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Gorobay
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On some of the new stained glass in the neighborhoods, it says "regahro zeero" (in D'ni letters). Since the adjective comes after the noun in D'ni, isn't this wrong? Even if there is an exception I'm not aware of, isn't it just "rezeero" in D'ni? I submitted a ticket about this.
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Talashar
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There is Regahro Tiwah, but yeah, Regahro Zeero is a mixing of two different terms. Isn't that glass explorer-designed?
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dis iz nat D'nE Talashargeltahn in Uru KI#00378324
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Gorobay
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It's explorer-designed, but it still annoys me.
Also, what is the rule that says it's regahro tiwah instead of retiwah gahro? Is it an exception specific to those two words, or the adjective gahro; or is it a mistake? Keep in mind that Esher said it, and he's the same guy who said D'khnee.
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Owehn
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Yeah, but you'd think speech impediments wouldn't get in the way of fundamental d'ni grammar... I have a feeling it's more along the lines of reh + gahro-tiwah, but that's for another thread.
Anyway, you're right: there's no known rule that would push the gahro around to the front of zeero, and I would have felt safer with gahro being after. However, these were explorer-submitted designs, so I doubt they would be changed by development.
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.repråD Kenen nar .reDOha pråDtEgal Kenen Sin b'harten ga b'foles
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Gorobay
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QUOTE (Owehn) | I have a feeling it's more along the lines of reh + gahro-tiwah, but that's for another thread. |
How about this one? In it we're discussing how compounds were made so that is a good thread to discuss the possibilities of gahrotiwah.
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BladeLakem
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The way gahro gets placed before the noun, or first in a compound, instead of after the noun like everything else reminds me of the use of grande/gran in Spanish. grande gets shortened to gran and placed before the noun it describes to give a different meaning (i.e. great as in grand, not great as in huge) I found a link talking about that difference in word order in Spanish: http://spanish.about.com/library/beginning...-word_order.htm
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khrees
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There are some other examples besides gahr(o) of what appears to be an adjective, which would in an ordinary phrase come after the noun it modifies, but comes first in a compound:
bivdil = 'everything'.
fahsee = '25' breesee = '50' sensee = '75' ... fahrah = '625' breerah = '1250' ... ...
Also comparable to bivdil we have rildil 'nothing', although in this case the modifier ril usually comes before what it modifies in ordinary phrases as well.
Also a speculative example would be prorahn which looks like it might be a compound of pr(in) + (go)rahn = 'small unit of time'.
What these suggest to me is that adjectives that are thought of as essentially quantifiers are placed before the noun when forming a compound; though in an ordinary phrase they follow the noun as usual with attributive adjectives.
In terms of the mathematical parallel with the number words, we can take as typical a compound like:
breeseetor '54' = '2*25+4'.
The component that comes before the head is (metaphorically) about 'how much' or 'how many', while the component that comes after the head is (again metaphorically) thought of as some addition, i.e. a feature that is present in this compound as an instance of the more general head noun.
Quantifiers like garo and prin are non-specific numbers but imply something like "multiply the ordinary example by a number greater/less than one."
Notice how the articles re 'the' and erth 'a, an' also fit in here as variations on the number fah 'one'; though they never occur in the position following the head.
Shorah, Khrees
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BladeLakem
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QUOTE (khrees @ November 14, 2007 10:08 pm) | Quantifiers like garo and prin are non-specific numbers but imply something like "multiply the ordinary example by a number greater/less than one."
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It makes sense in a way that garo and prin would be thought of as a quantity in D'ni. The b'+number constructions already set up a precedent of using numbers to imply concepts that may not be directly related to numbers.
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QUOTE | Phonetic: re-zee-ro D'nifont: <rezEro>
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Phonetic: re-gah-ro zee-ro D'nifont: <regaro zEro>
Hope that helps,
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My theory is that adjectives work differently with proper nouns, but I guess that's a bit of a stretch, considering there's only regahro tiwah and regahro zeero so far. Edit: Er, I thought I originally mentioned where I got that quote. I need some more caffeine. Anyway, it was in response to an email I sent a while back, asking what the D'ni called the Great Zero ( rezeero or reroon gahro/ regahro roon). I wasn't really expecting regahro zeero as an option.
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