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May 25: Independence Day in Jordan (1946); Liberation Day in Lebanon (2000); African Liberation Day in various African countries 1521 – The Diet of Worms declared Protestant Reformer Martin Luther an outlaw and a heretic, banning his literature, and requiring his arrest. 1946 – Abdullah bin Husayn (pictured), Emir of the Emirate of Transjordan, was proclaimed King of the renamed "Hashemite Kingdom of Transjordan". 1961 – During a speech to a Joint Session of the United States Congress, U.S. President John F. Kennedy announced his support for the Apollo space program, with "the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth". 1977 – Star Wars, a science fantasy film written and directed by George Lucas, was released, becoming one of the most successful films of all time. 2000 – Israel withdrew its army from most of Lebanese territory, 22 years after its first invasion in 1978. More events: May 24 – May 25 – May 26 Archive – By email – More anniversaries... It is now December 18, 2008 (UTC) – Refresh this page

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Contents 1 Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon 2 New rumor that a disaster that is perdicted to happen 3 Carpet Day conflict 4 Hands Across America 5 Nerd Pride Day 6 Celtic F.C. Europeon Cup Win 1967

[edit] Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon

This is certainly a notable event. I recommend linking the event to the article (or creating one). That would be an appropriate forum to present research regarding the occupation, withdrawal, and related events. True or not, the deleted sentence is more a matter for such an article than it is for the events section of a date article. Rklawton 21:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Great articles! However, the Operation Litani 1978 invasion didn't seem relevant to this particular withdrawal since this withdrawal was from the 1982 invasion. The Operation Litani withdrawal had been apparently been completed previously. I agree that the Litani invasion is part of the Israeli invasion history (as stated in the 1982 invasion article) but it's not really part of the withdrawal event that took place on May 25th. As a result, I removed the Litani reference and reworded the event for clarity. Folks who click on the invasion link will quickly see the Litani link and hence the history of invasions. I hope these edits meet with everyone's approval. Rklawton 03:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Israel did not completely withdraw its forces after Litani Operation. See United Nations Security Council Resolution 425. I have started a new article, Liberation Day of Lebanon. Cheers--A rihani 08:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

As per the Litani article cited in the event: Lebanon's claim that Israel has not fully withdrawn (see Shebaa Farms) was explicitly rejected by the UN's Secretary-General's report which led to UN Security Council Resolution 1583. I had changed the number of years to 18 for the sake of consistancy between articles. I trust your proposed article will explore this issue further. Once the dust settles, please revisit the event on this page. If the number of years remains in contention, perhaps we should limit the reference in this article to the facts that are not in dispute, namely, Iraeli soldiers withdrew from Lebanon on this day in 2000. Rklawton 14:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You are right about the UN Security Council Resolution 1583. This should be included whenever Shebaa Farms is mentioned. You are welcome to edit that page any time :) As for the number of years, I do not understand why it should be subject to dispute. Israeli army partially withdrew from Lebanon after United Nations Security Council Resolution 425 was adopted before invading again in 1982. The Israelis do not deny that and it is obvious in the UN Secretary General report which states that the Israeli army was out of Lebanon as of June 2000. If the Israeli army completely withdrew before 1982, the UN would have reported the withdrawal in accordance with Resolution 425 by that time. Cheers--A rihani 16:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I had the impression from the Litani article the UN had reported the full withdrawal. Since you are more familiar with the specifics, could you review these articles and make sure the language is clear enough for everyone to understand? That's probably how I got confused. Rklawton 20:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You are right. Litani Operation article is misleading. I think it is not NPOV at all and it needs lots of work. I hope you can help. I have done a quick edit and I will do more later. Cheers--A rihani 21:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New rumor that a disaster that is perdicted to happen

Eric Julien perdicts that this day in 2006, a cataclysmic wave will strike the east coast of america.

Link to his site

Jack Zhang 02:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

didn't happen.Geni 12:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carpet Day conflict

I get conflicting information about whether Carpet Day is always celebrated on May 25, or whether it's a floating holiday observed on the last Sunday in May. [1] vs. [2] Joyous! | Talk 15:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hands Across America

This was the day Hands Across America took place in 1986; I was wondering why this was up but then removed? I put it back up last week, but it's disappeared again. I know it didn't ultimately work, but it was a pretty big day in American history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UCH-Matt (talk • contribs) 18:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Its nice when people get together to raise money for charities, but its not a notable event. I read the wiki article and it doesn't mention anything significant resulting from this event. I see no reason to include it. Grouf^{(talk • contribs)} 16:58, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

It does seem rather significant that several million people participated in an event together all at once. That sort of thing does not happen every day. Thoughts? LiquidInkspot (talk) 02:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nerd Pride Day

I tried to add Nerd Pride Day under "Holidays and observances", which I think is fitting, but it has been removed several times already. I see it rather equivalent to Towel Day and other similar holidays, but appearently someone disagrees with me. That may not be the part that worries me the most; I got several messages calling my edit "unconstructive" (I can't see how it is any different from the other links) and I was also called a "vandal". That is ridiculous. It may not fit in the article in your eyes, but I'm not a Vandal.

80.212.173.184 (talk) 09:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

If it's notable enough to have a Wikipedia article -- and it does, at least for now -- it's notable enough to be in this list. The article has a {{Notability}} flag, but unless/until it's removed, there's no reason not to treat it consistently and list it here. TJRC (talk) 15:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Having an article does NOT mean it is notable, certainly not on a global, regional, or even national scale. And having an article is not and has never been sufficient grounds for inclusion for anything other than birth and death listings for individuals, so the mere existence of an article--and a very weak article it is--is a complete non-starter as an argument for inclusion. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 21:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

See WP:Notability: "Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability of a topic for a Wikipedia article." Notability is definitely a criterion for inclusion of an article. And it's obviously not a non-starter, as we've started, haven't we? TJRC (talk) 05:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Except that's the general ARTICLE criteria and not the specific standards regarding the Days of the Year articles, so--to repeat--the mere existence of an article is a complete non-starter--i.e.; unrelated--as a standard for THESE pages. Are there any other bits of out-of-context and inapplicable citations you'd like to bring up? --CalendarWatcher (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Calendarwatcher, keep it civil.TJRC (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Celtic F.C. Europeon Cup Win 1967

I tried to add Celtic F.C. 1967 European Champions Cup win under "Events", which I think is appropriate, but it has been removed several times.

My entry is: 1967 – Celtic F.C. become the first northern European team to win the European Champions Cup, which had previously been the preserve of Italian, Portuguese and Spanish clubs by beating F.C. Internazionale Milano 2 – 1.

I see an equivalent event entry for: 1968 - Manchester United win the European Cup, the first English Club to do so.

Celtic F.C.’s 1967 European Cup win is a greater and more notable achievement than Manchester United’s 1968 win that is already listed in the calendar for MAY 29.

First, I was informed by CalendarWatcher that “that's REALLY stretching notability”.

Second, that “it's a ridiculously artificial distinction made in order to claim some sort of distinction”.

Third, that “you've drawn a purely artificial line ('first northern European club'? Can't bring yourself to say 'British', can you?) claim a distinction of no real import)”.

In response let me point out that this is a notable sports achievement listed in the Events of 1967 Wikipedia page, and the term “first northern European team” is a quote taken from both the Celtic F.C. and May 1967 Wikipedia pages.

Northern Europe is a destinct area as define by the United Nations and descibed in Wikipedia as is Eastern Europe and Southern Europe.

Celtic's achievement went far beyond the British isles.

Irl32csc (talk) 13:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)