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[edit] Question

Gosh I hate to ask this - I'll look like a compulsive idiot. Oh, wait, I'm a regular contributor to an online encyclopedia, so obviously I'm compulsive. The 'idiot' part is up to individual judg(e)ment. what's the source for the first potato chip? Place? Person? It's always nice to have those connected to 'inventions.' Along with Mr. Crocker I'm opposed to lone inventors, and food based on easy concepts (slice potato thinly; fry; drain) is an excellent example of this! --MichaelTinkler, who needs to get something else to do with his life.

I've done a Google search and it turns out to be a great story: [1]. George Crum, chef in Saratoga Springs, New York, was fed up with a customer who continued to sent his fried potatoes back, because they were too thick. So Crum decided to slice the potatoes so thin that it couldn't be eaten with a fork. Against Crum's expectation the guest was ecstatic about the chips. -- Tsja

a tasty etiological myth (and set within 100 miles of my current location!). I suppose we can accept the lone invetor for now.--MichaelTinkler

I've heard that stroy on nickelodeon--60.226.29.20 00:23, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

And snopes.com, which is pretty harsh on myths like this, declares this one true. I trust them, based on other things I've seen from them in the past -- Paul Drye

Snopes is about as reliable a source as there is, I agree. --LDC

I'm very familiar with snopes, but I've had one hamless experience to show me that even there we cannot put down our guard. There was a story going around that a 1911 D. W. Griffith film called The Poseidon Adventure was being played in the second class lounge of the Titanic just before it went down. I confess that I fell for the hoax. I can't say that the snopes people themselves were responsible for this, but the article format was that used by snopes, and it included links to the Internet Movie Data Base for the various people purported to be involved in the movie. Eclecticology

Snopes is in fact responsible for this...and in fact created the page (and the fake IMDb page) for the exact lesson you described...that we shouldn't let down our guard for even trusted sources of information. As for Crum inventing the potato chip, it'd probably take more investigation to get to the bottom of the origins... -- Grev -- Talk 10:16, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

I added a print reference from 1991 that confirms the origin story. -- Norvy (talk) 16:39, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oil/production method

I think a mention should be made about peanut oil chips, and other production types of chips (similar to peanut oil, but still yielding a different taste; sunflower oil). These types of chips are often said to be a bit healthier than regular vegetable oil potato chips. -- A-ixemy 18:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I cannot remember the guy in Tayto Crisps right now; I saw a programme about it on the History Channel a long time ago. I can try to ring the company next week and find out his name. (I know when his ashes were scattered on the sea, he asked that along with them a pack of Tayto crisps be scattered as well, as his innovation in discovering a way to flavour crisps made him, in terms of today's money, a multi-billionaire. From peeling potatoes with his wife and family in a small firm one day, to being offered blank cheques from top potato chip manufacturers in a matter of weeks, is a nice thought. JTD 05:12 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

From http://web.ukonline.co.uk/m.gratton/Famous%20Men.htm

Murphy - Joseph 'Spud' ..... born May 15th 1923 died 2001 ..... Irish entrepreneur who produced the world's FIRST cheese and onion flavoured crisps in the late 1950s. The new flavour was a huge success both at home and abroad and within two years the business moved to larger premises. His company Tayto was the FIRST company in Ireland to make and market so-called "extruded snacks"Mintguy

http://www.taytocrisps.ie/aboutus/about_history.asp. says he set the company up in 1954. Mintguy

Golden Wonder reckon they introduced flavoured crisps in 1962! http://www.goldenwonder.com/corp/ Mintguy

I just emailed Golden Wonder and told them their website is telling porkie pies. I wonder if I will get a reply. MintguyThanx. I should have guessed. The name 'Murphy' in Ireland is often nicknamed 'Spud'. (That was my old headmaster's nickname.) But I never realised that the name came from the guy who made all the millions and had American potato chip manufacturers queing on the street outside his house throwing figures out as to how much their company would pay to get their hands on his formula. Yeah. Golden Wonder and Tayto are like Coca Cola and Pepsi, forever trying to claim that they were first. But apparently Tayto were, according to RTÉ radio, the History Channel and the BBC. All I know is that Murphy revolutionised the whole process. One guy on the History channel said that before modern post-Murphy flavourings, a good potato chip tasted a bit like a stale fried potato slice, while most potato chips tasted like soggy cardboard. Then along came Murphy's innovation, and potato chips had an appeal to people who never would previously have touched potato chips because they weren't enamoured by the taste. JTD 05:48 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

smile* they'll probably send you a thousand packs of the things! JTD 05:48 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

Is it true that all flavored chips include MSG? I haven't seen it listed on the two or three ingredients lists I have checked. Rmhermen 15:03, Nov 13, 2003 (UTC)

Many do. Burger Rings, I remember, does, but I wouldn't be 100% sure on others (gee, miss Burger Rings... ;) Dysprosia 10:40, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I think almost all do. Look for "Flavour enhancer: E621" perhaps :-). And of course, MSG stands for monosodium glutamate. Do such additives have to be declared in the US though? (They do in Europe/EU) zoney ♣ talk 18:14, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

-- --In New Zealand according to Wikipedias New Zealand English page, they have hot chips, meaning French fries type potatoes, and cold chips meaning crisps. I get confused these days because I grew up in the UK, ate stacks of Tayto crisps while on holiday in Ireland, and now live in Canada where crisps are chips and chips are fries. As for flavor and flavour, its flavour. With a U. End of story.

Mintguy, shouldn' you change the text everywhere to read 'crisps', you Anglophilliac lap-dog? :-) ----

[edit] Flavoured/Flavored

Flavoured Crisps were invented in Ireland, where we speak Hiberno-English, which uses British spellings, so logically it should be Flavoured, and not Flavored.

Note that Tayto is a noun and not a proper noun here, they are that revered almost. "To buy some Tayto" just means buying crisps.

I'm going to keep fixing the spelling till I get banned, it seems. Being an obstinate bastard can be useful sometimes... Kiand 15:18, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

What a lame edit war. Using chips to mean crisps is obviously an American thing, so it's only logical that this article is in American spelling. You could say that the Irish guy "invented flavoured crisps", making it italic to make it obvious that the different spelling is intentional. Also, this article needs a prominent link to real chips at the top. Zocky 08:57, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[2] was the first addition of british spelling to the article. Before this, American english is used exclusivly. Therefore, according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Usage_and_spelling, this article should use American spelling only. Gentgeen 09:21, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

oh, there should be a link to the disambiguation page chip at the top of the page. Gentgeen 09:23, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Seconded. Gentgeen is absolutely correct. • Benc • 20:35, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

U.S. "(potato) chips" are what British and Irish folks call "(potato) crisps" (both expressions refer to those crispy potato wafer thingies).
Irish/British "(potato) chips" are not ubiquitously known in the US. They are thick fried chunks of potatoes. "French fries" probably is the closest thing U.S. folks know that's comparable to Irish/British "chips". However the term "French fries" is also known in the UK/Éire, where it is used to specifically refer to the thin fried potato strips (to distinguish them from "proper" chips). To the British/Irish, "fries" is what you get at McDonalds whereas "chips" is what you get at your local take-away (often also called a "chipper".) (That's "chippy", at least in England -- Greg K Nicholson 15:02, 2005 Mar 15 (UTC))
Since "flavour" is the British/Irish usage and "flavor" is U.S. usage it appears absolutely crystal to me that in an article on "potato chips" it can't say "flavour".

(Feel free to incorporate come of the above details/info into some article. I couldn't be arsed right now.) Ropers 00:21, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

As people seem to diagree on the spelling, then there should be some sort of ruling....a recent edit changed an English 'Brand name' - 'Hedgehog Flavour' to flavor. This is to me stupid by this logic you may as well change the name of the ruling political party in the UK to Labor... I don't care either way, lets keeps one spelling be it US or UK but lets not change brand names were they occur. Sorry forget to sign Geotek 23:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] US/UK

I suggest two separate articles. Crisp and potato chip. One may discuss the "chip"'s appearance in the US, and the other the origins of the Irish/UK "crisp". At the latter we may discuss flavoured crisps and Tayto to our heart's content. The US version can refer to the addition of flavoring, with a direction towards crisp.

Pringles etc. can be discussed at potato chip, as no sane individual considers them a "Crisp".

zoney ♣ talk 09:32, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The government calles Pringles "crisps", because they're not real chips. Oh, you said "sane", so that rules out the government. Nevermind.

Crisps. For the UK and Ireland definition, non-US <remove insulting language> spellings and the word "crisps" used instead of "Chips". Also links to Potato Chips, if someone does want the US definition. I had suggested this last night but not actually carried it out. Kiand 12:46, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Please note that this was an off-hand suggestion on my part. Others may disagree with it and prefer not to have separate articles. One alternative is to have most of the content about the introduction of flavoured crisps at Tayto and merely refer to that article from within potato chip. This is most likely preferable to having separate US and non-US articles. zoney ♣ talk 14:07, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I'd already said I was considering doing it on Darriens talk page.

Crisps can be many things, as I pointed out. Meanies aren't even close to being potatoes, or "chips" in form, but are often known as crisps. Same applies to Hula Hoops, etc.

Kiand 14:25, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Somebody added to the article that in North America, french fries are also known as "freedom fries". Must this be here? I think it's silly. And anyway, nobody calls them "freedom fries" anymore! Permission to delete it? --Munchkinguy 18:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

We have crisp sandwiches in the UK too! Great Briton 17:56, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Settle spelling once and for all

To settle this dispute once and for all, people should use words that use non-region specific spelling. I'm going to reword this article so this dispute does not flair up again. -- AxSkov 02:44, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

I'm a bit disappointed that the photo accompanying this article seems to be of Pringles brand snacks, which - due to their manufacturing method - are a poor representation of the typical potato chip (or crisp for that matter, 'seasoned' or not). I don't have any handy, or I'd submit a replacement myself. Anyone? Tverbeek 02:36, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wish Chips

I know of a myth where if you eat a chip that is folded over (a wish chip), you can make a wish. Has anyone else heard of this myth? If so, where do you live, and who did you hear it from. I am trying to pinpoint the origin of this myth. Accordiong to my mother, she invented the idea, but I'm not so sure. --Munchkinguy 20:43, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

She invented it, you sound so cute. It was a commonly assumed thing with everyone I know growing up, you had to fit the wish chip in your mouth and close your lips WITHOUT breaking the chip at all. You then had to think of a wish (usually with your eyes closed) then CRUNCH that chip and try and swallow it all. You couldn't tell anyone what your wish was or it wouldn't come true, naturally! The chip also, as mentioned, had to be a WHOLE chip. It isn't allowed to be broken at the corners or anything. Also those very small chips do not count it had to be at least a "normal" sized chip. Generally the bigger the chip the better chance you had of your wish coming true and the more unique that chip was. You would want to show your friends when you found a massive wish chip JayKeaton 20:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] betrays-belies-reveals

Do Pringles chips "betray", "belie", or "reveal" their manufacturing method? I vote for belie: to give a false impression of. To present an appearance not in agreement with

The key here is that a lot of people (including myself until I read this) assume Pringles are just cut from potates like other chips, and don't know they're made from a paste. Since they're shaped to look like traditional chips, I think they "belie" their unusual manufacturing process. They certainly don't reveal it -- if anything, they conceal it. And betray, as in treachery? I think this is someone confusing "betray" with "belie".

Splitting hairs, but oh well.

No, I would say "betray" (as in reveal despite the attempt to hide the process). Pringles are quite distinctive due to being made from powdered cardboard (yeah, reformed potatoes, whatever...). Anyone who mistakes one for a slice/sliver of potato needs a good look at the real thing.

zoney ♣ talk 23:27, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] flavored sounds better than seasoned

Seasoned sounds really awkward and made Wikipedia sound really unprofessional. I have only changed one "seasoned" to flavored and will likely change the rest if noone objects. Flavored is chosen instead of flavored because the population of the US + Canada = 297M + 30M = 427M, while the population of UK + Australia is 60M + 20M = 80M. This indicates that the majority of first time English speakers would prefer "flavor". The margin is so great that this should be the case even when other commonwealth english speaking nations are added. And this doesn't even take into account the fact that Wikipedia is headquartered in the US. Also, the commonwealth countries have their own crisps article to mess around with, where they use flavoured!!! We North Americans shouldn't have to suffer the outrageous "seasoned" when the commonwealth nations use flavoured!

Canada generally follows British spelling, as do the huge numbers of people who speak English in India, etc... --Kiand 22:42, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay; I'll remove it.

[edit] Potato peeler invented by Herman Lay?

What is the source of this information? The biography page for the Frito Lay Company (http://www.fritolay.com/fl/flstore/cgi-bin/comp_hist.htm) says nothing about this invention. It mentions only his sales and marketing. Surely if he had invented something so significant, it would have been mentioned. ManoaChild 22:16, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I believe this was entirely wrong; I have removed it. It was put into this article a long time ago (09:44, 27 March 2002) and has been sitting there. A more complete bio of Lay at [3] makes it clear he did not invent the potato peeler at age 20 (or any time later). -R. S. Shaw 07:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crisps-Potato Chips, merger?

It sounds to me like they are the same thing, but they have 2 articles which mention no difference, should they be merged? 21:47, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

They're different. Crisps are often made from corn starch, or reprocessed potato starch, the americanised "potato chips" refers to stuff thats made from real potatoes. --Kiand 22:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Except that the "americanized" potato chips are called "Crisp" in other countries. --Munchkinguy 00:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

yes, but "crisps" ALSO refers to things which have never seen a potato in their lives. Potato Chips doesn't. Also, the company behind most of the major innovations in potato-or-cornstarch-based-savoury-products-in-a-bag (Tayto) refers to their entire product range genererically as "crisps". --Kiand 01:03, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

But only in English North America. I'm quoting this directly from the article:

In America, the de jure term for Pringles is "crisps", but they are rarely referred to as such. Conversely Pringles may be termed "potato chips" in Europe, to distinguish them from traditional "crisps".

--Munchkinguy 02:10, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

How about a disambiguation page instead? --Munchkinguy 02:12, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

They should me merged. The difference between the two is not clearly stated in the article and the reasons given here really haven't convinced me. violet/riga (t) 19:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

And there was me thinking Walkers crisps (the dominant brand of crisp in the UK) were made from potato slices... Seriously, why are there two articles? --throup ✆ ✍ 17:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Err...they are

[edit] Original Name

Back in the 1970s the Old Farmer's Almanac ran an article about the origin and gave the original name as "Saratoga Crisps." In addition, some online sources do, such as the Christian Science Monitor. It just sounds right to me. It's the way I always heard the story, and seems to be the way it's told in Saratoga Springs.

Should that part be changed here, or should both possibilities be mentioned? I do not think so, crisps are more british 8-)

[edit] Merging

'Crisps' (UK English) and 'potato chips' (US English) are two names for the same thing. The 'potato chips' article encompasses pretty much all of the content of the 'crisps' one and is more subtantial in other respects, so I propose that the 'crisps' article is merged into 'potato chips' and a redirect is put in place. There have been previous discussions on this, but it seems that there was no agreement so I've put a 'merge' header in to sort this out once and for all. --Smallbone10 23:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Please have a look at the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Crisps - it would be good to see other people's points of view. --Smallbone10 20:53, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, please merge. These are two names for the same food. Badagnani 05:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No, they're not, as "crisps" is often used to refer to corn-starch based products, which "potato chips" cannot be, for obvious reasons. --Kiand 08:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No. Potato chips should be moved into crisps. Chips should disambiguate to crisps and fries. Terms used shoudl be distinctive - chips is confusing with many meanings.--jrleighton 13:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

"No. Potato chips should be moved into crisps." - What he ses danr2k6 (talk) 01:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I support a merger. However, I would suggest that the resultant article be titled "Potato chips and crisps," with Redirects from the two existing pages. This should cover the objection that "crisps" cover a multitude of sins. B00P 17:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

B00P's suggestion strikes me as a workable compromise. Failing that, I would suggest that crisps be merged into Potato chips. Colonel Tom 21:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge under the name in most common use worldwide. Add disambiguation links of need be, but as chips and crisps are the same product, there's no justification for separate articles. ProhibitOnions 10:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flavoured and flavored chips/crisps

Here is a suggestion for the sort of pathetic but fun exercise one can only find on the internet: compiling a list of the different types of flavoured chips/crisps that have been sold commercially. We all know about salt-and-vinegar, barbecue and so on, but what about hot dog, pizza and chicken wings? Lay's in Canada has just released wasabi-flavoured chips and curry-flavoured chips. Is there any interest in undertaking this project? Ground Zero | t 22:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The flavors section claim for popular flavors in China is bogus; when I was there last year, Lays and Pringles were selling such delights as toasted seaweed, roast barbeque pork, five spice fish, and spicy crab. Sun da sheng 05:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

These probably is. I am particularly interested in how flavours have appeared, disappeared or changed based on which addatives and flavourings have been introduced/banned over the years. Does anyone remember chocolate crisps? --JamesTheNumberless 13:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chips, crisps, and fries

Potato chips is ambiguous.

Potato chips on the west of the Atlantic = potato crisps

Same on east side of the Atlantic = french fries.

So how about making Potato crisps the main article for the thin one, and make potato chips a disambig? --Christopherlin 06:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Apparently because that'll upset the Yanks. But you have a string point, crisps or potato crisps is the only international unambiguous term for potato chips --JamesTheNumberless 13:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Chip butty" issue

From "In Recipes" section:

In the United Kingdom and Ireland, the "Potato Chip Sandwich" is more commonly know as a "Chip Buttie". Unlike its American counterpart the bread in the Chip Buttie is buttered, not covered in mayonnaise.

First, I've only ever seen it spelled "Butty". Second, a "Chip Butty" (at least north of Watford Gap, and as far as I know in the south too) is made with friggin' chips - hence the name. A sandwich made with crisps (potato chips, to Americans) is a crisp sandwich. Mayonnaise is optional. A sandwich made with chips (like thick french fries - about 1/3 inch across) is a chip butty, and may use butter according to taste but NEVER mayonnaise. I've edited the article to reflect this (be bold &c.) - if you change it back please at least say so here. Thanks. Tyrhinis 11:24, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I was merely trying to illustrate that the Potato Chip Sandwich does exist as a slightly different variation to the original US recipe. I was not referring to a sandwich made with hot chips/french fries. It is unfortunate that you felt the need to be so angry in response to my addition to this page.

Kat 01:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't angry, sorry if you got that impression - it's just that the two delicacies really are completely different, and putting the butty in with the sandwich will just confuse people; the original edit made it sound as if the sole difference was the butter/mayo thing. Once more with pictures: a UK chip butty is made with these, and a US citizen's chip sandwich is made with these.

Again, if anyone's heard a Brit call a crisp sandwich a "chip butty" (or even buttie), speak now - or just change it, either's good...Tyrhinis 23:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Of course not, a chip buttie is made with chips, not crisps. The latter would be called a crisp sandwich.

The section on crisp sandwiches in general appears to be highly subjective and very poorly written, with reliance on localised brand names for description. --JamesTheNumberless 13:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I agree with the person below, more on the famous story of the invention of chips, plus - what is that picture doing there? Surely the first (especially if it is the only) picture should show traditional crisps on their own, rather than some weird regional ones covered in sauce. Please CHANGE THE PICTURE. Saccerzd 19:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC) (something like this [4]

I agree. If I get to the supermarket any time soon I'll buy a packet and take a new photo for the article. --Richmeister 11:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canned Chips?

has anyone ever heard of canned potato chips. please contact me if so. here

Pringles makes canned chips. Jecowa 20:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moon's Lake House

George Crumb was chef at Moon's Lake House, not the Moon Lake Lodge (there is no Moon Lake near Saratoga Springs) so I am changing the name.--Saxophobia 19:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Italicisation

Why is the word crisp italicised in the majority of places in the article? I thought when it starts an article with xxx or yyy then they're both meant to be valid terms. Italicising them is like saying "that crazy European English word". It certainly seems to have negative connotations in this context. - ^Рэд _хот 13:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External reference - chip reviews

The actual reference notes 357 reviews of chips. I expect the 900 number came from snack reviews in toto. Also, as written, the description specified reviews of over 900 individual chips, not over 900 reviews. --Dumarest 15:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is there a list of all potato chip flavours throught time?

Is there a list of all potato chip flavours throught time?Mooocow 13:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Language

The page is currently a mixture of American English and British English and should be copyedited to just one. Not sure how the page started; the title suggests American, but there are rather more instances of 'flavour' than 'flavor' on the page, so it may have started as British. - MPF 14:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's quite noticable that this entry has been contributed by a mixture of British English and American English speakers and agree that it should be more consistent. In some cases the word crisp is Italicised and in other cases it is not, furthermore there is inconsistency in the spelling of words. American English seems the logical choice as the title of the article is the Americanised term. --JamesTheNumberless 13:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of nutrition section

I have removed the nutrition section because the source provided says nothing about "hypertonic saturated fat stress", and that phrase doesn't appear in google. The article is newsworthy however and could probably be mentioned in the fat article. Also see this article. Graham87 04:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I have just removed it again. I agree that it sounds helpful, but the source given (a British Medical Journal article) does not exist. AntiVan 04:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

And again. The anonymous user (and probably myself as well if the rule is interpreted literally) are probably coming close to violating the three revert rule. Graham87 04:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UK v US products

As a Brit now living in the US, I can see both sides of the arguments so, I have put up a new article Potato crisps which is specifically on the UK crisp and not any other potato or corn based products. The current potato chip article could be cleaned up to relate solely to the US version as others have suggested. Geotek 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I feel this was a good move, the potato chip is very much biased towards a US market, where as the potato crisp is more UK biased. Both articles are needed as there are variations in both countries and it is better noted from them being split. Merging them means that the article will lose its simplicity. --PrincessBrat 20:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

As the writer of the potato crisp (UK) article, I find that the merge - meaning just delete the UK crisp page is somewhat disappointing..... what happened to all the the history of the crisp in the UK and the variation that I put up... if this is supposed to be an encyclopedia then all aspects should be included... whether merged or not......... throwing something out because it does not suit some people, to me seems to go against the spirit of Wiki. Geotek 01:12, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Ketchup chips need their own page.

[edit] Ketchup Chips a Canadian Delicacy

We need to have Nick Finlayson put up the ketchup chip article! It was amazing!

[edit] Economy Section / Tayto innovation

The Economy section jumps into a discussion of a supposed innovation by Tayto without discussion what the actual innovation is and why it was so neat. There is a missing sentence or two:

The global potato chips market generated total revenues of 16.4 billion dollars in 2005. 
This accounted for 35.5% of the total savory snacks market in that year (46.1 billion 
dollar).

The innovation became an overnight....

Thanks for bringing this up here. In fact there were two missing paragraphs. They were removed in this edit. The next edit occurred five seconds later as can be seen by setting the date format to ISO 8601 in special:preferences. The person who made the vandalism revert was using a manual program which takes a while to fetch data from Wikipedia; therefore the edit that removed the two paragraphs was not seen by the program and therefore not reverted. Graham87 14:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] origins

"In the mid-1800s fried potatoes were on menus in the resorts around Saratoga Springs. One day in 1853 a customer at Carey B. Moon’s Lake House complained that the potatoes were soggy and tasteless. The cook, George Speck Crum, became angry and sent out extra-salty, thinly sliced potatoes so crisply fried they crunched. That’s one story.

"Mary Ann Fitzgerald, the Saratoga Springs historian, who last year starred in a German public television special on the potato chip, said another version of the story was floating around. This one involved the chef’s sister, Catherine Speck Adkins Wicks, who was frying doughnuts and slicing potatoes at the same time. A slice fell into the fat and the chip was born.

“What do I really think is the truth?” she said. “I think that there are more people involved than we realize. But this story comes down to us through oral history. There were no cameras recording it. So as much as I would like Kate to be the winner, it does sound like something George would have done. NYT 4jul07

It sounds fake, but seems to actually be true!-69.87.203.130 14:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Potato Crisps / Potato Chips

Why is this named 'Chips' ? I propose we rename this to Crisps, no reply in 24 hours and i will revert, cheers. Gazh 19:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

It's basically the North American name vs the European name. Don't move or rename. Potato crisps already redirects here. Carson 22:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Except that most of Europe uses "chips". It's the UK and Ireland that are the exception here. --WorldWide Update 21:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Then why is the American name used? surely that is biased? Gazh 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably because someone created the potato chips article before potato crisps. There's no point renaming it to potato crisps because then others can use the same arguement and move it back to potato chips. Similarly, check out the entry for potato chips under Lamest_edit_wars#Spelling. Carson 20:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The point in moving it back would be that at least half the time it would be 'Crisps', which is better than permananet 'Chips' is my view, so it may be worth changing this and then reverting the revert (if you follow) hmmm. Gazh 17:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it...you want to do a time-share thing so 'Potato crisps' would share contain the article for awhile...? Carson 05:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm basically saying that an edit war would be better than permamanent 'Chips', so i can see why people resort to those measures in unfair situations like this one, ofcourse i am not liklely to start one because to be honest i can't be arsed to go back and forth with a yank about Crisps. Gazh 09:34, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The origin section notes that the product originated in North America, so it's logical that the North American name be used. It's not biased at all. Additionally, since the Crisps article redirects here, there's no actual point in moving the article back and forth.

Aye mebbes it does say that Crisps were invented in America, but i'd bet against it, I'm going to do a bit of googling, but i think the first Crisps may have been fried before the USA was colonised. Gazh 21:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Gazh, if you're thinking about starting a move war, one would hope that you would cite better sources than those you'd dredge up from tha interwebs using a search engine. JFD 20:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to start an 'edit war' JFD, but if i find something good i'll take the necessary actions. Gazh 21:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

The potato is indigenous to the western hemisphere and, as a result, its introduction to the cuisines of Europe is contemporary with the European colonization of the Americas. Lack of documentary or physical proof aside, that leaves an awfully small window of time for the potato chip/crisp to be invented in Europe before the territory of the present-day United States was colonized.

The earliest documentation of frying as a method of preparing potatoes is from 18th century France (and it seems unlikely that, in the many centuries before European colonization, that it had never occurred to the indigenous peoples of the Americas to cook potatoes in fat).

Ah, but don't forget that the native people of the Americas didn't have steel knives to cut narrow slices. Also, fat sources were so rare in their diet, at least in Central America, that I've seen people speculate in print that the lack of fat was a motivating force for the use of cannibalism (which sounds like hooey to me, but provides a context that makes kettles of fried chips seem unlikely) 70.15.116.59 10:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

However, we are not talking about the first "fried potatoes," but the first "potato chips/crisps". JFD 21:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget that "chips" is also commonly used outside North America, including continental Europe. The term "crisps" seems to be limited to a few countries of the Commonwealth of Nations (not all of them) and Ireland. --WorldWide Update 21:35, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey everybody LOL

Am moving page to Potato Chip/Crisp so it has a more international name. LOL. --Serminigo 11:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Aftertaste?

Personally, I've found that I tend to avoid (or should avoid) potato chips because of a strong lingering aftertaste that reminds me more of corn than potato, which lingers not merely in the mouth but can be tasted/smelled from within the blood itself until it is eventually passed unchanged in fragrant urine. I even get the feeling that it increases the viscosity of both blood and urine but this could easily be my imagination getting the better of me. Can anyone hazard a guess as to what this substance might be? 70.15.116.59 10:20, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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