered silver. It was an improvement over mine, and it still has the clever Tiltall pan-tilt head. I still want another Tiltall someday to put through the paces, but it will be a silver one like the original. Bill Schneider


Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 From: Leonard Evens len@math.northwestern.edu Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: Newer Tiltall Tripods PGG wrote: > Has anybody purchased or seen the new Tiltall tripods available for sale > from B&H; and Adorama? These are 6lbs in weight and have a capacity of 13 > lbs. Price is only $99. > > Are they nearly the same as those manufactured 30 years ago (which I read > great things about)? > > I'm looking for a tripod to hold my 10-pound 4x5 camera and this seems > like a good deal compared to the Bogen/Manfrotto offerings. > > --pgg From the small picture at Adorama, it looks exactly like my old Tiltall from the late 60s, and the weight seems to be the same. So I suspect it is essentially the same tripod. But I have doubts about whether or not my Tiltall can hold a 10 pound view camera. I use it with a Toho FC-45X, which with lens is at most 4 pounds. It is stable enough on the Tiltall, but I am not sure it would be with more than double the weight. Keep in mind also that with the bellows fully extended with a long lens, you have to worry about the torque. Personally, I would want the capacity of the tripod to have a considerable safety margin built in relative to the camera I was mounting on it.


From: wsb wsb@nospam.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: 'cool' temperature lights Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 RSD99 wrote: > The only bulbs on that page that seem to meet the criteria are > http://www.goodmart.com/products/74194.htm > Color Temp = 5100 deg K > CRI = 84 > Initial Lumens at 25C=1200 > > http://www.goodmart.com/products/213696.htm > Color Temp = 5100 deg K > CRI = 84 > Lumens=1,200 > > http://www.goodmart.com/products/213709.htm > Color Temp = 5100 deg K > CRI = 84 > Lumens: 1,020 > > All have an internal ballast, frequency of 45 kHz. > > The CRI of 84 is a bit *low* for photographic work, and at a price of $20 to $25 each, > they are just a bit costly ... particularly since you will need to set up somewhere > between 8 and 32 of them in an array. I agree. Just do a search on similar terms and you'll find many companies sell natural light fluorescent bulbs. Lowest cost ones I recall were in the $15-20 on the various websites I found. With 8 bulbs, it would be 160w, or roughly 500w standard lighting. 32 bulbs would be 640w or roughly 2000w standard lighting. You want 32 bulbs in a single fixture?? As far as price, go to B&H; and price the fluorescent systems there to see why people are off trying to build their own. They should last 10K hours or more though so you amortize the cost over a long time. One problem you run into is how to control the light if you make your own setup. Wes > "wsb" wsb@nospam.com wrote >>Use high frequency ballasts if you're going to try that. >>Standard ballasts are 60Hz. The high frequency ones are >>something like 30-40Khz. Same tubes work for both ballasts. >> >>The problem is how to control/position a bank of lights. >>Take a look at: >>http://www.goodmart.com/products/bulb_compact_fluorescent_screw_in_base_dimmable.htm >> >>They have HF dimmable, various color temp screw-in bulbs.The max >>bulb is 20 watt but they are much smaller than a shoplight. Four >>bulbs would be 80watt. Also would give you more adjustable light >>levels. I'd estimate 80 watt fluorescent is about 240watt standard >>bulbs. >> >>Wes >> >>Tsotsi wrote: >> >>>I just bought a bunch of 48 inch "shoplights" from the hardware store - the >>>units are all wired up and ready to plug in. A bank of 10 units would give a >>>4 foot x 4 foot light bank - all connected to a good power bar. With 2 tubes >>>in each unit at 40W per tube = 80W, 10 units would draw 800watts which >>>should be ok for a household circuit. I found Philips "natural sunshine" 48 >>>inch tubes rated at 5000K and 92 CRI. What do you all think of this plan? >>> >>>-- >>>xx >>>"Bandicoot" "insert_handle_here"@techemail.com wrote >>>>"Tsotsi" anyone_at_all@anywhere_at_all.com wrote >>>>>I need to buy or make some cool lights (as close to daylight/5500K) as I can >>>>get, & that are a reasonable weight, are portable, and give a decent amount >>>>>of f-stop/shutter speed - I cannot use flash/strobe and tungsten/halogen >>>>>lights are too hot. Lowell make a unit called Scandles but it's only 200w >>>>>and I am sure you cant get much of an exposure from them. Can anyone >>>share their experience? >>>>>thanks >>>>>Frank >>>> >>>>HMI is one solution, the one the movies use. Expensive, and you need a >>>>ballast as well as the lamphead, but it is reasonably portable. The >>>flicker rate is extremely high, making any flicker virtually non-existent when >>>>compared to tungssten lamps, which makes it much better for use with >>>>scanning digital backs. It is also almost a point source, so can give >>> very hard light if yo want it, or be modified as appropriate. >>>> >>>>There are several makes, but the only one I'm familiar with is the >>>>Elinchrom: this has a colour temperature of 5,800K. It is a 575W lamp, >>>but be aware that HMI is much more efficient than tungsten, so it is a lot >>>>brighter than a 575W tungsten lamp or photoflood would be: the Elinchrom >>>>produces 14,000 Lux, whihc is about the same as a 2,000W tungsten halogen >>>>lamp. The Elinchrom takes all the same reflectors, softboxes, snoots, >>>>fresnels and whatever else as their flash heads do. >>>> >>>>MSR and CID lamps are more or less similar technology to HMI, but I really >>>>don't know anything about these types. >>>> >>>>Photographic flourescents are the other option. These have a very near >>>>daylight 'temperature' (in inverted commas because flourescent doesn't >>>>behave like a black-body source, so strictly it doesn't have a colour >>>>temperature). However, because the peaks and troughs in their emission >>>are rather different to other sources, they tend not to appear quite the same >>>on different films - not a massive difference but enough to merit some >>>testing before investing a lot of time or money. >>>>KinoFlo are the best known manufacturer of these types of lights. They >>>tend to be large, and linear, of course, because of the shape of the tubes. >>> >>>This makes for a large light source, but the light is not as soft as the size >>>>alone would suggest - it seems quite attractive when I've seen other people >>>>use it, though I haven't done so myself. Popular with fashion photographers. >>>> >>>>Power is lower than HMI sources, but even so be aware that flourescents are >>>>far more efficient than tungsten lights, and so a direct Watt for Watt >>>>comparison is extremely misleading. Thus the Scandles you mention are going >>> >>>>to be 'worth' a lot more in light output than that 200W power consumption >>>>suggests if you are comparing them to a tungsten lamp - you could ask the >>>>manufacturer for a Lux value. >>>> >>>>HMI is much cooler running than a tungsten halogen of equivalent brightness, >>>>but obviously flourescents are much cooler still, hence their other group of >>>>fans: food photographers. >>>> >>>>A lot of people hire both these types of light rather than owning them >>>>outright so you could always do a day's hire and take some light readings >>> >>>>shoot some test shots before committing to a purchase. >>>> >>>>Hope that's a bit of help, >>>>Peter


From: wsb wsb@nospam.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: 'cool' temperature lights Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 Tsotsi wrote: > the ballasts in the 'shoplite' units are 60mhz - what is the result or > negative effect of using these vs the high frequency 30-40khz ballasts you > wrote about - does it have to do with flicker or col or....? Don't know of any ballast rated at 60mhz. The standard ones are 60Hz. Basically, fluorescent bulbs flicker at the given frequency.That will effect what shutter speed you can use. By using a high frequency electronic ballast, you can pretty much use any shutter speed, within reason.If your shutter speed is too high, you get into timing problems and exposures can vary from exposure to exposure depending on the number of flickers your image records. As another post mentioned, the CRI is a little low. Your shoplite bulb CRI is better. There are compact fluorescents that go to the low 90's for a CRI.I haven't tried this arrangement but have been looking into it as you are now. If you want to still use a shoplite with HF ballast, the best bulb I've seen specs on is the Triten 950 for 5000K lights. For your current setup, I'd say the ballasts will be a problem if they're not HF. Wes >>Use high frequency ballasts if you're going to try that. >>Standard ballasts are 60Hz. The high frequency ones are >>something like 30-40Khz. Same tubes work for both ballasts. >> >>The problem is how to control/position a bank of lights. >> >>Take a look at: > http://www.goodmart.com/products/bulb_compact_fluorescent_screw_in_base_dimmable.htm > >>They have HF dimmable, various color temp screw-in bulbs.The max >>bulb is 20 watt but they are much smaller than a shoplight. Four >>bulbs would be 80watt. Also would give you more adjustable light >>levels. I'd estimate 80 watt fluorescent is about 240watt standard bulbs. >>Wes >> >>Tsotsi wrote: >>>I just bought a bunch of 48 inch "shoplights" from the hardware store - the >>>units are all wired up and ready to plug in. A bank of 10 units would give a >>>4 foot x 4 foot light bank - all connected to a good power bar. With 2 tubes >>>in each unit at 40W per tube = 80W, 10 units would draw 800watts which >>>should be ok for a household circuit. I found Philips "natural sunshine" 48 >>>inch tubes rated at 5000K and 92 CRI. What do you all think of this plan? >>>--


From: wsb wsb@nospam.com Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format Subject: Re: 'cool' temperature lights Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 Use high frequency ballasts if you're going to try that. Standard ballasts are 60Hz. The high frequency ones are something like 30-40Khz. Same tubes work for both ballasts. The problem is how to control/position a bank of lights. Take a look at: http://www.goodmart.com/products/bulb_compact_fluorescent_screw_in_base_dimmable.htm They have HF dimmable, various color temp screw-in bulbs.The max bulb is 20 watt but they are much smaller than a shoplight. Four bulbs would be 80watt. Also would give you more adjustable light levels. I'd estimate 80 watt fluorescent is about 240watt standard bulbs. Wes ...


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