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Creative Commons -NC Licenses Considered Harmful (Internet)

By Eloquence
Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 11:44:33 AM EST

Internet

When the Creative Commons project published its first licenses in December 2002, it finally brought a sense of unity behind the free content movement. Instead of many scattered licenses, creators now have the option to pick the right license for their work using a simple tool. They only have to answer basic questions like: "Allow commercial uses? Allow modifications?"

The tool then recommends one of the licenses developed by the Creative Commons team. They are legally sane, simple documents, specially adapted for various jurisdictions. In short, the Creative Commons project has made life a lot easier for everyone wanting to share content.

One particular licensing option, however, is a growing problem for the free content community. It is the allow non-commercial use only (-NC) option. The "non-commercial use only" variants of the Creative Commons licenses are non-free, and in some ways worse than traditional copyright law -- because it can be harder to move away from them once people have made the choice.


There may be circumstances where -NC is the only (and therefore best) available option, but that number of circumstances should decrease as the business models around free content evolve. The key problems with -NC licenses are as follows:

  1. They make your work incompatible with a growing body of free content, even if you do want to allow derivative works or combinations.
  2. They may rule out other basic uses which you want to allow.
  3. They support current, near-infinite copyright terms.
  4. They are unlikely to increase the potential profit from your work, and a share-alike license serves the goal to protect your work from exploitation equally well.
1) Incompatibility

Free content is no longer a fringe movement -- it is something millions of people use every day. Wikipedia, a free content encyclopedia built by volunteers, contains over 2 million entries in more than 100 languages and is among the largest 50 websites on the planet. Moreover, its growth continues, as does its integration into search engines. Google features Wikipedia definitions in some queries, as well as through the integration of Wikipedia mirror Answers.com in the top right corner of search results. Other search engines, such as Amazon.com's A9, Clusty.com, and Web.de have even integrated Wikipedia directly into their user interfaces.

This success if the result of less than 5 years of work. Clearly, free content is here to stay. But, in part to make uses like the above possible, free content sites like Wikipedia explicitly allow and encourage commercial use. As we will see, there are many desirable commercial uses. More importantly, however, if you choose an -NC license, your work will not be compatible with Wikipedia, Wikinews, Wikibooks, and similar free content projects.

One reason for this is that licenses like Wikipedia's, the GNU Free Documentation License, work according to the copyleft (or, in Creative Commons terminology, "share-alike") principle: You can make derivative works, but they have to be licensed under the same terms. You cannot make a derivative work through addition of -NC content, as you can no longer apply the (more liberal) "share-alike" license to the entire work.

Even where the license allows it, marking up regions of content as non-commercial and consistently following these boundaries is almost impossible in a collaborative environment. Imagine a website with collaboratively edited text that is partially -NC licensed. As text is copied from one region to another and modifications are made, it is likely that the license will be violated, or that it will have to be applied to more and more text to stay legally safe.

Finally, many free content communities reject -NC licenses simply for philosophical reasons like the ones outlined in this document. For example, the Wikimedia Commons, a media repository operated by Wikipedia's Wikimedia Foundation and containing more than 200,000 files, does not allow uploads under restrictive licenses such as the -NC variants. Yet, it is an immensely powerful archive: Any file in the Commons is instantly usable in all Wikimedia projects, in all languages.

Communities like Wikimedia do not exist for their own gain -- they try to provide and archive free content. Putting your own content under a license recognized by these communities will keep it alive, and will encourage people to make active use of it in many different contexts.

2) Basic uses

What is commercial use? The relevant clause out of Creative Commons non-commercial ("-NC") licenses, such as the "Attribution-NonCommercial" license, is this one:

You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You ... in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation.

Many bloggers and blog communities on the web use advertising as a way to recoup costs and generate income. Popular bloggers, from Andrew Sullivan to Markos Zúniga (Dailykos), have turned their hobbies into professions, but even smaller publications often use Google Ads to make some extra money. Ask yourself if you really want to stop all these individuals from using your work.

Other examples of commercial uses include compilations which are sold. For example, if one MP3 music file which is licensed for non-commercial use only is included among thousands on a DVD collecting free music and sold for a small personal profit, that is a violation of the license. Note that it is not the amount of the financial gain which matters, it is the intention of the user. Intentions are, of course, difficult to prove, and in many cases, it is best to be cautious. In any case, any use in a corporate context would almost certainly forbidden, such as the inclusion of the file on a CD bundled with a computer magazine.

3) Existing copyright terms

For a long time, international copyright law has been written by content distributors. This has resulted in effectively infinite copyright terms. A work which is published in 2010 will remain protected until 2100 if the author dies in 2030 (the duration of protection in the United States and Europe is "life of the author plus 70 years"). This does not even take into account possible future, retroactive copyright term extensions (nor, of course, reductions -- but these have never happened so far).

While you may feel you are making a donation to the public domain when licensing your work under an -NC variant, you are effectively supporting the existing, extremely long international copyright terms. The restrictions on commercial use will remain in place until the copyright of your work expires which, for most practical purposes, is never.

To solve this problem, you could specify that the work falls back to a more permissive license such as CC-BY (attribution only), or to the public domain, after 5 years or any other amount. You could also choose a more permissive license to begin with.

4) Profit!

The most obvious argument in favor of -NC licenses is that they prevent your work from commercial exploitation by others. However, keep in mind that in this age, distribution is something which cannot just be done by large corporations -- it can be done by anyone with an Internet connection or a DVD burner. Even large files like movies can be effectively distributed using mechanisms such as BitTorrent. This means that if your work is popular and of high quality, it will be available on the Internet for free -- because the license makes it possible.

The moment you choose any Creative Commons license, you choose to give away your work. Any market built around content which is available for free must either rely on goodwill or ignorance.

The potential to benefit financially from mere distribution is therefore quite small. Where it exists due to a predominance of old media, it is likely to disappear rapidly. The people who are likely to be hurt by an -NC license are not large corporations, but small publications like weblogs, advertising-funded radio stations, or local newspapers.

Indeed, to make a substantial profit with your work, a company will have to provide added value beyond what is available for free. An -NC license stops any such attempt to add value in its tracks. But there is an alternative. The Creative Commons "Share-Alike" licenses require any work derived from your own to be made available as free content, as a whole. (The licenses without a share-alike clause only guarantee that the part of the work created by you remains free.) Any company trying to exploit your work will have to make their "added value" available for free to everyone. Seen like this, the "risk" of exploitation turns into a potentially powerful benefit.

This principle works very well in many areas of free content and free software development. Most notably, the Linux operating system kernel is licensed under a share-alike (or copyleft) license. Many companies make use of customized versions of the kernel, for example, to include it in embedded devices. All improvements made by these companies can be used by the main Linux kernel development team. If the kernel was under an -NC license, the commercial use of Linux would be impossible.

Another interesting tale of commercial use is the German DVD version of Wikipedia. Produced by a company called Directmedia, it has quickly become a bestseller in Amazon.de's software category. Yet, to make that DVD, Directmedia had to cooperate with Wikipedians -- who helped to prepare the data by making it searchable and sortable, and to weed out articles not ready for publication. Directmedia has, in return, donated a substantial percentage of the profits from the DVD to Wikipedia's mother organization. It has also made a separate "donation" of 10,000 reproductions of public domain paintings to the Wikimedia Commons.

The Wikipedia DVD was a working business model because it provided added value: an offline reader software which did not previously exist, combined with a well-organized effort to whip the content into shape. It also showed that beyond the copyleft principles, any highly successful cooperation with commercial entities around free content is likely to depend on mutual goodwill. Another illustration of the same principle is Answers.com, a commercial Wikipedia mirror, whose parent company pays for one of Wikimedia's developers, and has also been one of the sponsors of Wikimedia's 2005 conference, Wikimania. None of this is required by the license.

Commercial use can be highly mutually beneficial where it does occur. The Share-Alike principle protects you from abusive exploitation, while not forbidding experiments. These experiments, however, are essential to build a true, innovative economy around free content. Especially when dealing with collaborative works, -NC makes such commercial experiments practically impossible, as every single contributor would have to give explicit permission.

Conclusions

The use of an -NC license is very rarely justifiable on economic or ideological grounds. It excludes many people, from free content communities to small scale commercial users, while the decision to give away your work for free already eliminates most large scale commercial uses. If you want to protect yourself against large scale exploitation, use a Share-Alike license. This applies doubly to governments and educational or scientific institutions: content which is of high cultural or educational value should be made available under conditions which will ensure its widespread use.

If you see work online which is licensed under an -NC license, please kindly thank the creator for making their work available for free, and ask them to change the license (feel free to include a copy of this text, or a link to the network location where you found it).

As a project with the goal to make licensing choices simple, Creative Commons has a responsibility to inform its users about the drawbacks of licenses which forbid commercial uses. Many individuals who choose an -NC license are unaware of the implications of such a decision. Hopefully, the license selection screen will include a brief summary of the arguments against licenses which forbid commercial use soon.

Finally, if you must use such a license for one reason or another, please do add an additional notice specifying the term of copyright protection you desire for your work. Otherwise, traditional copyright law will apply, and commercial use will be forbidden long beyond your death.

Erik Möller 2005. This article is in the public domain. Feel free to use it for any purpose. It is also a living document whose editable main copy resides at http://www.intelligentdesigns.net/Licenses/NC. You are encouraged, but not required, to include this notice.

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Poll
Should Creative Commons warn content users about the potential problems with -NC licenses?
o Yes, in the "more info" popup for the license choice 45%
o No, because I disagree with your arguments against them 10%
o No, because it should be apolitical on the issue 16%
o Other 4%
o I don't really care. I just live here. 22%

Votes: 48
Results | Other Polls

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o Wikinews
o Wikibooks
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o Directmedia
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Creative Commons -NC Licenses Considered Harmful | 107 comments (100 topical, 7 editorial, 9 hidden)
Updates (none / 0) (#107)
by Eloquence on Sun Sep 25th, 2005 at 03:54:25 AM EST

Here's a diff showing changes that have been made to the article since its first publication here. As you can see, I have added quite a few arguments from the discussion. I'd like to thank everyone who participated in it, and hope that the document will be a meaningful contribution to the continuing debate about licensing choices.
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Copyright law is bad: infoAnarchy · Pleasure is good: Origins of Violence
spread the word!
Using -NC to get notified of commercial use (none / 1) (#105)
by martinroell on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 03:31:31 PM EST
(martin@roell.net) http://www.roell.net/weblog/

I work as a freelance consultant and speaker and regularly publish material from my talks and seminars online under a CC-license. Often I choose an NC-license.

I do this not because I don't want commercial use - in contrary! I would like other people to use my work to build on it! If they can even have a commercial success with it - great! (As the article points out, the "share alike" part is sufficient to prevent "exploitational" use without giving back to the community.) But - and this is the reason why I choose -NC - I would like to be notified of commercial uses of my work.

I do not want someone to build on my work and use it commercially without notifying me. At the moment, the only way to ensure that I am notified that I see, is to publish under an NC-license and point out in the published material that I do encourage commercial use but would like to be contacted. (See a recent example here (link is in German).)

A friend of mine suggested that I could set up an email autoresponder which would automatically re-license the work first published under -NC as a simple BY-SA when it is mailed to. It's an odd idea but maybe good enough.

It doesn't solve the core problem though: Licensing under -NC discourages commercial use. A license option that would not have a "barred dollar" icon but something that suggests "commercial use allowed when you notify the creator of the works" would be better (for me). (I wrote about this in German a while ago.)

After reading this article I understand the negative consequences that -NC has much better. (Thanks, Erik!) As I doubt that an option like I outlined will be added to the CC licensing process, I think I will publish my works under a more open, not-NC-license in the future, adding a note that I would like to be notified. The possibility that somebody ignores that seems a fair tradeoff against the benefits of a more open license.

The NC license works if there is a single creator (3.00 / 2) (#103)
by Highlander on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:32:54 AM EST
http://www.armyofanubis.net/hylZee/

The point of the NC license is that the creator of the works can be contacted to issue a license the someone.

This makes sense if the works is for example a text which does not undergo heavy editing.

It does not make sense when the works will be used in such a way that the information who is the copyright holder will get lost, or when it can be expected that in the course of the project, the works will be mixed with works by other creators.

(Because then you will not be able to contact anyone to get their (paid-for) permission for commercial use)

Shrinking Range (none / 1) (#98)
by adavies42 on Thu Sep 15th, 2005 at 11:03:42 AM EST

"Popular bloggers, from Andrew Sullivan to Markos Zúniga (Dailykos)"--a rather small range these days, and steadily shrinking.

No one uses my web art to sell widgets! (2.66 / 3) (#89)
by EileenK on Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 01:27:32 PM EST
(ehkuhall7@tacheiru.every1.net) http://tacheiru.us/unfettered

All my newer pages have gone under a share alike and noncommercial creative commons license. Most of these have been site fighting teams and for this kind of a site a noncommercial creative commons license makes sense. Here is an example.

The creative commons license frees up all the art work for use with modification on spirit pages and encourages fighters to share what they make from my art with the rest of their teams. (I run two teams plus a competition of my own.)

Commercial sites rarely site fight and if any one is running a blog with Adwords on it (as opposed to a site on something like Geocities where the ads are imposed from without and the site creator doesn't make any money) I might talk to them politely about setting up a separate spirit page away from the blog. A spirit page is a page that advertises the competition and the team.

Since I am throwing my art work up for grabs, I want it used to promote the competition and team and to encourage others to make similar art work. I don't want it used to sell something or to go in someone's web set collection where it gets sold for twenty dollars. I despise store bought web sets.

So far no one is tearing down the door for my art work, but it feels good knowing that no one can use it to sell widgets.

I also despise no-right-click and the share alike provision prevents those who adopt my art work from locking it down in that manner.



Not always bad (2.75 / 4) (#86)
by Shano on Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 07:08:03 AM EST
http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/s0095716/

If your intention is that your work be used by others, then the -NC license can cause problems.  However, it does have a second use: in allowing concessions where otherwise normal copyright would apply.

When I release software, it's normally under a free license (I like the MIT license, since it's one of the shortest).  Most of my software is never released at all, and it's simple enough that I doubt I could profit from it if I tried.

I'm also interested in drawing, painting and photography, and have a number of pictures on my web site.  Arguably, there's no difference between these and software - they're both creative works.  But where software can always benefit from more input, I see my drawings (poor though they may be) as finished pieces, and I don't want other people to profit from them without even asking first - obviously because I'm a selfish individual, or maybe just because I haven't fully bought into the free content thing.

So currently, I have no stated policy on distribution, meaning normal copyright applies.  An -NC license would allow other people to distribute and modify works in much the same way as they do anyway (Photoshop contests, for example), but states that formally - certainly a good thing.

-NC can be harmful in collaberative efforts, but there is nothing wrong with using it for individual works that would otherwise remain under full copyright.


political eterodoxy about non-commercial licences (2.40 / 5) (#85)
by blicero on Wed Sep 14th, 2005 at 04:26:48 AM EST

As a left-wing political activist, to me the real point of seeing non-commercial CC licence as harmful toward the movement for free content is completely different from the one described in the article. The main point to me is that non-commercial licences move the issue from property to commerce. The real thing about free content movement is the dismembering of the concept of property, basically leading to a necessary restructuring of subjectivity towards freedom and new forms of conceiving knowledges and creative and social production. Non-commercial licences basically leave a lot of free content "activists" in the comfortable dream of living outside a market society and brings them to identify the wrong target in terms of fight. While free share-alike derivative-allowing licences point much more directly at the heart of the problem: property.

Man, some of you guys really like (1.20 / 10) (#76)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Tue Sep 13th, 2005 at 01:45:07 PM EST
http://keyofachkin.blogspot.com/

this wankapedia thing.

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Read the thrilling adventures of Amon and The Key of Achkin. Don't be no sukka.

dude, did you just link to alexa? [nt] (1.00 / 4) (#75)
by the77x42 on Tue Sep 13th, 2005 at 12:19:14 PM EST
(d@ve.smells)




This is not a lie... or is it...yes, it is...? ־‮־
NC considered usefull (3.00 / 6) (#70)
by grumbel on Tue Sep 13th, 2005 at 06:15:40 AM EST
(grumbel@gmx.de) http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/

Sure if you just distribute a small piece of work, say a clipart or a short Wiki article, NC might do more harm then good, but if somebody writes a book or a equally large piece of work I think he deserves some compensation for that. NC gurantees that no publisher comes along picks up the text, prints it and makes lots of money without ever letting the author see any of it. After all a publisher who has been in the business for a while might have a much easier time distributing work then the artists who might already be busy enough with actually creating it in the first place. Without NC the author would either have to go completly proprietary or create a do-it-yourself license. So NC is actually very usefull and its easy to justify it.

On the other hand the no-derived work clause is IMHO far more problematic, since it hinders any creative use or even maintaince of the work, resulting in the same deadlock that you get with normal copyrighted work. What good would be a CC-by-nd japanese anime movie if one wouldn't even have the right to add subtitles? Or what good would be a song in .wav format, to large to easily distribute, it without the right to convert it? A CC-by-nc licensed one on the other side would be far more usefull, since the only people harmed by the limitations are those that trying to make money of it.


Missing the point (2.90 / 11) (#69)
by clawDATA on Tue Sep 13th, 2005 at 06:13:50 AM EST

-NC allows musicians to share work with their audience, and prevents evil scumbag record labels from making a profit while the artist gets nothing. In other words, it puts the power in the artists corner.

In the late nineties I released a moderately successful album through a label which sold pretty well and made it to the top of several charts (dance, and alternative), especially in the UK and Canada. Do you want to know how much I made from it? Absolutely nothing!

Now everything I release is -NC. Occasionally I get an email by someone making a compilation and I get the choice of saying yes or no. If it's a big commercial compilation I also get to say how much $.

If I wasn't releasing -NC I'd still be in the frustrating position of watching people make money of my work while getting nothing. This way nobody makes any money, which is fine by me.

-NC has its place.

CC NC still does have uses (3.00 / 6) (#62)
by rjnagle on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 11:37:09 PM EST

This is a rather profound analysis of an issue which I have identified and written about in several places. (See for example here:
Creative Commons Licenses: Doubts and Questions
and Commercial Use Questions ).

And believe it or not, I am in the middle of a THIRD piece on the same subject.

That said, I am a big fan of what creative commons stands for, and I think it has done a lot of good.

And btw, I am now negotiating something where CC noncommercial has come in enormously handy. A publisher is close to letting me distribute a noncommercial ebook version of an out-of-print novel through Project Gutenberg if it carries a CC/NC license.  That is precisely a case where CC/NC works.

CC noncommercial licenses were originally developed in response to music sharing, and CC people really didn't think through the artist compensation issue, only the specific case whether  mp3s could be shared.  It's not as great a solution for literary works for example.

One impact of noncommercial licenses is that it makes it very hard to start pro-CC sites and allow them to seek advertising or subscriptions. The only person who can advertise or sell a work is the owner and originator, who probably is not in a good position to do so. Site EULA's can take care of this problem, but if you get to that point, what's the point of even bothering with CC licenses?  

I'm trying to come up with a way to publicize and promote Creative Commons content and yet make a little bit of money, if only to pay for webhosting.  Advertising, membership, tipjars?

If creative commons becomes the dominant legal framework for creative works, that will make the tipjar model (where one rewards artists directly instead of buying their works) more viable.

The commercial clause is vague and needs clarification. The key question is: should cnn.com have the right to reprint a NC CC work on cnn.com ? Why or why not?

 I could foresee another form of CC licenses which allow the ability to use advertising. CC could offer  two tiers of commercial use:

  1. selling the work in exchange for money
  2. deriving some indirect financial benefit through advertising/membership.
That makes CC less simple, but perhaps more realistic.

BTW, here's language I use on my  CC A NC label:


Clarification on Commercial Use. There is some ambiguity in the creative commons license about what constitutes "commercial use" of a creative commons work. If you are running a website supported by advertising, but if the stories are free to view or download, I do not consider that to be commercial use of my creative work. The key word in that previous sentence is "free." If the work is not available for free, I consider that to be commercial use. As long as your republication of my work is free, attributed with URL and Author's name and properly labeled as Creative Commons, there is no problem. .

In an age of independent distribution, what an artist needs most is not NC protection or even protection derivative works but rights of Attribution. Just link to me dammit!

Finally, this article  identifies a key shortcoming of CC:  irrevocability. If I use one version of a license for a work, and a month later, I use another, which license applies?

Why -NC is needed (3.00 / 5) (#54)
by OpAmp on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 04:57:19 PM EST

The article makes a point about a single piece of music that cannot be included in a compilation because it is licensed under -NC. This is one opposite. Let us consider another one.

Suppose, I made a music album, available under an -SA (not -NC) license. Suppose, further, that someone takes that music album, creates some crappy cover art, and sells the CDs at the usual price. The fact that the album can be freely shared legally does not really impact the business model, since we know that the music is shared anyway, and this fact has to be taken into the account while doing the business planning. (And even if we believe that there is no widespread illegal copying, selling a first batch of someone's else album is still a very profitable endeavor, due to practically zero development costs.) Question: why should I give anyone license to profit off my work under the guise of a minimal added value, without sharing with me?

And the danger is not theoretical; I have seen this exact model at work applied to a GPL'd software project.

As demonstrated by the above example, contrary to the popular belief, copyleft (-SA, GPL) does not protect the rights of the author, only the "freedom" of the work. Taking this into account, -NC seems to be a reasonable solution for larger pieces of work, such as books, music albums, or even software, that can be marketed individually. I am however tempted to agree with the author, that for short works, -NC can be more trouble than it is worth.

Theory vs Practice (2.60 / 5) (#46)
by chato on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 01:05:43 PM EST
(chato-at-chato.cl) http://www.chato.cl/

As far as the theory is concerned, I agree that Non-Commercial is not Free. However, on the practical side, I think many people won't share their creations unless you explicitly tell them that they don't risk loosing money, and that if somebody wants to use their work to make money, s/he has to ask for explicit permission.

The idea of Creative Commons is to create a set of options between "all rights reserved" and "no rights reserved", and in that sense, the non-commercial clause doesn't hurt.



+1FP, bashes Creative Commons (1.60 / 15) (#44)
by Pat Chalmers on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 11:47:59 AM EST

Creative Commons is fucken' gay. Actually, viral licenses in general are retarded. If you really have created something that will help the world, don't be a dick and try to keep your clammy mitts on it with copyright. Make it public domain. If you're not gonna do that, don't cocktease us by offering it to us...with strings attached.

-1, boring license wankery. (1.14 / 14) (#43)
by Pooping in Urinals on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 11:35:01 AM EST


"...[T]he first midget amputee getting bukkaked by 20 japanese buddhist monks and I bet your gonna say 'well thats what the miscellaneous column is for.'" -- army of phred

aah (1.50 / 6) (#40)
by tkatchevzombie on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 08:23:22 AM EST

at last, an interesting arcticle

-1, mentions wankapedia $$$$$ (1.18 / 16) (#39)
by Egil Skallagrimson on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 08:05:15 AM EST
http://keyofachkin.blogspot.com/


----------------

Read the thrilling adventures of Amon and The Key of Achkin. Don't be no sukka.

intelligence considered harmful (2.20 / 5) (#38)
by United Fools on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 07:00:40 AM EST
(unitedfools@yahoo.com) http://www.geocities.com/united_fools/

Without intelligence, there would be no evil and no harm in this world.


Q: What kind of fool are you?
A: We are the United Fools!

Sharealike (2.71 / 7) (#36)
by ffrinch on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 05:16:12 AM EST
(sam at) http://rephrase.net

Sharealike doesn't always protect you from exploitation. Copyleft only works with software because there's nothing physical to sell that isn't trivial to copy. There's nothing stopping a publisher from printing and marketing a CC-licensed book intended for 'net distribution as a dead-tree edition, say. Most people have neither the equipment nor inclination to copy it, whether they're licensed to or not.

And there are situations where it doesn't matter at all. Hosting copies of the Wikipedia is already a strategy for getting ad revenue and looking less like a spam site; I don't want anything I produce -- even random blog crap -- to be used the same way. I imagine the spammer would be delighted to have their porn and gambling ads shared all over the place.

Fair use already covers many reasonable uses of a work, and there's nothing stopping creators giving more liberal licenses to people who ask for them. Isn't that enough?

The real bad eggs are the ND/no-derivative-work licenses. There's still plenty of public utility in a non-commercial copyleft; there's very little in free-as-in-beer content.

-◊-
"I learned the hard way that rock music ... is a powerful demonic force controlled by Satan." — Jack Chick

So, which content licensed under -NC... (2.57 / 7) (#35)
by Viliam Bur on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 05:02:40 AM EST
(alexander2000@post.sk) http://www.fantastika.sk

...would you like to sell without paying the author?

Maybe a more fitting title would be: "Paying to authors for commercial use of their work Considered Harmful"

If you see work online which is licensed under an -NC license, please kindly thank the creator for making their work available for free, and ask them to change the license (feel free to include a copy of this text, or a link to the network location where you found it).

So, you also want an advertising and PageRank for free. Nice, what else?

Rarely justifiable? (2.70 / 10) (#30)
by SoupIsGoodFood on Mon Sep 12th, 2005 at 12:08:39 AM EST
http://soupisgoodfood.net

Some of us want exactly what we say. I have the images in my photo gallery under by-nc-sa 2.0 because that's what I want. I'm aware that this is very imcompatable with other licences, such a Wikipedia, but this is not what I intended the licence to be for. I basicly wanted people to be able to use them for personal use, and to be able to distrubute to others for peronal use.

In reality, it may be similar to full copyright, but it sends out a different message.

I do think that people should be made more aware of the conseqences of using each licence, though.

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/ Photo gallery | Homepage \

-1 Good heavens... (2.62 / 8) (#28)
by A synx on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:49:57 PM EST

You're trying to scare us with shadows!  There's nothing wrong with the NC creative commons' license at all, nor is it harmful, nor is it elitest.  Would you also agree that a "-NM" (not to be used for military purposes) license is harmful?  How about a "no-genocide?"  Straw man, I know, but think about it.  Is it harmful for people to publish things for research purposes only?  Isn't it rather one of the strongest underpinnings of our society?  Where would we be if we didn't have government funded research laboratories?

Saying that the NC license will hurt innovation is like the old saw about the GPL.  Got news for you, if I produce something for the good of society, people can and will prevent me from being heard, so that they can exclusively distribute it for their own commercial profit.  Unless I have an -NC license.  Got news for you, there's only so much money to go around, so if someone else profits off the work that I give away for free, then rich people just got a little bit richer.

+1 FP (2.66 / 6) (#27)
by t1ber on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 11:18:59 PM EST
(josh_at_knarrnia_dot_com) http://www.knarrnia.com

This is probably the first thing to come through the queue in a week that's been worth +1FPing.  I occaisionally got tired of seeing "-CC" and "-NC" but it doesn't break the article.

-1 WIKIPEDOPHILE (1.42 / 26) (#24)
by Hung Fu on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 08:34:11 PM EST
http://www.thyla.com/


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Kill the Terrorists! Spruce up Jesus!

This article is horrible. (1.41 / 24) (#20)
by lonelyhobo on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 07:30:45 PM EST
(lonelyhobo at gmail.com)

While it may be somewhat well-written, it is the most myopic head stuck up your ass piece of wankery I've ever fucking seen.

Has CC ever been used for any worthwhile purpose?  Will it? No. Go post this on livejournal or tweetsygalore's diary, because only arrogant self-pretentious twats give a damn about licensing something that's going to be read by at most 1*10^-7 percent of the population.

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Better... (2.83 / 6) (#17)
by The Amazing Idiot on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 07:08:31 PM EST

Non-commercial than none at all.

I agree, and it's rarely necessary anyway (2.77 / 9) (#15)
by Delirium on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 06:54:29 PM EST
(delirium-k5@hackish.org)

I'm more familiar with the case of software licensing than open-content licensing, but I think at least a few of the principles apply. A large proportion of software licenses released under "non-commercial use" or "research purposes only" and similar licenses really could achieve the same aims with a copyleft license, and would have the added benefit of getting some good press.

The biggest fear of many people and companies releasing work seems to be that a competitor will simply take their stuff and use it. For the most part, though, major commercial competitors are unwilling to use copylefted works anyway, because the price of releasing their own works under the same license is simply too high. Therefore someone wanting to make a free "non-commercial" release coexist with a for-pay "commercial" version of their product could simply use a copyleft license—in practice, most companies will opt to pay for a non-copyleft "commercial" license than submit to the terms of the copyleft license, and the person still makes their money.

Read my diary.

+1, sensible discussion of license issues. (1.87 / 8) (#10)
by alby on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 06:09:22 PM EST
(alby@bleary-id.co.uk)

I'll vote FP.

As an aside, I generally dislike attaching licenses to K5 stories but as licenses go this is the best one I've seen yet:

"This article is in the public domain. Feel free to use it for any purpose ... You are encouraged, but not required, to include this notice."

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Alby <alby@bleary-id.co.uk>

I think you overstate the problem (2.88 / 9) (#4)
by nuntius on Sun Sep 11th, 2005 at 04:45:03 PM EST
(kuro5hin.z.nuntius@spamgourmet.com) http://tentpost.com

For example, a short session at creativecommons.org resulted in a page saying "You have selected the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License".

By my understanding, this invalidates your claim under (1) Incompatibility, paragraph three.

Yeah, the non-commercial licenses may impose more restrictions than some users realize.  That's a user-education problem, not an issue with the licenses themselves.  Original authors can always re-release under less restrictive conditions at a later time.  CC is trying to distribute licenses to fit *any* sane needs instead of trying to impose an "ideal" license.

Quote from the CC help-box on the noncommercial choice:
"The licensor permits others to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work. In return, licensees may not use the work for commercial purposes -- unless they get the licensor's permission."

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