User talk:Jeffpw

In spite of myself, I have become a well meaning Wikipedian

Living in SEA

Hi Jeff. Glad you like the blog-page - I think it's about the best use I can make of that page.

Living in SEA: as a nurse, you could try signing up with an NGO to work not directly as a nurse but as a trainer. I know that somewhere on the Web there's at least one site that functions as a clearing-house for NGO-workers seeking jobs, but unfortunately I have no idea what the name is. I did a quick googlesearch and came up with this UK group. A better bet might be ReliefWeb. As for me, I live off my investments, not off my writing - freelance journalism is fun, but it makes maybe a thousand dollars a month, not enough to live on. 203.189.134.3 10:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bishop

Can you include on the next LGBT newsletter, Elizabeth Bishop as a collaboration project ?

Elizabeth Bishop was the greatest lesbian poet of the twentieth century.

She deserves to have an FA status article in her honour.

Thanks,

Tovojolo 09:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

newsletter ideas

Hi, I suggest posting a draft to talk and also adding more positivity encouraging readers to check out relevant articles like our recent bizarre vandal bout resulting in Sister Roma article actually being attacked but then a handful of editors fully referencing it. Also Waylon Smithers and Queer Eye have both gotten makeover and gone to GA status., etc. Benjiboi 23:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Test Pattern Night Lights

Hello from a fellow Kucinich supporter. I'll be happy to fill you in about the Indian Head test card night light - I still have mine and I can take pictures if you'd like to see it. The night light with the Indian Head test card design was sold as one of a set of three test pattern night lights by the Archie McPhee company in Seattle. It was item #10480. I spoke with Mikki at Archie McPhee's Customer Service (425-349-3009) this morning, and she verified that these were created by the company -- not obtained from an outside source -- and sold from January 11, 1999 to June 17, 2005. They've been discontinued for now but with McPhee who knows, they might decide to make them again if they get enough requests. I did find a number of other items related to the Indian Head test card on ebay, including a quilt design based on it (item 8102081440). --Bluejay Young 17:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Thank you so much for your help. I couldn't have done it without you.--Nemissimo 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It is great to see that you haven't given up on the article! Thanks a lot! Hartelijk dank!

Regard --Nemissimo 20:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Stalking

No comment hot shot!  ;-) --David Shankbone 00:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

BDSM

"Hallo Jeff! That wasn't Nibble's sister you wear as a ski jacket - it was mine. She used to help clean my pelt with her tongue. She had the best tongue for pelt cleaning. I miss her."

"Jeffffff...I love you...please don't make a coat out of me!"

"Hullo! I've come! To back up my friend Nibbles! Our pelts keep us warm and dry and make terrible accessories at dance clubs!"

Hi Jeff, I just wanted to let you know, that I move the article today. Do you think it to be ready to be moved on the quality scale? Is a peer review still necessary? Kind Regards. --Nemissimo (talk) 10:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I would definitely submit it for Peer review, and would also take it to the Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors. They're really good at their work. And as been pointed out by more thna one editor, it needs a lot more refs. Did the original article have useful refs you could use in the new version? Jeffpw (talk) 22:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm kind of short on English refs and don't believe Germans will do alone. Do you think I can post a request on Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors already? I'm kind of worrying, that the article might degrade if I wait to long. Watching the development of the old :en and the the original :de version I've seen over and over again that the topic is a great temptation for dozens and dozens of IPs trying to add links and original research *shrug Guess this is not my day. Regards.--Nemissimo (talk) 23:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I and several other editors are watching it now, and will revert as needed, so don't worry about that. The German refs are OK, if you were concerned about the language. I didn't look at the English article, but will go into the history tomorrow and see if any might be helpful. I just can't tonight--I worked a 16 hour shift and am practically braindead. just off to smoke one last cigarette and then off to dreamland. Jeffpw (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Very simular with me today. Goede Nacht.--Nemissimo (talk) 00:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh David! That's a chocolate beaver! My favorite kind. It was his brother that PETA desecrated. Fortunately I still have his blonde sister as a ski jacket. Jeffpw (talk) 00:12, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Just look at that wet messy thing! You'd never know from his picture how fabulous he looked draped around my shoulders. Jeffpw (talk) 00:23, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

And there's nothing like a tongue for cleaning a beaver! Jeffpw (talk) 00:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

ugh! That is so gross, Jeff. I don't know if I like you anymore. ;) - Jeeny ^(talk) 01:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Good lord, Jeeny, I don't know what you could possibly be thinking, but I am sure it wasn't very nice. A little WP:AGF, please. Anybody who has seen my contributions knows I am probably the most well meaning of Wikipedians. I advise you to get your mind out of the gutter and perhaps spend a week editing the Pollyanna article in order to build some moral character! Jeffpw (talk) 11:46, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

LMAO! OK. I think you need to get your mind out of the gutter. :p Because killing cute and innocent animals to wear as clothing is yucky. :( - Jeeny ^(talk) 14:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't kill them, Jeeny. Nobody did. According to my furrier, they were distraught and jumped into the traps. I hear being covered in fur can be a catalyst for crippling depression. Keep an eye on your pets for any worrisome signs. Jeffpw (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Beaver attack

Jeff, a beaver overtook my keyboard and attacked your User page. I noticed it right away and reverted him, but you should really be careful - those beavers are getting more dangerous and you are obviously on their hit list. --David Shankbone 01:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

My God, David! Isn't the Al Qaeda bad enough!?! Do I have to worry about beaver terrorists now, as well???!! What is the world coming to? What did I ever do to deserve this beaver madness????? I must be grateful for tender mercies, however, so I thank God I have good friends like you to protect me from these vengeful rodents (and don't tell me they're not rodents--I saw the photographic evidence). Jeffpw (talk) 09:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why, but this made me laugh. A lot! Maybe it's because I was reading this page from the bottom up, so went from Knives to BDSM to Beaver...  :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the reverts. :) Acalamari 20:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny Stuff

		The Invisible Barnstar
		For your relentless dedication to this work, and tireless contributions "behind the scenes" it is my with humble appreciation I award you the invisible barnstar. Your hard work here, and honest and genuine comments make it easier for us all. Best Wishes. Pedro :  Chat  23:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Pedro, thanks a bunch! That's really kind of you, though I don't do anymore than the average Wikipedian! Jeffpw (talk) 23:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes you do, you make some of us laugh out loud. That is the best gift of all. Thank you Jeff. - Jeeny ^(talk) 23:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Auschwitz

I see the unprotect request has been declined, so hopefully that's sorted out. SlimVirgin ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

No, that was yesterday. Now an admin wants to either unprotect or open an Rfc on the issue. Jeffpw (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

RE:That Foot Fetsih Afd

Yes i am aware of that policy, and i guess that is what i should have done, thanks for the heads up! reply copied from tiptoety's talk page Tiptoety (talk) 17:49, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Shiny

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for your help with the annon IP, also i appreciate your comments, and suggestions as to how i can better my contributions to wiki. Tiptoety (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Tiptoety! I'm always glad to be of assistance to a fellow editor. Jeffpw (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

r family

LOL - you just fixed the ref I just fixed :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Fixed ref 3 now. Jeffpw (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I found a better ref for 10, so I've put that one in. Will you check that thing about ref 8 and I'll see about the math for the capacity of the ship? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

See LGBT talk page. This is probably the work of Benjiboi's anon harasser. Jeffpw (talk) 23:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Your *sterling* reputation blinds me to even the hint of the possibility of being incorrect in any way, up to and including deleting cruft and harassment from WT:LGBT. In fact, I'd give you another shiny bit for it, but I see you're a bit overburdened as it is. :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I've reported the 71.127.226.19 incident at WP:ANI [1]. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 06:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the offer... I really could do with some help, as things certainly havnt gone that well so far...
I gladly accept, if you are willing to work with me

Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok... what kind of articles do you usually like to work on? So what do you think about Clarendon House Grammar School and Good Hair Day that can be improved so far?
How come people dont sign off their messages with kisses? or use emoticons at all? it just makes the whole thing seem friendlier... Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

hey

sorry i didnt reply... i didnt see where in the page you'd left the messages.
Oh ok... so should I put in those citations that the other user left on the GHD deletion discussion page?
Did you see them by the way?
Well if you go to hair iron, i think it is... and then go down to the bottom, you'll see a list of hair iron brands.
And yes I will try to assume Good Faith... and Civility... lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:59, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

ok thanks...

how do you turn something into an archive? and what exactly is one? lol
oh i checked out that article you made... its really good! but i wouldnt be able to do anything like that... I mean...I struggled to find notable info on GHD's and theyre like really famous... so I dont understand how you got it so good... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Yes, intolerant xenophobes should be shown how and why they are wrong, though I'm not sure the help desk is the place to do it. Thanks for the comment. Astronaut (talk) 02:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

i've replied on my page by the way...

and also... i am running into difficulties. First of all, i dont understand about archives. Secondly, I am struggling a bit with referencing. Although I was able to copy what some user did before... I do not entirely understand it. Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:11, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ok i'll do that...

its gonna take a while... have you seen the length and complexity of those articles?! is it not possbible for users to go and simplify that? its no wonder there are people unaware of the rules when its so hard to actually just get a simple summary of them, dont you think? and sorry, I actually know the person in real life, and am just trying to get them established on wikipedia. They, like I was, are a little unsure of the way things work around here. I'm sure he/she will get on his feet soon enough. Well, anyway, on my userpage, i put a link to the sandbox so i could easily access it... but it doesnt seem to work. And on my edits to Clarendon... I was wondering how rather than having those really massive oversized titles i put on that didnt work... whether you could eventually explain how to turn them into the proper 'chapters' of an article, with that little box at the top of the page with links to scroll down the page to all the chapters... ill start working on those summaries... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

ok jeff... i will talk to the user in real life about it. And no no... i didnt mean to tag the image with that... i didnt realise that was what the tag did. I have only taken two images myself, and those are the two original hair irons on the GHD page... Ben Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I managed to read the first one! :)

Assume Good Faith:

Basically... one must assume on wikipedia that everyone is editing in order to give what is seen as help in their oppinion. Even if you do not get on well with that other user, or that user makes a mistake, you are not allowed to assume bad faith on them, and must still hold the view that they are at least trying to help the site.
However... if a user is caught lying, using malicious sockpuppetery, or vandalising, then you may be permitted to assume bad faith on the user, and take action.
If someone assumes bad faith on you, you must still act with good faith, and act calmly... because an administrator will come along and sort it all out.
Did i miss anything out?
Ben
Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

oh also also... i just remembered... wikipedians should give new users an extra amount of assumption ov good faith or something... as they are unfamiliar with the rules. (although I was not given this by User:SteveBaker, who you seem to dislike me talking to...)Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry if i sound arguementative here... but i honestly feel like i have a genuine point to make. It was Steve who did not follow the WP:AGF policy, as he assumed to another user on their talk page, that I had no care for wikipedia's rules. Even though I was trying my best and was extremely new (only a couple of days), and so was completely unaware of any of wikipedia's policies. Steve, however, as you mention, has been here for a long time, and therefore should have known better than that. In my oppinion, it is therefore he who has broken the policy. Oh, and by the way, those personal remarks on Steve's profile about LeeBaker or whatever werent actually from me... and were when my friend logged onto my account... which is, if you have noticed, why "I" am no longer discussing about that person, but instead about other issues... (how do you change your password on here by the way?) Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Well we cant exactly do much with a truce, as he doesnt want to accept that he is in the wrong in any way at all! and thanks... ive changed it. And you know... in a way, its kind of good that I ended up getting so much action first of all... i mean, i'm so much more experienced now lol... ok well if you go on User:SteveBaker's page, and look at the people he's adopted, with the exception of one (cant remember the name.... begins with 'th' or something...), most of his adoptees have hardly got anywhere, and look like they are still very new, whereas I am newer than all of them and have already been involved in so much more, even though not all of that has been to do with wikipedia article editing lol. Oh, I was thinking that if you are going to be my adopter, it might be helpful if we had some kind of other contact outside of wikipedia. Is this allowed? Myspace? well... i dunno, but it would kind of help in some ways... Ok about the WP:Civ... it basically says... that you should be nice to other users, and not lie, accuse them of lying or slandering (unless that is true and you cannot see that trying to keep the peace is getting you further), er... vandalling their user page.... errrrrrrrrrr... well in general just being civil. Oh, and more serious examples include racism, sexism, sexualityism (if thats a word?), and religionism. It says that if one user is uncivil with you, you should not act uncivily back... but just try to solve the issue, and then im not sure, but i think it said that if this doesnt work then discuss it with other people? Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Username

WP:UAA is for obvious violations - if you are concerned about User:Iamandrewrice's username but not sure if it's a violation, WP:RFCN is the right place. Make sure to discuss your concerns with the user first.—Random832 17:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

hey

well i saw about the complaint you made against me... does it matter that that isnt my name in real life? i dont want to have to start this account all over again... ive already got so much edits and contributions and stuff :(
you mention that i got off to a bad start, don't you like me?
ok well add me on www.myspace.com/ if you want... and yes the feeling is certainly mutual... you are a gud adopter.
And there is no such person as Andrew Rice that I am in relations with... I simply named my username after this person Andrew Rice... who is my favourite celebrity. I do not know at all who this Andrew Rice imposter is, and have dutifully deleted his incorrect commentations. Iamandrewrice (talk) 18:29, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well ok yes, can i change the account then?... and its just that i thought that myspace would give us a medium to communicate when wishing to talk privately from other wikipedian editors... its just that i noticed SteveBaker doing it for his adoptees with email, and i thought myspace mite be appropriate... as i use it more frequently than email, and it has a lot to say about me, so it may have been helpful to learn a bit about me. If you dont want to add me... just check out my profile or something... i dunno, well just think about it. And ok ill read that last one... also can you take a look at that sandbox link on my profile which isnt working... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Im about to go read the last thing you gave me... to be honest i dont think theres any point changing my username actually...i mean, my name is clearly mentioned on my page if anyone wants it. Oh did you have a look at my interests on myspace? Do we have anything in common that we can work on? Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

BDSMII

What a view.

Hi Jeff, I hope your hand keeps getting better.
Just to give you a short update, the article has been further adapted and at the moment the discussion on its structure has intensified.
I really don't know... I've been working on this baby for nearly 2 1/2 years now and somehow feel tired of having to discuss every thing over and over again (even being aware that this is the very nature of Wikipedia).
Maybe I'll consider it a "text donation" a way to give back to :en for the inspiration and information I received here for the :de version. To see the article cut in tiny pieces, loosing the general perspective will not break my heart, maybe it will be a good chance to see what you guys make out of it. To see 2 FA versions with the same roots might be interesting someday in the future. I have no idea what to do... Kind Regards and all the best. --Nemissimo (talk) 22:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you yesterday with this, it seems it just wasn't my day. ;-) --Nemissimo (talk) 18:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it make sense to ask the League of Copyeditors? And... how is your hand?? Regards--Nemissimo (talk) 10:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

• BDSM#Legal status has arrived, this was made possible by an American user living in Germany and very active on :de. .... Yeeeesss. ;-) That's exactly what I had had in mind... --Nemissimo (talk) 16:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, let me put it that way... there is now a very decent :de article on Jell-O (de:Jell-O). ;-) But of course... in principle you are absolutely right.--Nemissimo (talk) 16:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

...

LGBT ey? are you sure you wouldnt mind that form of editing with me then?
what kind of things are you interested in? I'd like to work on something which I know we both like... could you add me on myspace or something? I wont contact you again on there if you do not want me to... its just that i think being able to see each other's profiles would be benefitial somewhat.
well i'm kind of interested in language as well... and i would say i am quite good in french... i took french gcse and A level a year early...
Fr:Théophile de Viau... you think I could work on translating this? its listed under the different language section of the LGBT page you gave me...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 12:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

You speak Dutch don't you? does that mean you speak some french too?
Iamandrewrice (talk) 12:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Our ages? huh? oh! no no i didnt mean like anything more than just friends.
Its just I thought that it might enhance our wikipedian editing capabilities of working together...

and yes... i read it... ¬_¬
oh and also the third policy you gave me is about making no personal attacks. Nothing to do with race, age, gender, sexuality, disabilities, or anything like that... yeah... Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

yes... and lol, although at the time i honestly didnt understand what the definition of a Legal Threat was. Ok, how would I go about joining the group? And btw... if you noticed the other message I just got from someone... it is not true that I have 2 adopters, haha, its that I left comments for adoption before you offered to adopt me, so its just people replying from then... dont worry... and yeah... i read all of it thouroughly and stuff... its just... I kind of feel like you dont like being my adopter? ... Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

But you said you didnt want us to be friends...
and ok i've added my name to the list... how come your edit summary was something to do with presuming i have a name or something...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:48, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for correcting my correction, Jeff!

(I misunderstood the heading capitalization guidelines.)

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. There are seemingly rules for everything here <sigh>. Jeffpw (talk) 12:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Right on cue...

I've delivered the welcome letter - am I that predictable!?!? :)

BTW, just a little note that we're coming up on Newsletter time. We have a new FA: But I'm a Cheerleader, nom & ed by Belovedfreak. And I might hope the Sa-Sc list will pass by then. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No dear, you're not predictable, you're reliable:-D. I am starting on the new newsletter. What do you think of Queer snowflakes?????????????????? Jeffpw (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

<blush>

Conceptually Queer snowflakes are fine. But I wouldn't want one marrying my daughter. :)

Do you think the Gay Snowboarders would mind me snagging the snowflake on the bottom right and pretty-fying it? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFect! I don't think the snowboarders (and what handsome, athletic young men they are, too) would mind at all if we tossed a rainbow on their snowflake. Jeffpw (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

ill make a start on translating then...

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

well... its just that... i dont really see why our age difference should stop us from being friends. That would just be shallow...
Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

look I managed to make my own userbox! Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

oh gosh im not an editor in good standing though... :S
lol
oh... by the way, is it possible in some way to upload the BDD userbox into the health (mental health) section of the WP:ubx so other people can use it? well actually i dunno if i shud anyway... its a bit... ermmm... not that good haha...
ive also commeted on my sandbox... Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Erm... yeah i kind of do need help lol...
i guess youve read the BDD page then :S ... well at least now you understand why i can sometimes be slightly touchy (especially when i first joined wikipedia lol)... im sorry...
Oh and with regards to the article in my sandbox... the standard of english in there @ the moment will not be what it is finally... im just getting a general translation for myself at the moment... although as you noticed, I had particular problems with finding an English correlative for the 'demoninations' section... Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:16, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

aww thanks... you didnt have to go find out for me... its not like it was major... i just thought you mite have known or something from your other userboxes... lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 20:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

o you wouldnt give me any details about you and your my adopter! yet you have no problem doing that with jenny! Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

but i dont see why you would have such a problem being friends with me just because im your adoptee... in my oppinion that is more reason to... this has left me all rather confused... Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

thats just being unfriendly and antisocial... if i got on well with my piano teacher then yes I would choose to be friends with her. Just like I have with some of my teachers at school... and they're certainly older than me... i just find it personally offensive that you choose not to want to get to know me even though you are prepared to lecture me Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I did not suggest 'lecturing' as a derogative term, i mean in teaching... i am simply saying that if you are prepared enough to teach me, then i do not see why there should be an artificial freindship barrier there... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeeny

I would appreciate it if you could try to make her understand that assuming good faith is not an option, it's mandatory. Hayden/Phral is an exception as he is a banned user, but that exception does not extend so far as to allow personal attacks against him. There is a simple solution with banned users: revert (with a civil edit summary, such as simply "reverting banned user"), block/request block at ANI or AIV, and ignore. Jeeny may not likely, but that does not give her license to fail to assume good faith of me, or of any other user on this project. I'm not going to be responding on her talk page (barring any future warnings), because I understand that it provokes her, and you're doing a good job of helping mediate that. ⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 20:07, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem, Swatjester. I sort of did try to make that clear earlier. Perhaps I was too subtle:-s Jeffpw (talk) 20:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Is Jeeny still blocked for 2 weekz. Seth71 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

yes, she is. She needs to show some willingness to change, and agree to mentorship before she can be unblocked. Jeffpw (talk) 20:27, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

She never used to be like this. She is starting to speak her mind and in her case that ain't a good thing. This is about her 3rd time this month that she's been blocked. I just sit here shocked at what she's saying. She's scolded me for calling people idiots and now she's calling people fuckheads. I just wonder wants wrong with her. Seth71 (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Seth, I'm just having a few "issues" lately. I'll be better, with help. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 12:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Civility

Jeff, maybe you didn't notice the previous messages on my talk page where I was helped to figure this out. Then took back my message, which you acknowledged. To be scolded for a mistake, when I realized the problem and adjusted my message, all after the fact doesn't help. Anyway, I'm going to archive my talk page right now. It's a bit busy. Thanks. :) - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 11:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Honey, I'm not scolding you. I'm concerned. Yes, I had read the entire thread about this, but still felt I should comment that even if an admin had just blindly protected your page, WP:AGF would be a better way to approach the issue. Something like, "I see my page is protected. I didn't request it and would like to edit it. Do you think we can change the protection level?" would still get you the results you wanted. I know I may be coming across as a Wikipedian zombie; I just don't want you to have any trouble again, and hoped that a little coaching would show you how you can better approach issues. Jeffpw (talk) 11:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I know now, thank you Jeff. :) That was a good response, one I should have made, and will file in my pee brain for the future. Thanks again. I just awoke, early, with a coughing fit? So, I'm going back to bed now. I think you should change your hours so you're on the same time as I am. lol. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 11:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I just sent you a long, incoherent email. Going to go to bed now ... again. - Oh no, it's Jeeny ^(talk) 12:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

oh wow thanks

but you really shouldnt have spent that long just for me... ;p
oh also, how did you create that page in the first place with just the userbox on it?
If you look at my recent contributions, I've tried editing Latino... but i dont see the problem with what i've put... Also, if you look at my page, I am making a table for the countries of latino populations (and no lol i didnt make the whole table, i took the code from another very similar article about british latinos or something... but im developing it for this idea). I thought it could be put on the Latino, Hispanic, Lusitanic, Mediteranean pages, and other pages about latino peoples. Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff can you help? some person left a comment on my talkpage and i dont know if its intended to be racist or what... and i have no idea what to say... And now im also confused... Latino people are people who have origins in Latin Europe right? and Latin Europe is the mediterranean right??? so then what is the difference between Latinos and mediterraneans? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Jeff? or anyone whos online?

wot should I do about the person commenting on my talkpage? Im not sure if it comes under WP:NPA or WP:CIV... i think it does... can someone help and maybe give them a short block or something? i dunno... but im sure it cant be allowed... :S Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

hey thanks... well can you help me on this? im struggling to grasp the difference between Latinos and Mediterraneans. Arent they the same thing? And Hispanics and Lusitanics are just the latinos from europe (mediterraneans), who moved to the Americas. Am I right? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

But thats the thing... I thought I did know a lot about it because I was always classified as Latino due to my mediterranean mother (even tho my father is english... but the mediterranean features have been more prominent), so I dont understand this new interpretation that that particular user has on the idea. Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh gosh Jeff... I dont know what now... I got another reply from him/her making more uncivil comments about my age and 'stupidity'... help? :(
Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

And who are you?

I just told that user what he needs to hear, he has no clue. So please don't go throwing your weight around. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Who am I? I am an editor who takes civility very seriously. I suggest you do the same if you do not want to be blocked from further editing. Jeffpw (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

haha! wow this is a nice civil editor isnt it: 'dont go throwing your weight around'. LOL Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

but then again at least they said please... ;) lol Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:56, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure that must count as the third warning? Iamandrewrice (talk) 15:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

jeff...

will this reference do to prove that people from latin europe are latino? [2]. If you press Ctrl+F (basically just 'find') and type in 'not latino'... the first search result that comes up on the page (and is highlighted), mentions how the latinos are "the Latin European people are the people who invaded and settled “Latin” “America” from Europe"... is this good enough?

p

oh and thanks for stepping in with TeePee... Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ergh... this is gonna be like GHD all over again... lol... i really find it hard to find reliable sources... im gonna keep trying tho :)
OK, is this one acceptable? [3]
If you search, using 'find,' like i mentioned last time, for "Latino is very general"... and read that paragraph... it says that the term 'Latino' technically includes Italians and other Mediterranean Races still residing in Europe. What do yout think? Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I partially disagree about this one... although at the end of the article, the writer states his/her oppinion, the data throughout the rest of the page is therefore not his oppinion, and are the facts they are weighin up to form an opinion at the end. Yes? Iamandrewrice (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It mentions on the report that the blocker made about the blockee's comments. They apparently thought that we were ganging up on them... (and yes i know they were in the wrong, and made homophobic comments as well)... but do you think we were ganging up on them? Im unsure of all the policies... so what do you think? I feel kind of responsible... Iamandrewrice (talk) 17:03, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ok... I simply copied the information from another wikipedia article (malta), so it should be ok, right? just scroll to the religion bit of that page... ill try taking the reference from there as well then... if it had one O_o Iamandrewrice (talk) 18:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

huh? what kind of things do you mean getting rid of from my talk page? oh and i dont really understand how to properly archive still....
I've been busy on one article trying to improve it and make it fairer to all the countries involved. Obviously this has been easier to do for Malta, as I know more about it anyway... but I have tried my best to help promote information on the other smaller less well known countries on the page as well... what do you think? (it took ages! lol) Latin Europe Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

OH MY GOD!

i hate wikipedia!!!!!!!! i just spent like agggggggggggggggggggggggggggges copying over like tonnes of stuff about loads of the smaller countries in Latin Europe... and after I finished editing (which i did in one big chunk this time ironically)... I get this message that says wikipedia is not allowing edits coz its updating or something...so i clicked back... and none of the edits id made were there!
like... Oh my bee!!!!!!! :( Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

ahhh... this is gonna take ages to do again lol... Iamandrewrice (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

hey jeff... sorry i havnt bin replying all the time... ive bin trying to find references and edit the 'pedia n stuff... oh, could you help me with how you make a reference? like.. i dont properly understand how the process works, and ive seen it done in lots of different ways by different users... Iamandrewrice (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

What was the Jeff Donner bit for? hey let me try... x Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC) <------in this bit lol

OMG yay my first barnstar! :) thank you...
I am really glad you offered to adopt you, and dont know how I would have got this far if it werent for you...
hmmm, I dont understand why the reference i made above didnt work... Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

its on your talk page... (where ive pointed it out above hehe) Iamandrewrice (talk) 22:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Francis Bacon

I have been dealing since July of 2007 with these continual attempts by "Limitorder" (using anonymous IP addresses and "Candid") to intrude subjective POV arguments into an article that is a simple biographical entry about a famous person. As editors, it does not matter what our personal beliefs are. However it does matter if we try to turn this article into an argument for - or against - someone's sexuality (hetero, homo, or bi), especially if that topic is not even relevant to that person's fame and accomplishments. This type of argumentation would be appropriate in an article elsewhere, but not in an encyclopedia. Arion (talk) 21:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

My only interest is to see that the material is so neutrally presented that readers cannot tell what personal beliefs any of us hold. Jeffpw (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Angel Heart Barnstar

		Angel Heart Barnstar
		For your dedication to dealing with some of the least fabulous aspects of the human condition including sorting out vandalistic (and likely homophobic) attackers often "behind the scenes" I award you the Angel Heart Barnstar. Your diligent work and compassionate service to those who appreciate the support for continuing their contributions to Wikipedia has hereby not gone unnoticed and in fact has very much eased distress and helped the Wikipedia community. Benjiboi 01:40, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Youtube link

Thanks, Jeff! I had the same thoughts, in addition to the fact I didn't think it really added any value to the article. PS: Thanks for helping out Jeeny. I know shes a good person, and a good editor, except for her "oopsies"..LOL, for lack of a better word.. - Rjd0060 (talk) 05:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		For your efforts to mentor new users and make them feel welcome far above and beyond what is required by you I award you this barnstar along with my most sincere admiration. Your understanding and application of assume good faith is truly outstanding and gives me hope that there is still room for old-fashioned wiki-values such as trust and good faith assumption even when people seem to be getting more and more mean to each other lately. EconomicsGuy (talk) 11:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

^_^

		The Special Barnstar
		For being the best adopter ♥ & giving me a fair chance when my actions ensured that no one else would Iamandrewrice (talk) 11:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

lol

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

youre lucky i didnt somehow manage to muck up the html code for it and end up sending you a userbox haha :p

ergh... i still cant get the whole hang of the referencing... can you explain it step by step? sorry...

oh, how do u think the latin europe article is coming along?
also, you know the map it uses... it was only a base map, and does not include all of exteneded latin europe. If I were to upload an image, which was a copy of that image but slightly edited to encompass all the other appropriate countries listed on the page... would this be allowed?
Iamandrewrice (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

This is the edited image: . The original can be seen here: Latin europe. Is it allowed?
hmmmm... so what about if it was a website you were referencing?... would you still need an author or publisher or whatever?
Iamandrewrice 13:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

yeah im really trying but every time i read more about the referencing im just getting more and more confused. Sorry... :S
er... i think it was someone else who came along and added the rite tags after haha...
and no it wasnt too hard... i just drew on it in paint!
lol
oh... im having trouble with the image @ Latin europe Iamandrewrice 14:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok let me have another go... lol
<ref>Ben Lavender; [http://www.google.co.uk The Google]; Google?; Er.... dunno wot shud go here...; [[2007-11-30]]; Retrieved on [[2007-12-30]]</ref>
errr... im not sure if thats right... well the bits i managed to do hehe
Iamandrewrice 14:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

er... jeff something's happened on my talkpage... all the end messages seem to have just got tangled up somehow...

like that? So Ben Lavender is the author of the page... what should 'The Google' bit meant to represent? and if ive already put http://www.google.co.uk, why do i need to then put google.co.uk again? and why are there 2 dates?...
oh, also, what is this wikicode? x Iamandrewrice 14:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Meier case

Actually, the Drews are now public figures, so the bit about public figures applies to them. Even though they were notable for one event, I see other events (possible legal action, (maybe) possible criminal charges, drama, etc.) resulting from this, so I would not include them in the "notable for one event only" camp.

So, that does not give a free pass in terms of addresses, though. The policy says: "Exert great care in using material from primary sources. Do not use, for example, public records that include personal details--such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses--or trial transcripts and other court records or public documents, unless a reliable secondary source has already cited them. Where primary-source material has first been presented by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to turn to open records to augment the secondary source, subject to the no original research policy. See also Wikipedia:Verifiability."

Now, I remembered a news source mentioning the street name but not the house number. I'm wondering if this counts as a "reliable secondary source" WhisperToMe 14:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thank you for the heads up! :)

Anyway, I noticed, in the article, "A person can become an "involuntary public figure" as the result of unwanted publicity. A person accused of a high profile crime may be unable to pursue actions for defamation even after their innocence is established on this basis" in the publicity - does this refer to the US legal system or to the general use of "public figure," though? If this is a legal term in the US, how would it treat the Drews? I don't mind if the address edit (with the house number) is deleted - I just want to figure out which category the Drews would belong under (if the US treats "involuntary public figure"s as public figures, and which instances) WhisperToMe 15:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I started a talk page discussion here, if you want to see it: Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Voluntary_public_figures_vs._involuntary_public_figures WhisperToMe 20:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Split Beavers

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

WE NEVER FORGET! GIVE US OUR PELTS!

Another Beaver attack

Jeff - I'm worried. Really, are you okay? Are you safe? You live near a good deal of water, and those beavers are getting very very restless!!! I don't want anything to happen to you. --David Shankbone 18:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

David, when I saw who the message was from, I thought it was perhaps a nice message from Ward and June, wanting to discuss their son. Never did I think it was a terror attack! Oh my god! What did I ever do to deserve this?!? I wish I had gone for the otter parka instead of that beaver jacket now! Save me, David, please, God, save me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't support that jacket, but I also don't support acts of beaver terrorism. It's really become a problem. Somebody should alert the Bush administration. --David [User:David Shankbone|Shankbone]] 18:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

You're a big strong man, David--you do something! Take out a beaver village right now. Give me a beaver Mi Lai. Somebody's gotta pay!

A "beaver Mi Lai" - Bah ha ha ha. --David Shankbone 18:11, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

If you did that little favor for me, David,I'd have that lovely beaver bed spread I've always wanted, and just in time for Christmas. Think about it. In the mean time, I am installing steel jawed beaver traps on this talk page to catch those terrorist beavers the next time they try to Pearl Harbor me! Jeffpw 18:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

See, Icairns *is* the butch one. He totally atom-bombed them beavers! You should send him some wiki-love for sating your blood thirst! --David Shankbone 19:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)