LIGHTS OFF

I felt with my thumb for the incision on the roll in the mitre box, placed the saw there, and cut the roll through. I then used a wood file, finest teeth, to dress the cut off. I unrolled the cut 120 film, carefully removed the taped film end from the 120 backing, laid it against the meter stick, and cut off enough 6 pictures. I then felt for the tape marking the start point on the 127 backing, attached the taped end, and rolled the film up. I was a little worried since the cut was a bit brutal, and I felt pieces of film break off as I rolled the film up. I thought part of the picture area would be effected. I then did the same for the 8 frames section of cut 120 filem (had to attach a precut piece of tape to the start end, though).

LIGHTS ON

I now had two rolls of 127 slide film. I exposed the 6 frame film in my Yashica 44LM, and began a saga of trying to get it developed. Two one hour places wouldn't touch it. Went to a full service photo store, and was asked to explain what I wanted done over the phone to the lab tech. His response-"No problem. Be ready tomorrow." Came back and all six frames were situated perfectly in the center, with a nice black square around them. I was going to say exposed perfectly, but that's a matter of taste! This was, after all, a proof of concept. The ragged edges I worried about were no more than a millimeter deep and in no cases effected the picture area. Will mount and view as superslides tonight.

Will next try marking off the framing numbers on the 127 paper for a full 120 roll for use in the 44A which uses the red window. Can see getting 16 frames

Thought there might be some interest in my experience.

Jim

Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997
From: Arved Grass
Subject: 127 Film

Jack Campin writes:

"The Croatian firm EFKE makes slow and medium-speed b/w film in 127 - it's sold under various brand names round the continent, in the UK by the large chain Jessops"

How about slide film? In the US, Classic Cameras has Ektachrome 64 (yech!) at $10 roll (OUCH!) + $10/roll processing (YEAOW!!!). I love "superslides," but not that much.

Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.misc
From: Phil Taylor yg309@victoria.tc.ca
Subject: Re: 616 & 620 Film

I'm not sure about the 616, but I can assure you that 120 film will do the job for 620. Although you must reroll the 120 on to a 620 reel. This may be tricky at the end.

In total darkness you must roll the 120 onto another reel (120 or 620) it doesn't matter at this stage. Then roll from that reel onto a 620 (this will be the finished roll). The thing is that at the end of a 120 roll the film is not attached to the paper backing so as you go, you must get a FEEL for the film settling onto the 620 reel.

I have done this countless times for my collection, so I could display the camera and the negs/prints. You may get a few fingerprints on the last frame but I wasn't too worried, I got better.

N.B.- Just one last thing don't use 220 film, as some older cameras have a peep hole to see the frame number and 220 film has no paper backing to stop light from fogging/exposing the film.

Phil Taylor
Have a nice day!

On 25 Jan 1998, MACATEEG wrote:

Are these films still available? I came across some old cameras that belonged to my grandparents that I would like to try.

Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998
From: Robert Monaghan rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: Baby Rollei competitors

just a footnote - I was surprised to learn that a number of 6x6 camera users evidently frequently just cropped their 6x6 slides to fit into superslide format for easy projection with regular 35mm projectors. One of the reasons I bought a 6x4.5 hassy back was to do the same easily with slide film while adding an extra format option (actually two 6x.4.5 and 4x4 ;-). I was told that the reason the superslide back for hassy was dropped was it was so easy to just cut down from the 6x4.5 or 6x6 size, so why bother with a separate back just for superslides? In short, some of the competitors include systems you might not otherwise think of ;-) regards to all... bobm

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* Robert Monaghan POB752182 Dallas Tx 75275-2182 rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu *
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Hasselblad 16s Back for Superslides
Photo Courtesy of Donald Gilbert Cope II
Stelrxr Metalworks - Athens, GA - 706.548.9349
was at bscoffee@athens.net (now no connection as of 2/2003)

This is a chrome film back for Hasselblad cameras. The 16s is 4.5cm x 4.5cm square format, also known as the Superslide format. This back offers Hasselblad users the ability to shoot nice-sized square format chromes that can be projected in a ordinary (and inexpensive) 35mm slide projector. Superslides are the same physical size, 2x2 inches, as ordinary 35mm slides, albeit with considerably more image area. The back yeilds 16 images per roll of 120 film, and of course it has other creative uses other than slides. This magazine was manufactured in 1958, but appears to have never been used. It is the finest example of vintage Hassy equipment I have ever seen. It looks almost new. No flaws on chrome nor any shrinkage of the leather. This back is usable on any Hasselblad camera of any vintage. Includes vintage darkslide in mint condition.

From: "Glenn Stewart (Arizona)" gstewart@inficad.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 620 film????
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998

The difference between 120 and 620 film is the spool, not the paper backing.

620 spools have thinner end flanges and a smaller diameter center axle, as well as having much smaller holes in the end flanges to accept the camera's winding mechanism.

It is possible to re-spool 120 film onto 620 spools, if you can find the 620 spools. I have done quite a few rolls for use in my Brownie Hawkeye cameras. The frame markings on the 120 film work perfectly with 620 cameras that count frames by reading the markings on the backing paper through a hole in the camera back.

Best regards,

Stew

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998
From: Mark Voigt voigtm@SLU.EDU
To: Robert Monaghan rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: Re: source, info etc. Re: 127 film

Hi Mark - the original photos I have seen were in a copy of Rollei magazine; A rollei dealer might be able to get you a back issue but if not, see below:

Thanks for the reply. By the way, a couple of things that you might find interesting. First, Photo Supply in San Francisco sells Efke 100 in 127 for 2.75/roll- I just found out about them and ordered some. Their phone number is (415)495-8640. Secondly, I just bought a Mamiya superslide cutter from KEH ($29, new) that also comes with a mask for the Mamiya 645 finders. I haven't tried it yet, as the weathers been awful here, but it'll be interesting to make 4x4 slides from my 6x4.5 shots. Another lesson I've learned is to visit the local camera shops and ask a lot of questions- by doing so, I found a guy who had two boxes (100 each) of Kodak superslide mounts gathering dust which I picked up for $5/box, and at another I picked up a gray baby in great condition (#213 of the run) for real cheap- he was willing to part with it because ''you can't get 127 film anymore''. Just goes to show one man's junk is another man's treasure.

Cheers,
Mark

From: vallebach@aol.com (VAllebach)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 Film
Date: 27 Mar 1998

User:

   You may be able to get EFKE R21 (ASA 100)127 B&W roll film from
Photographers Supply in California (1-800-448-1103).  I ordered some a
couple of years ago for $2.20/ roll; min order is 10 rolls.  This is an
excellent film that is now made in Yugoslavia under license by I.E. Dupont
from Germany.  When I was stationed in Germany it was called Adox instead
of EFKE.  I develop it in Edwal FG7.  If you need more info send me an
E-mail. 

Vic  

From: cmiller@berkshire.net (Curt Miller)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 Film
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998

On the subject of respooled obsolete films:

I purchased some 'respooled' film a while ago. By this I mean it wasn't spooled in a photographic manufacturer's factory but rather by a vendor who slit the film from larger stock and rolled it up with paper backing. The quality of this respooling was unsatisfactory to the extent the film was unusable for the purpose of making photographs. The film had been cut at a taper, too narrow to bridge the filmgate of my camera and thus the focus was totally off since the film was not all the way in the film plane - the film curl put much os the film's surface inside the throat of the camera. The paper was not smooth in many spots - wrinkled up - exascerbating the focus problem. Additionally, the film backer was taped to the spool instead of slotted into it, making finishing off the roll properly nearly impossible. I unspooled another unexposed roll and found the same situation.

To me, this was a very crude job. I have slit and spooled my own film in the past and done so very meticulously and used the film with no problem. I was hoping to be able to save myself the chore so I bought some from this firm. The biggest problem with this situation is that I lost a few precious images, a much greater loss than the $6 I paid for the film. Of course the firm would refund or replace the film, but that is small consolation after the loss of the images. Caveat emptor.

Efke B and W film from Croatia is now available. I bought several rolls of 127- 100ASA a few months ago and put it in the freezer (haven't used it yet). I paid $2.75 + shipping (50c per roll) from:

Photographers Supply
576 Folsom Street
San Francisco, CA 94105
(800) 448-1103

I've heard tell that some of the other suppliers charge more for this film.

Curt

From: Bob Flood jrflood@ricochet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 Film
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998

127 can be had in B and W (ISO 100), color slide (Ektachrome), and color print (VPS) from Film for Classics (someone already gave the address in another message) and from B and H Photo (see camera mags or their web page).

Developing: I found that color can be developed by my local camera shop - they attach the film to a leader designed for 120 and run it thru their machine. They can't make enlargements from 127, but they can make a contact sheet. That let's me decide which negatives I would take to a local pro lab that CAN do 127 enlargements (color and B and W).

Film for Classics also offers processing if you prefer that route.

--
Bob Flood
jrflood@ricochet.net

From: Geoff McAuliffe mcauliff@umdnj.edu
Subject: source of 127 film
Date: 1998-06-19

I saw an ad for fresh black and white 127 film at a camera show last week, the brand name is Jessop and the ASA is 200. Prices are: 6 rolls for $24 + $4 for S&H; 12 rolls for $45 + $4 S&H; 24 rolls for $84 + $5 for S&H.; The seller is Kenneth C. Poertner Dept. SSCS, 613 Hillview Dr., Boise ID 83712. I have no connection, financial or otherwise.

Geoff

From: "claus" claus@hudsonet.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: 127 film
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998

B/H sells 127 film or try the source . . .

http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~jmb5b/film.html

Claus http://www.hudsonet.com/~claus

JC Bowman wrote...

>Have you considered slitting 120 film to the smaller size?  You would still have to
>figure out how to get it processed.  Perhaps at home using a adjustable
>multi-format spiral reel.
>

rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
From: drmike99@ix.netcom.com (Michael P. Weinstein, M.D.)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.film+labs
[1] Re: 127 film processing in the Boston/Cambridge MA (USA) area?
Date: Tue Nov 24 11:49:57 CST 1998

Matt Phelps

> Has anyone had any 127 film (a.k.a. 4X4 or superslides)
> processed in the Boston/Cambridge MA (USA) area?
>
> I just got a Yashica-44 and I'm looking for a local
> place to process whatever I might shoot with it.
>
> I know about Film for Classics (http://www.frontiernet.net/~joankay/)
> but I was hoping for a local solution.
>
> --
> Matt Phelps
> System Administrator
> Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
> mphelps@cfa.harvard.edu
> http://cfa-www.harvard.edu

Custom Slide in Nashua NH will dip and dunk process the Ektachrome from FFC but won't mount it. You can buy mounts from various sources. Kodak Premium will do the B&W; IF you send it through a dealer that uses the Kodak Lab that WAS the old Lerner Lab in Marlboro (or Maynard, maybe). PDQ photo in Nashua uses that lab and Kodak does a decent job, considering it's Croatian Film (EFKE). Probably your best bet would be to process the Ektachrome yourself. I assume you are talking about Ektachrome 100 respooled by Film for Classics.

I have a Yashica 44 and I get my Ektachrome from FFC (takes a few weeks to get the film though) and I had them process it once, now I use the local option. Their processing was good, just expensive.

--
Michael P. Weinstein, M.D. | "Those who cannot remember the past
Nashua, New Hampshire | are condemned to repeat it."
USA | -George Santayana

From Medium Format Digest:
From: Rick Campbell rcampbell@marylhurst.edu
Subject: Response to Die cutter for superslides
Date: 1998-12-21

Terry,

I seem to remember that Wess Plastic makes one for their slide mounts. Try them at 800 487-9377

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 127 film

>Attn: Baby folks:
>Freestyle Sales Co has 127 Efke film listed in the new catalogue for
>$2.99 for b&w 100 iso. The store says they don't actually have it yet
>but expect it next month.
>Bill Lawlor

I've shot this film and it is pretty good. It's the old Dupont Adox formula, now made in Croatia. They also make 620 and all sorts of unusual sheet film sizes.

Bob

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 99
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramarren@bayarea.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 127 film rolls for development?

>does anybody got any idea where I can get rolls to use when developing
>127 film? Can I use 120 rolls? If not, is it possible to get such 127
>rolls new somewhere? Some multi-size rolls maybe?

I believe Patterson still makes adjustable reels which would accomodate the 4cm wide format. The single width reels are likely available special order too.

Godfrey

rec.photo.misc
From: mcminn@mail.idt.net (Logan McMinn)
[1] Re: Question on loading 127 film.
Date: Sat Jan 16 13:33:44 CST 1999

You're asking someone his/her age when you ask that question. Here's how I remember it, but it's been a long time and I may be fuzzy on the details. 127 comes on a spool, and you need an empty spool on the takeup side of the camera. Open the camera, however that works. Some had hinged backs, others had hard cases that nested together to form a light-tight seal. If you're not sure, work the camera mechanism a few times and watch the gears and wheels turn to determine which way the film will be pulled when you advance it. Put the takeup spool on the takeup side, fitting the slot in the spool to the keyed part of the fil advance. There may be a spring to push back to move the spool under the takeup key.

Remove the tape from the fresh roll and slip it into the feed spool's slot. This slot had no keyed wheel and should turn freely when the film is advanced to the next frame. Tuck the free tab unto the slot of the takeup spool, and turn the spool manually to pull the paper leader tightly against the picture gate. Make sure the leader is straight and on track, and close the camera.

Now, observing through the little red window, manaully crank the film advance lever. You will see several symbols pass through the window, printed on the paper. If I remember, there may be a series of dots, then perhaps a long arrow, and maybe other things as well, but eventually, the number "1" will appear in the window. 127 cameras came in three or maybe four different horizontal formats, from portrait to square, to landscape format. Depending on the format gate your particular camera was built for, the windows were positioned top, middle or bottom of the leader, which was correspondingly printed to space the frames properly for each format.

You hand advance each time you make an exposure. If you plan to use the camera regularly, you have to get into the habit of firing the shutter and immediately advancing the film. Otherwise you run the risk of forgetting to advance the film, or forgetting whether or not you did advance and wasting a frame.

It will probably take a spacialty lab to print the frames, but If you do your own printing, 127 might work in an enlarger as small as 35mm, but a 2-1/4 or larger would be best. Allo you need is a negative carrier, and you can probably buy one fro your enlarger through a specialty supplier or modify a 35 mm carrier yourself..

rec.photo.misc
From: mcminn@mail.idt.net (Logan McMinn)
[1] Re: Question on loading 127 film.
Date: Mon Jan 18 13:53:43 CST 1999

Absolutely right. A very important step I am embarrassed to have forgotten. Thanks, Dennis

"Dennis Bradley" dennis@dbradley.freeserve.co.uk wrote:

>Logan McMinn's description of 127 film use is excellent and brought back a
>many old memories.
>
>All I could add is that after the last exposure, the film is wound
>completely onto the takeoff spool and sealed with tape before removing  for
>processing.
>
>Regards
>Dennis Bradley    

Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 127 reels

----------

>From: Daniel Alexander 
>
>Subject: [Rollei] 127 reels
>Date: Mon, Jan 18, 1999, 1:25 PM
>
>>From my experience with both 35mm and 120 film, I find that the
>stainless steel reels are much better than the plastic ones.  They load
>easier, once you get the knack, dry faster, so that you can process
>multiple rolls one after another, clean up better, and don't have the
>tendency to over develop the edges of the film.  I've had that happen to  
>me on numerous occasions with the plastic reels, but never with the
>stainless steel.  Having said all that, I wonder whether stainless steel
>reels are available for 127?

My guess is that new ones for 127 are probably not available, but used ones ought to be.

My experience is just the opposite of yours. I find the Paterson/JOBO type plastic reels MUCH easier to load than SS, particularly with 120 and 220 film. Also, if you drop them as we all tend to do, they just bounce and don't get bent and have loading problems.

I've never had a problem with overdevelopment of edges with plastic or SS reels, but I learned years ago to pre-soak the film in tempered water for five minutes prior to pouring in the developer. This produces absolutely even development and no problem at all with air bells or bubbles.

Nowadays I run all my film in a JOBO ATL-1000 processor, a wonderful machine.

Bob Shell

From: Paul Friedman pfriedman@worldnet.att.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.film+labs
Subject: Re: efke 127 processing?
Date: 2 Jan 1999

FRANKEE wrote:

> I recently purchased 2 rolls of Efke R100 B+W in the 127 size for an old
> Kodak camera I inherited. The info sheet says to develop in efke FR
> developer at different times and solutions or Ilford ID-11@ 8 min / 20C
> deg. I don't typically use any Ilford products in my home darkroom, but
> have Kodak on hand.What would be the equivilent of D-76 in your opinion?
> Would there be a major difference in the two developers that you could
> foresee? Thanx in advance, Frankee             (delete ".com" from address
> to reply)

ID-11 and D-76 are almost exactly the same thing. In fact, the pre-mixed of both differ from the published formula for each -- in exactly the same way. So, D-76 from the store equals ID-11 from the store and ID-11 home brewed from the formula euals D-76 home brewed -- much closer, then store bought D-76 is to formula D-76. So, relax and enjoy!

From: josh@WOLFENET.COM (Joshua_Putnam)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.misc
Subject: Re: Kodak film no. 127
Date: 8 Jan 1999

>arinh@earthling.net wrote:
>>
>> Hi. . .I don't know if I am in the right forum here, but I was  wondering if
>> anyone knew if it was possible to obtain Kodak No. 127 film?
>
>B&H lists B&W 127 ISO 100 film at $6 in their 12/98 catalog (p 141).

While I'm a happy repeat customer of B&H;, their price on Efke B&W; in 127 is on the high side. Freestyle sells the same film for $2.99 including shipping. And it is a very nice film if you like old-style B&W; emulsions -- I use it in a pre-war Sports Rollei with beautiful results.

--

Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999
From: Robert Meier robertmeier@usjet.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Film for Baby Rolleis

Jonathan,

I use a 645 glassless carrier for baby negs. I also have a glass carrier that takes 6x9cm negatives for my 23C, and I use a mask a little bigger than 4x4cm cut from black construction paper.

I got the EFKE 127 film, ASA 100, and have shot a roll and developed it in T-Max developer in a Patterson developing tank (the Patterson reels adjust for 127!) and the results are beautiful. The film is excellent and the Xenar lens is too. Some 8x10's look goodl and sharp with a full tonal range.

Bob

Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 127 reels

----------

>From: John Coz johncoz@erols.com
>Subject: Re: [Rollei] 127 reels
>Date: Tue, Jan 19, 1999, 1:28 AM
>
>
>Daniel Alexander wrote:
>>
>> >From my experience with both 35mm and 120 film, I find that the
>> stainless steel reels are much better than the plastic ones.  They load
>> easier, once you get the knack, dry faster, so that you can process  
>> multiple rolls one after another, clean up better, and don't have the
>> tendency to over develop the edges of the film.  I've had.....
>
>For some reason, my new, plastic Paterson reels are no problem to load
>when wet.  I just rinse and tap on the counter to dislodge excess water.
>Then I load as if they were dry.  I was never able to do this with the
>older plastic reels.
>
>John Coz

Around ten years ago Paterson bought out a smaller company called Photax which also made plastic tanks and reels. Many considered Photax reels far superior to Paterson. One difference was a surface texture on the reels made up of tiny, almost microscopic, nubs, which allowed the reels to be loaded while wet. Apparently Paterson has incorporated this into their reels now.

Photax did not originate this idea, though. In the 70s Vivitar sold a line of tanks and reels and one of their advertising points was that you could load the reels while they were wet. They worked just fine, but disappeared when Vivitar dropped out of the darkroom market.

Bob

Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999
From: Robert Meier robertmeier@usjet.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Baby Rolleis

Marc,

I have a suggestion, or an offer. If six or more people will contribute $25, I will buy the cutter (assuming it can be had for $200 or under). I will then cut film for people that they provide to me along with the 127 spools, and I will charge a reasonable fee for the cutting. I'm not sure what that should be, maybe $2-3 per roll. The people who contributed the $25 for start-up will have $25 credit for cutting fees.

If the cutting goes smoothly and quickly, this would work. If the cutting is time-consuming and often visited by ruined film, this probably won't work. I suppose it will depend on the skill of the cutter.

EFKE 100 127 film is being sold by Freestyle for $2.99 a roll. So that puts a maximum price of $2.99 on spools!

Bob

From rollei mailing list:
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000
From: cmiller@berkshire.net
Subject: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 4x4 grau/Rolleiflex Grey Baby

>Is 127 film still available for these cameras?

It is. B&H; seem to have some stock (I think color and B&W;). Freestylesalesco.com also have B&W.; The other thing folks forget is that it isn't as big a deal to slit 120 down as one might think. This allows me to use any modern emulsion film I choose at about 1/2 the price of the 'old' emulsion type films. All that's needed is a supply of spools.

All that said, I use my baby infrequently now, opting for the larger negative of my 3.5F (or my Hasselblads) and the simplicity of getting off the shelf convenience insofar as films are concerned. I only use the baby when I go hiking and need to minimize weight but still want a larger negative than 35mm. When I started using this camera in 1963, it was great because lots of film was available and, while other arguments can certainly be made for it, it's reason for being in about 1957-1960 was its use for super slides with Ektachrome. And it's little Tessar triplet lens is lovely at about f/5.6 to f/8...but for best of everything with only a little extra weight the 3.5 and 2.8 Fs are clearly better tools.

Curt
Curt Miller, M.P.A.

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000
From: Eric Goldstein egoldstein@usa.net
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 4x4 grau/Rolleiflex Grey Baby

> That'd be EFKE, which is made by a Dupont subsidiary using the old Adox
> formulations.  I think it comes from the Slovak Republic, not Hungary.
> Good film but hard to find.  So far as I know there is
> no current USA distributor.  JOBO had it for a while but dropped it due
> to sluggish sales.  Freestyle in L.A. has it sometimes.

Testing... Testing... Is this thing on?

(Maybe the second time will be the charm...) 8-)

Freestyle has this film each and every time I have checked. It costs 2.99/roll in 127; the also have the same formulation in 120. Currently, they are running a cold-stored special on the 127 for 2.49/roll (I have bought Freestyle's cold-stored materials many times in the past and never had any problem; they are usually just recently out of date and carefully handled).

Go to their website:

http://www.freestylesalesco.com/efke.html

and buy all you could want for the foreseeable future. They even have an image taken on the stock which can be carefully inspected by those who feel it is too "old tech" to be useful...

Eric Goldstein

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000
From: Bob Shell bob@bobshell.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 4x4 grau/Rolleiflex Grey Baby

EFKE, as several people reminded me, is from Croatia. I'd forgotten just where it came from.

Regardless of origin, though, it is decent film. There were three speeds available the last time it was officially imported, a slow R14 (ISO 20), a medium speed R21(ISO 100) and a faster one which was around ISO 320. I've still got some of the R14 and R21 in cold storage for those rare times when I want to shoot with one of the 127 cameras in my collection.

In cold storage this stuff, like most black and white, keeps forever. I just pulle some out to check and mine went out of date in 1990, but I would not hesitate to use it.

Bob

....

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000
From: Vincent Chan v7chan@acs.ryerson.ca
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Rolleiflex 4x4 grau/Rolleiflex Grey Baby

At 17:03 1/22/00 , you wrote:

>$6.00 per roll for the "miracle emulsion of 1950"? Isn't this rather steep?

Especially, if you get paid in Canadian dollars!!! argh! As a result, I cut my own film from 120 rolls. Other than being alot cheaper, this lets me use my favorite emulsions. There's some pictures of my 127 film slitter at:

http://www.pathcom.com/~vhchan/slitters/slitters.html

at the bottom of the page. Let me know if you have any questions.

Vincent.

Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999
From: Martin Frost classic@jessops.co.uk
To: rmonagha@post.cis.smu.edu
Subject: 127 film

Good day,

I have been alerted by a Belgian looking at your web-pages. Classic Collection is listed as a supplier of 127 B+W film. However they ceased trading over a year ago. They in fact, would buy it from us!!! We are now the sole suppliers of this, in the U.K. It is 2.79 GBP per roll (cardboard packaging)

I would be grateful if you could update the pages soon. I am happy to find out through your pages, about "Film for Classics" company. I will sure pass on the many requests we receive about other unusual formats.

With best regards

Steve Jones,

Jessop Classic

rec.photo.marketplace
From: "Doyle Martha" alldoyle@worldnet.att.net
[1] 127 film. Make all you want from 120
Date: Sat May 13 08:49:12 CDT 2000

China Boy Cutter #3 splits 120 film down to 127. Cutter, plus instructions $25.

alldoyle@worldnet.att.net

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Mon, 08 May 2000
From: "J.P. van Dorssen" rollei@wxs.nl
Subject: [Rollei] 127 film

Dear RUGgers,

One of our members of the Dutch Rollei Club ordered 4x4 films in England and received 10 127-films (200 ISO) for GBP 17,63 (VAT included, no P & P costs). He didn't mention to me if the films are B&W; or color neg.

The address:

FLASHBACK, Photographic & Optical Antiques
Mr. Toby Whitfeld
Unit 1, John Dale Arcade
87 Portobello Road
London, W11 2QB
tel. +44.181-6946868
fax  +44.181-6946969

Best,

Hans van Dorssen

From: "Andrew G Williams" agwilliams@clara.co.uk
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace.medium-format
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000
Subject: Re: 620 film in the Wide World

http://www.central-camera.com/film_for_older_cameras.htm offers a range of fresh, hand-spooled films, including 620 and 127 sizes.

Andy.

Tony Norris berthas@starpower.net wrote

> Hi,
> I just saw this so maybe you've heard that B&H photo in New York lists 620
> film and also some other forgotten sizes.
> Cheers,
> Tony
> berthas@starpower.net

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000
From: Siu Fai Au S.F.Au@tnw.tudelft.nl
Subject: RE: [Rollei] 127 from 120

Jonathan,

I have been thinking of doing the same thing but haven't got the time to do this yet. How do you cut yours into the right size? Are these Efke film all bad or just a couple of them? As for the length of film, a solution may be to first measure the length of the original 127 film and paper. Than unroll the already cut film in the darkroom and cut the film and paper into about the same length as the original and roll it into a 127 spool. You may need to re-tape the film to the paper. It's probably something you don't want to do everyday.

Here is a site you may be interrested:

http://www.pathcom.com/~vhchan/slitters/slitters.html

Siu Fai

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Jonathan Prescott
Sent: maandag 11 september 2000
To: rollei
Subject: [Rollei] 127 from 120

Hi all,

I'm continuing to experiment with cutting 120 down to 127 for use in my Grey Baby. The unreliability of Efke 100 in 127 is driving me to the conclusion that there is no 127 film produced which is worth using in the camera. The Efke film has occasional emulsion scratches which means you can't rely on the film for critical applications.

In cutting 120 down to size, I've noticed that the additional length of 120 allows approx. 16 exposures per roll, but the additional thickness of film and paper backing makes for a too tight fit when putting the roll in the camera. I've thought about stripping the paper from the roll, leaving only paper leader at each end. Can anyone see reasons why this would not work? I'm wondering if the pressure plate would be properly adjusted for the thickness of film only.

Thanks,

Jonathan Prescott

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000
From: Hans-Peter.Lammerich@t-online.de
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Efke film

For info (charts, graphs, narrative, price), check www.fotoimpex.de.

In particular the ASA 100 EFKE is darn cheap, but if you don't need 127, is it really worth the hassle compared to marginally more expensive APX?

Hans-Peter

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000
From: Siu Fai Au S.F.Au@tnw.tudelft.nl
Subject: RE: [Rollei] 127 Slide mounts

Jan,

This company still have the mounts in their catalogue:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/

I found it in their PDF file and costs 10 DM for 20.

Siu Fai

...

From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000
From: Jonathan Prescott jonpre@uswest.net
Subject: [Rollei] 120 to 127

I wanted to let you all know that my tests cutting 120 down to 127 (or 227 as was suggested earlier) were successful. Here's the technique:

- Cut 120 to 127th width in miter box using a fine tooth Japanese dovetail saw (I found that rotating the film halfway through the cut prevented squashing the roll, yielding a move even cut). Make sure ALL the chips are blown off (or you get little black specs on your print.)

- Unroll a few inches of the paper leader and clamp it above head level (with a film clip or something similar.)

- Unroll until you reach the end of the film, then tape the emulsion side of the film to the paper.

- Cut the paper backer, leaving a paper tail attached to the end of the film. Then tape the cut end of the paper tail to the back side of the film (this prevents the paper flap from hanging up as the beginning of the paper tail is pulled through the camera's rollers.)

- Cut the paper backer at the other end of the film, leaving a paper leader, unbacked film and a paper tail. (Its not necessary to tape the backside of this cut since it won't catch in the rollers.)

- Snip a V in the end of the paper tail and tread it onto a 127 spool.

- Roll the whole works up

A normal length of this 227 film yields 16-17 exposures on my Grey Baby. Conveniently, one full turn of the film advance knob perfectly positions the next exposure for exposures 13-17). I did some careful focusing tests and everything looks sharp, indicating that the lack of backing paper didn't change the film plane enough to negatively impact focusing. There didn't seem to be any scratching of the film where it rubs on the backing plate either. The main unknown to this system seems to be clearing all the chips left from cutting the film. One stray bit of sawdust can ruin an exposure.

If anyone tries out the method, please let me know how it works for you and if improvements can be made.

Jonathan Prescott
jonpre@uswest.net

From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001
From: Martin Taureg targi@ns.arc.sn
Subject: Re: hasseLblad A16S Backs

On some projectors, like Kodak the Carousel (EKtagraphic) line, it is sufficient to change the position of the condensor lens to avoid vignetting while projecting Superslides.

The nice bit about the Superslide format is precisely that you can produce a show with square slides without having to buy or rent expensive MF slide projectors, like the PCP80.

You could even do that without the A16S back. The cheap solution is to put the little mask #42146 into your viewfinder, that carries marks for both 4,5x6 and 4x4 cm formats, helping you to compose correctly while using a standard A12 / A24 or A16 back, and then cutting the slide film to fit the super slide mounts.

Cutting equipment and 4x4 slide mounts are supplied by Wess Plastic Inc.

Best,
Martin

Q.G. de Bakker wrote:

> They were not very popular because of the apparent waste of film, the fact
> that the same can be achieved using an A16 (6x4.5) back, and that most 35 mm
> slide projectors can't show the full size superslide without vignetting
> anyway.

--
Martin Taureg
B. P. 6063, Dakar, SENEGAL (West Africa)
E-Mail: mtaureg@ns.arc.sn / mtaureg@voila.fr / mtaureg@eudoramail.com

From Hasselblad Mailing List;
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001
From: Mark Rabiner mark@rabiner.cncoffice.com
Subject: Mark's new format

I need my photographic life simplified not complicated but yesterday at Hasselblad day at Pro Photo i picked up an old 16S back for 120 bucks!!

I've been dying to shoot superslide squares my whole life it seems and now i get the chance to do it on a regular basis! I already had a nice Plexiglas screen to put in my viewfinder from the Hasselblad mask set that so i dropped it right in there. By the way it's not 45 x 45 but i measured 41.5 does anyone know what the official measurement is? I have an A16 back which i often use with the 60x30 mask but i never felt like i could always just cut it down to a square. For me that just doesn't cut it.

Most my shots i like the back borders. So now when i look at my groundglass I've got framelines to look around just like on my most used system, my Leica m's! My set of lenses have been transformed. I've had the old standard 50 80 150 for years. Just replaced the 150 with the new 120 with my 50 my horizontal angle of few now is 45 degrees! That's about the same as my first lens ever. The 45mm GN for my Nikon F2 in the early early 70's! (within one degree the 45 has a 44 degree angle) Or a 150 on a 4x5! I think shooting this way is going to be a pleasure despite my 50 Distagon CF. being not light in weight.

The angle of view i get with my lighter brighter 80 is 29 degrees. The same as the 110 on the Hasselblad on 6x6. A nice focal length for people as many, Jim and Austin included seem to feel.

For studio promotional head shots to three quarter shots with 100 speed films i can see this working out real well. 16 on a roll. Delta 100 doesn't come in 220 anyway. (Maybe for a client you are giving a discount too!) That would be close to the same as using a 75 or 80 with 35mm or a 240 with 4x5!

But the 20 degrees i now get from the 120 almost but not quite turns it into a 150 which is 21 degrees. I thought it would give me a 180! Sorry. Just thinking out loud!

Love those frame lines! 16 on a roll!

Mark Rabiner
http://www.rabiner.cncoffice.com/

From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001
From: Hans-Peter.Lammerich@t-online.de
Subject: [Rollei] Rollei Baby 4x4 users please read!

http://fotoimpex.de/Home/films/e-127/e-127.html

These guys not only have EFKE R100 in 127 size, they are planning to reintroduce 127 colour slide film! But before they make the decision, they ask for some feedback from potential customers.

I am not associated with this shop and apologise for posting off-frideay.

Hans-Peter

From Rollei Mailing List;
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001
From: Jim Hemenway jim@hemenway.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] Re: NOT WTB: Rolleiflex T or Rolleicord Vb

Rich:

I've had good luck with http://www.filmforclassics.com/

127 roll film:

Efke B&W;
Kodak Portra 160 NC
Kodak Ektachrome E100S

From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: 127 film is available
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 

Fresh Efke R100 in 127 size is available at
http://www.frugalphotographer.com. Examples of this film exposed in a
Primo-Jr 4x4 TLR and processed in D-76 are shown at
http://www.frugalphotographer.com/Efke_127_gallery.htm

David Foy
The Frugal Photographer


From: ralf@free-photons.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 4x4 shooters: 127 film is available
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 

Zeljko Kardum kardum@zagreb.cc> wrote:

> Where and how did you find 127 size Efke film?

You mean, you don't get any in Zagreb, of all places?

Fotoimpex of Berlin, Germany, sell it. They have an English language
website and they do ship abroad.

www.fotoimpex.de

HTH,
Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  K”ln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.free-photons.de
manual cameras and picture galleries - updated 26 Sept. 2001
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses


From: "kab" koshaugh@teleport-spam.com>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 4x4 shooters: 127 film is available
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 

Freestyles still has Macophot 127 size B&W; film ISO 100 listed on their web
page, $3.99 per roll, code 3600.  Check them out at
http://www.freestylecamera.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?


karl


"David Foy" nospam@this.address.please> wrote 
> Examples of 127 size Efke R100 film exposed in a Primo-Jr 4x4 TLR and
> processed in D-76 are shown at
> http://www.frugalphotographer.com/Efke_127_gallery.htm.
>
> David Foy
> The Frugal Photographer
>
>

From: jenspatricdahlen@hotmail.com>
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Rollei] 46 mm film, is-it 127 size ?
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 

>From: bigler@ens2m.fr
> > Hello! I'm asking again: Does anyone know what films one can buy in
> > 46 mm? /Patric
>
>If you mean : 127-size film for, say, the Baby Rollei 4x4, I think the
>only kind of film you can find is B&W.; If by "46 mm film" you mean
>something else than 127 size film, please disregard this


I just learned that kodak made Vericolor III and Portra in 46mm long rolls
I don't know for what type of cameras they were made for, but the
unperforated film could be cut to be spooled on 127-film spools.

It seems that 46mm long rolls are not made any more by kodak. :-/

I found this auction on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item;=3D1288915649

I know about Efke and Jessop. They are the same film, made by Fotokemika in
Croatia. There's also Macophot UP100 in 127-film. I think this is made in
Germany, but I'm not sure. Haven't tried this film though.

The conclusion is that there are only TWO b/w films available in 127-size,
and both are 100 Asa.

Fotokemica once made their superb R17 (today R50) in 127, but that was at
least 15 years ago. I would love to see this film being made again, or maybe
another film with a lower speed plus a 400 speed film.

/Patric

From: jenspatricdahlen@hotmail.com>
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Rollei] Macophot/Efke (was: 46 mm film, if = 127, color exists
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 

>From: ll.clark@verizon.net
>    bigler@ens2m.fr said:
>
> >Check "Film For Classics" http://www.filmforclassics.com/
>
>...but be prepared for "sticker shock" [much higher than expected
>prices]!

I know what you mean...

Macophot films are more interesting. http://www.mahn.net/Frameset.htm

They sell their b/w UP100 in 127-size. 10 rolls for DM 78.- (around $39)

Hey! If you want to have a "price shock", take a look at their new (?) UP25
film! DM 52.- or $26 for ONE SINGLE ROLL IN 120-size!!!!! :-O

...and they don't have an ytechnical information about this film, so who can
be interested in buying it? I guess many of us are looking for low speed
films that can replace APX25, but this is silly!

I use to buy Efke R25 and R50 in 120 nowadays when I want low speed films. I
love them! The R50 is my favorite film. It's easy to make 30x40 cm prints
with this film without visible grain. :-)

Their R100 is grainy compared to the newer T-grain films like Tmax and
APX100, but is much easier to use and develop. I compared it with APX100
when I tried a couple of developer recipes, and I found that R100 was much
easier to print when it was under- and over exposed a couple of steps when
APX100 instead fast went too low or high in contrast. I'm no expert, but I
guess they would talk about diagrams and curves. :-)

I've heard that R100 works great with pyro developers like PMK.

Another film I want to try is the Macophot Ort25 in 120. An ortochromatic
film with extremely fine grain. It's red-blind and must be developed in a
low-contrast developer. I have lots of pyrocatechol at home, so I can
experiment to find the right developer for this film.

Ort25 can give results that looks like the photos from the 1880's or so. 
:-)

Macophot UP64c is also an interesting film I want to try. The "c" is for
clear base, and it can be used for reversal development to get nice
transparents. At 50 Asa it can be used as a normal low-speed film.

Not expensive either; 10 rolls for $26

/Patric

From: jenspatricdahlen@hotmail.com>
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Rollei] New 127-films on it's way!
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 
Hello!

Got this email from Maco in Germany:

>Dear Patric,
>we are planning to produce the new MACO CUBE 400c as 127 b&w; film.
>And in addition, in March 2002, a Color Slide film 100 ISO.
>With best regards,
>Hartmuth Schroeder
>MACO, Hamburg


Sounds interesting, huh? :-))

/Patric


From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.marketplace
Subject: 127 roll film and 126 Instamatic film is available
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 

Fresh 127 roll film (for antique and collector cameras) and 126 Instamatic
film are available at http://www.frugalphotographer.com.

David Foy


From: chrisplatt@aol.com (ChrisPlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 11 Jan 2002 
Subject: Attention 127 users!

In addition to their fine Efke 127 black & white negative film,
Fotoimpex will soon be introducing a 127 color slide film.
Their website claims January 2002 introduction, but no pricing.

FYI 127 "superslides" in 2"x2" mounts can be used with 
any 35mm projector.  And they'll knock your socks off!

The few retailers who carry 127 film charge a very high price for it.

The Fotoimpex website offers direct sales to the USA at discount.
For instance, 100 rolls of the Efke black & white costs about
$300 including shipping, tax and customs fees.  That's $3.00
per roll, significantly cheaper than any domestic retailer I know.

I'm sure the color slide film will be cheaper if purchased directly, too.

I would like to order some of the black & white negative film 
but I don't want or need 100 rolls of 127 film for my own use.   
But I would consider placing an order if I could split it with others
willing to share the savings.  Anyone interested in joining me?

The following is a survey.  No obligation will be implied.
Interested parties please email answers to these questions: 

1. How many rolls of 127 b&w; negative film would you buy NOW? 


2. How many rolls of 127 b&w; negative film would you buy when 
    the color slide film is available, too?


3. How many rolls of 127 color slide film would you buy when available?


4. For the 127 color slide film what do you expect to pay per roll?
  

5. For the 127 color slide film what is the maximum price you'll pay?


TIA,
Christopher Platt
chrisplatt@aol.com

From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Attention 127 users!
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 

Macophot told me a few months ago, they would be offering a reversal 127 film
by the end of 2001.  Could this be it?  You can sign me up for ten rolls of
the color (colour) film.  I've used the Efke and it's a little too vintage
looking for me, but you could easily pass off prints made with Efke as
vintage 1950's pictures.  Don't bother with the e-mail above, my e-mail is
steven.sawyer@verizonmail.com.  Thanks for the tip!

ChrisPlatt wrote:

> In addition to their fine Efke 127 black & white negative film,
> Fotoimpex will soon be introducing a 127 color slide film.
> Their website claims January 2002 introduction, but no pricing.
>
> FYI 127 "superslides" in 2"x2" mounts can be used with
> any 35mm projector.  And they'll knock your socks off!
>
> The few retailers who carry 127 film charge a very high price for it.
>
> The Fotoimpex website offers direct sales to the USA at discount.
> For instance, 100 rolls of the Efke black & white costs about
> $300 including shipping, tax and customs fees.  That's $3.00
> per roll, significantly cheaper than any domestic retailer I know.
>
> I'm sure the color slide film will be cheaper if purchased directly, too.
>
> I would like to order some of the black & white negative film
> but I don't want or need 100 rolls of 127 film for my own use.
> But I would consider placing an order if I could split it with others
> willing to share the savings.  Anyone interested in joining me?
>
> The following is a survey.  No obligation will be implied.
> Interested parties please email answers to these questions:
>
> 1. How many rolls of 127 b&w; negative film would you buy NOW?
>
> 2. How many rolls of 127 b&w; negative film would you buy when
>     the color slide film is available, too?
>
> 3. How many rolls of 127 color slide film would you buy when available?
>
> 4. For the 127 color slide film what do you expect to pay per roll?
>
>
> 5. For the 127 color slide film what is the maximum price you'll pay?
>
> TIA,
> Christopher Platt
> chrisplatt@aol.com


From: chrisplatt@aol.com (ChrisPlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 13 Jan 2002 
Subject: Re: Attention 127 users!

Macophot does indeed make a 127 color slide film
but it is presently not offered by Cachet, the US importer
of the Macophot 127 black and white negative film.

"Excelsior, you fatheads!"
-Chris-

From: chrisplatt@aol.com (ChrisPlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 16 Jan 2002 
Subject: Re: Attention 127 users!

According to an email I received from Fotoimpex
the introduction of the their new 127 color reversal film
will be delayed indefinitely.

They are having difficulty with their supply of 127 plastic spools.

As a result, Fotoimpex is also unable to fill existing orders 
for the Efke 127 black & white negative film.

I will keep after Fotoimpex and post any new developments here.

I will encourage Cachet to import the Macophot color slide film.

I will try to negotiate some sort of discount with Freestyle
for the Macophot 127 b&w; film... 

Chris


From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please>
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: 127 film (was Re: Efke vs Maco)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 

Maco UP100 127 is made at the same factory, and from the same film, paper,
and spools, as Efke R100. It is Efke R100 127 repackaged. Interestingly, so
is Jessops ISO 200 -- same film, different advertised speed.

Maco still has 127 because they keep a larger inventory then FotoImpex does.
When Maco's inventory is drawn down the spool problem will bite them too. It
doesn't necessarily mean the end of 127, just higher production costs (and
thus, higher prices).

--
David Foy
============================
http://www.frugalphotographer.com

"ChrisPlatt" chrisplatt@aol.com> wrote 
> A plastic spool shortage is holding up production
> of Efke 127 films from Fotoimpex.
>
> Maco apparently has no such problem.
>
> -Chris-
rec.photo.marketplace
From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please>
[1] 127 roll film is available
Date: Sat Feb 09 2002

Fresh Macophot UP 100 panchromatic roll film in 127 (for Baby Rollei,
Yashica 44, Vest Pocket Kodak, Primo-Jr and Sawer Mark IV, etc) is
available.

http://www.frugalphotographer.com

David Foy





rec.photo.marketplace
From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please
[1] 127 roll film is available
Date: Sat Feb 09 2002

Fresh Macophot UP 100 panchromatic roll film in 127 (for Baby Rollei,
Yashica 44, Vest Pocket Kodak, Primo-Jr and Sawer Mark IV, etc) is
available.

http://www.frugalphotographer.com

David Foy




Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 
From: Mikko Eerola mikko@eerola.com
To: rmonagha@mail.smu.edu
Subject: Yashica 44

Hi Robert,

thanks for the great medium format pages!

....

Regarding 127 film: there's a German company called Maco Photo Products
(http://www.thn.net/~maco/Frameset.htm) and their MACO UP 100 plus film comes
in 127 size as well. I recently bought a few rolls and have just finished
shooting the first one.


With Best Regards,

Mikko Eerola mikko@eerola.com
Helsinki, Finland



From: chrisplatt@aol.com (ChrisPlatt)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Date: 26 Jan 2002 
Subject: Hand mounter for superslides?

The cost of commercial processing for E-6 slides in 127 format
(> $1.00 per slide!) has forced me to consider doing it myself.

Pikes Peak Plastics offers inexpensive Kaiser plastic superslide mounts.
I am told that a mounting press is required for these two-piece mounts.

Pikes Peaks least expensive hand mounter costs $149.
B&H; sells a "Gepe/Pakon" Snappy Mounter" for $45.

Would the latter (or some other less expensive) hand mounter work?

TIA,
Christopher Platt



From: Bob Salomon bobsalomon@mindspring.com
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Hand mounter for superslides?
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002

ChrisPlatt at chrisplatt@aol.com wrote 

> B&H; sells a "Gepe/Pakon" Snappy Mounter" for $45.

This is for 24x36mm 35mm double frame mounts. It will not work with Super
Slides.

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From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Hand mounter for superslides?
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002


I use a Mamiya super slide cutter which I use to crop 120 film into
super-slides.  The metal retaining clips on the Gepe super-slide mounts are
I believe a millimeter or two "shorter" than the standard 1 5/8" size of
super slides.  Obviously if you're using a Gepe cutter then this shouldn't
be an issue.  The Wess Plastics "Super Mount" CVA001 will work OK with the 1
5/8" by 1 5/8" size fine although I believe they're a little more expensive
that the Gepes and not as precise of a mount, which might not be an issue
for you.  I believe that the Gepe "cutter" is over a hundred bucks.  I'm not
familiar with the Pikes Peak product line.  Do you have a URL for Pikes
Peaks?  I don't use a "mounter" since I only mount a half dozen a week, it's
not an issue for me to slap the mounts together with my fingers.  I believe
that Wess makes "Super Mounts" that will work with sprocketed 46mm film
which I've never worked with but in that case all you'd be doing is cutting
the strip.  For mounting super slides with either 127 or 120 film I believe
you'll need a cutter, as even 127 film is wider than 40mm.  I don't know if
the Mamiya cutter is still being made as I bought mine used.  I'm curious to
see what others have to say about this as I've only worked with the Mamiya
cutter using Pegco (cardboard), Wess and Gepe mounts.

...


From Rollei Mailing List:
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 
From: jenspatricdahlen@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Rollei] rollei grey baby

I have tried to cut 120-film into 127 in red-brown light, and succeded. I
taped the film on a board on the table to make it flat, and used a long
ruler. I will make a metal piece in the same width and length of the
127-film, put it on the film and cut. I can put rubber under it so it won't
move when cutting. Just a little experimenting. I had no trouble with taping
the film on the backing paper and roll it on the spool. There can be
problems with a little dust, so it's important to keep the working area
clean and dust free.

I will be happy when the fast film and the slide film comes on the market,
but a fine grained film is good to have in this format, and there is no
other way and to cut the film oneself at this moment.

The Rollei 4x4 is small and easy to carry when walking around in the
mountains, and having two rolls of fine grained film on the trip would be
good.

/Patric

>From: Rich Lahrson Hi Siu!
>
>      Cutting film in the dark is not the only problem. The film must
>be positioned and retaped to a paper.  Reusing paper backing
>is about half good.  Also, a project like that for a few rolls makes
>no sense.  Someone might be able to set up a pin register cutting
>track and use fresh backing paper, but it's really not a garage
>project.  Besides, isn't Maco or Efka on the verge of introducing
>a fast black and white negative film as well as a color
>transparency one?
>
>      I load my own 35mm films all the time.  I've got a roll of
>5 inch wide Panatomic-X, 1000 feet.  I cut some down to
>3 1/4 x 4 1/4 size for a Graflex camera I had for awhile.  But
>it was too much trouble!  I need to use this Panatomix-X.  One
>problem with it is it's very thin emulsion.  I should get an old
>5x7 camera, only one cut and thousands of exposures.  Rich
>
>
>
>Siu Fai wrote:
>
> > > It's also possible to cut 120-film to 127 and roll it on the
> > > backing paper
> > > from an old 127 roll on the spool. Maco ORT25 (extremely fine
> > > grained orto
> > > film) in 120 can be cut in the light from a red safelight, making
> > > it easier.
> >
> > I tried it once to cut a roll of Agfa Ortho 25 to 127 but I have not
>succeed
> > it. The cutting is a real PITA. Once you have unrolled the film it will
>not
> > stay flat.  Determine the right width and having the sides parallel are
> > things that are impossible to do in subdued light. After an hour or so,
>I
> > gave up and threw away the film. Next time, I'll try to built my own
>film
> > cutter.
> >
> > Siu Fai



Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 
From: "Joe B." joe-b@clara.co.uk
To: rollei@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: RE: [Rollei] rollei grey baby

Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@dlr.de (Dirk-Roger Schmitt) wrote:
> There is a small company in Germany selling a cutting machine.It has been
> published in some of the older Rollei magazines. Maybe someone remembers.
>
> Dirk

I do recall the manufacturer was located in Dachau, so I just did a search on
"film cutter Dachau" and found it- it is a little way down the page and his
name is Franz Reicheneder. No url that I could see for him though.

http://medfmt.8k.com/bron127film.html


I also found this, where a home-made slitter design is described:

http://www.pathcom.com/~vhchan/slitters/slitters.html

Joe B.



Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 
From: Guido guido.cova@tin.it
Subject: [Rollei] Efke film: Du Pont?


Hi all.
I have just got some rolls of EFKE R200 B/N film, in 127 size, to feed my
Kodak Vest Pocket Autographic and a Baby Rollei I am eager for :-)
I think it's a good film and - well - the only 127 film I have been able to
find... :-/

Some questions:
- has anyone used it? EI/developer/times recommended?
- on the cardboard box it says "Made in Croatia under licence - Du Pont de
Nemours Deutschland gmbh". Eh!? Du Pont? is Du Pont into film making?
- the Italian importer says it will pass some time before some more fresh
film will be available, as Fotokemika Zagreb (i.e. the Efke maker) is
undergoing a serious restructuration. I hope they will not drop "strange"
films, such 127 format or 20 ISO. Does anyone know what's going on?

Ciao
Guido


[Ed. note: we found a used Mamiya slide cutter for J.K., 
but it is sad to see they are out of production...]
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 
From: Koskentola Jaakko Jaakko.Koskentola@bof.fi
To: "'rmonagha@mail.smu.edu'" rmonagha@mail.smu.edu
Subject: Super Slide Cutter

Dear Mr Monaghan,

I am an avid visitor of your marvellous website on medium format. I have
found the pages very useful in my eternal quest for more information. On one
page you describe a cutter for super slides
(http://medfmt.8k.com/bronsslide.jpg). I shoot both 35mm and mf
and have only a single projector capable of handling super slides, so I got
interested. I emailed to the UK distributor of Mamiya asking for any info on
the cutter. They bounced the message to Mamiya, Japan, and I got the
following info on the cutter:

Dear Mr. Koskentola,

Thank you very much for the information.

I showed the instructions to some other co-workers, and some of them
remembered this item. As written on the instructions, this item was made for
the M645 and the M645 1000S, the first 6x4.5 format cameras. Regrettably
production of the M645 1000S, successor of the M645, was discontinued in
1979. This slide cutter was also discontinued around then.

We are sorry, but we do not have this item even in our stock any longer. So
all we can do is to suggest you alternative items from other manufacturers.
I sincerely hope you will hear favourably from the distributor of Gepe.

We thank you again for your dedicated search for our product.

Yours Faithfully,

Motohiko Obayashi
Mamiya-OP Co., Ltd.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Koskentola Jaakko" Jaakko.Koskentola@bof.fi
To: "'M. Obayashi'" m-obayashi@mamiya-op.co.jp
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002
Subject: VS: Super Slide Cutter


> Dear Mr Obayashi,
>
> Please find enclosed a hyperlink to a webpage describing the Mamiya Super
> Slide Cutter:
>
> http://medfmt.8k.com/bronsslide.jpg
>
> Yours truly,



From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: 127 E6 is back and is actually good!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002


I just finished getting a roll of E6 127 film processed, and it looks
very good.  I'm still trying to figure out which kind of E6 film it is.
I was figuring Agfa, but it looks to me more like Ektachrome.  A friend
of mine told me they had heard there was an outfit in Italy that's makes
E6.  In any case it's available from two sources: J&C; Photo (for $6.49)
at www.jandcphoto.com and at B&H; Catalog # MAUCR100127 (for $9.95).  I
live in New York so I got mine at B&H.;  I contacted three E6 labs in NYC
and two out of the three were willing to do it.  The film is
manufactured and not a slit and roll job.  And it cuts beautifully on my
Mamiya cutter.  Thanks to Chris Platt for letting me know it was
available in the US.


From: ralf@free-photons.de (Ralf R. Radermacher)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 E6 is back and is actually good!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002

steven.sawyer@banet.net wrote:
> A friend of mine told me they had heard there was an outfit in Italy
> that's makes E6.

That would be Ferrania. They used to make the European "Scotch" films
and dozens of drugstore house brands. Lately, they've returned to
selling at least some of their produce under their own name.

Given that Maco are the German distributors of Ferrania film products,
this whole theory sounds quite likely.

Here's the page on Ferrania's website about their slide film:

http://www.ferraniait.com/Solutions/photography/slidefilm.htm

Cheers,
Ralf
--
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  K”ln/Cologne, Germany
NEW URL!!! private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de



From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 E6 is back and is actually good!
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002


Ferrania is the last manufacturer of 126 film, so it would make sense.
Maco is probably sourcing the reels from Efke and buying the 127 film from
Ferrania.  All I've got to say is that the film is good, and I'm glad to
see my Komaflex finally earning it's keep.


from camera fix mailing list:
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 
From: "James Jones" jjones@THEADVOCATE.COM
Subject: Re: Film slitter

Jannes Slot wrote:

>My father has a lot of Minox camera's and he is using them frequently. The
only problem with these cameras is the price of the 16 mm film cassettes. He
knows there are people who make four of these films out of one 35 mm film with
a so called filmslitter. Some people even build them theirselves!!
>
>Is there someone here who knows how to build a filmslitter and / or where the
can be bought??

Well, Jannes, Minox cameras use 9.2mm film, not 16mm, and yes the
factory loaded film is expensive. With a good film slitter and some
empty cassettes you can "roll your own" and save a lot of money. Not to
mention being able to use any film that's available for 35mm or 16mm.


I've built several film slitters, one to cut a 9.2mm strip from 16mm
film, and another that cuts 2 9.2mm strips from 35mm film. I have some
links on my Minox page that your father might find interesting:

http://members.fortunecity.com/minivanman/minox.html

Here's my 16mm to 9.2mm slitter made from a pair of rotary scissors:

http://members.cox.net/minox/slitter.htm

And here's the 35mm to 9.2mm slitter first designed by Ron Pedelty
which I modified slightly:

http://ronp.freeyellow.com/slitter.htm

Finally, a few more slitter links:

http://www.hektor.worldonline.co.uk/minox1/slitter.html
http://users.conwaycorp.net/lahest/slitter2.html
http://www02.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/ka2/eikit/acc/slitter.html

Hope this helps!

James


From camera fix mailing list:
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 
From: "Peter Wallage" peterwallage@btinternet.com
Subject: Camera body film slitter

Hi all,

James, I've been following the thread about film slitters with
interest as I'm part way through making one. It uses the same
priciple of razor blades in wood blocks as one of the examples in
the links you gave. The one I'm building is based on a design I saw
somewhere on the net but I can't for the life of me find it again.

The big advantage is that it doesn't need a darkroom to load it. I'm
building it with a single blade to cut 120 film down for 127 plus a
16mm wide strip which will give me film for my Minolta 16 and my
Vega thus killing two birds with one stone - giving me a wide choice
of 127 emulsions for the various 1930s 16 on 127 cameras I've got,
plus unperf 16mm film for the sub-mins. I see no reason why it
shouldn't be used with more than one blade for cutting any width yo
like, and the idea could possibly be adapted for cutting 35mm film
using an old 35mm camera body.

The basis of the thing is an old 120 folding camera body, I'm using
a cheap old Kodak I picked up for pennies in a flea market. The wood
blocks are cut to fit inside the film aperture with the blade just
before the take-up spool. I've cut the pressure plate away at that
end to clear the blade. In use, the 120 film is loaded in the usual
way and the blade poked through the backing paper before the film
gets to the aperture. Then you close the back and wind on to the
end. The device can be loaded and operated in daylight, but has to
be in a darkroom or changing bag for unloading. I'm working on some
sort of easy-to-fix cover to protect my fingers from the blade while
I'm unloading.

If I ever get the thing finished - and if it works - I'll take some
pix and post them on the forum. Don't hold your breath, though. It's
taken me nearly three months to get this far, with still quite a way
to go. I won't cry if someone with more spare time uses the idea and
beats me to it :)

Peter


From: durrago@hotmail.com (Brian Weiss)
Newsgroups:
rec.photo.equipment.medium-format,rec.photo.equipment.large-format,rec.photo.equipment.misc
Subject: Re: 616 kodak film in old junior six-16...
Date: 4 Jan 2003

...
> BTW for users of 127 film it might be cheaper to get some from
>
> www.fotoimpex.de
>
> They have b/w film made by Maco (Hungary?) and E6 slide film (from
> Maco, too, but probably respooled material from a major manufacturer).
>
> Winfried

For 127 in the USA go to www.jandcphoto.com. They carry Efke 127 and
Maco color cheaper than anyone else in the US. 


From: Robert Monaghan 
Sent: Thu 2/20/20
Subject: re: 127 film sources

oh yes, I also support the available 127 film sellers, which I feature on
my website (http://medfmt.8k.com/bron127film.html) but as you noted, the
number of emulsions available is very limited ;-( 

Knowing that you can easily setup a slitter with a razor blade and a bit
of work, then respool onto 127 film spools, makes the majority of 120
emulsions available on 127 too with a bit of work. [hedging here as some
IR films may be problematic, then one of the sawing solutions might work?]

Incidentally, a junkbox folder plus a razor blade and stub for the 127
spool side makes a very low cost slitter, all the mechanics worked out for
you; the stub is a wooden or similar block to position the 127 spool so it
fits on the takeup side (see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/postcard.html for
tips), and position the razor blade so it cleanly slits at the desired
point, use a simple changing bag to do it in the dark etc. ;-)

grins bobm


From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 film sources
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 

For rock bottom prices on Efke (B&W;) and Macochrome (E6) go to jandcphoto.com.
Film for Classics hand rolls the E6 from chopped 70mm film which means you have
sprockets on one side. This sprockets screw up any attempt to properly crop
superslides. Also check out on eBay right now (I have no connection to the seller)
they have a Bessler 23C 127 negative holder for the superslide size your Yashica
makes. Finally if you want to make B&W; superslides, check out www.dr5.com, who
will not only reverse the Maco/Efke B&W; film, but will also mount them in heat
shrink cardboard mounts.

Argon3 wrote:

> I succumbed to an overwhelming urege and bought a yashica 44 on
> ebay...something, I hope, to let me re-energize my silver halide photography by
> "getting back to basics"...now I'm faced with the onerous task of finding a
> source for 127 black and white film.
> So this leaves me with Efke and Macophot as choices (neither of which sounds
> like bad choices...in fact I might try the Efke in 120, it sounds good).
> Has anyone else found any good sources for 127 film in the US? I guess that
> Jessop's in the UK is a good source over there (and if I lived in Hungary, I
> guess I could just pick some up at the corner drugstore) but how bout the good
> ole USA?
>
> argon3@aol.com


From: "David Foy" nospam@this.address.please
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 film sources
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 

The only 127 manufactured anywhere in the world is made at the Efke factory
in Croatia, made from their excellent ISO 100 panchromatic emulsion. It is
sold under their Efke brand name, under the Macophot brand name, and as
Jessops brand film (Jessops is a UK retail chain).

Efke and Macophot films are sold as ISO 100 speed films while Jessops calls
theirs an ISO 200 speed film, apparently having to do with the way they
process it in-house. 100 is the correct speed for processing in D-76 at 7
minutes (20/68 degrees). It is capable of making images of great physical
beauty.

The Efke factory also packages a very good ISO 100 color transparency film
(E6 processing) for sale by Maco as Macochrome.

The Efke and Maco films are offered on my commercial web site,
http:/www.frugalphotographer.com. I have posted examples there of the films
in use.

Kodak emulsions that are available from some suppliers are, as noted
elsewhere, slit from 60 or 70mm width master rolls and re-spooled by hand.
This is an effective and relatively economical way to get Kodak, if that's
what you want.

You can re-spool salvaged spools and backing paper with ISO 160 color print
film (C-41 process) if you use unperforated 46mm film, which is often
available on eBay. Kodak and Agfa are readily available. Fuji is rarely seen
and is a special-order item. It's a standard material used by school
photographers in long-roll cameras.

The original 127 was "vest pocket" size film, 46mm wide. Frugal Photographer
should have pre-cut lengths of this film available for shipment by the end
of February (they're in transit now from Canada to the US shipping
facility).

--
David Foy
http://www.frugalphotographer.com


From: log-house@mindspring.com (Dirk)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 film sources
Date: 20 Feb 2003 

I just purchased 7 rolls of Macophot UP 100 B&W; from Freestyle. This
was my first order from them. I found that they had about the
cheapest prices,$3.99, ($25 order min) with reasonable shipping
charges via FedEx. They were quick also, 5 days from order to receipt
and I'm clear across the country from them.

FWIW,
Dirk
...



From: Lassi lahippel@ieee.org
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 46mm film - what for?
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003



steven.sawyer@banet.net wrote:
>
> I see that Kodak still makes Portra 160 in 46mm unperforated stock.  I
> once saw a studio camera on eBay that used this film.  I would have
> bought it if Kodak, or anyone else made a standard E6 version.  C41 in
> odd sizes would be even more difficult process and print.  Who's using
> this stuff?  My assumption is that it's designed for long roll studio
> cameras that take a 35mm frame horizontally and therefore can shoot
> literally hundreds of shots.  Any MF camera out there with a back that
> would let you use this stuff for 645 (almost) work?

The Frugal Photographer seems to sell it to type 127 respoolers...
http://www.frugalphotographer.com/cat02.htm

-- Lassi


From: Marv Soloff msoloff@worldnet.att.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Fresh 620 Film
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 

Heads up - I don't where B&H; got this Kodak film, but it is supposed to
be fresh 620 and 127 spooled film:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh3.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=CatalogActivator__Acatalog_html___CatID=336___SID=F41212E2DB0
Regards,

Marv


From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: definition of "medium format"?
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 


Roland, from what I've read 127 was the first "miniature" format film. Most
people today say 35mm "format", but years ago there were many choices i.e.
127, 35mm and "Bantam" (828). There are actually some 127 cameras that sport
Elmar lenses and shoot vertical 24mmX36mm exposures, they're the only 127
folders that go for big money on eBay (I guess due to Leica collectors). I
have a very old roll of 127 film (probably teens/twenties) and it does not
have the numbering for 4x4. That came in the 1930s with the "Sports" Rollei.
To get the 3x4 they used to use two windows. 44 to me is the grey area
between "miniature" and "medium" formats and 6x9 (2x3) to me is the grey area
between medium and large formats. I've seen 2"x3" prints in people's photo
albums so to me that's the smallest format you could make contact prints of
for actual use. 127 film also could produce 4x6 (46) exposures, although I
believe overall those cameras are in the minority. I would say 46 is medium
format as it is just shy of 645.

Roland wrote:

> Is "medium format" related to any size of film between 35mm and 4"x5", not
> inclusive? What about 127 film? Was that medium format when it was around?
> And how about 35mm panoramic cameras. They take a wider picture than
> standard 35mm. Are they medium format cameras as well?
>
> First we shall take sides. Next we will draw up the battle plans.


From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: Baby Rollei !! Just Ebayed one Tell me about em!!
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 

Flip that around, 46mm is the same as 127 film but without the backing, and usually
only sold in bulk rolls.

saprising wrote:

> Did not receive the complete thread on this, so this may be redundant:
> Was 127 film the same size as 46mm but without the backing?
> Mike



From: steven.sawyer@banet.net
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 size film
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 

127 film is 46mm wide (I've also read 47mm). The most popular formats are
3x4cm, 4x6.5cm and 4x4cm (44). Some Brownie cameras used the film right to the
edge and so approached a 645 exposure. There were also cameras that exposed a
24x36mm vertical exposure.

Thom wrote:

> rgivan@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >NOSPAMmatko@picasso.hr (Dabar) wrote:
> >
> >> if I offered some on ebay with actual shipping cost there would be any
> >> interest ? Just a thought...
> >
> >Well I think it is worth a try. I bought 2 rolls of Jessops 127 film which
> >I believe is from the same factory. It was 4.99 GBP each - and was easy to
> >process - though I picked a hot day to load the development tank and had a
> >few problems getting the film onto the spool. Not a fault with the film
> >though.
> >
> >The camera I used was an Agfa Speedex '0'.
>
> Favor please? Could you measure the width of your 127 film and tell
> us how wide the fim is and how wide the image is in MM's?
>
> Thanks :-)
> >Roland.
> >http://www.rolandandcaroline.co.uk/


From: durrago@hotmail.com (Brian Weiss)
Newsgroups: rec.photo.equipment.medium-format
Subject: Re: 127 size film
Date: 6 Jul 2003 

steven.sawyer@banet.net wrote in message news:<3F04F3CF.1B1BE4D0@banet.net>...
> The cheapest importer of Efke in the US is J&C; www.jandcphoto.com. They are on
> eBay often. If you can beat their price you will have a market. Film buyers
> are cheap, cheap, cheap. What we in the US would like to know is who produces
> the Macochrome E6 127 sized product. I'm confident that the film is rolled and
> packaged in the Efke plant but I don't believe that the film itself is
> manufactured by Efke. Can you find out for us?
> Thanks


The Macochrome is Solaris 100 cut and rolled at the Efke factory. I'd
also be a bit cautious about film bought at the factory outlet store.
The new films get shipped to Maco, Fotoimpex Germany. Photax, and
JandC in the US because that is where the hard currency is. What's
left over or outdated/redated is typically what goes to the factory
stores.





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