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[edit] Full lineups
Wouldn't it be good to add the lineups from each year's festival?
Obviously due to the nature of the festival, for a lot of people it's very hard to remember what acts actually played, but I think this could be a nice historic piece in the long-term. :-)
- I'm not sure it would be practical to post the entire line-up for each stage for each year, it would probably have to be restricted to the headliners. But that would create a false impression as the Glastonbury festival is not just about the bands, there is so much more to it than that. - TylerD
- Why would it not be practical? We can easily make pages for each year and put the lineup and other details on those pages.. --Steinsky 22:03, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- OK, maybe it's worth a shot. But we do need to get across that there's so much more to Glasto than just being another music festival. It needs coverage of the Green Fields, Lost Vagueness etc. - TylerD
I'm sure Franz Ferdinand played in 2004 but there is no mention of them in the Guardian site. Lumos3
I think there's a strong argument for having a page for each year of the festival including complete line-ups, and just having the main page to explain what the festival is, its organisation and a brief history: at the moment there are increasingly long paragraphs about the recent ones which could be the start of separate articles. The festival generates a huge amount of media attention when it's 5on, way more than other UK festivals, so there'd be no shortage of informaiton to refer to Jimbow25 11:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- I would suggest articles like Glastonbury Festival in the 2000s, Glastonbury Festival in the 1990s, and then we can turn the history section of this page into summary style. There isn't enough encyclopedic info to have a page for every year. Joe D (t) 15:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photos
Are any wikipedians going this year, or have past photos? It would be nice to get a picture or two for the article, maybe one of the pyramid and one of the whole site from up at the stone circle? --Steinsky 23:03, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Well I've got this one of the giant "LOVE" sculpture from 2002... http://www.geocities.com/drgazowen/photos/festivals2002/019-16a.jpg , and the one at John Otway. I've probably got some more knocking about somewhere...
- I still haven't developed mine from last year yet. Doh! I'm bringing a digicam this year, so hopefully will have some decent ones then. A night shot from the stone circle showing all the camp fires across the site would rock, but that's going to need slow film and a tripod. - TylerD
- I am going this year and will take pictures. If anyone wants to upload pictures to Wikipedia let me know as I am doing IT support for Greenpeace there and will have internet access, card readers etc. Justinc 10:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Have put a picture up for Michael Eavis, will go through the rest. Justinc 1 July 2005 17:33 (UTC)
- All of my Glasto 2k5 pictures are available at http://themsquared.fotopic.net/ and include a few of the floods, the mud and the pyramid stage...
[edit] Kylie
With Kylie getting cancer treatment, will she still be headling Glasto? --Madchester 08:34, 2005 May 17 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- Glastonbury Festival is used throughout the article, and on most of the external links, including the official site. Currently What links here is split about equally between the upper and lower case F. Vclaw 28 June 2005 12:54 (UTC)
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- Support, I hadn't noticed that. Joe D (t) 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)
- Support, I always wondered why the "F" was never in the uppercase. --Madchester June 30, 2005 19:51 (UTC)
- Support, Yeah, it makes sense to me. Cherry blossom tree 30 June 2005 21:15 (UTC)
- Support. James F. (talk) 1 July 2005 18:11 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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- Add any additional comments
- I was expecting this to be a request to move it to the official name (which I wouldn't have supported)! Joe D (t) 28 June 2005 13:05 (UTC)
This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. Vclaw 5 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)
[edit] Economics
There isn't any information on the economics of the festival - whether it makes a profit, how it is distributed. As far as I know, it's unique in large festivals as not being run as a profit making exercise, but it's difficult to find any facts regarding this side of things.
[edit] Answer
The rights to hold the festival and the related trademarks are owned by Glastonbury Festivals Ltd, owned by the Eavis family. Prior to 2002 this company also held the festivals. Since 2002 Mean Fiddler plc has been involved in the festival (this was a condition of the festival regaining its licence after the 2000 debacle). This is handled by the festival being run by a separate entity Glastonbury Festival ({year}) Ltd. with the year replacing the {year}. This company is jointly owned by Mean Fiddler plc and Glastonbury Festivals Ltd. The proportion owned by Mean Fiddler has increased every year for the last four years but is still less than a half.
Although festivals long ago were loss-making, recently the festival has been run for a profit, although it donates a signifincant proportion of this to charity. The presence of the Mean Fiddler Group in the festival's ownership structure since 2002 has meant that a certain amount of each festival's profit has gone to this group, the rest to the Eavis-family-owned business.
[edit] Source
An anon user added to the paragraph on Emily Eavis:
- She has been quoted as finding the festival "difficult to manage".
I googled the quote with "Emily Eavis" and found nothing, again with "Glastonbury Festival" and found five irrelevant results. Can anybody provide a source for this? Joe D (t) 29 June 2005 13:29 (UTC)
[edit] Duplication bug
There appears to be a duplication problem. The pics are duplicated and if I edit to try to fix this the text gets duplicated too. Someone has tried to fix this before... Justinc 8 July 2005 08:40 (UTC)
[edit] Mean Fiddler/Live Nation management
While tiding up, I've replaced "More recently" with "Since 2005" for the Mean Fiddler involvement (see Glastonbury Festival#Organisation). I'm not sure of that - can anyone confirm or correct? --Concrete Cowboy 00:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC).
- Answer was staring me in the face - see previous question. I'll correct error. --Concrete Cowboy 00:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
"In April 2005, Clear Channel Communications took control of Mean Fiddler. Clear Channel has political views that are at odds with the traditional Glastonbury philosophy. In an interview on his 70th birthday, in October 2005, Eavis voiced concerns over the Clear Channel take over, and amid rumours that his daughter, Emily, would be taking an increasing role in the organisation, Eavis stated that he wishes to carry on organising the festival until he has to retire [1]. In December 2005, the entertainment division of Clear Channel was spun off as Live Nation, an independent corporation: Mean Fiddler is now a subsidiary of Live Nation UK. Its politics remain to be seen." I removed this because its very factuly inaacurate. For a start Live Nation only own 50.1% of Mean Fiddler and as the contract runs out this year i thort that it wasnt worth editing it to make it factuly acurate as Mean Fiddler probably wont have any futher connection to Glastonbury. Talkshowbob
[edit] Ley lines
I added the New Age stuff to the location, so I had to say something about the ley lines belief. But then I have to say who believes it, which takes me to the web page of the guy who published the map. I subscribe to the "pure co-incidence" theory explained at Ley line, so I'm in a quandry here. It is close to link spam! Replacing the "Ley_lines" end-note/reference with a link to an NPOV source would be good. I don't have a problem if anyone decides to delete it as too far off topic, but the hippy heritage and consequent "instant brand value" needs explaining. --Concrete Cowboy 19:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dance music
Wiki doesn't have an article on modern popular (electronic) dance music. The existing articles are all about classical and modern-classical "fine art" dance. There is nothing on UK garage, trance, euro-anthem etc. Since this is such a big feature of late 90s Glastonbury, it really needs to a main article to link to. Does anybody feel inclined? See also Sanctuary Music Arena which has the same problem. --Concrete Cowboy 22:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
- Is Rave music good enough? Electronic dance music is all about process. --Concrete Cowboy 22:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lineups
I've edited much of the lineups out of the 2000s section to help get the article to FA staus. However thats not to say we can't have another page listing them, anyone fancy having a go?Logan1138 20:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
- You've done an excellent edit overall, but this is going to be a problem. People will only put them back in again unless you provide somewhere else for them to do so. I can only suggest a sub-article. --Concrete Cowboy 12:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Lets start a seperate line up page and keep this down to the basic history.Logan1138 16:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Improving the article
I've added some pictures to better show the scale of the festival. I think we've hit a good mix but do we need any more? I have pics going back a few years but most of the best ones are of the main areas. A better stone circle picture would be good (i have a few somewhere if i can find it).
Any comments?Logan1138 21:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 1970s
I've removed the line "Musicians during the 1970s were mainly jazz and folk artists" as it is patent nonsense! The previous sentence is iffy as well. As far as I know the 1970 -1978 festivals were relatively straightforward pop/rock/free festivals with little dance, poetry, or theatre. The revival of the festival in 1979 was the start of the deliberate inclusion of other forms of culture than music.
I've added (some of) the 1971 line up to the Festival lineups page and descriptions of the 1970s festivals can be found at the UK Rock festivals site [[1]] MichaelW 15:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biggest?
Okay, I've never been to Glasto, and the lineup is undoubtly way better than anything we've ever got treated to over here, but there is a very similar music (and arts) festival in Budapest, Hungary, called Sziget Festival. It's capacity is 65,000 people, but it lasts a full week every summer, and therefore the attendace is usually calculated multiplying 65,000 by seven, which means there are probably more people attending Sziget Festival than Glastonbury. Not sure if this should be mentioned, plus I'm not sure if the information to back this up is there on the web in English .
If calculating capacity were done to Glastonbury this way then it would be over 500,000. Unless it's a completely different set of people attending Sziget Festival each day then the capacity is still smaller than Glastonbury.Logan1138 15:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you are going to look at multiples of day figures for long event things like the Edindurgh festival would have vast numbers. --LiamE 16:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
