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[edit] Undoing of Koavf's edit
I removed the entry of Koaf, because he does not seem to understand the structure of the church. The part:"Particular churches sorted by Liturgical traditions" actually does not show traditions, but churches, sharing traditions/rites. Therfore, first the shared rite is mentioned, then the churches, practicing this rite. It's different with the Latin rite. The Latin rite actually is no rite but the name of what is usually called the "western church". This church has one "main" rite, the so called Roman rite. There are four other rites, besides this rite, which are practiced within this western church (I have to confess, that we, the editors of this template, are still unsure about the relation between these rites). Therefore in case of the western church, instead of one tradition/rite, leading to one or more churches, there are five rites leading to one church, called Latin rite. Please read the articles, the churches and tradition are linked to, and you will discover that this is the only correct way, to display the real situation. --Thw1309 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] General comments
First off, I like the template and have used it to roam around and find a lot of information about the Catholic Church. It is good to have a base that can direct you to most topics you are interested in.
With that said, I must object to having the Priestly Society of St. Peter listed as a separate Church from the Latin Church. This is just incorrect. Probably they should be listed under Orders but even that is not entirely correct. Perhaps a new place is needed of listing Priestly Societies like the Sulpices and the Jesuits. FSSP would fit in very well there.
Also, the other rites that you have listed for the Latin Church are not entirely separate rites. The issues involved here are complicated. They are still the Latin Rite just with a little bit of changing of this or that for local use. With a little bit of study we see the same thing in the other rites as well. The Byzantine rite actually contains four rites that are pretty distinct from each other. These are often called Liturgies but it is more complicated then that because it is not just a certain form of the Mass but also involves the praying of the litturgy of the hours and certian divotionals of the layiaty. The litturgies of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church are different and distict from the litturgies of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and the difference is more then just lanauge.
Now I am not saying that you have to go and list everything and I am also not saying that it is wrong to have it listed the way you do but I am asking you to keep this in mind. The Mozarabic rite is part of the Latin rite not just contained within the Latin Church the same as the Litturgy of St. Mark and the Litturgy of St. James are both contained in the Byzantine rite. For that matter the Syriac rite also celebrates the Litturgy of St. James but with a few differences and the Coptics use the Litturgy of St. Mark with some differences.
The different rites are connected and learn from each other but at the end of the day there is the idea that regardless of exact litturgy, one belongs to this or that rite. I contend that the other rites within the Latin rite are part of the Latin rite and not just part of the Latin Church. I think it is great to list them but I worry about the way they are listed confusing people or having people come to incorrect conclusions. I know this assumes a lot of power in a template but some people only need a little bit to get way off track.
I thank you for your consideration in this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.127.251.137 (talk) 05:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree to a very large degree. The different rites are not all that different and take up a lot of real estate here. I plan to list them together eventually without all this space in between. Thank you for your comments and help. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Size
This is box is growing very large. Can a collapse option be added, such as was done for Template:Christian History? --Carlaude (talk) 20:37, 20 June 2008 (UTC) Hi, thank's for the viewing, but I think at the present probably not, although if if would get much larger, that is clearly an option. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 12:04, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- The Navbox template series was developed with the recommendation that they should default to "autocollapse", but WP is a place of freedoms, so the "state" parameter was designed to bypass the default setting. I set the default to "autocollapse" and implemented the "state" function to allow users to force a "collapsed" or "uncollapsed" option as certain situations may dictate. See the documentation on the template to see how to use this. Let me know if you have any questions. Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 13:21, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Postscript: If this template continues to grow, it may be best to convert it to {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}. Rgrds. --Tombstone (talk) 13:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Catholic Theology of the Body nominated for deletion
One of the articles linked in this template, Catholic Theology of the Body, has been nominated for deletion. (Note this is a separate article from Theology of the Body on JPII's speeches). All comments are welcome at this articles' deletion discussion page. LyrlTalk C 23:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
