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A Tale of Two Osamas (News)

By marktaw
Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 07:30:28 PM EST

Politics

There are some interesting, and telling, differences between the CNN translation of Osama bin Laden's speech, and Aljazeera's.


The Aljazeera version is here: Transcript of bin Ladin's speech

The CNN version is here: Bin Laden: 'Your security is in your own hands'

There are plenty of the normal differences you get with two different translations of the same work, but each one has some omissions that are very telling.

First Difference

The CNN version reads:

But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet.

The Aljazeera version reads:

But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the America/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

The events that affected my soul in a difficult way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American 6th fleet helped them in that.

And the whole world saw and heard but did not respond.

Second Difference

The CNN version reads:

The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries.

Then, what happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders.

The Aljazeera version reads:

This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Senior to the region at a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries. All of a sudden he was affected by these monarchies and military regimes and became jealous of their remaining decades in their position to embezzle the public wealth of the Nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act under the pretences of fighting terrorism.

In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration.

Third Difference

The Aljazeera version reads:

But because it seemed to him that occupying himself by talking to the little girl about the goat and its butting was more important than occupying himself with the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers we were given three times the period required to execute the operations. All praise is due to Allah.

But the CNN version reads:

He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events.

Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential nominee John] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.

A side by side comparison can be found here: A Tale of Two Osamas

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A Tale of Two Osamas | 186 comments (179 topical, 7 editorial, 0 hidden)
A missing "not" in transcript (none / 0) (#182)
by guyd on Sat Nov 13th, 2004 at 06:46:38 AM EST
(guyd@NOSPAM.zip.com.au) http://everist.org

URLs of Bin Laden 'pre-election' address to Americans

Aljazeera transcript of English subtitles on video:
  http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm
AFP translation of Arabic to English:
  http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=32295
Aljazeera's own excerpts:
  http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8BAF429F-BADD-40E2-AD66-712FCF7D7A95.htm

Video: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F/53232/Binladin.asf
2.4MB   5 minutes 24 sec, not counting aljazeera pre & post amble. So it is not the same edit as put to air (4 minutes), nor the full tape (18 minutes.)
This has English subtitles (too blurred to read), however it looks like they were added to the video by Aljazeera, since they form part of a fancy station logo graphic and border to the smaller frame containing the bin Laden clip. Bin Laden is reading from notes (no teleprompter), and there are a few edit cuts. So we still don't know whether the 'full transcript from Aljazeera' text originated from bin Laden - or whether its a translation by someone else.
Pity the subtitles can't be read. Would be good to see if the 'missing not' is there, and how the text correlates with his hand gestures.

Possible error in the text:

1. Missing 'not' in aljazeera transcript:

From the aljazeera transcript:
  "...that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration..."

From the AFP translation:
  "We did not find it hard to deal with Bush and his administration..."

From the Aljazeera 'excerpts' article:
  "We had no difficulty in dealing with Bush and his administration..."

It looks pretty certain BinLaden is saying he did a deal with (or manipulated?) Bush.

I can't find any downloadable copy of the entire video. Anyone know if this exists? URL?

It is very, very sickening to read everyone and their dog misquoting excerpts from the speech, and twisting them to mean whatever they like. I still think Osama is saying 911 was Bush's idea, AlQaeda merely helped. Much else as well, not mentioned in most commentaries.

Most amazing though, is that so many people dare to discuss such things, without including a full and true transcript of the statement they are discussing. Years of media lies and distortion have resulted in most people habitually ignoring even the most blatent methods of deception.
Emphirical Philosophy Labs

The Pot and The Kettle (none / 0) (#163)
by bsdbigot on Fri Nov 5th, 2004 at 04:21:24 AM EST
(gro dot su4dsb ta nodnyl) http://bsd4us.org/

I was just wondering if maybe CBS had a translation that provides a third iteration. I trust CNN just about as much as I trust Al Jazeera.

On a more serious note, I'll bet that Adam Azzam guy is the one we should be getting to translate bin Laden's speech for us; there will likely be a lot less bias than any other translation.
<:) L

New, fuller translations (3.00 / 3) (#131)
by Tayssir John Gabbour on Tue Nov 2nd, 2004 at 07:45:15 AM EST
(tayss_temp2@yahoo.com)

These appear to be far meatier than the previous. I don't know if it's the entire tape, or what, but what I've skimmed is more interesting.

http://cryptome.org/us-eu-gap.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

The Osama Interviews (3.00 / 6) (#130)
by marktaw on Tue Nov 2nd, 2004 at 06:21:13 AM EST
http://www.marktaw.com

1996

This big mistake by the Saudi regime of inviting the American troops revealed their deception. ... The ordinary man knows that his country is the largest oil producer in the world, yet at the same time he is suffering from taxes and bad services. Now the people understand the speeches of the ulemas in the mosques - that our country has become an American colony.

1996

As for the relationship between the regime and the American occupiers, these operations have embarrassed both sides and have led to the exchange of accusations between them. So we have the Americans stating that the causes of the explosions are the bad policies of the regime and the corruption of members of the ruling family, and the regime is accusing the Americans of exceeding their authority by taking advantage of the regime and forcing it to enter into military and civil contracts which are beyond its means, which led to great economic slide which has effected the people. In addition to this is the behaviour of the Americans with crudeness and arrogance with the Saudi army and their general behaviour with citizens, and the privileges which the Americans enjoy in distinction from the Saudi forces.

1997

As for oil, it is a commodity that will be subject to the price of the market according to supply and demand. We believe that the current prices are not realistic due to the Saudi regime playing the role of a US agent and the pressures exercised by the US on the Saudi regime to increase production and flooding the market that caused a sharp decrease in oil prices.

...

We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world

...

As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places

1998

They rip us of our wealth and of our resources and of our oil. Our religion is under attack. They kill and murder our brothers. They compromise our honor and our dignity and dare we utter a single word of protest against the injustice, we are called terrorists. This is compounded injustice. And the United Nations insistence to convict the victims and support the aggressors constitutes a serious precedence which shows the extent of injustice that has been allowed to take root in this land.

...

We however, differentiate between the western government and the people of the West. If the people have elected those governments in the latest elections, it is because they have fallen prey to the Western media which portray things contrary to what they really are. And while the slogans raised by those regimes call for humanity, justice, and peace, the behavior of their governments is completely the opposite. It is not enough for their people to show pain when they see our children being killed in Israeli raids launched by American planes, nor does this serve the purpose. What they ought to do is change their governments which attack our countries.

...

The Western regimes and the government of the United States of America bear the blame for what might happen. If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests.

More at The Osama bin Laden interviews

CNN reports the release of the full transcript. (3.00 / 2) (#117)
by schickl on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 10:33:58 PM EST

Here.

Interesting how the headline is entitled "Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S." Seems a little dishonest to me. I'd say his goal is to stop the perceived oppression of his people by America. If it is not done voluntarily, then his method will be to bait the US into bankruptcy.

He sounds tired and defeated. (1.50 / 2) (#94)
by SIGNOR SPAGHETTI on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 07:17:15 PM EST

What happened to the talk of jihad? Where is his automatic rifle? Why isn't he outdoors like a proper revolutionary for Allah? Who is this guy explaining his feelings? This is the terror threat we knew and loved once? Please! This is just a little girl who dressed up like Osama for Halloween, and you are all hysterical cunts.

--
Stop dreaming and finish your spaghetti.

Who is worse? (2.96 / 28) (#89)
by zaxios on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 05:38:43 PM EST

Reading this, you must admit that Osama bin Laden was far more articulate and direct about the causes of 9/11 than both Kerry and Bush, who call it "terror" and refuse to think about it too much. Like someone else observed, both candidates are asserting "We be tough on terrorism" "I'm tough too, very tough" "terror is evil and I will fight it will he?" "I will fight it harder" as both candidates are desperate not to challenge the comfort of their constituencies with any semblance of thought. God forbid anything that forces self-examination. Because that is exactly what America has done - call it "evil", call it "terrorism", vow to "fight" it (can you really fight an ideology?) and refuse to address any American defects. The "we never do nothing wrong - they are EVIL" rhetorical approach is a wonderful way to avoid addressing real issues. The fact is that America is falling deeper and deeper into an illusionary world, where any show of strength is close enough to actual accomplishment. In truth, far from fighting the ideology created from American imperialism - the ideology that culminated in 9/11 - America has nourished it.

No, no, anything but self-examination. We've branded Osama bin Laden as "evil", so we're not going to listen to him. CNN is going to censor the tape so we don't have to consider any of the more controversial things he said, and in the interests of defending "freedom", U.S. authorities around the Arab world will try to stop his alternate world view being aired at all (al-Jazeera ignored their requests not to air it).

"All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies...And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States, even if the intentions differ... So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy." Can anyone deny that Osama bin Laden has been nothing but successful? Al-Qaeda may have been hurt since 9/11 (I personally think they've just become more decentralized), but in the process, America has hurt themselves more. Who is winning in this thoughtless show of "strength"?

Frankly, I don't give a fuck if America strengths itself into its grave. What Osama bin Laden did on 9/11 was horrific, but was it more horrific than the years and years of the U.S.'s post-WWII interventionist policies? What about their toll, both in civilian lives and in the loss of self-determination, of U.S. foreign policy? Let's think about our world, here. Our world's most powerful nation claims to fight for freedom but suppresses its own citizens' with the Patriot Act and offhand practices like "free speech zones." Our most powerful nation pretends to fight "evil" by killing tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. So its (new) prime enemy responds to America's brutality with more brutality; America responds in kind. What an uninspiring world this is. Isn't anyone going to do any good? Does such a thing exist? Is there only the pursuit of our own pragmatic interest, the lives of civilians, children be damned? If that's the case, what exactly are the differences between the U.S. and al-Qaeda?

Comparing two incomplete transcripts. (3.00 / 5) (#79)
by curveball on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 03:26:14 PM EST
(codename.curveball<<at>>gmail.com)

Your link is now pointing to the complete transcript from Al Jazeera and it does say:
In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.
No.

Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.

Perhaps you could change your story to reflect this?

Osama is the new Che! (2.57 / 7) (#78)
by cr8dle2grave on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 02:56:32 PM EST
(k5@semiosphere.info) http://semiosphere.info

All that was needed was for Osama to recast his Jihad in the tongue of leftist disaffection. Now he's prime for domestication and iconfication. Any bets on how long it will take for all right thinking campus revolutionaries and otherwise frustrated malcontents to tack the image of Osama to their walls as a badge of their impotent rage?

---
Unity of mankind means: No escape for anyone anywhere. - Milan Kundera


Internet videos (2.92 / 14) (#77)
by YelM3 on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 02:48:56 PM EST

Here is a question for you all. It seems like many of these supposed terrorist "tapes" recently have reportedly been released on the Net -- I often hear they are posted at some Islamic extremist website. But I have never once, even with the cryptomes and google-caches out there, seen a link to the original video posting, nor to the original website. Nor are the web addresses ever mentioned in the press. Now presumably these websites aren't located in Ohio, so it's not as if the feds raided them and took all their hardware. So what gives? Am I wrong about this? Where are these things actually posted, if they are indeed posted at all?

The REAL translation IS (1.12 / 16) (#75)
by sellison on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 02:31:56 PM EST
http://www.stemcellresearch.org

A vote for Kerry is a vote for the Terrorists!

Kerry will have us put our security in the hands of the UN, and surrender Iraq back to the insurgents, who will go back to using it as a training ground and funding source.

George Bush and Dick Cheney will continue the fight, wherever it takes us and how ever much it costs, they will continue right to the very lairs of the evil doers, until the evil one himself is caught and brought to Justice!

Even if the entire world is against us, we will continue this fight until the end, because it is the Right thing to do, it is not a mistake, it is simply following the lead of Justice and our Lord God!

So all real Americans should vote for George Bush if you have not done so already. To even think if voting for little boy kerry is the first stages of Treason! Actually voting for him IS Treason! Fortunatly, Right thinking Americans will NOT let him win.

So don't throw your votes away on Kerry, lefties, you may vote for Nader and not be thought a traitor when the day of reckoning comes...

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God."- George H.W. Bush

�How many ossamas? (none / 0) (#70)
by noproblema on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 12:43:02 PM EST

Today, Nov 1, aljazeera.net publish a new, longer version of the transcript, at the same location. The old version is still available as google cache.

Missing threat against Bush-voting states (1.33 / 3) (#66)
by redelm on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 11:32:10 AM EST
(redelm at sbcglobal dot net) http://pages.sbcglobal.net/redelm

I'm less concerned about translation in-accuracies "tradudore traditore" [Italian -- the translator is a traitor] than I am about outright omissions: This in the NYPost. A clear threat against state who vote for Bush.



Being a speaker of Arabic... (3.00 / 15) (#64)
by weeeeeww on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 10:43:11 AM EST

The biggest omission is in Al-Jazeera's transcription. The part about "Your security is not in the hands of Bush or Kerry.." is in the video you can stream from their site, but not in their transcript. Also, it is clearly chopped together at that point (see the video linked from Al-Jazeera's transcription in the Related box, and skip to the last 30 seconds to see what I mean), making the notion of it being but 6 minutes of a longer whole quite likely.

The Al-Jazeera transcription is more of an exact translation, in use of metaphors and such (e.g. "the goat and its butting... the aircraft and their butting"), but the omission of the religious phrases by CNN is not really questionable. As mentioned elsewhere here, it's quite normal, and in fact expected, for a speech in Arabic to be peppered with such.

At this point I can't remember the video clearly enough to comment on the other differences. Perhaps later, but by then others may have commented already.

Who cares (1.25 / 4) (#60)
by minerboy on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 10:16:56 AM EST

What Bin Laden has to say at this point. At best it is good for some comic relief - like this week on SNL, when they had the Missing minutes of the bin laden tape, and had Osama saying that he had been approached by both sides for an endorsement, and was registered by two kerry workers to vote in cincinati.



Wow, I can believe him (1.16 / 6) (#52)
by J T MacLeod on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 09:24:02 AM EST
(joshua@SPAMMENOT.stalo.com)

Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.

Right.  Because that's the way it's been in the past, y'know.

How did (1.42 / 7) (#43)
by nebbish on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 04:56:08 AM EST
(nebbish * gmail dottkom) http://wetfloor.co.uk

A story with a spelling mistake in the first sentence make front page?

---------
"Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Talk the talk (2.90 / 33) (#40)
by slaida1 on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 04:20:22 AM EST

It's amusing how Osama is the only one of the three who's forming intelligent phrases. He's talking about reasons why 9/11 happened, why he/they will execute other similar operations when given a chance, why he/they won't stop and what is needed to make them stop.

Kerry, Bush and their supporters are in the middle of a election struggle and can't say anything intelligent that wouldn't affect their rates negatively. I think Osama is pretty smart guy for choosing time like this when his enemies can't give back anything meaningful. Result will look like this: Osama talked and these (would be)leaders couldn't care less other than spin his talk to support their agendas.

Masses are stupid and they'll see reason and thought as weaknesses, so Bush and Kerry are left with only caveman rhetorics like "He's a terrorist! We strong, we kill terrorist! Graah!". And the saddest part are the sheeple cheering for their neanderthal-candidates, "we want them to be just like that! no weaklings allowed! GraaH!" Like in the movies, the prez is The (war)Hero, Rambo-like figure who'd save the world all by himself if necessary.

so what? (1.09 / 11) (#35)
by circletimessquare on Mon Nov 1st, 2004 at 04:10:23 AM EST
(at gmail dot com)

what is the difference between 2.05 pounds and 1.95 pounds?

not much, both are about 2 pounds

so what is the difference between these two translations?

not much, both are the words of an evil madman

sure, some of you might be infinitely entertained by the trivia here

small, dumb animals are attracted by bight shiny objects too

whatever keeps y'all entertained i guess

the larger message from this asshole bin laden should be what is discussed

focusing on the larger picture instead of the stupid details, i guess i'm just a wacko for trying to point that out...

He who desires but acts not, breeds pestilence.
- William Blake


Osama (1.16 / 12) (#29)
by ShiftyStoner on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 11:54:49 PM EST
http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_9.shtml

 Ill tell you what this  hole thing is about. It's about getting Bush realected. I mean the norms hear osama talking about getting Bush out of office, what are the norms going to do? Respect what he has to say? yeah right. They will do the exact oposite of what they are told to do.

 Osama and his men are rather inteligant. Inteligant enough to know how to manipulate the american peopl? hell yeah. Is Bush smart enough, sure. So either this tape was a fake constructed by Bush and his gang of terrorists, or it was constructed by osama and his gang of terrorists. Either way the objective is to see Bush in office for another 4 years.
( @ )'( @ ) The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. - Adolf Hitler

Cryptome.org's Coverage (2.66 / 3) (#23)
by vinn on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 10:04:30 PM EST

Cryptome.org came up with similar comparisons using a different source: http://cryptome.org/us-eu-gap.htm It would be interesting to see a transcript of the full video, but who knows if we'll ever see it.

Osama makes more sense than Bush or Kerry (2.81 / 22) (#21)
by cryon on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 09:38:47 PM EST
http://www.geocities.com/cryofan/

I am not speaking to the differences you say you have found, but to the general transcripts that I have read of the tape. In general, I would say that Osama makes more sense than Kerry or Bush. What I mean is that his description of the events and his worldview is more closely aligned with what I think than what I hear coming from the mouths of Bush and Kerry. I do not trust people who deliberately avoid some parts of what I consider to be reality when they describe the world to me. And Bush and Kerry are telling wme what they see the world as. But Osama describes that reality better tban Bush or Kerry. You may say Osama is a cold blooded killer. But we have killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and for what? Nothing! Osama may have the blood of 3000 on his hands, but as he points out, maybe he was justified. But he is a small timer compared to us Americans. The amount of innocent blood on our hands dwarfs whatever he may have on his hands..... Just my ever-humble opinion. BTW, I am not an admirer of Islam or the Middle East, but I gotta call 'em like I see 'em....
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it may be a tale of two osamas (1.00 / 12) (#19)
by Liberal Conservative on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 09:30:30 PM EST

but i don't care how they translate it, this guy is a tool who i want dead now

i want saddam murdered now

i want osama slaughtered now

i want the freak from north korea to be tied down to a torture board while they saw off his tiny little asian penis and ask him 'who's the man now, dawg?'

this osama crap is ridiculous though

all media is biased to some extent

usually it's the individual reporter

they can sneak it through if it's not drastic enough

all these polls though are what really piss me off, not this osama crap

they polls are using 50 yr old techniques

it's a joke and ridiculous

i have a cell only and no one ever calls me for polls

i hate the election commercials too

anyway sorry to rant but i just had to speak my mind

i'm sure you've had similar experiences

share them

miserable failure

signed,
   liberal conservative

Just the usual conservative media bias. (1.60 / 5) (#18)
by Sen on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 08:38:20 PM EST

The press has been biased towards the right for as long as anyone can remember.

did I go to high school with you? (1.00 / 8) (#17)
by bloodnose on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 08:35:08 PM EST
http://www.livejournal.com/users/saber_taylor/

I went to high school with a Michael Crawford. If it was you, please reply to martin_tlingel@yahoo.com, otherwise, plz ignore.

cheers.

I find it humorous... (2.25 / 4) (#16)
by cdguru on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 08:04:54 PM EST

The originator of this, which I'm not going to credit to bin Laden just yet, holds the processes by which Jeb Bush (FL) and George W. Bush (TX) were elected to be governor to be something that was arranged by George H. W. Bush. I've heard a lot of left-leaning folks comment on the utter corruption of the entire US government under George W. Bush, but so far I don't think I've ever come across someone claiming that their father was able to rig the election of both sons to be state governor.

Of course, if that happens to be true, what the heck is the point of holding an election now? Just for show? If you really believe that three elections have been rigged, why not four or five? What would another election be? Just another mark on a long list, right?

So, if you believe this, then you can forget about the US being anything but an oligarchy as it already has been since about 1980. Right?

The Missing 12 Minutes (3.00 / 13) (#11)
by marktaw on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 02:02:44 PM EST
http://www.marktaw.com

This is just 6 minutes of the 18 minute whole, so the final difference - the bit that CNN has that Al Jazeera doesn't is just a difference of opinion as to where to stop the transcript.

Osama Tape: Mystery of the missing minutes

By most accounts, Osama bin Laden's election-eve videotape bombshell is 18 minutes long. But TV networks, including Qatar-based Al Jazeera, have broadcast only a few minutes of it and released only excerpts from it. Why not the full tape and transcript?

The answer might lie in the multiple swipes bin Laden takes against the United States, the Bush family, their dubious – in his eyes – commitment to freedom and their corruption. Even in the portions released, the Al Qaeda fugitive ridicules the Florida fiasco and rails about the depredations of American corporations.

He accuses Bush of negligence on 9/11, questions his legitimacy and the family legacy, and accuses them of being in cahoots with corrupt Muslim rulers to plunder Arab oil wealth. He also mentions the Patriot Act and Halliburton, showing he's on top of issues.

FULL TAPE AN OSAMA A WOE SHOW

On the tape, bin Laden also says his terror organization has been hurt by the U.S. military's unrelenting manhunt for him and his cohorts on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

A portion of the left-out footage includes a tirade aimed at President Bush and his father, former President George H.W. Bush, claiming the war in Iraq is purely over oil.

Al-Jazeera defends airing bin Laden tape

The tape also has English subtitles, the official said on condition of anonymity.



That's odd, when did CNN become Fox? (2.85 / 7) (#8)
by Russell Dovey on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 01:39:06 PM EST
(antipaganda@gmail.com) http://www.flickr.com/photos/80291310@N00/4079985

I guess CNN didn't want to air potentially disruptive claims like these only three days before the elections:

"In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors and did not forget to import expertise in election fraud from the regions presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration."

By the way, I hate the way this fucker is dressing himself in the language of the anti-war movement. The fucker wants nothing more than to see Mecca become a glass crater, and he sits there and uses the cogent observations of those worried about Bush's anti-democratic (small d) leanings as bullets in his propaganda war!

And what will most people do? Like good little sheep, they'll respond exactly in the way this shithead wants them to. Republicans will point and shout "See, the dirty liberals are getting their rhetoric straight from Satan himself!!!" while the Democrats will say "See, Satan admits it: Bush has made the world unsafe!!!"

You know, sitting here in Australia with no way to vote on who will rule our country sucks. If you're going to rule the world with your military might, at least give us a say in who leads you! Otherwise your defense of democracy is just a disgusting lie.

"Blessed are the cracked for they let in the light." - Spike Milligan

+1, conspiracy (1.12 / 8) (#6)
by skronkasaurus on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 01:05:46 PM EST
(skronkasaurus at gmail dot com)


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A mixed story (none / 0) (#4)
by Patrick2 on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 12:20:54 PM EST

It's kind of hard to distinguish who copied from whom with all the transcripts around.
The last paragraph seems to be agreed upon by all news except Jazeera. The Florida reference on the other hand seems to be more widely accepted, even Matt Drudge mentions it.

Interesting. (3.00 / 16) (#3)
by caine on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 11:31:26 AM EST

First of all, let me commend you on being the first in a long while to actually use a paraphrase title to good use.

Second of all, and a bit more on topic, the translation I read was in Swedish, directly translated from Arabic and corresponds much better with the Al Jazeera version overall. So either CNN has lousy translators (unlikely) or they cover things up. Which is really really bad.

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-1, links to a blog (1.04 / 25) (#1)
by Esspets on Sun Oct 31st, 2004 at 11:17:48 AM EST
(esspets@hotmail.com) http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0278504/Ss/0278504/CT-3103.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Swank,%20Hi




Desperation.
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