Template talk:Slavic-speaking states

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[edit] Countries or nations?

Actually this is a list of Slavic speaking countries not nations. Czech Republic isn't nation Czechs are. There are people speaking other languages etc. Thoughts?--Pethr 02:49, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

• "Countries"... "nations".... "states"... etc... Sometimes these terms seem to be used interchangeably, sometimes not; only a lack of consensus over their uses, meanings and distinctions seems to be consistent. Not particularly constructive, but that was my thought on reading your query!  Anyone else...?  Regards, David Kernow (talk) 03:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The proper word is of course states but since Americans read this word differently countries seem like a generally understandable consensus. I think we should try to be consistent in use of those words and not treat them as synonyms when they are not. Calling republic a nation sounds particularly strange to me.--Pethr 16:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Finding consensus for something consistent would be progress, but, unless the "zeitgeist" has changed in recent weeks, my experience from other talk pages would say this is unlikely. If, though, noone posts any reservations here soon, you could try changing the template's name (and update its name/title parameters) and see if that prompts any reponse. Yours, David (talk) 21:39, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright I moved it to Slavic speaking states. If there is no opposition in few days I will fix redirects. May be there will be some discussion whether to use countries or states.--Pethr 20:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

"Slavic-speaking countries and territories". Transnistria for example is not a state. So, either remove it, or rename the template). :Dc76 20:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It's an Unrecognized state (country). See List of unrecognized countries. --Daniil naumoff 10:05, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

No, it is not. It is not a component state of Moldova, whose independence is not recognized. It simply can not be called state - that is a legal term. Unrecognized is the government, not "state". See Transnistria. (List of unrecognized countries has a NPOV tag, Transnistria hasn't) Legally, it is an autonomous territory of Moldova, whose status can be eventually upgraded. But:

• the words "state" and "country" are unacceptable, because that's wishful thinking. I am not saying it can not become a state in the future, all I am saying, it is not yet a state
• mentioning it without "Moldova" in paranphesis is again against reality: all th countries in that template recongnize Transnistria as part of Moldova

So, for now I will comment out (not erase, just comment out). Please, bring it up in Talk:Transnistria. People there can come up with ideas how to fix this. All I am asking is before you do controvercial changes to discuss them. :Dc76 16:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

From the beginning I support Dc on this. There is only one state: Moldova with the region Transnistria.--Tones benefit 17:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

We must respect international order and internationally recognised countries.
Unfortunately for the Russians in Transnistria (Prekodnistrovlje), that's not an internationally recognised country. So, that country must be dropped out of this list.
But, Moldova can be in that list, but only in the case if Russian language is being recognised as one of official languages in that country (but in equal status as Moldovan language).
Point is that, numerous Slavic community, doesn't mean that that country is Slavic speaking.
Although United Kingdom today has a lot of Polish speakers (speakers that speak Polish as their first and mother tongue), UK's not an Slavic speaking country.
Similar is with Estonia. Although Estonia has a lot of Russian population (about 25%), Estonia's not a Slavic-speaking country.
And Germany. Beside Germany's original Slavs (Lusatian Sorbs) and numerous foreign workers from Slavic countries and their families, that use Slavic languages in everyday talk (unless speaking someone that's not of their nationality), Germany is not a Slavic-speaking country. Kubura (talk) 21:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)