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[edit] Kadima primary

Still no time to write the article? Aww... ;) —Nightstallion 14:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

According to People's Daily, you could write the article now... ;) —Nightstallion 13:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Junior Barranquilla?

WTF? where did you come up with that name? should we call REAL MADRID... ROYAL MADRID?????????????? pleasse revert!!! don't come up with that made up bullshit! Atlético Junior!!!--76.19.149.244 (talk) 01:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FOOTY discussion

Hi 57, not to sound annoying or anything, but I've recently started a discussion regarding the names of Brazilian clubs on wikipedia (here) and considering the scale and importance of the clubs involved and the fact that there is no formal move request, I thought it might be a good idea to inform some of the regular WP:FOOTY contributors in order to get a consensus and not just a few opinions. So if you could take a second to express your opinion, it would be appreciated, cheers. BanRay 22:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. On an unrelated note, could you please review and delete this image. There is an identical copy on commons, so I've tagged this one for deletion a few days ago. I'd like to improve the quality of the image, but can't do anything with it until it's present both here and on commons, since the commons one has to be an exact copy of the original one in order to get it deleted through csd, cheers! BanRay 11:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Cheers! BanRay 11:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Meadow

We most certainly do. What about Emirates Stadium? The STFC stadium has only ever been named Prostar Stadium. Anything else is totally unofficial. Had the stadium been renamed, I would agree with you, but it will only get renamed in 4 years' time.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 16:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

See also: Liberty Stadium, Swansea.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 16:24, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you sure? Look at Shrewsbury programmes or tickets to see what the stadium name has been over the past year. What does the sign say at the gate? On the stadium walls? No stadium name to be found. It gets called the New Meadow, the New Stadium, Oteley Road Stadium, the New Shrewsbury Town Stadium, the New Gay Meadow etc. because it didn't have a name. Until last night.
If you want to claim that other stadia had established names before their sponsorship, think of:
  • Arsenal's stadium, known as Ashburton Grove for several years before 2006.
  • Swansea had the New Stadium moniker for nearly three months before their sponsorship deal was confirmed.
But forget about other examples. I agree with the precedent/policy that you quote, but clearly it does not apply to STFC.
Your argument is that Shrewsbury's stadium had an established name, when it clearly has not. Read this for a clue:
The new Shrewsbury Town stadium has been named The Prostar Stadium, after over a year without a title.
I'm disappointed by your stance, particularly as myself and the natives of Shropshire have patiently waited for a name for their stadium, only to be delivered a less than great name. People are already mocking it, calling it the Pornstar Stadium! I hope you reconsider, as I am adamant that Prostar Stadium, no matter how bad it is, is the only name the stadium has had.
 slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 23:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Obviously you can't understand.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 17:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Didn't mean 'duh' personally..sorry for that. But I do stand by the above statement, so I've started the naming debate on the article's talk page.  slυмgυм [ ←→ ] 17:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Regional council maps

Mapping all the regional councils could prove rather difficult, depending on your experience with making maps. However, there is an interactive service which has all the borders you're looking for, located here. You need to download an ActiveX control, and it only works on Internet Explorer-based browsers. Hope this is what you're looking for. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 22:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd be willing to make a series of such maps (probably have made more maps than anyone on the project, not to mention that more experienced mapmakers on Wikipedia probably don't speak Hebrew and would have trouble using the link I provided), but as I said, it would take a ton of time, and it's just not one of my top priorities at the moment. However, I have noted it as a 'to do' and will try to start with the Center District sometime soon. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 08:40, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
On a side note, would you like to help me with something? I'm trying to bring up the article Arad, Israel to A-class or FA-class if possible, and have fixed all the problems from the last peer review except the short lead. It needs 3 full paragraphs and I just don't know what to put there. Could you help me with that? Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 09:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't translate Mif'alot Afek. The word mif'alot means deeds, similar to pe'ulot, but it's an archaic Psalms word (I dare not say Biblical, because King David seems to have invented hundreds of words). On the other hand, I'd translate the regional council to Northern Sharon Regional Council, per WP:ENGLISH.
By the way, I'm looking for a Wikipedia policy which discourages putting loosely related information in articles when the information already exists in more relevant articles. Do you know one?
Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 17:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Zerahia - yes, it should be removed. Zevulun - not sure, it's really a borderline case, and I think more of an issue of WP:COMMONNAME because he was a Biblical figure and I'm sure a lot of things were named for him. Maybe other editors should be consulted, because we're dealing with many articles and transliterations of the name (many modern-Israel-related articles mention the word Zevulun/Zvulun in various ways, also people like Zvulun Orlev). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:40, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheers on creating the Zrahia article, I have an army friend from there. In any case, something that really bothers me is the current spelling of Kiryat Mal'akhi. It should be Kiryat Mal'akhi according to WP:HE, also Mal'akhi implies the more correct pronunciation. Not sure what the common name is. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Frustrated?

I noticed your edit history comment over at Péter Gulácsi...honestly, I feel for you, but the PROD process is supposed to be for completely uncontested deletions. If people aren't allowed to contest prods, even as an IP, it compromises the system. It really does no good to re-add the prod...prod patrollers will catch it on this list, any good admin would notice it and not delete the article, and even if it is deleted, one post at WP:DRV brings it right back. It's always better to bring these to AFD...I like to think of it as putting a nail in the coffin, myself...a page that's deleted by XFD is much harder to bring back. I'll do this one for you. --UsaSatsui (talk) 07:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A.F.C. Norwich

I've removed the PROD, because under their former name (Norwich Union F.C.) they did play in the F.A. Vase for two seasons in the late 70s. I have added this information to the stub of an article. They have however never played at the equivalent of today's Step 6 or above, so in my eyes are still a possible candidate for AfD. - fchd (talk) 06:59, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of UWE Hockey Mens 1st XI

Hi,

I am writing to discuss the deletion of my page as I believe it is of valuable interest and purely fact based to those in the Bristol area. The team, for which I am now no longer a player will be updated regulary with results and is referenced with links to the official leagues for proof of the facts. The team plays in the top flight of university leagues in the country getting over 100 spectators for every match. The sport and the interest of the team in the local area keeps on growing and I would ask you to please reconsider allowing me to place my page on wikipedia.

Many thanks, Steve Steverhodes7

[edit] My Page

Could you please if possible give me some advice how I could display my page through other means if possible..like on another website for example as I have spent many hours creating the page for what I thought was a valuable contribution.

Thanks, Steve Steverhodes7 —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Page 2

Would the formulas from wikipedia work in geocities? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steverhodes7 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Page 3

Hi,

Oh Please just let me keep my page, it is of great interest to many people in Bristol and I have spent hours creating it (20+). If there is anything I can change to make it allowed I will do that. Asking you kindly,

Thanks, Steve --Steverhodes7 (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of two player's articles

OK, I read your page saying people complain about you deleting articles on here, but I actually don't understand why you have with mine. "Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a real person" - the two players' pages I created were because they were both players with a history at Cheltenham, just because I don't know as much about them as I'd like to, doesn't mean they're "not important". Aaron Ledgister is developing into a very promising player, and I had to browse about five websites AND a Football Manager game just to find out information, it took a good two hours.

And just to show why I'm annoyed, you've made tiny articles about non-existent teams, I don't quite see the "importance" in them.

Sorry if I'm coming across a bit harsh, speaking face-to-face is better than just writing! Dave (talk) 13:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Two of the articles are Burton Swifts F.C. and New Brighton Tower F.C.. Dave (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Fair do's. Could you send me what I did for the Aaron Ledgister and Will Puddy articles on this talk page, then I'll copy them over to my computer and save them for later, if they ever play a first-team game for a League club! Thanks, Dave (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Email's on, thanks. Dave (talk) 13:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] disrespect for you

Well Thanks for responding to my earlier message You really don't respect anyone apart from your little wikipedians --Steverhodes7 (talk) 19:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MY PAGE 3234434

WELL IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN USE THE WIKIPEDIA SOFTWARE AND STORE MY PAGE SO I CAN USE IT? WHY CAN I NOT PUT IT ON MY USER PAGE IF IT NOT PART OF THE ENCYCLOPEDIA?!? --Steverhodes7 (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MY PAGE 3234434a

My User Page is totally about me, its about me and my team...SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? --Steverhodes7 (talk) 20:16, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MY PAGE 3234434aA

Well look here, I find your manner and your foul and abusive language with swearing highly abusive and I shall be writing a letter of complaint to higher authority.I am well within my rights to write about something to do with me and something I love on my user page and it seems like you are abusing your power as it seems like you may have a very average to poor real life by bullying people on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steverhodes7 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A few issues

I was originally going to leave you a message regarding your deprodding of the Blofield article, but thought better of it as I didn't want to start another confrontation.

However, your comment on the AfD really suggests that you have a problem.

  1. You are suggesting that I am lying and not including AfDs which have not resulted in delete. This is not the case - I have included the 11 most recent AfDs on such clubs - all of them have resulted in the deletion of all clubs which fail to meet the criteria.
  2. Your statement that "given the number of your club AFDs that you've withdrawn recently" is also rubbish. I haven't withdrawn any AfDs on clubs - I withdrew a few clubs from a single AfD, but that is all.
  3. Sarcastic comment? Where? If you're referrung to my edit summary here, this is not sarcasm. Sarcasm would be something like "Good deprod, well made". Stating that "This is a serious waste of everyone's time" is just an observation.
  4. Lastly, I do not list prods on the project list because I prod so many goddamn pointless articles that the list would be endless. Plus I know that 99% of people on the project share my sentiments on such articles.

I really suggest you re-evaluate your approach to other users here, as you are becoming thoroughly unpleasant to deal with. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

  • I have a problem? I think that's failing to assume good faith. Please follow WP:FAITH and other guidelines.
  1. 5 of your last 9 AFDs of teams failed. Yes you did link to it, but you overlooked that in your text. I wouldn't call that lying, though ... that's a little black and white isn't it? Besides, how many of your "endless prods" have I removed? One (I think) ... most seem bang on. It may well be valid, but I think require a bit more thought in case a mistake is made.
  2. "Your statement that "given the number of your club AFDs that you've withdrawn recently" is also rubbish. I haven't withdrawn any AfDs on clubs - I withdrew a few clubs from a single AfD, but that is all." - that's splitting hairs isn't it?
  3. perhaps sarcastic wasn't the correct description. Perhaps failing to assume good faith is.
  4. I'm "becoming thoroughly unpleasant to deal with"? Your the one who keeps harrasing me and violating Wikipedia guidelines left, right, and centre. I've had to warn you about personal attacks previously, and it appears you are still doing that - and I note that you managed to violate Section 3.1 of the Blocking policy today - not that he didn't have it coming, but another editor should have done it, not you. And I don't think your use of vulgar language in your posts on his page really helped (no I'm not stalking you or anything - couldn't help noticing as it was right above this).

Anyway, I wish you wouldn't start being personal about the whole project. Simply because some disagrees with you isn't a reason to start. Nfitz (talk) 09:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

"5 of your last 9 AFDs of teams failed. Yes you did link to it, but you overlooked that in your text." Rubbish. I clearly stated that all the teams that failed to meet the criteria were deleted, which is true. Why are you making such a big deal out of the fact that one out of 11 AfDs had some mistakes in?
This isn't about assuming good faith, because you are very clearly not acting in good faith. You have been acting on some personal vendetta since our first disagreement at an AfD (taking those articles to DRV just went to prove it) and are using comments on AfDs and deprodding to make some kind of twisted WP:POINT. As for accusing me of harassing you - what cheek! Seems strange how you end up commenting on almost every AfD I do, and strangely, almost always in the opposite way.
If you want me to assume good faith, how about you start creating some articles (on notable subjects) or expanding existing articles, rather than spending all your time in AfD conflicts. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
"5 of your last 9 AFDs of teams failed. Yes you did link to it, but you overlooked that in your text." Rubbish. I clearly stated that all the teams that failed to meet the criteria were deleted, which is true. Why are you making such a big deal out of the fact that one out of 11 AfDs had some mistakes in?
This isn't about assuming good faith, because you are very clearly not acting in good faith. You have been acting on some personal vendetta since our first disagreement at an AfD (taking those articles to DRV just went to prove it) and are using comments on AfDs and deprodding to make some kind of twisted WP:POINT. As for accusing me of harassing you - what cheek! Seems strange how you end up commenting on almost every AfD I do, and strangely, almost always in the opposite way.
If you want me to assume good faith, how about you start creating some articles (on notable subjects) or expanding existing articles, rather than spending all your time in AfD conflicts. пﮟოьεԻ 57 10:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I think the question is why are you making such a big deal that I challenged one of your prods. You seemed to prod a couple of dozen articles in the last fortnight, and I unprodded one (I think - I really don't look at whose it was, and I did unprod a couple of others, but they were on the deletion list, so I don't think they were yours). Surely that indicates that I support you 95% of the time. And I've supported - or at least failed to comment because support was overwhelming or I was neutral, on most of the AFDs currently ongoing. I've been mostly commenting on Football-project stuff lately. And most of my editing has been in that area too lately. I really don't see why your commenting that I'm commenting on "almost every AfD" that you do; I think there are several others doing that too - except that you seem to be picking on me because I don't agree with you. I'm looking through on what I've commented on recently, and some I have commented on a long time before you did. And others you didn't comment at all. And oddly here is one non-Football one I commented on, and then you popped in later on ... though I guess you agreed with me ... anyway, I'm thinking you are reading far too much into this. I'm just looking at your edit history ... if I start commenting on Isreali AfDs then there is an issue! In the meantime, can you just bring your comments down a level and try to be civil? Nfitz (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I was looking at those 2 old DRVS that apparently "taking those articles to DRV just went to prove it". Just not understanding that comment. I withdrew one of those after it became apparent that the source document (A Wikipedia page!) that proved notability was just plain wrong - and then I AFDed that page myself - the discussion DRV resulted in an improved Wikipedia. And in the other the deletion got upheld but you got rapped on the knuckles for not following process; surely it is my duty to speak up when a closing admin doesn't follow process (particularly when I disagree with the decision). I fail to see why you think that this is anything about you - if anything it could look to me that you have had your own vendetta since I spoke out aginst a AfD you had closed improperly - but I'm trying not to see it this way. Anyway probably best if we both drop the discussion, and try and work together to improve the project, rather than butting heads; though this means I'll likely to continue to challenge PRODs and AfDs - but surely having discussion about these things only improves the project; I'm trying very hard not to simply keep beating the same drum if consensus is otherwise. Nfitz (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acting Pres

And why not? It's nothing more than leaving out information by that logic. Why aren't they needed? The very fact of their provisional state does not rule out the fact that they were in the post. As long as they have been noted as acting, there shouldn't be a problem. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

But they aren't part of the problem; I'm only including those specified as Acting Presidents at the end of the others' term. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. Rulers.org and our very own list shows only those men and woman as acting presidents, not the rest. Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Notes, exactly. Notes are what I'm trying to show. I'm not saying that they were president, I'm saying that they were acting president and I've tried to show that as clearly as possible. To leave them out would be to pretend they were never acting presidents, which cannot be done. Other templates show their acting heads, why should Israel be any different? Therequiembellishere (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, then. It may take a while, though. Thank you for not acting hostile as I've recently been getting. Therequiembellishere (talk) 14:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

...for deleting Chris Dyson. I was just trying to get the wording right on a db-g6 template, and you saved me a bit of worry. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 13:58, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Akanni-Sunday Wasiu

Can you review your AfD? We might disagree on what constitutes "played in a fully professional league", but surely this one meets your criteria? Nfitz (talk) 17:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmmm. The question is, are the leagues fully pro? Given that FK Vilnius' average crowds for the two seasons he was there were 429 and 575 (and others not even over 200) [1], I don't see how it can be. The Polish club were not in the second tier during his season, so I doubt that they were in a fully pro league either (their one season in the second tier in 2001/2 saw an average crowd of 926).[2] пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Also, you might want to check out my comment at the Michael Ohnesorge AfD - the Scottish season has already started, and he wasn't even a sub for the first game. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:59, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
PS - Articles don't have to go to DRVs to be restored. You can ask the admin that closed the discussion, or an admin knowledgeable in the field (such as myself) to restore an article as soon as a player makes his debut. It's not that much hassle. A second AfD on the other hand, is. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Well given they are no longer in that league, it might be part of the reason for their demise! As far as I know the Polish league was in the second tier - that's what the source I linked showed (though their current first division used to be called second division back then, AFAIUI). That Lithuanian league is professional according to Wikipedia. As far as asking a particular editor to recreate - if it's because he just played, then it would be better to go to DRV and get the first available editor to do so, before someone starts recreating it - though odds are the first person to tackle will not have a clue and will recreate rather than asking, or DRVing. Nfitz (talk) 22:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes, but you're forgetting the ultimate rule; Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I can see your point on the Ohnesorge AfD, but there are so many goddamn crap articles out there that I can't watchlist them all and wait a couple of weeks to see if they'd play. The real problem is IPs deprodding them without reason when they clearly fail the critiera. Like I said, I'm always happy to reinstate articles when they've actually played. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:50, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't see how IPs removing prods is an issue. If they do, it simply goes to AFD. While it helps to provide a reason, there is no requirement to do so. Nfitz (talk) 22:53, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
The issue is that AfDs are a hell of a lot of work for both the nominator and the closing admins, and are a serious waste of time in most cases where an IP has deprodded (I'm sure in 90% of cases it's the article's creator trying to do it anonymously)... пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  • That's how a system with checks and balances works. It would be a lot easier if the police just locked people away without bothering about a trial ... but that tends to get out of hand. I'd prefer to assume good faith and think that it is just a random fan. Though I've been known to use an IP if I'm on an insecure connection and don't want to use my password - minor edits though, no prod removals - though I did a DRV once that way (for a player who had actually played in MLS - it quickly passed). Nfitz (talk) 23:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The whole Lithuanian discussion is moot. I've been lookin into the Polish records - Szczakowianka Jaworzno played 2004/2005 in the second tier of Polish soccer, then called 2 Liga - the Polish Second League (renamed to Polish First League in 2008). There is no question that it is a fully professional league. The guy is dangerous though - wherever he goes disaster follows - Vilnius and Jaworzno have both dropped and St. Albans was almost last in Conference South - watch out Colchester! :). Nfitz (talk) 23:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes, looks like the team was renamed. Still not 100% sure it's a fully pro league though - I don't recall it ever being mentioned when WP:FOOTY has tried to compile a list. I've asked the editor who added the statement to the article that the clubs "must have professional status" to provide a reference. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Well, not sure you'll think much of the reference, but according to the Wikipedia Article - Polish First League "2002, all teams participating in its games, must have professional status ". Just looking at the stadium sizes - this is a relatively significant league. Nfitz (talk) 08:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] question

hey mate question, You deleted my article karachi juniors fc citing "blatant advertising" as a reason..could you please explain further what exactly that means and how i can remove those "adverts"/improve my article so that it stays?! thanks, huzaifa saeed Huzaifa47 (talk) 20:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey I guess I am involved with the club to a some extent.However the reason I created this page is that one of our rival clubs "Karachi united Fc" too have a valid page on wikipedia.Although i guess our club isn't in the upper echleons as far as the country is concerned, It is without doubt one of the better club's in the city with an excellent record against most city clubs.On the other hand I would like to point out that none of the club's in the city(the largest in the country) can be regarded as professional from any angle,compared to where you are from(UK) the football scene here pretty much belong's at a stone age level..with little or no goverment attention, so arguably for a club to have a sponsor and be around for 8 years is a good achievement worthy of representaion, In my humble opinion atleast.We cannot participate in the kasb league(the top and ONLY league in the city) due to the fact that our squad's average age(Early 20's) and their educational/social background means that travelling for league matches(to stadiums belonging to more working class/dangerous(i'm sure you keep up with news)areas is certainly not viable..especially with the semi-professional nature of the league(It only pay's out winners/runners up overall prizes worth around 700-900 pounds)..however we definetly plan on playing in the next edition of the league(We conjured a close 2nd finish! the last time the league was played in favourable conditions http://www.rsssf.com/tablesp/paki3-05.html)..given our rising popularity/recruits. Hence instead for the time being we take part in friendlies and sponsored tournaments on a very regular basis. 2)Secondly I am fully willing to remove the link's to the sponsor's website..they were just an afterthought :)

3)"If you do write an article on an area in which you are personally involved, be sure to write in a neutral tone and cite reliable, third-party published sources, and beware of unintentional bias." this quote as you might know is from the wiki help page, which reckons we can in some way publish articles even with personal involvement.Seeing that is there any way you suggest I can edit the tone of the article to make it more neutral? Thanks for reading regards, huzaifa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huzaifa47 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Polish League

Hi 57. I hope this can serve as a source [3]. Check there at the bottom Instead of dealing with transfers, Polish clubs spent the summer completing their license documents. No team can play in the first league without these documents. This is the news item from 2003, when the licenses were introduced. Greetings. Tymek (talk) 17:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Oshrat

Cheers for creating the article, and many others. I didn't even realize that you were on such a roll! Good to know that the bot won't be needed.

On a side note, the developments are WP:HE worry me. I wonder if Shirahadasha realizes how much discussion and effort went into creating the guideline. I hope the dispute ends quickly and decisively so that we can restore the guideline's status without problems. Cheers! -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty to create the Katzir-Harish article. Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 13:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Council maps

I made a first attempt: Image:South district divisions unlabeled.png.

Thoughts? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's right. It says in the image description. Even so, I have reservations about the color scheme - just that I used this one for cities and local councils on all my maps. Maybe I'll lighten the regional council colors. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 13:55, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I have changed the color scheme and in addition added the same map only with the same coloring for all types of municipalities (useful for location maps): Image:South district divisions blank.png. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
The unclaimed 'municipality' is Ir Ovot. I don't know why it isn't part of a regional council. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 14:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Other than that, I believe it requires more research. I copied the map almost verbatim from the GIS source I linked to earlier. There could be errors. In fact, my earlier maps (from 2006) were based on an earlier version of the vector data from the source, which was based on 2000 or 2001 borders or something, so there were a lot of updates. Maybe it's worth e-mailing the Tamar Regional Council. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 15:14, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your signature

Please consider altering your signature to make it more legible. In an AFD I like to know who is making an argument. Thanks. Edison (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

On an LCD monitor the "number" part looks very faint, like yellow on white, and almost impossible to read. On a CRT monitor it is more orange on white and clearer. The symbol representing "u" is a bit faint on the vertical strokes.The "7"is much darker looking and at first looks like part of the time/date field (granted, it would be an unusual time of day). Also, it would be helpful to have a click link to your talk page. Thanks. Edison (talk) 23:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, the "5" does indeed link to your talk page. Call me oldfashioned,(or pour me an Old Fashioned) but a link that merely says "Talk" seems clearer. Regards. Edison (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Need help

Can you help check the notability of this articles such has Hygge, Green Shift (political slogan), Raimundo Yant, Robbie huntley, Helen Chadwick (musician), Henri Smets, Kayako, Xavier teixido and Fernando Retayud. I found this articles when i was reverting insecurity edits and now that he is blocked thanks to you. --SkyWalker (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, How about this articles El Último Vals, Estonian United Left Party, Southern Vectis route 1, BBC Weekend News and Henry MacKinnon and this one must be deleted Marcus Pascoe.--SkyWalker (talk) 12:17, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

Hi there. I believe that the user User:In5ecUr!ty may be a sock puppet for User:Avi15. The User, Avi15, spent most of yesterday throwing speedy deletion tags on a number of article. I warned him about not putting speedy deletion tags on new articles I created for new hurling players. Anyways, the new user I talk about, was created today and low and behold, the new user started to throwing speedy deletion tags on new hurling players i created.

For instance, check out the following article.

Both given speed deletion tags by both users. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

After more investigation, both users also placed speedy deletion tags on editors, user pages and talk pages in the last 24 hours. I am now almost certain that both editors are the same person with User:In5ecUr!ty being a sock puppet. ManfromDelmonte (talk) 12:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] sockpuppetry accusation

This guy thats accusing me of sockpuppetry has no verification for his claims. As I said, I placed his article up for deletion with the {db-g1} tage becuase at the time it was lousy - (nonsense; hardly any content). If you need any proof of my innocence simply refer to my contributions: as you can see everything's legit. He also accuses me of sockpuppeteering User:In5ecUr!ty, however if you check his contributions this huy actually blanked several articles and then placed them up for deletion. As for the outlandish libel that ties in with Australian and Jewish articles, the only person at fault there is ManfromDelmonte who's trying to fulfill his personal vendetta against me, with his Anti-Australian and Anti-Semitic sentiments. Cheers Avi15 (talk) 14:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Sukuta-Pasu

You've closed this based on that he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE.

However the primary argument to keep was that he meets WP:N because of massive media coverage. Not one editor challenged this in the AfD. As such this appears to be a keep, and at a minimum the closing statement in the AfD need to discuss this. Nfitz (talk) 16:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

As noted several times, though not necessarily in that AfD, football players generate large amounts of coverage due to the media saturation of the sport. It is therefore a totally unrealistic barometer of notability. For example, a part-time footballer in the Conference will have more media coverage than the King of Tonga, when it's quite clear that one is more notable than the other. One could probably find enough media articles solely about players at the 10th level of English football to justify WP:N, when such players are clearly not notable. Also, it has long been consensus that caps at youth level do not confer notability. пﮟოьεԻ 57 20:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

PS - I've amended the closing statement to reflect the above. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

There were 826 articles in the week previous when to July 31, 2008. That's a lot of coverage, far more than I've ever seen before in one of these AfDs, to tell the truth. And significant as well - there's a feature article in Bild, perhaps the largest newspaper in Europe - [4]. I'm really astounded that there is any debate that he meets WP:N.

(not sure about you point about the King of Tonga - he's had more local newspaper coverage in the last week than any Conference football player I know. 357 articles internationally in the last week [5])

I'd really rather not start another DRV, but I don't feel that there is any alternative. I admit some of the ones I argued for are either borderline, or straddling the WP:CRYSTAL issue. But I think this one is different. Nfitz (talk) 23:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Book, masochism (coldness and cruelty) Deleuze

Hi, just noticed that you deleted the article on Deleuze's book. reason being A7, however, A7 does not apply to books: "A7 applies only to articles about web content or articles on people and organizations themselves, not articles on their books, albums, software and so on." . I had written basic information (publication dates) along with a brief description of the themes elaborated in the book. I was planning to expand on some of those themes later on, however, i do not think that the objection (A7) applies. please clarify.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Extendon (talk • contribs) 08:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Brash

From reading the article, it appears that Brash played in Scottish League First Division for (at least) the 1984-5 season. Is this accepted as a fully-professional league, in the spirit of WP:FOOTYN? CJPargeter (talk) 10:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nenad Stankovic

Hi, he played for FK Jedinstvo Ub for one season, but his appearances are not mentioned and then made 14 appearances in a season at FK Mačva Šabac. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. 2002–2003 for FK Jedinstvo Ub and 2003–2004 for FK Macva Sabac. Mattythewhite (talk) 20:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion review for Richard Sukuta-Pasu

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Richard Sukuta-Pasu. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Nfitz (talk) 20:53, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Brash

Regarding Alex Brash, you missed the discussion which resulted in the prod being replaced after it had been mistakenly removed. The Scottish First Division was not fully pro at the time, and Brash has even said that he never played professionally.[6] Can you reinstate the prod. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Uh, no I didn't. I noticed the discussion in the history immediately after I removed, and the very next thing I did was restore the prod, before you'd put this on my talk page. Nfitz (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
No, I'm not stalking you. I have the article on my watchlist as I placed the prod on it. I might ask the same question given your deprodding of the Rec.sport.cricket article (an area in which you don't seem to have edited before). Also, you never responded to my question above. пﮟოьεԻ 57 21:15, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Though I have edited in the area of Usenet before. As you've noted that you won't follow the community standard of placing prods for football-related articles on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football I have little choice but checking your edit history for prods, to stop worthy articles being deleted - and that one jumped out at me. But note that it took me a day to do it - I wasn't there 5 seconds later before you could edit again. Nfitz (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar 'OJ' Koroma

Could you comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar 'OJ' Koroma. Another AfD with lots of media coverage, but unlike Sukuta-Pasu his media coverage notes that he is expected to be a first-team player this season. Nfitz (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] King of Tonga

"In the example given the King of Tonga gets 95 hits compared to 119 for the semi-pro footballer."

  • How bizarre. Clicking on your links, I get "Results 1 - 10 of about 124 from news.bbc.co.uk for "Djoumin Sangare" and "Results 1 - 10 of about 134 from news.bbc.co.uk for "George Tupou V". "". If I expand completely without duplicates - I only get 37 hits for the footballer and also 37 hits for the King. Not that this means much - but odd that we see different results ... Nfitz (talk) 21:50, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

hey, I've re-done the karachi juniors page and put it up on my user page.I guess you will have to count the kusl(also known as KASB bank league in some places) as a D division..however it would be unfair to compare it with the pakistani league system because that is pretty much dominated by the Armed forces(army,navy,airforce) and other goverment and national departments(Airlines,Oil refineries,railways etc),So hence even though arugably the city's private clubs might be up there with them as far as playing level's are concerned they have no Incentive(financial mostly) to travel all over the country jeapordizing their job's and studies(None of the player's in the city of karachi are professionals..all have a daily job)...So in a way none of the senior people in the footballing scene regard the aforementioned league system as invalid. Hope that was of any help regards, huzaifa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huzaifa47 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafael Cretaro

I have concerns about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rafael Cretaro. We've had precedents where players on fully professional team in the second league in Denmark are notable. But we don't accept players in the top league in Ireland? Though I confess I'm not sure of the professionality of his teams - though I thought Galway United were. Nfitz (talk) 23:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm torn whether or not we should treat Irish tier 1 as professional. Though doesn't he meet WP:FOOTYN, which perhaps doesn't count for much - but ironically haven't I seen you supporting?
Also can you weigh in on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar 'OJ' Koroma - it's a bit different, with media references of him playing with the first team. Nfitz (talk) 17:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
You've almost sold me. Though I feel the standard should be played on a fully professional team in league or cup match with another fully professional - but I agree that isn't currently the standard. BTW, I'd still appreciate your thoughts on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar 'OJ' Koroma. Nfitz (talk) 21:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Julián Di Cosmo AfD

Recently, you closed this AfD, but forgot to remove the AfD notice on the article here. I'd remove it myself, but I'm not sure if there is anything else that needed to be done as well.--Rockfang (talk) 17:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Wilshere

Hiya --

Excuse my ignorance (I've tried to understand how to get through the red tape, and in the end reached the conclusion that it wasn't all that user-friendly a system to wade through, so maybe talking to someone admin-ish would be best), but how would someone (myself?) go about getting a Jack Wilshere article re-created. The article was previously deleted on the basis that he wasn't considered more than a peripheral figure in the Arsenal youth side. Since that time, he has featured in all of Arsenal's 2008 pre-season friendlies, scored a number of pre-season goals, and, most importantly, been issued with a first-team squad number for the 2008/9 season (Wilshere proves talent wins out). This means that, for the Arsenal F.C. Wikipedia page to be updated and correct, a page would be required to be able to link from the squad list to the player's own page.

Sorry if just contacting you isn't the right way of handling this, but like I said, I looked at the official channels on how to do it, and I couldn't see how to go about "appealing" against the deletion review.


Cheers,

Alan. 85.158.45.25 (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed prod from Cullen F.C.

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Cullen F.C., which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Atamachat 19:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rafael Aparecido da Silva

Hi there, I think you deleted this article by mistake. The cached version of that page on Google shows a different player, who is notable. The article must have been vandalised to refer to Rafael Pereira da Silva (footballer born 1990), and then tagged with the {{db-g4}} template. I think you should undelete the article and restore the old version. – PeeJay 22:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. The cached version was just another article about Rafael Pereira da Silva except by the wrong name. Sorry. – PeeJay 22:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Barnstar

You deserve it :) the effort has been amazing, it's exactly what I had in mind when I asked for help regarding to bot on the WikiProject page. Glad that someone took my request seriously!

By the way, I have serious reservations about the naming convention X, Mateh Binyamin or whatever. I think that the convention is not clear-cut in this case, and we must make the articles as easy to find as possible. Regional councils are not well-known entities in Israel (same as districts), so I don't think they should be used. As much as I hate the term 'West Bank', I think it could be more appropriate in many of these cases. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 21:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] young arsenal players

all right, but Jack WIlshire is on the first team [7]. Would you consider the Emirates Cup a competitive game? Or the Amsterdam Cup (he's going to be on that squad. Or UEFA Champions League? Cheers --Arsenalfan101 (talk) 14:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Arsenalfan101

[edit] Elections in Gibraltar

Hello,

I have opened an RM at Talk:Gibraltarian general election, 2007#Requested Move to move the three articles on elections in Gibraltar. I thought you might be interested as you have commented in previous RMs on the subject. Thanks, Pfainuk talk 17:01, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Acting PM and caretaker for PM

No - this is again a mistake. If the PM is dead, then The minister of acting PM - becomes the Acting PM (assumes PM office immdiatlly). however, If the PM is is ill (example: Sharon having a stroke), then the minister of acting PM, becomes the "caretker for PM", thus, not assuming office until 100 day passed, in which the ill PM is declared "permenantlly incapacitated", thus, out of office, and only then the minister of acting PM - can becom Acting PM (in office)
By anycase, can you help me on this one ...?? I put on my talk page a link to a new template i'm trying to write, based on olmert's - only with the additional parameters - i mentioned in the above. But my obly probelm is that I don't know how to create a new template ...? can you help me create a new templaye... ?
see User talk:Shevashalosh
ThanX! --Shevashalosh (talk) 18:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish leagues

Do you know which Turkish leagues are professional, given the surge of AfDs in this area lately? Nfitz (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

neither do I. Given how seriously they take the sport there, and the population being 40% bigger than England, I wouldn't be surprised if the 18-team TFF First League is as well, though the third tier TFF Second League has 54 teams in it. Football in Turkey refers to 4 professional leagues, though with another 51 teams in TFF Third League that get's hard to swallow. TFF First League plays in quite large stadiums, - I can't see how many show up for a game though. Nfitz (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korcan Çelikay

Hello. I wanted to ask about your closing of this AfD. I know you are a dedicated member of WP:FOOTY and appreciate all of your efforts to improve football articles, but I think you made have made a mistake here. User:Nfitz made the erroneous statement that Çelikay played in the Besiktas Super Lig first team during the 2005-06 season, but that is only because he is not reading the TFF website carefully (or maybe he is using the Turkish version?). If you go to his profile here (http://www.tff.org/Default.aspx?pageId=526&kisiId=692475) and click on the total link, you will see he has only played in the PAF/amateur league (for Besiktas) and the regionalized third level (2. League B) for Tepecik Belediyespor. Unless someone can show that the 3rd level in Turkey is fully professional, this article clearly fails WP:ATHLETE and this player is not yet notable. Perhaps he will appear in one of Besiktas' Super Lig matches, but until he does, it violates WP:CRYSTAL to assume that he passes WP:ATHLETE.

Sorry for the long message and I hope you understand that I am not criticizing you (or Nfitz). It was an understandable mistake on his part and you were simply applying his statement to conclude that the article passed WP:ATHLETE. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 01:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yusuf Soysal

Hi. You closed the discussion as "speedy keep." However, none of the speedy keep criteria applied to that specific afd, and there clearly was no consensus to keep. Best, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korcan Çelikay

You might want to rethink your !vote, as the link you've cited [8] is actually a third division "A" team game (note that the team is Tesisler, not Besiktas). пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Now that's an interesting twist. Doesn't show what league the team was playing in during 2005/2006 - but looking at 2006/2007 and his age it does appear unlikely that he was starting for a Tier 1 team. Nfitz (talk) 08:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
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