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God and economics

Thursday September 18, 2008

Is there a 'spiritual' way do approach economics? I believe the answer is yes. And I believe that the election in a few weeks in the United States will tell us where the spiritual values of America are.

Last week we talked about the two candidates and health care. This week, let's look at the economy and the two presidential candidates.

I was reading The Progress Report, on online newsletter written by Faiz Shakir, Amanda Terkel, Satyam Khanna, Matt Corley, Benjamin Armbruster, Ali Frick, and Ryan Powers the other day. It offered a remarkably informative look at the economics of John McCain.

"Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has spent much of his general election campaign for president trying to distance himself from President Bush's failed policies -- even though the policies he has outlined and would pursue as president mirror those of the last eight year," the Report said.

"McCain's strategy so far has been to make the public forget he is offering Bush's policies. During the Republican National Convention earlier this month, McCain and his fellow conservatives seemingly refused to acknowledge that the current administration even exists: Bush's name was mentioned once while Vice President Dick Cheney's name was not mentioned at all.," the Report went on.

I was shocked to learn this. I knew that Bush/Cheney were not very popular, but to be shunned by their own party like this....wow.

The Progress Report went on to say that Convention speakers also ignored many key issues that face Americans today, such as health care, environment, and the economy." Yet at times, McCain's surrogates will let the truth slip out," the Report said.

"In June, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) admitted that McCain's economic policies would 'absolutely' be an 'enhancement' of Bush's."

Now that the country is darn near collapsing because of the financial crisis there are not many McCain supporters who want to be reminded that Sen.Lindsey said that.

The Progress Report said that Sen. Lindsey was right. "McCain's economic policies are rooted in the same supply-side economic theories that give huge tax cuts to the rich and the most profitable corporations, which will ultimately expand the already ballooning federal deficit. Indeed, as New York Times columnist and Princeton University economics professor Paul Krugman noted, McCain's economic proposals are "Bush made permanent," the Report went on.

Who will benefit from all this? Well, says The Progress Report, "The wealthy will cash in. If elected president, McCain plans to double down on Bush's corporate and individual tax cuts. His plan calls for reducing the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent, a plan that would save corporations $175 billion per year, with $45 billion going to America's 200 largest companies as identified by Fortune Magazine. The five largest U.S. oil companies would save a grand total of $3.8 billion per year.

"The wealthiest Americans would also cash in," the Report wen on. "McCain's tax plan will increase after-tax income of the richest 3.4 percent by more than twice the average for all households -- and offer no benefit to the poorest taxpayers and minimal savings for the middle class."

At the same time, McCain has not offered any specifics on how he would pay for these massive cuts. In fact, McCain's plan would produce the highest federal deficit in 25 years. After inheriting Bush's $407 billion deficit, yearly deficits under McCain would increase sharply, beginning with at least $505 billion in FY2009.

So, my friends, what do you think? Is 'give more to the rich' the highest spiritual value, in your opinion? I know that John McCain means well. He simply uses the same supply-side economic model as George Bush. This is what we used to call "trickle down economics" -- the idea that as the rich get richer, the benefit trickles down to the rest of America, including the middle class and the poverty class.

This is the man who voted 90% of the time in support of whatever George Bush put before Congress during this term. Are we ready to give this philosophy one more term? Gee whiz, what will it take for some people to admit, we had it wrong; it's time for a change....?

Comments
Guernsey A. Pierre
September 21, 2008 12:00 PM

Hello CWG and Neale,

Thanks for making those CWG books, it really cnaged the way I look at things although sometimes I would often revert back to the truths that no longer serve me anymore especially when they have been ingrained in me from childhood but it is not impossible for me to change that thinking. I had already finished your trilogy and I am now reading your Q & A book (which is not actually Q & A book) but that is not point of my question. I would like to ask how can I apply the material of CWG to job seeking. I "know" that there is always enough of something so I will never be without money, I "know" that there is nothing I have to do since I am a human being, not a human doing and also We are all one. My parents have been pressuring me to get a job since I am considered the thing called "lazy" and it annoys them. I have been thinking about founding the job that I want but I know the the very act of wanting is what pushes it away however how can I apply the material I learned from CWG to job seeking? How can call forth the job even if I don't get the job the first time? And how can use CWG to the job that I have been seeking to find?

I know that I don't really have to get a job if I don't choose to but I prefer to have some money and I wish to call it forth to me so that I can "get" things the things that desire realizing that I had called it forth. I don't "want" to have to feel that I need a job in order to obtain something since that whole requirement thing is an illusion but how can work within the illusion to call forth the job I "need"? Is there any other material that you recommend to me to help me with this? How can I find peace in being thing called "lazy"? And also what can I say to this who are annoyed at me being the called "lazy" telling them that survival is guaranteed and that even if I am the thing called "lazy"?

Russ
September 21, 2008 1:08 PM

Palin doesn't scare me...Ignorance and Propaganda scare me!

If we're going to compare voting records let's be fair and examine Obama's as well. I know that its the default assumption that Bush and the Republican Party are wrong on any and every given issue but just because Mccain voted with them 90% of the time (which is misleadding since the majority of those votes were mundane and unanimous votes)doesn't mean that those votes were wrong. Obam voted with his party 97% of the time. The fact is that McCain has shown himself to be independent and is by far the most moderate and bipartisan candidate to be on the ticket in many years.

Really guys, its impossible to think that someone with little to no executive experience and only a scant more legislative experience is going to be ready to be the leader of the free world. Obama is wonderful at platitudes but sadly lacking in the results department. Being president often means making tough, even unpopular, decisions and being resolute in the face of protest. Obama voted "present" over 130 in the state senate and has seveal time asked that the record show he had "mistakenly" voted the wrong way on key issues. Do you really want someone like that with the finger on the button?

But seriously, Obama is, by most estimates, the most liberal person in the Congress. And his running mate not much better. They have both shown themselves to unabashed socialists and redistributionists. Biden recently claimed that paying higher taxes was somehow the "patriotic" duty. I'm pretty sure that the founding fathers would be surprised to know that, seeing how they fought a little war for independence because they wanted to get out of paying. He said that it was time to help out, as if the "rich" were somehow not helping before. THat's just plain wrong. The top 20% percent of Americans pay more than 80% of the taxes. The bottom 40% often do not pay any. Who exactly needs to help more? Raising the taxes on the rich imits invesment, send America's wealth to overseas tax havens, and can lead to inflation and unemployment.

By the way , since 1843 its been Americans who thought they were paying too little have been able to freely give as much as they wanted in the form of gifts and donations. Why don't liberals who want higher taxes just send the IRS the difference between what they are forced to pay and what they want to pay. Both Obama and Biden, the champions of higher taxes for the good of humanity, have appalling records in charitible giving as evidenced by their tax returns. Obama says that his favorite Bible verse is,"in as much as you have done to the least of these my brothers, you have done it to me". If he really believed that then why does he think that why does he think it will take the entire legal and police arsenal of the United States government to get people to follow it. Come on guys, all government, even the big snuggly teddy Bear king envisioned by Obama, is violence and taxes are theft, don't be fooled. That teddy bear is backing an oozie, folks

Last point: am I the only person who finds it completely laughable that Obama consulted thrity of his economic advisors and yet had nothing to say about Bush's plan to fix the current financial crisis. Perhaps that's above his paygrade too. Does he actually agree with Bush? Sounds like four more years of the last eight years....
-Russ

Anonymous
September 21, 2008 4:15 PM

How about this: Lets not "give" anybody's money, which has been collected through the coersion and extortion of taxation, too anybody else rich or poor.How about we leave people to do with their money what they please. After all, they earned it. Its their's. I do great things with my money. Ihelp pay the salaries and wages of the people I do business with. I give monthly donations to charities. I give change to people on the street. I invest in my home and property which in turn raises the value of the property of my neighbors and lastly, I put money into my checking and saving accounts which allows banks to in turn loan that money to others.

Other than paying for pet projects, failed government programs, and their own salaries...what exactly does the government do with the money and how is it better than how I spendit?

Another thing, why should i give money to a bankrupt intitution that refuses to get its finances in order. We have an over $9trillion debt that neither of the two major candidates are even talking about. You want to be kind, then stop talking about taxes. Taxes are about the most unkind and ungodly things ever invented. Vive liberty!!!
-Russ

Anonymous
September 21, 2008 4:20 PM

"The power to tax is the power to destroy"

"The government that's big enough to give everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have."

food for thought...

1st Samuel, chapter 8

-Russ

susan
September 21, 2008 6:54 PM

that's true Russ and they do.....

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