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[edit] Earlier talk

I've moved earlier discussions to archive pages (as listed below). A few of the items I've simply got rid of - if I have, it's simply that it was trivial and/or stuff which has been dealt with, and is therefore no longer relevant. The deletion is not a reflection of my opinion of the writers!

[edit] Archive pages

10/04-01/05 02/05 03-04/05 04-05/05 05/05
06/05 07/05 07/05 08/05 09/05: 1
09/05: 2 10/05 11/05 12/05 01/06
02/06 03-04/06 05-06/06 07-08/06 09-10/06
11-12/06 01/07 02-03/07 04-05/07 06/07
07-08/07 09-10/07 11-12/07 1-2/08 3-4/08*

* = still to archive

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[edit] Stub types for projects

30 is the threshold for a WikiProject's basic stub template. In other words, the threshold for {{agriculture-stub}} is 30, since the wikiproject is WP:Agriculture. - from here.

  • OK, I see what you're saying about it. This really should include active task forces too, particularly as there is movement to consolidate projects recently, led by folks like User:John Carter, that is resulting in a lot of projects being "taskforcized" and a lot of would be projects being made into task forces in order; this may not need to be stated explicitly, but I wanted to raise the issue with you. Probably won't have much practical effect, since any active task force, as with a project, is likely to have plenty of stubs in it's basic category.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 01:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Central Asian scholars stubs

Just wondering what is going on with the old stub and/or new stubs. Nothing much seems to be happening with either of them lately. Should I create a new stub based on the discussion, or might the old one be staying? Otebig (talk) 01:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hastings

Hi Grutness Since Hastings is my home Town, I have decided to take the article in hand. It is already headed "needs citations", but I am afeared it needs so much more! One of the irritations seems to be the work of a character called Kentem who seems, inter alia determined to make as many sub-articles as he can out of the governance of the town. He has set up articles for a dozen of them, adding very little to the information available, saying eg that Maze Hill, South St Leonards was a village, when it very obviously isn't. I guess there is no way to track him down, since he has no talk page? The only way out IMO is to merge them all with the main article (not there is much to merge) Peter Shearan (talk) 16:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SouthAm-composer-stub

I know it's an affectation of mine, but I place sf?-t tags inside the table of templates that use tables on a row of their own. That means when its finished the entire row can go. It's also why I made two separate edits when I nominated the stub for renaming. The first edit was general cleanup and the second edit was the actual nomination. Caerwine Caer’s whines 02:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Lundycoin.jpg

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See comments further up this page as to why it is clearly fair use. There's no arguing with Betacommandbot, though - it's doing more harm to WP than a host of vandals, but no-one seems prepared to stop it. Grutness...wha? 20:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:AUK

WikiProject Auckland This is an invitation to WikiProject Auckland, a WikiProject which aims to develop and expand Wikipedia's articles on Auckland. Please feel free to join us.

Taifarious1 09:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] And next...

Thanks, but it's proving to be terrifically elusive; I can't find any decent lists of local landforms to work from, so I'm stuck at 30-odd stubs for now. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 05:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Uic-stub and Uiuc-stub resolution

Thanks for letting me know how that brouhaha was resolved. I'll make sure to change any old Uic-stub's I find. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cumulant (talk • contribs) 04:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stubbing

I respectfully disagree. Asian American bands are a rarified item, and the purpose of stubs is to bring editors with a particular interest or expertise to articles which they may improve. African American bands are just not comparable, because Asian American bands are so much less numerous. This is why blanket rules such as you are reverting (more blindly than I) are often not helpful to our project. The discussion page was the proper place to ask for the removal of the stubs through calm discussion, not reversion and use of all capital letters in edit summaries. Badagnani (talk) 06:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Replied Grutness...wha?

[edit] Edit Summary

Edit summaries can sure get monotonous eventually . . . glad I made you smile. :) -WarthogDemon 03:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map request

I've been talking to dramatic about location maps - you can see the conversation at Template talk:Location map#Usability Problem - clicking on Map. I've tried to create a map of Northland Region with an inset map of New Zealand, because a map of Northland Region by itself would not be sufficiently useful for many readers who wouldn't have knowledge of where Northland is in comparison to the rest of the country. The map I created is commons:Image:NZ-Northland plain map.png, and you can see the result at Houhora. The glue that sticks it together is Template:Location map Northland.

Now I'm no great shakes at creating maps, but I know you are, so could you create something similar to this map but looking good? Ideally I'd like a location map of each region in New Zealand, but just one of Northland would be a good start to test the concept. I plan to use the map for each community in Northland, and I also have some plans to customise it for the List of schools in Northland, New Zealand - you can see some musings on the subject at Talk:List of schools in New Zealand#Further improvements.

There's no great hurry on this; I can use the existing crude map for the time being, or the North Island map, and it will be easy to change articles over when a better map is available. Thanks,-gadfium 07:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, that looks great.-gadfium 03:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] China stubs

Dang, and here I was going to surprise you by fixing all those Chinese radio station stubs before you noticed. Ah well, I had AWB open and ready to roll so it was nice to do a small category after fixing 650-700 stubs earlier today. - Dravecky (talk) 00:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cliffhangers AfD

Loved The Italian Job reference. All we have to do is turn the engine back on and wait...Plutonium27 (talk) 11:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC) - Yup: start engine, burn off the petrol, thus re-distributing the weight to cause the coach to tip back towards the road side (and hope the bullion slides along with it). Ah well. Plutonium27 (talk) 07:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Antarctica stuff

Thanks for the heads-up - I've been going with what was left on the readymade templates, and didn't know there'd been a change. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 00:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Three Gorges Dam merge opinion wanted

Oh dear! Sorry to hear about the hard drive. Hope you had backups of important stuff.

Can you give me an opinion on a split of the Three Gorges Dam article that I did into Environmental issues with the Three Gorges Dam? (or make a vote on it.) See the merge discussion at Talk:Environmental issues with the Three Gorges Dam. Cheers. -- Alan Liefting- (talk) - 05:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Pennsylvania geography stubs

Question: I see you recently returned the grandparent category Category:Northeastern United States geography stubs to the above cat. Shouldn't listing the parent cat Category:Pennsylvania stubs be sufficient? Thanks, Gjs238 (talk) 13:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glass stubs

If I understand the conclusion on the page [1] correctly, we should go ahead now and create stubs for glass art, glass engineering, etc and uplink them to Glass stub and to other stub categories as appropriate? Would it be required to follow the proper stub suggestion procedure? - Thank you in advance... --Afluegel (talk) 13:02, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stubs

First of all let me say that you were way more polite about that than I expected.

Before I created the stubs I checked through the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting pages, to ensure that they followed the guidlines laid out there, but I found my self very disturbed by the amount of control the project is attempting to exert. I have nothing against the members and I am sure that the aims and goals of the project and the people involved with it are only trying to help Wikipedia. However, I find the idea of having to ask permission to edit is un-Wikipedia like. We trust editors to create articles, complex templates, categories and upload material, but to create a stub type, they have to ask permission. Do you not find it a bit strange that you need to ask permission (Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion/Log/2008/April/6) to delete a category, update nine templates and create the correct category?

It was an obvious error and after looking through the notes I made when preparing and found that I had noted it was supposed to be Central Africa. Anyway I will take care of the renaming and fix the templates for the Middle Africa. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 03:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Ugh. Computer died so it took me longer than I expected. Jus got finished. I saw this before so I updated all the other Central African stub templates. Deleted the empty Middle African category. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that it would help if the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals were made a little less confusing. Though exactly how I'm not sure. As an example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals#"Speedy creation" is enough to make your eyes water. Anyway I will not make anymore stub templates without approval but I must admit that [Category:Asian airport stubs|this]] is tempting. And now I depart cursing over the fact that I just spent the last hour Wikifiying what turns out to be a copyvio. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 00:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Forgot to mention. I liked the comment about the spring thaw. For most of March the temperatures were around -35C, way below normal. When it finally went up to -29 we were all commenting how nice it was. Yesterday it went right up to -18C, a right heat wave, sunstroke and tans. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 02:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia to Commons transfers

Hello Grutness,
No problem. I'll do so next time I need to transfer images to Commons.
I gave the images more explicit filenames so they would show up more easily in searches (not all searchwords lead to a category or gallery of the subject).
Cheers and happy editing,
Arria Belli | parlami 00:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{Actinopterygii-stub}}

Thanks for the pointer. This is the first stub I've created, and apparently I didn't do it quite right. I didn't realize there is more than one way to make a stub, either. I hope that my errors aren't too bad and someone who knows what they are doing can fix them.

The pages involved are Template:Actinopterygii-stub and Category:Actinopterygii stubs, I believe. I got a message on the Actinopterygii category page saying to redirect the category to Ray-finned fishes, so I did my best, and I'm not sure I helped it much. Please let me know if I need to take any more action on this. Thanks! Bob the Wikipedian, a WikiDragon (talk) 02:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Nunavut-school-stub

I missed this. Look at the last , should it be ? CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 06:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Good point - and it's been fixed :). Grutness...wha? 00:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dunedin

thanks for your message. concerning Jeffrey Harris, if that is the case that he is indeed notable, then the onus is one of the person that put him in is to include citations. I am always wary of redlinks on notable links with no citations. thanks Michellecrisp (talk) 00:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ohio geostubs

Regarding the Ohio geostubs: what exactly do you think is the final decision? Is it that the four light blue counties that border green and the most southeastern dark blue county become green, and the rest of the light blue counties are united with the orange and the white counties? If that's the final decision, I can make the map: I made the current one, and it's really easy to do. Nyttend (talk) 14:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've copied this message to Caerwine's talk page. Nyttend (talk) 00:39, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Films/Pedophilia

Hi Grutness,

There are four of these articles, and discussion is currently taking place at List of songs portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents, as well as List of works for the theatre portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents. I invite you to peruse the talkpages of these articles, and to look at the articles themselves (because all unsourced content is being removed until sources can be provided, for BLP reasons).-PetraSchelm (talk) 02:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: removing content from list articles
The list is too long to move to talk, and is available in the page history. I do not think it is necessary to reproduce the discussions on the other articles talkpages, indeed someone has suggested that they all be centralized on the talkpage of one article. There is no reason for the films list to be any different than theater, song, and books--and they currently all have everything removed which has not been sourced with a source that says they are specifically about sexual attrcation. Because this a controversial issue and because 1) works have been mistakenly included that had nothing whatsover to do with sexual abuse, pedophilia, or sexual attraction to children; I verified this myself on the theater article 2) at least one author has complained in writing re the inclusion of his book, making it very much a possible BLP issue, all unsourced works should be removed until sources are provided. The burden of including material rests on those who wish to include it, and far more than enough time has elapsed for sources to be provided, esp. considering the BLP issue. Please revert yourself (And if this is a subject that interests you, contribute to solving the problem by providing sources).-PetraSchelm (talk) 05:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
See my replies on your talk page (DEELIBERATELY there, not here. Please don't move my words back here again). Grutness...wha?
I believe that attributing pedophilia to work of art is a BLP concern even if you are not accusing the artist of being a pedophile, you are still characterizing his or her work. If you are going to do that you need references. If a write a book and I find it in a list of works about pedophilia, and there is no reliable, verifiable reference for its placement in that list, thats a BLP concern as far as I'm concerned, whether or not someone thinks I'm a pedophile or not. Referring to someone's work as being about pedophilia is a BLP concern, in my humble opinion.Mysteryquest (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Replied. Grutness...wha?
Replied: I didn't delete any of the lists. I just expressed my opinion as to whether or not listing an artistic work as about pedophilia without a reliable verifiable source was a BLP violation.Mysteryquest (talk) 14:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: List articles

Hi Grutness,

You seem to be confused about the fact that your talkpage is not yours, and anyone may edit it. As I noted in my edit summary, I moved your response to me here to keep the discussion in one place, as the conversation started here.

  • 1. If you would like to "comment out" the list, why don't you go ahead and do so, I don't know how to do that.
  • 2. Jack-a-Roe has added a message to the talkpages of all article asking that the discussions be centralized.
  • 3. I don't reccomend that you try to reinstate the lists, rather that you observe the standard by reverting yourself on the film article. I am going to speak to JzG about this.
  • 4. You seem to be very confused about WP:V, which clearly states that the burden lies with the editor who wants to include the material. (And if you were following the discussion on the theater page, you would have noticed that I provided references for the works in that list.)
  • 5. The problem with the lists isn't pedophilia or child abuse? at the moment, the problems are a) they are titled "sexual attraction" and refer almost entirely to works about abuse b) they are unreferenced.

-PetraSchelm (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Answered on Petra's page. This discussion is now closed on this page - asny further edits placed here that are not comments original to this page will be deleted. Grutness...wha?

[edit] Category:English-born footballers who played for other national teams

what are the chances that you could help me populate some of the other subcats?--Quack Quackery (talk) 18:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To Grutness, re: "paedophilia and child sexual abuse" entries

Yes, exactly: why are you continuing with this, except to be pointlessly argumentative? You seem stuck on trying to bicker about whether you were right or wrong, not on doing anything to improve the article. As I already stated, until the page was moved back to its prior name yesterday, even the one or two which were sourced had to be removed because the contents they sourced didn't match the list.-PetraSchelm (talk) 12:34, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Grutness...wha?

THANKS, Grutness, for keeping an eye on the Lists of (works portraying) pedophilia and child abuse. The editor who ignored your request not to move your comments on her Talk page back to your Talk page has now deleted your comments from her page, on the grounds that they were "duplicates". Since you clearly warned her that you would delete them here, if again moved from where you posted them, and have (quite properly) done so, I have restored them on her page, where you put them, so that they would at least be somewhere.

The point being that Talk pages need to provide all editors a convenient and transparent record of all useful discussion pertaining to the editing of Wikipedia entries. Otherwise, how can anyone see -- and have any hope of understanding -- what has happened? This concept, as you have probably noticed, eludes the editor in question. There is little evidence that she has reviewed the Talk pages of the entries she has so aggressively edited this week. (Indeed, similarly, she may not have read -- being clearly in a great hurry -- your comment above that you would be deleting your own words if pasted back here by anyone else.) She has seriously mischaracterized previous discussion over the "List of books . . . " entry's title -- but there seems little point to trying to correct her misstatements since she is apparently confident that she can deduce what happened without bothering to read through Talk pages.

In any case, your comments on her approach were entirely appropriate and, I thought, quite tactful under the circumstances. I am grateful that an administrator has taken an interest.

Based on better than a year's experience with the Books entry, I predict that sooner or later problems with over-broad definitions of "paedophilia" (especially) and perhaps "child sexual abuse" will re-emerge. We may well have further need for intervention by a thoughtful neutral administrator.

In the meantime I will confine myself to removing titles of books that do not reasonably fit the description of "portraying paedophilia or child sexual abuse". That is hard to do at present because all works higher than E in the alphabet have been deleted from the original entry but not placed on the Talk page. To edit further down the list than E will require, I guess, going back to an older version of the page, copying the section in question, pasting it into the Talk page, editing it, and then hoping that when someone finally puts Humpty-Dumpty back together again one's edits will be preserved.

The deleting editor is not wrong that the page needed much work. Her approach, however, has made a mess. I am very grateful that someone has been willing to say so. Now that the major battle -- over the title -- has (apparently) been decided, I notice that no one is racing to restore perfectly-well cited entries that fit the currently-protected title. Whereas if the article had not been gutted, it would now be easy to trim it appropriately. You were right to point out that gutting isn't the best approach. SocJan (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied. Grutness...wha?

[edit] Pete Wheeler

hi there Grutness

This is christopher david, (always with out capitals) aka edieco who created the Wiki for Pete Wheeler, I live here in Berlin and am working with Pete on his European exhibitions, I have known Pete for over 8 years from my time in New Zealand, to inviting him to Berlin Last year and now on his relocation here.

The text used was brought together from many texts written about Pete over the years and from many writers and then recopy written by a professional writer friend of mine from London who normally charges 200 pounds a day, I understand it may have been slightly poetic than factual for a wiki page, I need to make some changes regarding his current work, as things have moved along.

If you would like the latest on what Pete is working on please go to www.kolektev-berlin.com


Many thank for your contribution

Regards

chirstopher david

info@kolektiv-berlin.com

Sorry but please stop adding in the text about the red rose it has not been in Petes work since 2004 if you want to see pics of his last show from the end of 2007 I am happy to send them to you. The text you are using is not yours its off the milford gallery website.

Good morning James thank you for your contribution to Petes Wiki, I just want to show a couple of examples of how your re wording of text is miss representing Pete by claiming your opinion is 'non cited'

original version "The artist vents his frustration at the unsuspecting viewing public and their acceptance of image at face value" Your re-write "frequently using images taken from political propaganda as a basis for the venting of his frustration at the acceptance of this manipulative political tool"

Can you see how you have changed the original meaning, from looking at peoples acceptance of all imagery at face value, to now only refering to political imagery. Pete samples images from many and varied locations, such as music videos, art books, documentary photographers and yes political imagery, but I think it is too narrow and to only refer to the political imagery of his 2002 - 2004 period.

If you would like to write about Pete that is fantastic but I suggest you look at a the full body of his work and not just those shows that have been in Dunedin, A four page article about his debut Berlin show can be found in last years Art News. His only remaining gallery in New Zealand is Whitespace in Auckland and he will be sending work back for them to show in July.

I hope my tone has not been to harsh, but you will understand I have an interest in making sure artist that I work with are not misrepresented in the public domain.

Regards

Christopher



—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.142.116 (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Resorting Category:Australia stubs

The above Category has been resorted. There are now 348 stubs (2 Pages) It has been removed from WikiProject StubSorting/To do list and there is a note on the Talk Page. Kathleen.wright5 02:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Osteo stubs, request

Hi and thanks for your message about the stub confusion. If you have a moment, I'd also be grateful if you could revert a mistaken template page move I made a short while ago. It's currently listed in Wikipedia:Requested moves' "Uncontroversial proposals" section: Template:US national health institutes → Template:National Institutes of Health. I think it happened around the same time as the stubs, so I guess must've lost concentration. Sardanaphalus (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stub list

Just curious; but, how do you even get Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types to load? I agree that there's no point in duplicating the other page, but, if my stubbornness at refusing to let a wiki-technical issue get the best of me had not been so strong, I would have left the page as-is after the first few times at trying to restore it.  :-) Neier (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiDragon

You may want to add your userpage to Category:Wikipedian WikiDragons if you wish to have your name displayed on that page with other WikiDragons. Note that even though the link is red, the names are still displayed. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 02:29, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Mmm. Good point. It looks as though it was not deleted unanimously, though. I think I'll abandon my project of inviting the users that link there, just to avoid causing riots. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 03:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Amuri, New Zealand

Well I'm not the one who named the article with "New Zealand" in the title. =) Anyway, I did look for a Cook Islands stub tag but didn't find it. I've added it to the "Discoveries" page. Powers T 02:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It's known about, and was proposed - it's just not listed on the big list yet, since it doesn't havce a separate category. Grutness...wha?

[edit] Category:History of the Amazon

Not then knowing the guidelines, I created the above-cited unproposed category. The Amazon includes parts of five countries, so it is not a subset of just Brazil (as Texas is to the United States). It is a region within South America. What should be done in this case? I could see up-merging with History of South America, so that WP would not have to confront History of Andean South America, History of the Plate River basin, and so on. Cheers, Wloveral (talk) 01:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC) (Yes, the same guy who gave you stub trouble over Brazilian scientists). --Wloveral (talk) 01:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Updated:Redirects at User:Grutness/Stub discoveries to vet

I've updated your Redirects list on the above page. Every strikethru or removal has been explained. Kathleen.wright5 04:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your suggestions

Hi there, Thanks for you kind advice and suggestions which I have attempted to follow (check me please :-)) I will sit tight today and try to put up some more content tomorrow (some ex the DPL website) which hopefully won't be pulled off. Cheers, Paul. Paul151 (talk) 01:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stub Deletion

Commented here, does that resolve your concerns? Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Mind explaining the issue to me? That would be helpful. Also, I'm sorry, but I'm not familiar with Category:UNKNOWN [2]. Mind fixing your mess? And, I don't see the issue there? Explain that too. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 02:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you then suggest a new name? I still fail to see the issue, and you haven't bothered to provide a reason at all, something you are required to do is provide reasoning, not just tag any article/category you please without explaining the issue. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll withdraw what I said above, sorry about that. I've explained fully on my talk page. I wasn't aware of those sort of naming conventions, for categories. But, I hope this can be resolved. Theres an explanation on my talk page. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 07:34, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


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[edit] Barnstar

Hi Grutness, thank you, appreciated! XLerate (talk) 07:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CFD Discussion

✓ Done. I've just gone and commented. The category you suggested, im a bit iffy on. I don't think "expert attention" really fits, and, if possible, I'd like to keep the categories separate, ie, not merge them into one, as I think it could cause some template issues. It definitely helps to get input from the Wikiproject. As I said before, I co-ordinate Wikiproject 24, so most of my time on Wikipedia goes into there, and these categories alert me to the fact work on articles is needed, then I can work on them. It's very much a Wikiproject category, but it's one that I feel is useful to our project. Steve Crossin (talk) (review) 01:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Articles on Category talk:India geography stubs

I've de-redlinked and cleaned up a section of the Agartala article on the above page. I know it's not a stub anymore, but it looks so much better now. Would it be OK to do the rest of the articles on the above page? Kathleen.wright5 13:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frankleigh Park

[edit] AfD nomination of Frankleigh Park

An article that you have been involved in editing, Frankleigh Park, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frankleigh Park. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Grimhim (talk) 04:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for the laugh :)

I saw this edit and previous one and started laughing. Thanks. :) P.S. Sticking keyboards suck. :) Rockfang (talk) 06:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 07:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You mentioned User:Kahuroa, User:XLerate, and User:Good Olfactory in NZ and User:JackofOz. I had already invited Olfactory; Kahuroa and Xlerate aren't active enough for the project, but I did send an invite to JackofOz, thanks for pointing him out. Useight (talk) 07:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mahia Peninsula

Not claiming to know anything about NZ in particular; but should not the title of Mahia Peninsula be Māhia Peninsula? Asking here since you created the article. --Harald Khan Ճ 08:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Very well, thank you for your reply. --Harald Khan Ճ 14:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More map requests

You created a location map for me a couple of months ago, Image:NZ-Northland plain map2.png. Could you add to your long-term plan to create similar maps for each district in New Zealand? I'll be another month or so working on Northland, then I'll switch to another area of the country - I was thinking of Marlborough.

Also, I want to create a map of the locations of schools in Northland, similar to Image:NewZealandAirportsMap.png but based on the Northland location map. The density of schools in the Whangarei area is too great for this approach to work, and I was thinking of having a map with a second degree of zoom (ie New Zealand with Northland highlighted, then Northland with the greater Whangarei area highlighted, then the greater Whangarei area), but I tried a mockup and it looks clumsy. I think I'll use the Northland map for the schools other than those near Whangarei, and a separate map of Whangarei. My attempt at the base map is at Image:Whangarei map.png. I used m:WikiMiniAtlas for a location outside of the map area (so no red dot shows), and set the captions to Chinese (so no captions were available for the area) and took a screenshot. I could get a better screenshot I think if I customised WikiMiniAtlas to use a larger display window, but I'm sure you can produce a much better looking map of approximately the same area; would you mind doing so? Please upload any maps to commons, since I'll use them in both en: and mi:-gadfium 23:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. No rush, it will at least a few weeks before I need the Whangarei map, and about a month before I need the Marlborough one.-gadfium 00:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Queensland locations

G'day Lankiveil - good to see a few new articles on places in Queensland...but can I ask one favour? If you make any more stubs for places like Bellmere, Queensland, could you add {{Queensland-geo-stub}} rather than just {{stub}}? It'll save a little sorting work further down the track. Cheers - and keep up the good work :) Grutness...wha? 23:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, I'mnot that big an expert on stub-sorting. I'll be sure to use that stub type in the future. Or, alternatively, I could start the articles as fully featured B-Class articles from the get-go =). Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Date articles

Thanks for the link. I think that it's inevitable that the way will be cleared for a something like a 20th century Wiki project, with all 36,524 days of the century covered, but for now, I'll live with things as they are. Mandsford (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Removal of many individual date articles

Hey!

Thanks for the heads up on that discussion. The debate seems to be somewhat stale but I still gave my $0.02.

Peace! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Allow me to add my thanks for the heads up. You saved us a lot of trouble. TN‑X-Man 20:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cancel Whangarei map

I started to produce the map of Northland localities with schools, and realised that it would be hopelessly crowded unless I cranked the size of the map up to excessive levels. Instead, I produced a map just of localities with secondary education (secondary and composite schools), and managed to get everything to fit, including the Whangarei schools. You can see the result at List of schools in Northland, New Zealand. I could make a better job with a customised map where I add the labels directly to the image, but it wouldn't be as easy for someone else to edit if a school closes or a new one opens. I'll try and add some more text to the lede which will reduce the white space where the first table is forced below the map. Can you tell I have ambitions for this to become a featured list?

Anyway, I no longer need a map of the Whangarei area - I hope you hadn't already started work on it. I still need maps of Marlborough, and other regions of New Zealand, as before.-gadfium 02:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok - thanks for that. The Northland map looks good (and no, I hadn't started working on one yet!). Grutness...wha? 02:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category syriacs

Hello my friend. I wonder if you could move all articles in category Syriacs to category Syriac people ? AramaeanSyriac (talk) 10:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I know a bot could do that but i dont know what to do? AramaeanSyriac (talk) 13:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
For all your hard work and tedious editing to make Wikipedia a better place, you deserve lots more of these. Matt (talk) 10:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


That is where i met you, but looking over your edit history and all the work you do for the place, i thought it was about time! You deserve it! Matt (talk) 00:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hi Grutness; I remember you flattered me once by mentioning you would nominate me as an admin someday. When you have a moment, could you take a look at this and let me know what you think? Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:35, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disamb

Thanks for that. I was considering just having the largest settlement as the main page and then saying there ar also two settlements with the same name but I wasn't happy with this. What I found annoying was that it was taken to afd chiefly before we could properly discuss how to go about it. Obviously I've come across many places with the same name before but often the country I'm working on has clear fourth level divisions or small communes where rarely the villages lies in the same one. Hope you are well ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 09:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Glass stubs

Could you please have a look at Glass stubs an see if I do it correctly? The categories under Glass stubs could easily be deleted, if desired, and the content could be moved to the category Glass stubs, including all templates. What is your suggestion? I did not start yet with the glass engineering stub. Thank you. -- Afluegel (talk) 14:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Chase (land)

Thanks for the contact. That's all well and good, but unless there's a clear note about that somewhere, it's rather hard for less informed users to know. --Jza84 |  Talk  10:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] {{East Germany-stub}}

Hi - a stub template, category, or redirect which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 04:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Having noted the points you raise (and I can't really object to any of them), I wanted to point out, the stub/category are meant to be sub-stub/categories of the parent, rather than a category in its own right. Are there are not any similar categories/stubs, particularly for a sub-theme of the original?? I can see potential for this category to grow, especially as many themes remain to be covered. (Berk2 (talk) 04:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC))
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