Ted
V. Mikels is a true cinema maverick, having independently written,
directed, and produced numerous films over the past 50-odd years.
With colorful titles like The
Corpse Grinders, Astro
Zombies, The
Doll Squad and Blood
Orgy of the She-Devils, Mikels has become one of the most
well-known and best-loved auteurs in the world of low-budget cinema.
Ryan-O had a few words with
the gracious Mr. Mikels during the recent Shock-o-Rama-a-Go-Go
film festival in Hollywood.
Unitshifter:
How did you first get involved in filmmaking?
Ted
V. Mikels: When I was a little kid I used to develop film in
the bathtub. I used to put developer in little glass vials, and
I made a little flash box to expose the case of Kodak paper negatives
that I developed, and that's how I started. I was still in grade
school.
When
I was in the eighth grade, I was awarded a part in a film that was
to be done with Merle Oberon and William Powell. That was just at
the start of the war, and I was selected out of 300 kids to play
the boy. The war interrupted the production, and it never did get
off the ground. But I was doing magic, ventriloquism, acrobatics,
accordion solos, and I had a show. By the time I was fifteen, I
had a two-and-a-half-hour live stage show. I wanted to film it,
so I got a camera and set it out there, and was trying to film my
show, and I figured out that you have to move the camera around
to get different angles, and then you have to edit the film when
you're done. So that's how I got started, and I've been doing it
for well over fifty years. 55, 57 years I've been making theatrical
films.
U:
So did you start out directing, or did you work your way up?
T:
Well, actually it was directing first, and then I realized that
in order to get the shots I wanted, I had to be a cameraman, so
I could clearly explain what it is that I wanted. I was never really
happy, so I actually started out writing, directing, shooting, and
editing all at the same time.
U:
Have you always worked mainly as an independent filmmaker?
T:
Always as an independent. I've done a lot of things for other people,
but not the major studios. You've gotta have an 'in.' I was at Columbia
pictures studios for a couple of years, and Samuel Goldwyn studios
for three or four years, Universal studios
but they basically
are rental houses. They're renting their facility. I had beautiful
offices at Columbia and Goldwyn, but they don't finance it. So I've
always been self-financed. I had to dig up a buck any way I could.
U:
Would you describe most of your films as exploitation films, or
do you not like that term?
T:
Actually, It's a better name than some of the things they call 'em
The
only difference between my movies and the big budget movies are
the stars, because that's where the money is spent. Film costs the
same, my raw stock for Girl
in the Gold Boots or Doll Squad or any of my movies,
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Violent Women
the raw stock is the same, the developing
is the same, the one light answer printing is the same. So what
is the big difference? The size of your crew, and the amount of
money you pay your stars. That's the biggest difference. People
used to say to me, "can't you add 25 thousand to a 400 thousand
dollar budget and get a star?" No. Any time you bring in someone
who's known, you gotta double your budget. You need special makeup
people, special everything to accommodate those people. And that's
for an inexpensive star. Now, things have gone completely insane.
Millions of dollars for a star, sometimes the movie flops even though
it is a star. If the movie doesn't cut it--in and of itself--the
star isn't gonna help it. The movie has to stand on its own, story
wise, and the way it's put together, edited
it's structure
has to be something that the people who are coming to see it want
to see. You can't just throw anything at them.
U:
Were you interested in getting into horror movies from the beginning?
T:
No, not really at all. My first one was an outdoor action adventure,
Strike
Me Deadly. I spent ten years making little things, but none
of them were horror. It wasn't until 1967 with Wayne Rogers that
I did my Astro Zombies, which I had intended to be pure science
fiction. Wayne wanted to make it into a campy horror, so that's
what it became. Then I found out that Hollywood was more receptive
to independently made horror films than they were independently
made other films! So you get stuck.
U:
Did the drive-in market help you?
T:
The drive-in market was a godsend for us. With the demise of the
drive-in market began the demise of the independent moviemaker.
We had drive-ins that did as much as $40,000 with fifty cent and
one dollar per car tickets. But all that's changed. The drive-in
owners found they could sell their property for more money than
they could make with the drive-in theater!
U:
Are you making any films now?
T:
Yes, I'm gonna start marketing now. The last five years I've
made five films nonstop, including Corpse
Grinders 2 and Mark of the Astro-Zombies. Right now
I'm doing The Cauldron: Baptism of Blood. I'm editing that
now, because witchcraft is interesting. It's the sequel to my 1973
Blood Orgy of the She Devils. That's for some of the people
who
I very warmly accept the fact that they call themselves
"fans"
they were urging me to do a witchcraft picture,
a sequel to Blood Orgy. So I did.
U:
Is it mainly going to be marketed direct-to-DVD?
T:
There's not much else for independents. What else can you do? The
European markets want big movies with big stars, the domestic theatrical
market is gone. You don't stand a chance if you don't have a 100
million dollar movie with another million to promote it and get
the majors behind you. You don't stand a chance. I made these last
five with the hopes and the prayer that I would go theatrical with
them, but it's too tough. And now everyone in the world is making
their own movie. It's like, if everyone grows potatoes, who you
gonna sell yours to?
But
after this last one, I'm gonna go back into distribution. I was
in distribution here in Hollywood for seventeen years. I'm gonna
go back into distribution, and market my stuff. My old stuff is
still playing all around the world, illegally. People are using
my films in the home video market all around the world. They don't
have the right to do it, the films are copyrighted by me and I own
'em. But you can't collect, and you can't stop 'em. How am I gonna
go to Sweden and stop someone from bootlegging some of my movies?
(At
this point the conversation is interrupted by a drunk guy screaming
out on Hollywood Blvd.)
U:
Do you live in Hollywood?
T:
I was thirty years living in Hollywood, I moved out to Vegas fifteen
years ago. I have a studio right across from Mandalay Bay, loaded
with every possible camera, everything I brought from Hollywood,
and everything I've added since I've been there. I make my movies
there, where you have a lot of sun.
U:
Is it easier for you to work in Vegas than it is for you to work
here?
T:
I get tired of working in Hollywood. All the little outlying areas
started charging humungous amounts of money to shoot in their little
cities and so on. We got turned away or stopped enough times for
me to get totally discouraged, even in my castle in Glendale. The
city tried to stop me from shooting in my own home. And that's when
I decided, "enough of that." They're not gonna force me
to get firemen and policemen and all that, in my own home.
U:
You own a castle?
T:
I had a castle in Glendale for fourteen years. There's a documentary
available called King of the Castle, which ran on the Discovery
Channel for three years. I had a lively thing going on there. Six
or eight girls at a time, about 60 girls, I taught 'em how to make
movies, how to become wardrobe people, make-up girls
U:
So you had your own harem?
T:
Oh yeah
if you don't know the story, you'll have to look it
up!
U:
Alright, I'll do some research on that!
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