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Sompeetalay
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 02:06 PM

I don't know anymore if this have been proved anywhere, but is it official that Antilles is the family name of Queen Breha? I have even seen Bail Antilles being named as her father, but I don't remember reading anything about that? What is the exact relation between Raymus Antilles & Queen Breha?

Perhaps it was explained in the Complete Visual Dictionary?
ulic_g99
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 03:03 PM

Sorry Tasty, a rather long and boring question about continuity, canon and the Holocron…

Much earlier this year, I participated in a debate in the Can We Get "The Canon Argument" Out of the Way Now... thread on this board and had a long discussion with another poster on the canonicity of the EU.

The poster had argued that based on George Lucas’s quotes in Cinescape in July 2002 and in Starlog in August 2005, where he mentions the films and the EU and films being “two separate worlds” and the EU being a “parallel universe”, that there are officially two different Star Wars universes or continuities:
(cont’d)
ulic_g99
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 03:06 PM

- George Lucas’ Star Wars universe, which is the ‘real’ Star Wars universe, consisting of the 6 Star Wars movies and only those films; the stories set out in the EU do not happen, nor are a part of that universe or story.
- The Expanded Universe’s Star Wars universe, which is not the same as the ‘real’ Star Wars universe, but is it’s own spin-off universe based on it; it does not reflect George Lucas’ vision of the story of what ‘really happens’ in Star Wars.

When I mentioned your statements about the different canonicity levels in Star Wars, he argued that they were only applicable to the EU Star Wars universe, and didn’t apply to George Lucas’ Star Wars universe. Further more he posited that since Lucas Licensing and LucasFilm Ltd are separate entities, that the statements of Lucas Licensing employees do not and cannot override George Lucas’ quotes, or the quotes of LucasFilm Ltd employees, since Lucas Licensing cannot know or comment accurately about the policies of LFL.
ulic_g99
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 03:07 PM

I on the other hand argued that there was only one official Star Wars universe or continuity, which is made up of both the Star Wars films and the EU and contains materials of different levels of canonicity as described in your blog. I contended that the quotes of Lucas where he mentions “two worlds” were not supposed to be taken literally; he was describing how his work on the films was ‘his world’ and he didn’t get involved in the EU which was ‘a separate world’.

Additionally, I argued that LucasFilm Ltd and Lucas Licensing, being divisions of the same company, worked together closely and thus each division was aware of and could comment with accuracy on the policies of the other.

I was wondering which of our arguments were correct? Or are we both off the mark in some way? Many thanks!
Darth Feroci
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 04:19 PM

How much of the continuity do you write or rewrite?
Senator Kuralyov
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Date Posted: Nov 28, 2006 06:26 PM

Is Red-Eye Baldarek from Planet Hoppers the Chiss bartender from Jedi Outcast? And is either one the Chiss seen in the bar in Jedi Academy?
General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Nov 29, 2006 05:18 PM
This message was edited by General Grievous' Bodyguard on Nov 29, 2006 05:26 PM

Did General Grievous kill the Iron Knight Firkrann on Xagobah during the First or Second Battle of Xagobah or during neither battles?
Drayz
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Date Posted: Nov 29, 2006 05:22 PM

I have a question that brought about a small dispute regarding the Episode III Revenge of the Sith video game. Is it as a whole considered non-canon? Or are just the parts that bring about a contradiction to the films (ending, some duels, etc.) considered non-canon?
Tramp the wanderer
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Date Posted: Nov 29, 2006 07:48 PM

Only the parts that contradict the film, or are thee strictly for game play purposes would be considered non-canon.
Rancor_Orga
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Date Posted: Nov 30, 2006 07:33 PM

Are the pictures of http://www.starwars.jp/ real? Is it an official website? If so, would'nt that make Tarpals first name Roos?
Sompeetalay
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Date Posted: Dec 01, 2006 11:42 AM

It's not an official site, but it does have a lot of pictures & info. Last time I asked Mr. Chee about Roos, he said it wasn't official.
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Date Posted: Dec 01, 2006 01:01 PM

Tasty,

Was Eriadu ever part of Grand Moff Kaine's Pentastar Alignment, and if so then A) was it absorbed into the Imperial Remnant when Pellaeon took control of the Alignment's holdings, and B) roughly when did it become a member of the New Republic?

Also, when did Jabiim finally gain independence from Imperial control?

If you could answer either of these two questions for me, it would be much appreciated.
Rancor_Orga
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Date Posted: Dec 01, 2006 06:42 PM

Thanx Sompeetalay. Its hard to tell if its an official site since its in another language.
Darth Culator
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Date Posted: Dec 02, 2006 01:46 PM

Has anything official been published on the nature of hypermatter aside from the tidbits in the ICS books? Based on some rough calculations, it seems to contain about a million times more energy than matter/antimatter, but nothing official explictly confirms or denies this.
Drayz
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Date Posted: Dec 02, 2006 03:18 PM

What exactly are the fight scenes in the movie novelizations considered in terms of canon?

Are the entire fight descriptions considered "N"-canon, because there's some parts that contradict what we've seen in the movie (for example, in the TPM novel Darth Maul backflips over the melting pit when dueling Qui-Gon Jinn), so in essence, it seems to break the chain? Or are just those parts that don't happen counted as "N"-canon, yet things shown in the movie or just elaborated upon in the novel considered to fit into continuity, and are thus "C" (or maybe "G") canon?
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