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		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1384 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Nov 08, 2006 04:36 PM

Have any of the background Neimoidians on Naboo in The Phantom Menace been named? Is one Gode Takrab from Secrets of Naboo?

The background Neimoidians on Naboo are unnamed. If we ever have to name them, we'd definitely consider names from existing sources before deciding on a final name. Ma'kis'shaalas (Nikto Jedi in ROTS) and Reina March (Outlander patron in AOTC) are two names from the RPG.

gufvcytv
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Date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 03:37 AM

This message was edited by gufvcytv on Nov 09, 2006 03:40 AM

Someone is claiming that anything from C-canon source material is definitely canon. Even if it is contradicted by the films. I'm thinking that just because something is from C-canon doesn't automatically make it 'canon' (Not as in it's just in a canon level, but canon as in it can be considered a universal truth in SW), especially if it is contradicted by G-canon. I'm saying that if a certain 'fact' is in a C-canon book, but is contradicted by a G-canon source, it's not canon at all - it's not said to be true in the SW universe.

Who is correct?

And, is the number of Clones created in total said by Karen Traviss definitely canon?

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1384 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 10:33 AM

Who is correct?
I've clarified my description of canon in my What is the Holocron? blog.

The database does indeed have a canon field for each individual entry and for sources, though the canon level of the entry would overide the canon level of the source since it factors in other sources associated with that entry. When determining canon levels for individual entries, anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else from the EU. There is a secondary "S" continuity classification used for older published materials created when there was less attention to making everything in the EU fit with everything else in the EU. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes "C". Similarly, any "C" canon entry that makes it into the films can become "G" canon. Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Any contradictions that arise are dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

And, is the number of Clones created in total said by Karen Traviss definitely canon?
Yes.

General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Nov 09, 2006 10:54 AM

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1384 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Nov 10, 2006 02:28 PM

Is the Muun mentioned in Labyrinth of Evil that was captured after the Battle of Muunilinst that gave the Republic a code for Gunray's Mechno-Chair one of the Muuns seen in the Star Wars: Clone Wars cartoon?
That certainly was the intent, but without a name in either source, we can't say exactly which.

		ulic_g99 Total Posts: 640 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Nov 11, 2006 11:45 AM

This message was edited by ulic_g99 on Nov 11, 2006 11:52 AM

I'm a little confused about the Grand Army of the Republic; there were 3 million clones originally created by the Kaminoan's initially (as per the Insider 84 Clonetrooper article), but in Episode II: AotC we see numerous additional clones of a younger generations (from foetus to child) being produced in the background as Lama Su talks to Obi-wan - since it takes 10 years to create a battle-ready clone on the Kaminoan cloning programme, are these clones in addition to the original 3 million, or are they some sort of 'top-up' system to replace casualties to keep the Kaminoan force at around 3 million?

		ulic_g99 Total Posts: 640 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Nov 11, 2006 11:52 AM

Also, in ITW: AotC it mentions the Grand Army of the Republic consisting of 'millions of divisions' of clones - since presumably both this number and the Kaminoan 3 million number are canonical, does the millions of divisions refer to the additional Clonetroopers produced on Coruscant, possibly Spaarti cloning mass-produced, or is it something else? Many thanks!

Senator Kuralyov
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Date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 02:25 PM

Was San Hill definitely killed on Mustafar by Vader?

General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Nov 12, 2006 03:47 PM

This message was edited by General Grievous' Bodyguard on Nov 12, 2006 04:02 PM

Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader says Vader killed half a dozen Separatist Council members on Mustafar. We see nine members in Revenge of the Sith, which three of those nine survived?

		Leland Y Chee Member Profile Total Posts: 1384 Member Since: 05/00

Date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 01:42 PM

This message was edited by Leland Y Chee on Nov 13, 2006 01:45 PM

- since it takes 10 years to create a battle-ready clone on the Kaminoan cloning programme, are these clones in addition to the original 3 million,
Yes, in addition to. The 3 million figure is the number of active clones in the army.

Also, in ITW: AotC it mentions the Grand Army of the Republic consisting of 'millions of divisions' of clones -
Can you be more specific as to where in the book "millions of divisions" comes from? My guess is that the figure is being misread. "The first batch of clone divisions are ready for deployment; millions more are undergoing intensive performance evaluation." They're talking about millions of clones, not millions of divisions.

Was San Hill definitely killed on Mustafar by Vader?
Yes.

Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader says Vader killed half a dozen Separatist Council members on Mustafar. We see nine members in Revenge of the Sith, which three of those nine survived?
None of the Council members on Mustafar survived. The half dozen number probably refers to the leaders - Nute Gunray, Poggle the Lesser, Wat Tambor, San Hill, Shu Mai, Po Nudo, and Passel Argente, but not aides like Rune Haako, Denaria Kee, and Cat Miin. It hasn't been determined whether Tikkes was among the Quarren killed off in Clone Wars micro-series. Rogwa Wodrata's fate also hasn't been revealed.

General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 02:18 PM

This message was edited by General Grievous' Bodyguard on Nov 13, 2006 02:19 PM

The half dozen number probably refers to the leaders - Nute Gunray, Poggle the Lesser, Wat Tambor, San Hill, Shu Mai, Po Nudo, and Passel Argente.

That's Seven members.

Plus there's the Unknown Separatist and the Quarren Separatist on Utapau. (Which I'm assuming they didn't go to Mustafar)

Son Of Skywalker15
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Date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 02:21 PM

Tasty Taste, I was just wondering if you've been called upon to enter a canon ending to Knights Of The Old Republic II:The Sith Lords into the holocron. Thanks!

General Grievous' Bodyguard
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Date Posted: Nov 13, 2006 02:30 PM

If San Hill was killed on Mustafar why don't we see him killed in the movie or at least his body on the floor?

		ulic_g99 Total Posts: 640 Member Since: 02/05

Date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 12:37 AM

"The first batch of clone divisions are ready for deployment; millions more are undergoing intensive performance evaluation."

That was the line I was referring to; from the way it was phrased, I'd read it as millions of divisions. Thanks for answering my questions!

JamesGilmer
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Date Posted: Nov 14, 2006 07:53 AM

If San Hill was killed on Mustafar why don't we see him killed in the movie or at least his body on the floor?

Do we get a shot where the camera pans around the entire room and shows all the dead? He could also have been killed somewhere else other than the main control room. He may have been filmed being killed and cut out of the shot.

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