With NASA in a budget crisis, the US faces a historic choice between boosting human space exploration like President Kennedy did in the 1960s or confining astronauts to low-Earth orbit like President Nixon did a decade later, former NASA chief Mike Griffin told a congressional committee on Tuesday.
But while some members of Congress expressed support for a budget boost for the agency, it remains to be seen whether a majority will support such a plan.
Griffin, now a professor at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, compared the situation to a choice between following in the footsteps of Kennedy, who spurred Congress to fund the Apollo moon programme, and Nixon, who later shut it down. He spoke at a hearing of the House Committee on Science and Technology in Washington, DC.
The budget proposed for NASA in May is not sufficient to pursue human space exploration beyond low-Earth orbit, he said. "With the budget in front of us, we're poised to behave not like the Kennedy administration but the Nixon administration, where after spending literally a fortune to develop the spaceships of Apollo we threw them away," he said. "Do today's leaders want to be remembered like John Kennedy or Richard Nixon?"
The House committee met to discuss a summary report released last week by a White House panel that reviewed NASA's human space flight programme.
The panel was led by former Lockheed Martin CEO Norman Augustine, who also spoke to the committee on Tuesday. He reiterated his panel's conclusion that NASA would be stuck in low-Earth orbit indefinitely without a budget boost of at least $3 billion per year.
Drop in the bucket
Committee member Dana Rohrabacher, a congressman from California, said NASA's cost overruns on projects such as the International Space Station are partly to blame for its budget crisis. But he added that the amount of extra money it needed was relatively small. "Let's face it, we gave [insurance giant] AIG $150 billion, and now we're arguing about $3 billion for NASA," he said.
Vernon Ehlers, a member of Congress from Michigan who has a PhD in physics, argued that NASA should seek to fill its funding gap in part by
Augustine and fellow panel member Edward Crawley of MIT both spoke in favour of joint space ventures with other countries. Pooling the space resources of the European Space Agency and its member states, as well as those of Canada and Japan, would add up to about 60 per cent of NASA's existing budget, Crawley said.
Dream team
"And you would have real capability: the robotic capability of the Canadians, the propulsive capability of the Europeans, the on-orbit robotics and laboratory capability of the Japanese," he added.
But why spend money on human space flight at all? Augustine said the usual reasons given, which include spurring innovation, boosting the economy, and inspiring people to pursue careers in science and technology, did not justify the expense. "Programmes have to be justified, we think, to a large degree on an intangible basis, which makes it no less important – namely to lay the path forward for
Augustine, who will be speaking to a Senate committee on Wednesday, said the panel intends to have its full report ready by the end of September. The full version will provide a detailed comparison of the
The White House and Congress will have the final say over where NASA will go, and what resources it will have to get there.
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Why are these articles always posing the question:
"But why spend money on human space flight at all?
and giving the same answers, to spur interest in the field etc...
what ever happened to good old fashioned exploration and discovery in the first person, you know that stuff our ancestors used to do? Sailing across a seemingly endless ocean just to see what was on the other side.
Honestly if there were robotics in Columbus' days there wouldn't even be a United States, just beaches littered with defunct robotics
Sadly Serafimm, good old fashioned discovery wasn't to prevalent in the past either. Most exploration was driven by the profit motive, just like now, there's a quid at the end of the space flight.
Really? For over a hundred years roughly 300 expeditions were launched just to find the elusive Northwest passage. If anything we are slowing down our explorations.
We need to forget the moon and head straight for Mars and maybe on the way stop by an asteroid or too
Selective quoting of the third last paragraph:
"the usual reasons given did not justify the expense. Programmes have to be justified to a large degree on an intangible basis, namely to lay the path forward for humans to move [out] into the solar system,"
In other words, Augustine agrees with you.
He is saying that the usual reasons given are not good enough and that the only worthwhile reason is exploration and even settlement of the solar system.
Because We Can
Wed Sep 16 15:08:42 BST 2009 by Dirk Bruere
http://www.neopax.com
If you want the reasons, ask the Chinese.
The West has lost its vision.
Right, and the Chinese are great visionaries and technological innovators.
Because We Can
Wed Sep 16 17:18:16 BST 2009 by Nelson Bridwell
http://www.mobilerobot.org
Cute! I can just visualize Miami Beach littered with rusted out steam-powered contraptions that have empty cages for the courrier pigeons..
I recently saw Buzz Aldrin speak in person about the moon landing. He showed a famous picture of him walking on the moon and told the story of someone asking him "what's so great about this picture?"
"Three important things," he replied. "Location, location, and location."
How about the massive financial gain nasa's pioneering technology has already given rise to? Like mobile phone technology, decended from the lunar landings, I believe. Is that not reason enough? The more we invest in problem solving in space the more we hope to gain from boosting terrestrial technologies.
Also it's much better that we're driving technology forward through exploration. The normal method is war
It is painfully obvious to those of us who watched Apollo astronauts land on the moon, that "Apollo on steroids" may get us to a few interesting destinations, but really does not represent the radical implementation of new technologies that will give us the means to explore in the true sense of the word. We now have a great deal of experience building large structures in orbit. NASA should use this knowledge to push the envelope and develop craft that are truely designed to travel in space, can be assembled and refueled in space, and never enter the atmosphere.
The Augustine Commission asks a key question, "What is the most practicable strategy for exploration beyond low-Earth orbit?" The obvious answer is to accelerate development and production of advanced propulsion technologies such as VASIMR and build the infrastructure needed in space to support refueling and resupply, crew rotation, and refit. This infrastructure can be implemented with current and near-term developmental technology and will support real human expansion into the solar system.
Does the Congress or the current administration have the vision to embark on this path to the solar system or will we remain confined to low-Earth orbit? Real exploration will capture the imagination of the nation!
"Does the Congress or the current administration have the vision to embark on this path to the solar system or will we remain confined to low-Earth orbit? Real exploration will capture the imagination of the nation!" - Dave
In 7 years America will be 20 trillion in debt, the U.S. dollar will be worth 1/3rd of what it is today and the Failed nation may very well be three countries instead of one.
Whatever visions Uncle Sam may presently have are they oxygen deprived fantasies of a dying mind.
NASA had great potential, and has accomplished some truly remarkable things. NASA is the only jewel - however tarnished - that Uncle Sam has left. But it's fading fast and will soon be gone entirely. Sold to the Chinese for a few more breaths of fresh air.
American achievement will live on as Chinese products, even though the American state will not.
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America has the finances available to put some serious investment into Space exploration. To call America failed based on a 20trillion debt highlights you are either making assumptions based on 20 trillion being a huge number or you are reading some anti America rhetoric from some other website.Either way I question your knowledge of Economic mechanisms (get yourself a macro economics book and you will see many fiscal mechanisms prevent a countries debt equating to say a personal loan or credit card you or your parents might have). The fact is America has the ability to swiftly pay off its debt within 10 -15 years. It could call in the loans that are propping up most of Eastern Europe and Russia and pay off half over night but that would obviously have terrible knock on effects. Russia is already in some serious financial trouble and as its putting back the launch date of yet another probe we certainly cant rely on their ability to get anything up in the air these days. I advise reading some respect economic publications and you can form a balanced opinion of the troubles and see its not certainly not the end of the good old US.
Thanks for the honest response, but I disagree! Granted, the current economic situation is depressing, but these things are cyclic.
Historically, exploration has always led to economic expansion. Civilizations that became introverted and stoped exploring became stagnant. China made this mistake in the 1400s and was repeatedly conquered for hundreds of years.
The US and NASA still have great potential as innovators if a little more than the current 6/10 of one percent of the national budget can be dedicated to space exploration.
Orion???
Thu Sep 17 07:50:01 BST 2009 by MaDeR
http://madcio.no-ip.org/index.php/Butterfly
"In 7 years America will be 20 trillion in debt, the U.S. dollar will be worth 1/3rd of what it is today and the Failed nation may very well be three countries instead of one."
How old are you? Do you "predict" fall of USA in 7 years all way through 20 years of your aldut life? :)))
Hereby I predict that in 2030 you will be spewing same old nonsense about fall in 7 years.
Gotta love political crackpots...
Ho hum... another man is orbit.... on and on it goes.
What they they do? What did they discover? What did they accomplish? What did we get back in return for their trip up? Seemly all they did was play cards, goof around, clean the place.
Are they making new discoveries in the lab up there? Are they manufactoring anything that can't be made down on earth?
We need to push on against the space frontier. To make new discoveries, to learn new things.
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The Space Shuttle is essentially a mini-space station that can lift off and land. You know what a lot of space shuttle flights consisted of before they were relegated to just building the ISS? Experiments. Crews would fly into orbit, perform experiments for a couple of weeks, then return for experiment analysis. Not to mention launching and servicing satellites and telescopes.
The space shuttle even today isn't worthless. The European resupply craft can only carry about 2.5 tons of supplies to the ISS; the most recent shuttle mission brought up 7.5 tons of supplies AND is bringing back down experiments for analysis.
To call it worthless is a bit of a stretch. I have no doubts you'll give me lip about how it costs a lot of money and that normal rhetoric. Just because something costs more money than other options doesn't make it "worthless," it makes it less desirable. Although I don't see the ATV building the ISS or running experiments.
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