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[edit] Main article

Shouldn't the link to the main article for each Winter Olympic Games be similar to United_States#History? So for Winter_Olympic_Games#1924_Winter_Olympics we can have ...ownage

1924 
Main article: 1924 Winter Olympics

... that I believe makes it much clearer that the paragraph is just a summary, and clearly points out the link to the main article. -- sabre23t 00:11, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'd rather see those paragraphs go all together, and their contents integrated into their main pages. See also Summer Olympic Games. Aliter 09:59, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Germany & "West" Germany

The "All-time Winter Olympic medal table" section in this article lists "Germany" and "West Germany" as separate countries. I disagree with this; they are the same country. If no-one objects, I'll merge the two. — Timwi 14:36, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History

[edit] 2002 - present

[edit] reaction to perceived threat of terrorism

Article states, "All Olympics since September 11, 2001 have required a higher level of security to avoid any terrorist attack." That is a statement of opinion. Such a higher level of security may not be required in order to avoid a terrorist attack. I suggest something like, "Beginning with the 2002 Winter Games, public concern over the perceived risk of terrorist activity led to more extensive security measures." This would require some information about whether the impetus for change was public concern, knee-jerk reaction of IOC, Salt Lake City government, etc. Pmocek (talk) 20:37, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nordic combined

While looking at the 1960 Winter Olympics, the article didn't mention nordic combined in the list of events, and it seems to be the case for some other Winter Olympics. Wasn't it an event back then? Andjam 05:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic medals?

With the unveiling of the new Turin, Italy Olympic medals (see this link from Sports Illustrated), I thought it might be interesting to make a Wikipedia page about the history of the Olympic medals, which could obviously be a full length article with a lot of good history (i.e.- more than just a collection of pictures). Is anyone up for a collaboration to create this kind of page? And where should it be located? Olympic medal or Olympic Games medal, perhaps? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trivial

Dunno if it's worth including, but, according to tradition, Summer Olympics' last event is the M marathon. What is it for Win? Trekphiler 01:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

In most Olympics, it's the men's gold medal hockey match.

[edit] What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team?

Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?

see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics --Mais oui! 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top ten athletes

Does anybody know where the Top ten athletes list is from and when it has been actualized for the last time? For example Thomas Alsgaard ist missing. He is a norwegian athlete that won already five gold medals in the last winter olympics.

[edit] Spelling/map

What's with the non-standard American English spellings and grammar? And the map doesn't look right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.243.242 (talk • contribs)

I restored your grammar/spelling edits. But, when it comes to removing images, it's good practice to leave an edit summary and first discuss on the talk page. Otherwise, it appears like vandalism. As for the map, what about it doesn't look right to you? -Aude (talk | contribs) 02:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Math Problem

ATTENTION: There seems to be a problem: this page, denoting all-time winter olympic medals, and the summer page, show more medals than the combined list of olympic medals. I would like to bring this to the attention of someone who is willing to find out where the problem is; redistribute the medals (based too on the current games) on this page, the all time summer page, and the total medals page; and possibly create three new pages with this data because these pages are important and the way they are now (dis-similar formatting), it is hard to follow. Thank you for your time! —Jared 14:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Locations map

Anyone got anything against replacing the map with the locations with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Winter_Olympics_Locations.PNG ? In that version, the French and Italian islands are coloured in appropriately and the orange colour is darker (in the current map it's harder to see the orange). --HJV 19:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

"THe the Olympics are stupid the olympics are stupid", followed by roughly ten exclamation points, has been put up by hack on the page. This needs to be weeded. --Chr.K. 23:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnicity/nationality and the winter olympics

The section "Nordic dominance" seems a bit like original research.

However, if the section remains, it may be worth mentioning the sports in which people of African ethnicity have medalled in. Maybe a mention of what sports predominantly non-snowy countries compete in as well (bobsleigh, skeleton, cross-country skiing and aerial skiing come to mind). Andjam 02:10, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Original research? Terrible researcher, if so. The Nordic countries of Norway, Sweden, and Finland took 6th, 7th, and 12th in terms of overall medals, respectively. And did even worse by gold medals. Denmark and Iceland were not present. I'm having trouble seeing how they got 71% of the medals. I've removed the entire section. -- Jonel | Speak 05:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

By Nordic countries, we mean most of those north of the Alps and west of the Elbe. It remains a fact that compared to the original, the true Olympics, these here are exclussive and most demand hyper specialist equipment (unlike marathon, swimming, athletics, ball games, etc). Furthermore, TV audiences were low and NBC seems to have made a loss on its investment.

Original research? The figures speak for themselves. If Jonel keeps disagreeing, please provide reasons that stand - meanwhile thanks for the input. Politis 20:50, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's very clearly not what Nordic countries means. Also, the United States and Canada are neither "non-Nordic European" nor "Asian" nations. They always get some medals, so saying 90% go to European countries that are either Nordic or have long, white winters and 10% go to Asian nations with specialist facilities is clearly false even without debating what Nordic means or the requirements for "long, white winters" or "specialist facilities". The medal table simply does not support your contentions. Find a source for "Nordic dominance" that actually supports your claim, if you wish to add it. -- Jonel | Speak 21:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that's a fair reply. I will try and focus my information.Politis 14:03, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Largest host city?

The article makes the claim: "Vancouver will be the largest city to host a Winter Olympics". Is it possible that Sapporo might still hold that claim? Sapporo is a much larger city than Vancouver, both in area and population. However, if you include the large cities surrounding Vancouver as a "metropolitan area" (Vancouver + Surrey + Burnaby + several more), then "Vancouver" may have the edge. But maybe not — 1972 population figures for Sapporo would have to be used, which I couldn't find. Thoughts? --Ds13 08:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Nobody else responded, so I dug slightly deeper and found a few more stats. (To be verified against other sources.) In 1970, Sapporo alone had a population of "over 1 million"[1], so in 1972, it would be reasonable to say it had a population of twice that of Vancouver today.
The questions remain:
* Should Vancouver be considered larger?
* Does anyone know what an equivalent surrounding area of Sapporo would include to make this an apples-to-apples comparison?
--Ds13 22:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Table of contents

The table of contents is way too long, with a summary for each games. Might I suggest someone making a TOC template for this page that will fit it into a nice small box. If someone agrees but can't do it, I'll do it...just let me know. 'Cause its way too long! Thanks --J@red [T]/[+] 21:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Torch Guy

Does anyone know the name of the guy carrying the torch at the top? StargateX1 02:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture of John Nowak carrying the Olympic Torch to Salt Lake City and the 2002 Winter Games. Picture from: [2] --As quoted from the image page. Glad to be of service! --J@red [T]/[+] 02:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article/Featured article status.

There's a reason why this article is not a featured one, and I think it is because of its unruly format: there's a heading for each games, and who has time to looks at them all? I suggest we set up a team of individuals who will help restructure this article and bring it up to good/featured status. If we only got it to look like its summer counterpart (which it should look like anyway) then maybe we have a shot. Does anyone agree with this? --J@red [T]/[+] 12:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article renovation

I decided to be bold and I fixed up the page myself. I took out much info regarding athletes, as I though it took up too much space, but feel free to put some back in if you deem it necessary. The sections are also in need of some pictures, so if you can collect some posters of the games or some nice images of athletes, that'd be great. Any other help would be nice! Wouldn't if be great if the trio of articles about the olympics are all featured?! → J@red  21:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article on date change

I would like to create an article about the reason the rule about what years what kinds of Olympics are held changed, but I don't know what the best title is. Any good title?? Georgia guy 02:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure either, but you could check out Olympiad for suggestions, perhaps. I havn't looked there yet so I don't know if it'll be helpful.
For now, though, if you really want to work on an Olympic article, it would be appreciated if you looked at the Summer Olympic Games page, which has been listed for featured article delisting. This page, too, needs help to become a FA. Thanks. → J@red  19:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Failing

This article needs references or citations, or something. Anything. Please see WP:CITE and WP:LEAD. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:37, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Looking through now, there are references. The lead is still pretty weak--I'd like to get it improved before renominating for GA. -- Jonel | Speak 19:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ski jumping link

I have moved the link that was in the description of ski jumping into the ski jumping page itself. It looks cleaner this way.

[edit] Distances, styles, and starts

I think a paragragh or two should be devoted to the ever-chaging number and types of events held at the Olympics in the cross-country skiing page. I read on the Turin 2006 Winter Olympics page, that cross-country skiing is alternating the styles (classical and freestlye) in certain events after each olympics. If this could be discussed in-depth, I think it would be helpful. Also, it seems that the distances in some events have been lengthened as well as the starts having been modified. Mass starts, interval starts, and pursuits should also be discussed and differentiated.

[edit] Southern Hemisphere

Someone knows why the Winter Olympics are never held in the southern hemisphere? Has ever a southern country bid to host them?

You are right in that no one in the southern hemisphere has ever bid for a Winter Olympics. The only country to hold a Summer Games in the South Hem. is Australia. I would have to make a big generalization when I say that I believe that most countries in the southern hemisphere do not have the money, security, technology, or even will to bid, let alone hold, an Olympic games. As far as the Winter games, though, I think it's more along the lines of the fact that the little land there is in the southern hem doesn't go far enough south to get the full effects of winter. There is more "Winter land" in the north. I hope that helped! → JARED (t)  15:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe only three countries in the south have the climatic conditions needed (namely New Zealand, Argentina and Chile). Of the requirements listed by Jared, New Zealand seems to be lacking will only; but I'd add tradition.Cloviz 00:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll add that New Zealand may not have the money. The last two Winter Olympics cost a lot of money, and while the economy is strong in NZ, I doubt it could handle the enormous costs of hosting the olympics, even if it is the winter version. Plus, I think NZ is more focused on hosting the Rugby World Cup more than the olympics anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Perakhantu (talk • contribs) 03:41, June 28, 2006
The Smiggin Holes 2010 Winter Olympic bid is the closest Australia has come to a bid for the Winter Olympics. Which isn't very close. Andjam 15:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The other problem that New Zealand would face putting on a Winter Olympics is that its ski resorts, while possibly of sufficient quality to host a Winter Olympics, are a very, very long way from a city of sufficient size to do the rest of the hosting. Queenstown, New Zealand is a town of 10,000 people, and the nearest city of any size at all, Dunedin, has only about 130,000 people and is about four hours drive by car. Auckland is on the North Island and as such is well out of reach. --Robert Merkel 06:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] World War II - Cortina d'Ampezzo

I added "Italy" to follow the same style of the other locations mentioned in the article 77.127.68.216 (talk) 04:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recent unfairness?

The article Lamine Guèye (skier) says:

Guèye has been a prominent figure in drawing attention to what he considers to be discriminatory qualification rules for the Winter Olympics, and has written to the International Olympic Committee requesting that all countries be granted the right to participate in the Winter Games, as was the case up to 1992 (included), and as is still the case for the Summer Olympics.

I can't read the cites, and this article says nothing about it. Shouldn't some details of this this be covered here?--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sochi 2014

Any reason why the introduction refers to Sochi as being only "tentitavely planned" to host the 2014 games? Glensky (talk) 22:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The correct title of this article should be Olympic Winter Games

The correct title of this article should be "Olympic Winter Games", as that is what they are officially called by the IOC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.163.124 (talk) 04:25, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Winter Olympic Games/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

[edit] GA Review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): Fail b (MoS): Fail
    • What is meant by the first nominally international... As a reader, I feel that something is being withheld from me, but I do not understand what.
    • Removed "nominally" as it would be out of the scope of the article to go into detail on how homogenous the Nordic Games were.
    • In general, there are several places where the brackets break the prose; it should rarely be used in professional prose. This will need to be fixed before FAC.
      • Yes, of course parenthesis. I just couldn't remember the word at the time.
    • Point of clarification, by brackets do you mean parenteses ()? I just want to be sure I'm hunting down the right things.
    • There are many inconsistencies throughout the article, in particularly related to the MoS. The article will need a thorough check to comply if nominate for FAC.
    • I've become more versed in MOS issues since first nominating this article. I will go through it again and make corrections.
    • Every single host city has its country states, except for the US hosts, which are always indicated by their state. This is highly biased; however, almost all American Wikipedians who submit material to GA reviews seems to be unable to see this clear bias. With all due respect, two-thirds of the worlds English speakers do not live in the US—please take a more international perspective on your editing. (Interestingly, Canadian and British Wikipedians do not have the same problem).
    • I am ashamed. I truly try to be unbiased so I appreciate the slap on the wrist when my efforts fall short. I see another chastisement coming.
    • Why is it stated that Squaw Valley was nothing more than a village? The same could be said about Garmish-Partenkirchen, Cortina d'Ampezzo and Lake Placid.
    • The source here stressed the near nonexistence of Squaw Valley prior to hosting the Games. That said, the other villages listed could fall into the same context, I'll remove the statement.
    • Is Saporro correct? There is no such mention of a place on either the English nor the Swedish Wikipedia. (It could exist, but I am double-checking). Calling it a city is a bit of an exageration, anyhow.
    • I believe Sapporo, Japan (host of the 1972 Games) is the city which is meant here. I've corrected the spelling and added the country to eliminate the conjunction confusion. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 18:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Jonel is right here, sorry for the mix up. H1nkles (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
    • It is not USD $X, but either USD X or US$X.
    • I note you took great pains to fix many of my transgressions. Thank you. I'll go through the article again to make sure there are no other examples of this.
    • I do not think the world "bereft" is common enough to use on Wikipedia.
    • Removed bereft and reworded sentence. H1nkles (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): Fail b (citations to reliable sources): Pass c (OR): Pass
    • Identical references should call on the same ref several times. For instance use the syntax <ref name=whatever>...</ref> and then recall the ref with <ref name=whatever />.
    • I think I've got all the duplicate references and combined them. H1nkles (talk) 19:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
    • There are bad isbn checksums.
    • The Olympic Sports and Propaganda Games book has an isbn end digit of "x". I'm not sure how to rectify that so I put it in as "x".
    • The last digit of the isbn mumber is a check-sum. It can be calculated by hand or through a simple program. Perhaps the article on isbn has the algorithm.
  3. (outdent) I'm going to have to pause at this point and get back to real life. I'll jump back on this later, thanks again for your work. H1nkles (talk) 20:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
  4. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): Fail b (focused): Fail
    • The two controversies are way out of scope. The first issue is important enough, and could receive its own paragraph, but the judge scandal is of a very marginal importance in an article about the Winter Olypmics. A sentence or two in the history section would be sufficient.
    • I cut out the judging scandal and put about three lines into the 2002 Games history section. It was hard to keep it short but I think I got the basics in there.
    • How was the China/Taiwan issue resolved before the 1984 games? (a sentence or two will do).
    • I added two sentences to the 1984 history section about the resolution to the conflict started in 1980. H1nkles (talk) 16:15, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  5. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias: Fail
    • In general, the article has a thorough bias towards the US. In part this is because an abundance of sources are American, but there are many areas where the scope, prose or detailing is related towards the US.
    • I will undertake a critical look at the article and make changes to internationalize it. H1nkles (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • I've sifted the article and attempted to de-Americanize it. I hope it is a little more balanced. I also added a spot on Björn Dählie, the great Norwegian cross-country skiier who was glaringly missing from the history section. H1nkles (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • That would be Bjørn Dæhlie (no need to write his name as they do in Sweden or Germany ;)
    • I am sooo bad with the script, I wish I knew more about European languages and how to write them in Wikipedia, I would have caught that. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
    • The section on the 1980 Lake Placid games seems to have an American bias. The formulations are marginally in favor of the US throughout the paragraph. It should be polished down. Remember to consult non-US sources.
    • You're absolutely right, I removed "American" from "American boycott" because it ended up being a boycott of nearly the entire western world anyway. I feel that the hockey win and Heiden's five golds would be glaringly missing if either were removed but I also added a noteworthy acheivement by a female skiier from Liechenstein. I could add more if you feel the section is still out of balance. H1nkles (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Describing a person as "charismatic" is not appropriate on Wikipedia. It is a weasel word, and is highly subjective.
    • Removed
    • Under politics, it is discussed how German propagated their politics through the Games. Could it be explained how? All the article mentions is how they did not propagade anit-semittism nor "unpopular beliefs". As it stands, the paragraphs says nothing, but makes highly subjective claims. I am also concerned because of the personification of Hitler.
    • In rereading the intro paragraph for this section I found it bland and poorly written. I removed it entirely. I'm not sure an introduction is required, if so I'll put something in there but for now I'll leave it as is. H1nkles (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
  6. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.: Pass
  7. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): Pass b (appropriate use with suitable captions): Pass
    • I will accept the fair use rationale for File:1924w.jpg under doubt.
    • As I am slowly pushing this article towards featured status I know that FAC reviewers look very critically at fair use, I don't think the image would pass at that level so I removed it, with sadness. H1nkles (talk) 16:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    • Remember not to force image sizes
    • More images would be nice (though not a GA criteria, just a recommendation).
  8. Overall:
    Pass/Fail: On Hold
    I am placing the article on hold. There are several issues that need to be addressed. I have given some comments regarding future work to get the article closer to FA requirements, since I see that the article is approching features quality.
    I appreciate your review I'll get on the fixes and work towards upgrading the article. H1nkles (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
    I have worked through your suggestions and Jonel and I have made several edits. Please advise if there is more work to do and I will be happy to take it on. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
    I am passing the article. It is a fine piece of work, and way over the GA criteria. I have been a bit picky to help in areas I have spotted that could be a problem at FA, since such a fine, and not least important, work should go there. Personally I would recommend at least one check for MOS and a copyedit by someone who hasn't written the article. Other than that all I can say is the best of luck. Arsenikk (talk) 11:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
    Thank you, I appreciate your work. Your two reviews of my articles have been cogent, topical and not the least bit nit picky. The article is better, which is why I really believe in the GA process. Keep on doing what you do! H1nkles (talk) 15:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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