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[edit] There is no conterdiction

Arvand was used for Tigris, The Shatt al-Arab was Tigris at that time, there was no distinction. Also, why are you removing the part about the river being a Persian territory until the time of Afsharids? At last, do not use words like "vandalism" to scare off your opponents in a content dispute, vandalism is the addition of "I poop on you" or similar stuff to articles, not a subjective disagreement over content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.138.108 (talk) 15:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

On the issue of vandalism, I responded in your talk page (diff.).
On the disagreement over content I moved the discussion to the article's talk page (diff.).
Regards, Ev (talk) 18:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)


Ev, please look at what you are reverting. I had already reverted the anon[1][2], you simply blind-reverted all of my non-controversial improvements to the paragraph[3]. --07fan (talk) 19:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi 07fan. I (almost) always look what I revert to, and I did look in this case. I had seen you revert 99.238.138.108's edit, and your modifications to the paragraph. It was not intended to be a blind revert :-)
When reviewing the changes, and aiming at brevity & simplicity, I thought that:
  • the addition of "the confluence of the Shatt al-Arab" was unnecessary just two paragraphs below the mention of "[the Shatt al-Arab is a river] formed by the confluence of the Euphrates and the Tigris";
  • describing it again as a "waterway" was also redundant, since both the first and second paragraph mention that it is one;
  • I preferred mentioning it as simply "Arvand", instead of the full "Arvand Rūd", because the article in Encyclopædia Iranica used only "Arvand" too (as does the verse of the Bahman Yast mentioned in the article's talk page). To avoid possible conflicts, I wanted the sentence to reflect as accuratedly as possible the wording of the source used.
On the other hand, now that I think of it, I like the change of "for" by "specifically to designate".
Sorry about being lazy and just reverting all... I was tired of writing the explanations to the anon, and hoped that just adding "respectfully" to my edit summary would magically make all what I mentioned above clear to any reader. I humbly apologize.
Do you think that we could use my version, with the sole addition of the "specifically to designate" part ? - Best regards, Ev (talk) 19:44, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem, but I think "the confluence of the Shatt al-Arab" is is a good addition within the context of the paragraph, I fixed everything else.--07fan (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's keep it then. Thank you for doing all the work :-) And, again, my apologies for not communicating properly. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 20:06, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:On moving a page (Istok)

Yeah, I noticed that when I did it, I apologize. It wouldn't let me use the 'move' option, and at that point I lost my patience for a move request :P... Thanks, --Bolonium (talk) 22:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC) (post copied over)

Yes, I figured that it was a simple lack of patience. Don't worry about it :-) Just try not to do it again. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] cyrillic names

Hi I see that you agree on ptting the cyrillic names last on the infobox og Kosovo cities
Me too but there is a small problem
User :Bolonium is countinuing to put them first
I would deal with this myself but I am going to be a little busy till Saturday so I would appreciate if you could take a look at this
thank you very much--B.C. 09:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I answered in your talk page (diff.) - Regards, Ev (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to join WikiProject Kosovo

I thought you might like to know that I've (re)started Wikipedia:WikiProject Kosovo to help coordinate editing and facilitate monitoring of Kosovo-related articles. I will be sponsoring the project. If you have any queries about it, please ask me on my talk page or use Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kosovo.

If you wish to become involved, please feel free to do so - simply leave your username at Wikipedia:WikiProject Kosovo#Participants. One feature that you may find particularly useful is the public watchlist. If you click here you can see all the recent changes to articles listed on the watchlist.

There is still a lot of work to be done on getting the project off the ground, so your help would be welcomed. In particular:

  • The public watchlist needs to be populated with all Kosovo-related articles (and redirects), categories, images and templates. I've added as many as I've found so far but more need to be added.

If you can help out with these, it would be much appreciated.

-- ChrisO (talk) 23:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for dedicating the time necessary for re-starting the project in the right track, ChrisO :-) For starters, discussion there may well prove to be the solution to many of the recurrent edit wars over style issues.
For the time being I will concentrate in populating the public watchlist, following your example as to the alphabetic order. Best regards, Ev (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosova: disambiguation page or redirect?

The article Kosova should redirect to Kosovo and there should be a disambiguation page for Kosova. Please understand that the term is widely used to refer to the country even in English.--70.241.0.212 (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the current disambiguation page, because I believe it's more usefull to our English-speaking readers than a simple redirect to "Kosovo". And I really like disambiguation pages :-) However, if you consider that it should become a redirect, simply raise the issue at Kosova's talk page, and try to gather consensus for such change. - Best regards, Ev (talk) 00:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick heads-up

Just wanted to notify an admin active on Kosovo articles about [4] and [5]. I don't know what the consensus format is at the moment for these boxes, but either way bouncing between the two isn't doing any good. If you have time/inclination, could you drop in on them and let them know what the current position is ? It would be good if there were a page with details of how Kosovo-related articles are to be presented in the near future - maybe WP:KOSOVO? Thanks in advance for any help, Knepflerle (talk) 16:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Knepflerle :-) Thank you for bringing this up, I will deal with them.
There's no consensus yet on how to present articles on Kosovo, althought ChrisO mentioned that he wouldll "put together a manual of style for Kosovo placenames along the lines of WP:MOSMAC".
Your suggestion to work out clear guidelines at the Kosovo WikiProject is the obvious course of action; but to be honest, I dread to face the cascade of nationalist rants it will most certainly entail. *sigh* I will give it a try :-) Best regards, Ev (talk) 17:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem ;) I don't envy the task of sorting it out (from which I happily recuse myself from lack of expertise/axes to grind). Looking at [6] this is happening sporadically form many different IP's, so it's going to keep people busy for a while. Hopefully at least if they are directed to the central scuffle over drafting a guideline they can argue there in a contained environment and it'll keep the heat and reverting off the articles! (And we might even get a happy simple Gdańzig-shaped rule in the end). Thanks and best of luck, Knepflerle (talk) 09:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kosovo municipalities

Hey there. I remember that a consensus was reached earlier that mentioned the names of Kosovo municipalities are in English/Serbian and then in Albanian. Now that a few countries have recognized that unilateral declaration of independence, does that change the municipality naming policy? I've noticed that Albanians are changing the names of municipalities throughout the entire article into Albanian names... Even those municipalities with a Serbian majority, like Leposavić. I'm just wondering what should be done. Thanks, --Bolonium (talk) 23:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

No, Kosovo's declaration of independence doesn't change anything: common English usage continues to be our guiding principle to mention names in the English Wikipedia. See my comments at the Kosovo WikiProject. - I'm afraid that my internet connection is not functioning properly right now, and there's no much that I can do. By the way, and just as a friendly remainder, remember that the three-revert rule remains valid also, so be patient and don't get yourself blocked :-) Best regards, Ev (talk) 23:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Albanian/Serbian Naming Convention: Kosovo

Dear Ev,

As per your message, I agree that for historical reasons, the English-speaking world recognizes Serbian nomenclatures of Kosovan cities, towns, villages, mountains, etc. Nonetheless, a NEW convention must be made. Because Kosovo is now independent and the primary language is Albanian (followed by Serbian, the second official language), then all the names should be in Albanian followed by the Serbian counterparts. This is the logical way to go because new historical events have always CHANGED things in the world. Kosovo's independence, a new historical event, will surely change the way the English-speaking world recognizes the new state. Therefore, Wikipedia should be as neutral as it could get, but it should also respect the new state, not the ways the English-speaking world know the new state...--Arbër 09:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied in ArberBorici's talk page. - Ev (talk) 09:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gjakova

Dear Ev,

Gjakova is a town in Kosova that has 0 % serbs. The first name that should appear in the page on this town, should be Gjakova, not Djakovica. Please revert it to Gjakova. How would you feel if Volgograd is still called Stalingrad? Thanks, Edvini —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edvini (talk • contribs) 11:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I replied at Edvini's talk page. Ev (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jebem ti srpsku majku

Sta ti mislis bre da si neki bog!!! Jebem ti wikipediu is sve sto je srpsko u njoj kao i tvoju majku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendobs (talk • contribs) 22:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not understand Serbo-Croatian. Please, write in English. - Regards, Ev (talk) 23:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok, the Yugoslav lexicon of swear words gave me an idea of the general meaning of the comment... - Ev (talk) 04:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
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