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Contents 1 WTO Naming Conventions 2 Taiwan 3 Logo 4 European Communities 4.1 Netherlands Antilles 5 Too big, need to be deleted 6 Protected over RoM issue 7 Edit protected 8 Disagreeable edits by some users 9 Belgium 10 Republic of Macedonia

[edit] WTO Naming Conventions

I have edited the template to accomodate all the naming conventions used by the WTO. This is the most NPOV way we can do things, I think. - Gavin - 06/17/2005

[edit] Taiwan

The name of Republic of China (Taiwan) is rather tricky. Can it be used instead of "Taiwan"? Thank you.--User:202.61.117.5

Taiwan's title in WTO is not Chinese Taipei. It is Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu (台灣、澎湖、金門及馬祖個別關稅領域). If the template can not accomondate such a long name, I think it would be more accurate if we use Taiwan for the recognizability rather than a name that is not used in this organization at all.--Mababa 05:04, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

'Chinese Taipei' is what they seem to use as a shorthand, it is what is in their list of members. -- Joolz 08:02, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Currently the Republic of China is listed as "Separate Custons Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu", but sorted in the alphabetical list on "Taiwan". Maybe it should be sorted on "Separate" instead? (212.247.11.153 20:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC))

• I reckon it's meant to be thought of as "Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu, Separate Customs Territory of" in terms of indexing. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 01:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

The WTO Logo says "Logo of APEC"? I'm just curious as to why and my lack of knowledge leads me to not want to change it. Also, I think it looks ugly how it sits on part of the top bar and covers it. Could someone do better formatting? like move it down so it's centered vertically in the lower cavity of the box? -gren

[edit] European Communities

Poland was added to the template, making it the only EU country to be included in the list. I've reverted this for consistancy for now. The WTO states that all the EU member states are members of the WTO, and that the EU (or techincally, EC) is a member of the WTO. It also states that in 99% of cases the EU countries are represented by the EU. Therefore, my question is, should we include the EU countries in the template as well, or exclude them? -- Joolz 01:01, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I think they should be excluded. There is no need to have an overlap of listing both, and as there is complete freedom of trade within them, I think they should be removed. I have also removed them now, temporarily at least, as I am unhappy with them being added by Cantus without justifiying it in discussion. - Gerbon689

I think it would be better to include them. It is misleading if we don't list all the members. I noticed this template on a page, and I was extremely astonished to see Hungary missing - until I got here. An average reader might instead just get the impression that an EU country they looked for is not a member of the WTO. KissL 14:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

The EU definetly isn't a country (not yet, anyway), but it is without question, much more than an international organisation. It does have many characteristics of a country: a common currency which eventually all members (except 3) will have to adopt (new requirement for admission), but to further this, unlike most other currencies which span more than one state, it's currency code is EUR, i.e. doesn't begin with X. It also has other common policies, and other more loose ones which resemble international organisations. I think it should remain as EC (although I'd rather EU, since it makes more sense), since the individual states aren't actual members. - RedHotHeat 17:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

List should be essentially the same as [1] so both European Communities and the Member States. --Henrygb 07:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

I think all countries on that official list should be in the template. You'd need to know beforehand that European Communities represent all EU members. And by not including those European countries you're missing the handy links to Economy of... pages, which you have for all other member states. --Lijnema 13:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Just another note, that the EC has a common currency with all except three countries isn't correct, in fact, only twelve of the twentyfive countries of the EC are in the Eurozone. Counties eventually switching to the Euro isn't our concern at this point, we have to reflect the current situation, not guess at a distant (if plausible) future. Anyway, the WTO states that "The 25 member States of the EU are WTO members in their own right."[2] and again, my main issue is that it's confusing because all other WTO members are listed individually. --Lijnema 17:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

So, does anyone have any more ideas on this? --Lijnema 01:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Netherlands Antilles

What should be done with the Netherlands Antilles (which is not part of the EU customs union and EC law does not apply)? According to WTO's website [3], the Netherlands membership represents the Netherlands in Europe and the Netherlands Antilles. — Instantnood 07:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, my opinion is of course that all the European members should be in the list, and if they are, I think the Netherlands Antilles can be left out. If the European members aren't on the list it would still be confusing to put "Netherlands" in the list, because it wouldn't be clear why (unless you'd read the discussion here). Putting "Netherlands Antilles" would be misleading as well, since they aren't a member. --Lijnema 12:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If all EU members are listed, this would perhaps be one of the possible solutions. — Instantnood 13:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that looks good. I think I'd prefer: Netherlands (also representing the Netherlands Antilles) over Netherlands — For the Kingdom in Europe and for the Netherlands Antilles, since it's slightly shorter, but I agree, something like that would be good. --Lijnema 13:53, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

That was copied from the official list on WTO's website (and technically they've a higher tier of government atop the three countries in the Kingdom). Alternatively, we can have a footnote. :-) — Instantnood 14:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

List the European Communities/Union with the members as separate members in brackets. I've done it. —Nightstallion (?) 23:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too big, need to be deleted

This template is way too big, and somewhat rediculous in that so many countries are a part of the WTO. It can easily be replaced with a List of countires in the WTO or something like that.

I think it should be nominated for deletion on WP:TFD, anyone agree? --Commander Keane 12:14, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protected over RoM issue

I've protected the template for now. Now, to spell it out clearly: We use "Republic of Macedonia" on Wikipedia, as this is the most neutral way to call this country, despite what some Greeks would like to make us believe. ;) What exactly are your problems with that? —Nightstallion (?) 05:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The most neutral way would probably be sticking with the names they use as members of the WTO. — Instantnood 17:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Not really, because that would represent the WTO's point of view. —Nightstallion (?) 12:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

The same template also lists "Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu" (as opposed to "Republic of China" or "Taiwan"). Isn't that also following WTO's POV? Can it be concluded that SCToTPKaM = RoC and that FYRoM = RoM, or do the countries have to be listed under the names registered at WTO? (Stefan2 20:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Edit protected

Please swap {{Tnavbar-mini|WTO}} for {{Tnavbar|WTO|mini=1}} to replace a deprecated template. Thanks. (→Netscott) 00:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Done Ashibaka tock 18:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Ashibaka, as of now the previous template is completely deprecated... perfect! :-) (→Netscott) 18:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disagreeable edits by some users

Re [4] - First, I can't understand why he has kept removing the Netherlands Antilles. Second, the list on WTO website uses & instead of and for Saint Vincent and Grenadines. Third, FYROM is mentioned in brackets on the list on the WHO website. Fourth, WTO spells Macao instead of Macau. Fifth, WTO spells Guinea Bissau not Guinea-Bissau. Sixth, the PRC claims the territories under ROC administration, yet its membership at the WTO is not representing ROC's territories (i.e. the Separate Customs Territory of Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matsu for the WTO), as well as its [PRC's] two special administrative regions (which are both founder members), despite joining the WTO under the name China in 2001. — Instantnood 11:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC) (revised 11:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

I removed the Netherlands? Dont think so, for I still see it in the template. As for all other edits, wikipedia uses its own naming conventions, so its not neccesary to follow external sources to the last detail, unless one is trying to push a political point. Lastly, I note Instantnood's failure to mention his undercover attempt to change the link Economy of the People's Republic of China to a redirect.--Huaiwei 11:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

How would following the list on the WTO website be pushing a political point? And I've explained why China should be linked to mainland China instead of People's Republic of China. — Instantnood 11:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Simple: by following a source when it happens to contain your preferred naming conventions. You did not mention your attempts to link to a redirect, which is not prefered as per wiki guidelines.--Huaiwei 11:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliable sources should be followed, regardless of anybody's preference.

I have explained. The People's Republic of China, although a member of the WTO as China, does not represent its two special administrative regions and ROC's territories at the WTO. It represents the economy, the trade interests, customs, etc., of mainland China. — Instantnood 11:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Reliability is not under contestation here, so do not attempt to find excuses to cover up your disputed edits. Irrespective of just who they represent, the links should lead to pages with a page title, and not to a redirect.--Huaiwei 12:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

You know well why that article has now been titled as such. — Instantnood 13:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Please write in comprehensable English.--Huaiwei 13:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you please kindly explain what comprehensable means? Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 13:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belgium

Belgium is not on it, België staat er niet op.

There are no EU countries on the list at all. There's a little discussion a bit up on this page under European Communities. --Lijnema 13:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Republic of Macedonia

It should be Republic of Macedonia .Mo1981 (talk) 13:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)