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Nebaris
Total Posts: 58
Member Since: 12/06

Date Posted: Dec 04, 2006 06:22 AM

This message was edited by Nebaris on Dec 04, 2006 06:37 AM

It's funny, I was having this discussion at another forum I used to go to.
The way I see it, every action inside the fightscene result into another, thus every action is dependant on the one just before it. So the fact that there are aspects of the fightscenes which aren't in the movies, and therefor uncanonical, renders the entire fightscene invalid, as it would create a chain reaction where every action that takes place after the said action which was taken out (due to it contradicting the movie) is altered, thus altering the eventual result of the fight. In other words, the entire fightscene is a direct contradiction to the movie, correct?

Nebaris
Total Posts: 58
Member Since: 12/06

Date Posted: Dec 04, 2006 06:29 AM

Also 2 questions for Mister Leland Chan :

1. Wouldn't the fact that the novels contradict the movies on so many different occasions render them invalid? I mean, how can you consider them credible when they are a secondary piece of source material, that constantly disputes what happens in the primary piece of source material?

Nebaris
Total Posts: 58
Member Since: 12/06

Date Posted: Dec 04, 2006 06:36 AM

2. In the RotS novel, in CH20, when the passage reads:
'Finally, he saw the truth.
This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatinglypowerful foe the darkness had ever known...just—didn't—haveit.',
is this the omniscient narrator directly stating that Yoda is 'the fiercest, most implacable....' from the perspective of outside the piece of fiction, or is it Yoda coming to realise the 'truth', in other words the belief of an in-fiction character who's word isn't infallible?

		vader_of_bast Total Posts: 53 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Dec 05, 2006 02:07 PM

Does or does not canon assume that videogame levels are completed on first try?

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1390 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 11:04 AM

Thanks for the reply...though I actually need Chee to tell me. I'm working on the Watto article on Wookieepedia, so I need an official source to cite. I've always assumed it was Watto, but I need the official word.
It certainly could be Watto. It most likely is Watto. But still, we like to keep our options open with these types of vague references.

What is the exact relation between Raymus Antilles & Queen Breha?
Hasn't been determined.

a rather long and boring question about continuity, canon and the Holocron…
The only relevant official continuities are the current versions of the films alone, and the combined current version of the films along with whatever else we've got in the Holocron. You're never going to know what George's view of the universe beyond the films at any given time because it is constantly evolving. It remains elastic until it gets committed to film or another official source. Even then, we know there's always room for change. Though the Holocron is maintained by Licensing, it is utilized by folks throughout all the Lucas companies.

How much of the continuity do you write or rewrite?
Authors and editors often ask for suggestions on an existing planet, species, or character to use or to see what can and can't be done with a certain character. When going through approvals, I'll make small changes as necessary to make things fits within continuity. I'm often asked to be involved in the early concept discussions for new stories. When continuity conflicts arise, I may make note of the issue in Holocron and come up with a couple of potential explanations which may or may not be considered in the future. Sometimes we'll create names as needed. Beyond that, we leave the actual writing to the authors.

s Red-Eye Baldarek from Planet Hoppers the Chiss bartender from Jedi Outcast?
Certainly a logical assumption, and more likely than not the author's intent. But since I don't have it in my notes that they are indeed the same, I go the vague route.

Did General Grievous kill the Iron Knight Firkrann on Xagobah during the First or Second Battle of Xagobah or during neither battles?
The Holocron does not distinguish between two different battles at Xagobah.

Was Eriadu ever part of Grand Moff Kaine's Pentastar Alignment
Not to my knowledge.

when did Jabiim finally gain independence from Imperial control?
Undetermined.

Has anything official been published on the nature of hypermatter
No.

What exactly are the fight scenes in the movie novelizations considered in terms of canon?
What we see in the films is the canon version of events. All other versions are developed specifically for their respective medium.

Wouldn't the fact that the novels contradict the movies on so many different occasions render them invalid?
Are you talking the novels as a whole? No. Contradictions are always dealt with case-by-case.

Does or does not canon assume that videogame levels are completed on first try?
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't.

		ulic_g99 Total Posts: 702 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 12:22 PM

Thanks for answering my question, Tasty! Looks like I was wrong about there only being one Star Wars continuity.

A follow up question - of the two official continuities (the films alone continuity and the films + EU continuity), is one more 'official' than the other; which is the 'true' Star Wars universe? Also, do they share the same history, or are the events of one supposed to be different to the events of the other? For example, the age old question of did Boba Fett die in the Sarlacc pit - in the flims + EU continuity he survives, but in the films alone continuity we don't know if he does or not. Does this mean that it's possible that he died in one Star Wars universe (the films alone), but survived in the other (the films + EU)? Many thanks!

General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 02:06 PM

This message was edited by General Grievous' Bodyguard on Dec 06, 2006 02:07 PM

The Holocron does not distinguish between two different battles at Xagobah.

In Star Wars Insider's 70's Holonet News it says Xagobah falls to Separatist Forces, and then there's the battle in Boba Fett: A New Threat.

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1390 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 04:23 PM

A follow up question - of the two official continuities (the films alone continuity and the films + EU continuity), is one more 'official' than the other; which is the 'true' Star Wars universe?
You're asking the Keeper of the Holocron, so of course I'm gonna be a bit biased. The "film purists" aren't the types to be hanging out on the boards so it's unlikely you'll hear much official rebuttal around these parts. With that said, the reality is that a huge number of people who have seen all 6 Star Wars films have never played a Star Wars game, visited a Star Wars website, watched a Star Wars television program, read a Star Wars publication, or purchased a Star Wars action figure or collectible. It would be great disservice to discount these people as fans.

		the fragrant wookiee Member Profile Total Posts: 1236 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 05:02 PM

In Star Wars Insider's 70's Holonet News it says Xagobah falls to Separatist Forces, and then there's the battle in Boba Fett: A New Threat.

Don't know what the article says, but 'falling to the Separatists' doesn't necesarily suggest a battle. Some planets may have surrendered without a fight. Others may have resisted, but not on a scale to be worth refering to as a full-scale batte.

Leland (hi there!), a quick and probably common question about the canon of the computer games...
Obviously, sometimes the gameplay necesitates things that might seem out of place somehow. How are these things viewed in terms of the official continuity?
I was thinking of the old (old!) game 'Rebel Assault' (but it applies to other games too). I mean, in the game Rookie One blows up the Death Star.
Is it canon right up until that point, or does it make the whole level (possibly even the whole game) of questionable canon-standing?

		the fragrant wookiee Member Profile Total Posts: 1236 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 05:12 PM

COLUMBO: Just one more thing...

This is a little abstract, but are images considered canon?

Obviously in, say, the comics there's gonna be some variation in the look of things, but if a character, for instance, is shown with blond hair, does that mean that the character is blond in the official canon?

The reason for this question was that a while ago I was participating in a discussion about why the comics written before Ep II had mutlicoloured lightsabers and the ones after had only blue and green (and one purple).
Now, I've got some and heard some theories on the in-continuity reason for this, but someone suggested that the colours depicted in comics such as 'Jedi Council: Acts of War' shouldn't be considered official because continuity isn't applicable to colours.

So, if someone is shown in a canon comic with an orange lightsaber, does that mean that they officially owned an orange lightsaber at some point or is it simply artistic licence?

Senator Kuralyov
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Date Posted: Dec 06, 2006 10:25 PM

This message was edited by Senator Kuralyov on Dec 06, 2006 10:26 PM

Here's a charged question...

In Dark Empire, when Luke agrees to "take your father's place at my side," does that mean he's a Dark Lord of the Sith, just as Vader was to Palpatine?

Also, is "Supreme Military Executor" the same as the Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces, Supreme Commander of the Imperial Fleet, etc?

		ulic_g99 Total Posts: 702 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Dec 07, 2006 11:33 AM

This message was edited by ulic_g99 on Dec 07, 2006 11:34 AM

Thanks for such a quick reply Tasty! Last question about canon and continuity, promise...

On this site in August 2001, Steve Sansweet quoted Chris Cerasi about the canon policy. At one point, he mentions:

"The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them."

My question is this: with the two different Star Wars continuities of Film alone and Film+EU, is the 'foggy window' of the EU materials as described above referring to a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe of the Film alone continuity, the 'real' Star Wars universe of the Film+EU continuity, or does it mean something else which I'm not understanding properly? I'm assuming that the Holocron is only responsible for managing continuity within the Film+EU universe - is that correct? Many thanks!

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1390 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Dec 07, 2006 06:15 PM

I was thinking of the old (old!) game 'Rebel Assault'
The bit about A-wings being at the battle is a bit sketchy. We've never accounted for all 30 Rebel ships, so we haven't yet completely discounted it. Rookiee One's tench run in non-continuity. There was less attention to staying within continuity for some of the older games.

are images considered canon?
Yes. Blade colors were retconned after Ep I to keep in line with George's vision for Ep II. A character's hair color being blond or brown might just be artistic license, but for lightsabers, we pay careful attention to try to get it right.

In Dark Empire, when Luke agrees to "take your father's place at my side," does that mean he's a Dark Lord of the Sith, just as Vader was to Palpatine?
Both Luke and the Emperor are fully aware that Luke has not yet fully embraced the dark side. Luke doesn't do anything like kill someone close to him, so he never even gets a Darth name.

, is the 'foggy window' of the EU materials as described above referring to a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe of the Film alone continuity, the 'real' Star Wars universe of the Film+EU continuity,
Film+EU continuity. Anything not in the current version of the films is irrelevant to Film only continuity.

Violetlight
Total Posts: 1525
Member Since: 02/06

Date Posted: Dec 07, 2006 06:21 PM

Tasty, could you clear up a little misunderstanding we're having in the "Jagged Fel's New Job" thread?

Am I correct in saying that neither Jagged, nor any other Fel (as of the Legacy of the Force novels) have any Force ability whatsoever? People seem to have a hard time believing that someone with Jag or Soontir's level of skill could not be Force-sensitive.

Thanks!

Senator Kuralyov
Total Posts: 22
Member Since: 01/03

Date Posted: Dec 07, 2006 08:11 PM

On Byss, did Luke make Imperial sentinels of his own?

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