User talk:Gwen Gale

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Contents 1 Anti-Americanism 2 Petri dishes in Byzantium 3 GSTS, The Final Chapter 4 Fan mail 5 Smile!

[edit] Anti-Americanism

Come help us, this article needs the Dude touch..:) Igor Berger (talk) 10:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Argh! Stop that! :) Anyway, I'll have a look this evening (real life is calling) and if it looks like I can wade into it without causing too many waves, I shall. Gwen Gale (talk) 10:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Well there is a ssp problem there, and the more involved editors we can bring the less it will be "he does not like me" the ssp edit warred with an established article admin. We just reverted to pre sock #1, and I adviced to lock it if there is revert-battle. I know you are good in mediation, so maybe you can find a way to talk to the editor, irrelevent of ssp, agf! The editor to consern wants to debate everything, no debate he reverts. I adviced we are not a debate but consensus. "what is consesus you talking about." Well I let you decide. You can find SSP and WQA once you get there. Judge for yourself. Thanks, Igor Berger (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I can tell you now the answer could likely be in sourcing every shred of the text as independent commentary even down to quotes for the most controversial bits if need be but as I said, I'll have a look. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Everything is souced, been sourced, the admin been working on the article for many years. the editor, keeps saying this is no good, delete, this no encyclopidic, delete, this or delete, this not vr, delete, this pov, delete. In the past few month the article shrunk to 20% of original. it became just a dictionary definition not an article. sock #1 nominated aa for afd as dictionary definition it failed with a keep. ssp hacked the article to dictionary definition. ducks quak! there is more! Igor Berger (talk) 11:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I like them in ponds and rivers though :) Gwen Gale (talk) 11:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

oh dude, can a duck be a swane, or a rose is just a flower if not by other name. Igor Berger (talk) 11:33, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

For your own good, see the subsection Igor the Troll here [1] before wasting more time with this editor. Life.temp (talk) 15:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd seen that. This sort of thing will not do. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Accusations of harrassment? I think the behavior of this editor speaks for itself. Igor Berger (talk) 17:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Igor, you might want to think about all this anyway. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, what I am really conserned about is wikipedia, what this editor doing is furmenting such hatred that it is beyond all resonable thinking. I am not doing this for myself, but for other editors including User:Durova who get constantly abused and harrassed for their postive contribution to wikipedia. this is a problem of systematic bias towards wikipedia articles anf npov editors who work so hard to maintain controversial topics. this is an attack on aall that we as a community stand for. everything that is ggood about wikipedia is being assailed to contaminate with trash. I am not the first one to get such treatment. Igor Berger (talk) 17:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You might want to think about not trashing other users (and following them around) but sticking to making helpful, sourced edits. If someone disagrees with you, the last thing that'll make them reconsider is comparing their edits to industrial genocide. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, I do appreciate your point raised, but before you criticize me in such light you need to familiarize yourself with the issue at hand. I can show you to the evidence, but it will be pyling mud on top of mud. So, if you are interested in understanding what is involved here, please investigate, I am sure you will be able to come to your own objective neutral interpertation of what is transpiring here. I am trying not preinfluence the outcome but let you make your own enlighted decision. Thank you, Igor Berger (talk)

The pith isn't what stirred you to do it, but that you make these trashy characterizations of editors and goings-on as if you're plugged into some "higher notion" as to what Wikipedia is all about. Stop the sweeping, hurtful commentaries, is all and stop following editors around. If they're truly as unhelpful as you think, they'll canny trip up on their own without any need for you to nettle them. Ok? Gwen Gale (talk) 01:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Good observaion. Point taken. Thank you for your advice. Igor Berger (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Petri dishes in Byzantium

I'm (mostly) outta here for a while, and here's my parting appeal. -- Hoary (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GSTS, The Final Chapter

I appreciate your comments here. I cannot explain the level of the pain when I see or hear racism, but especially anti-Semitism. I think we here on Wikipedia try to equate racist comments to uncivil comments, but racism is a whole different level of uncivility, and the reaction back is not deserving of good faith or civility in return. In my company, I terminate an employee for cause whenever I hear uncivil comments. HalfShadow's comments to you and here are hardly helpful. He's obsessing over my battles with anti-Semitism. His stalking is quite amusing, actually. Anyways, thanks for your support and empathy. It is appreciated.OrangeMarlin ^{Talk• Contributions} 04:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fan mail

Hey Gwen,

I'll admit, I've been snooping. Keeping track of who is who is not a strong suit of mine, so I don't remember seeing your name before. In the last week, for some reason, you've commented on half a dozen topics in various places that I've been watching/participating in. I've been uniformly impressed with your comments and demeanor, so I thought I'd check and see who this relative newcomer was, and discover you've been here way longer than me, have made way more contributions, and have spent orders of magnitude more time in Wiki-space than me. I don't know why the name sounded so new; have you recently increased your project space participation or something? Humbling, and slightly embarrassing; perhaps extremely poor name regognition should be an officially designated disability.

Anyway, at the time I thought you were an extremely clueful up-and-comer, and I was just looking thru your talk page archives, surprised that no one has suggested you try an RfA, when I finally thought to check and saw you actually had one in January (completely missed that one). Just a quick note to say that the concerns raised by the opposers seem, to me, to have been substantially addressed since that RfA (if they hadn't been already before the RfA), and when/if you decide to try again, you've got at least one more in the "support" column than you had last time. The magical "3 month rule" has been passed, so I wonder if it's going to be soon? There are many much-more-established people around to nominate you when you decide to try, but if you ever feel you're short one nominator, let me know.

Also, thanks in advance for any further suggestions you have about talking to Igor. I don't think it's quite the lost cause that others do. I could very easily be wrong.

See you around. --barneca (talk) 17:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ta! Soon maybe. By the bye, I think your willingness to work with Igor is wonderful (and way beyond the call). Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 16:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smile!