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[edit] IPA fot Zeev Suraski

Could someone provide the IPA for Zeev Suraski, the current article is a bit ridiculous. Thanks, JACOPLANE • 2008-06-27 10:14

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[edit] Amnon Yitzhak

One source has been provided to label Rabbi Yitzhak an anti-Zionist and essentially lump him with explicit anti-Zionists. I think this violates BLP. On top of that, the cat has been applied as well which even more strongly violates, IMO, WP:categorization. Please comment on that page or here in either way. Thanks. --Shuki (talk) 21:09, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] New Featured Picture

Durova and I collaborated on the cleanup of a Victorian B'nai B'rith membership certificate. Thought you might like to know. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 07:43, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Tay-Sachs disease

I have submitted this article for Peer Review. Would someone please assess the article for WikiProject Judaism. I have been editing on this article and many related articles, some related to Judaism and some related to science and medicine, for more than three years. Although Tay-Sachs disease is a subject for which the scientific treatment must come first, the subject is intrinsically important in Jewish communities, and the impact the disease and its screening programs have had is covered in a "historical significance" section at the end of the article. Metzenberg (talk) 23:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Flavius Josephus

Jephtha's Rash Vow Have this now. I have the first volume of two, which is the first 17 books of Antiquities of the Jews. Unfortunately, I probably won't get the second anytime soon. Never mind! Plenty to do with his one.

The image at right is a partial restoration - I decided to upload what I had done so far, since it's going to be another day or so to finish up. It'll be replaced with a full one in good time. I realise Jephtha is an odd choice for the start, but I decided to go with something a bit less illustrated. Anyway, I intend to do all of them in the end. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] University of Florida Hillel

  • I was hoping that you all might be able to help expand the University of Florida Hillel article. It is one of the strongest and most active student groups on campus. Also if a picture could be found that would be great. Thanks alot for your help! NorwalkJames (talk) 01:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Chabad.Org hiring wikipedia editors and admins

Since, wikipedia does not allow the mentioning of any private details, I will avoid doing so. Some Chabad.Org employees are paid to edit wikipedia. An end must be put to this. 192.118.11.120 (talk) 09:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

You might take this issue to to WP:OTRS. -- Malcolm Schosha (talk) 11:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Interesting. Is there a policy against this? shirulashem (talk) 12:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I suppose the issue would be WP:COI. If I remember correctly, the user is (was?) an administrator. The Chabad article does come across as a Chabad promotional brochure, and numerous attempts to make it more encyclopedic have all failed. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 12:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Could it be that same people edit out of personal conviction rather than as hired guns. Either way, people who write NPOV, paid or not, are welcome. The converse also holds. JFW | T@lk 23:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if it's connected or not, but wikipedia currently has a ton of external links to Chabad websites like chabad.org. While chabad.org clearly counts as a Reliable source for information, it usually fails the first criteria of Wikipedia:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. It might be time to think about whether every Jewish related page really needs an EL to the related chabad webpage. --Bachrach44 (talk) 13:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I agree that the chabad.org links are often not in keeping with WP:ELNO, as they provide no added information. JFW | T@lk 05:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Shall we start removing Chabad.Org links? 192.118.11.120 (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Since chabad.org hasn't been blacklisted - yet - we can't just unilaterally remove all links. But seeing that there are a lot of links that violate policy, I say let the CAREFUL/APPROPRIATE deletion of links begin! shirulashem (talk) 03:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I've started removing links just by doing a wikipedia search for chabad.org, and I'm realizing that this problem is certainly not limited to chabad.org. There are a ton of links all over the place that don't belong. So please take a look at all links on Judaism articles, not just chabad.org. shirulashem (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Although I'm no fan of Chabad, I think we should err on the side of sourcing. There's been too great a tendency on Wikipedia to remove sourced information. I've even seen Admins edit warring to remove sourced information. What happens is that this creates a vaccuum that can be filled by anything, and sometimes leaves information just hanging with no citation at all. Instead of deleting links, why not replace them with better ones? And until you can replace the ref with a better ref, I'd suggest just leaving it alone -- unless you know the information is incorrect (in which case you may need to remove the information as well as the ref). If you keep edit warring to remove rather than replace, you'll fight an unwinnable battle. The information we have here must be sourced, or it just hangs alone on a "we said so."EGMichaels (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Can someone explain why they think that chabad.org violates WP:ELNO? I think it is quite a reliable source, and references to it should be left. Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 20:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I should clarify that I was referring just to external links to various chabad.org sites. I'm not talking about using chabad.org as a reference, although it's definitely not the best source in the world. I'm talking about things like this, where I removed a bunch of external links (not only to chabad.org) as per WP:ELNO, WP:EL & WP:NOTLINK. If those links were okay, we could've had hundreds if not thousands of links in that article to numerous sites on the different parshas. shirulashem (talk) 12:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Ditto what shirulashem said. I've been looking over many of the holiday page and found that they've been popular targets for people to add their own link-cruft. We don't need every holiday to have ELs to chabad, aish, the OU, MyJewishLearning, and Yeshiva.org. (After all if we allow those, why not the hundreds of other Jewish organizations out there? the list could easily grow to the thousands). To directly address what Yehoishophot asked, the first criteria of WP:ELNO is "Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a Featured article." While many of the sites I mentioned earlier (and have been removing) are very good, and could certainly be sources, they do not provide anything unique beyond what the article would contain if it were an FA. As an aside, I've been leaving many ELs which link to sites whose focus is audio (usually songs related to the given holiday) because I feel that that's something wikipedia doesn't focus on, and that does provide a unique resource which wouldn't be covered in the WP article. --Bachrach44 (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't understand why on the Shavuos page did you remove the link to aish.com but you left the link to jewfaq.org which has much less content than aish.com and what the article on Wikipedia already has? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shteiger (talkcontribs) 01:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Good point - I'll remove that one too. (In case you were curious, my previous thinking was that Jewfaq was non commercial and had no agenda, making them a generally better link, and I didn't have time to do a more thorough review. After a more thorough review I can't find a good reason to keep them). I'll replace it with a link to the Jewish Encyclopedia. --Bachrach44 (talk) 19:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
  • An awful lot of people edit Wikipedia as part of their job. College PR officers, people who work for non-profits of almost every description, corporate PR officers, book publicists - the list is long. Most are now smart enough not to do it on the office computer. Why is Chabad different from the case of a a University employee who edits the university Wikipedia page and includes links to University.edu?Historicist (talk) 15:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Again, although I'm no fan of Chabad, there is nothing wrong with adding useful, pertinent, and notable information. If we don't approve of some link we can always replace it with a better one. We spend way too much overhead trying to get rid of sourced information, and it leaves holes begging to be filled by Chabad or someone else. Let them gap the holes, and then we can improve on them (if any improvement is needed). We wouldn't have even had this problem had we not had a habit on this site of deleting everything rather than improving it.EGMichaels (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I do see a problem with this link

which is in the external links section of the main Chabad article. Although there is an immense controversy over the claims that Rabbi Schneerson is the Mashiach, all the article has about it is this, this and the above link. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 18:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed that this is a problem link. Good catch! I guess the problem is a bit worse than I anticipated.EGMichaels (talk) 19:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Pageview stats

After a recent request on my talk page, I added the Judaism project to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. I can also provide the full data for any project covered by the bot if requested, though I normally don't keep it for much longer than a week after the list is generated. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! (note that there is an encoding issue with some non-ascii titles, this will be fixed in the next update). Mr.Z-man 19:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Z-man: thank you very much! shirulashem (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
As the person who requested it, I should apologize for having not run the idea by the members in advance. I asked for it in part because of wanting it for the WikiProject Christianity, where I am one of the coordinators. There I wanted it to help find out just what kind of articles get the most views, and how many of them need work. It strikes me as being one of the few really easy ways to see which sort of "new" articles are getting a lot of attention. Anyway, after I saw we only had 20 or so stub class articles in the list, we are now starting a contest this month to get all those articles up to at least Start status. I don't know whether you would want to do anything similar here, but it might be one way to get a bit more attention to those articles. John Carter (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Does this program show increasing and decreasing traffic for an individual page? That would be a useful metric.EGMichaels (talk) 13:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it does directly, although Z-man might be able to get that information. But the changes in traffic on a month by month basis should be notable as it gets updated every month. John Carter (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The sons of Ovadia Yosef

Among the sons of Ovadia Yosef, it appears that at least three are notable; Rabbi Yaakov Yosef, Rabbi Yitzchak Yosef (author of Yalkut Yosef), and Rabbi Avraham Yosef (Chief Rabbi of Holon). I think there are enough sources for an article on each, and I have begun work on two of them. I would appreciate any thoughts. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

As there seems to be no objection, I think the creation of the Yitzhak Yosef page is appropriate concerning his notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 02:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cfds

There are 3 Judaism-related cfds in progress - Category:Jewish jurists, Category:Jewish United States Supreme Court justices and Category:Jewish American activists. Occuli (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect?

It appears that Ujpest Synagogue duplicates the much more complete Dohány Street Synagogue. If that is correct, there should be a redirect (correct term?), but I hesitate to do that myself because I lack the WP skills, and tend to make a mess of such things. Malcolm Schosha (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the page needs to be merged into Dohány Street SynagogueHistoricist (talk) 15:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] David D'Or

David D'Or -- Jewish Israeli Singer of the Year and Eurovision contestant, whose last album is a collection of prayers, and who also performs Avinu Malkeinu and other famous Jewish prayers; needs sourcing for some platinum albums; also, any expansion that can help it attain GA/FA status. Also needs assessment for this WP. Thanks.--Ethelh (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of David D'Or from this wikiproject by editor

Hi. An editor has deleted (see [1]) the inclusion of David D'Or as a subject of this (and a number of other) wikiprojects. I believe that D'Or belongs. Can someone who is involved in this wikiproject please a look? D'Or is Jewish, sings a wide range of music, including Jewish prayers (his entire last CD), avinu malkeinu, etc.. I'm not pre-supposing the level of importance of his music to this wikiproject, but that can of course be reflected in the assessment. If you have a view, pls feel free to express it on the D'Or talk page. Many thanks.--Ethelh (talk) 02:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hebrew Wikisource 10,000+

Hi everyone and happy Lag ba-Omer. Just wanted to announce that Hebrew Wikisource has passed the "10,000 texts" milestone. Activity has increased greatly over the past year. We have lots of material that could be of use to you here as textual references, sources for convenient citations within articles, and convenient research aids. It would be great to see more interaction. Come visit! Dovi (talk) 06:02, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] GA Sweeps notice of possible demotion of Isaac

I want to inform the community that I have done a GA Reassessment of Isaac and found the article lacking. Not very much will need to be done but enough that I could not keep it GA without some effort. I am notifying all interested projects that I have held this article for one week pending editing. The review can be found here. If you have any questions please feel free to contact my talk page. H1nkles (talk) 23:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Problem? with 'Seven Laws of Noah' page

I Googled '7 Noachide laws' and got a link to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah page. That link is somehow broken and I get a warning about downloading an unknown file type. I looked at the Google cached version and found a circular path back thru the redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noachide_Laws that will get me to the live/working 'Seven Laws of Noah' page. I am a loyal Wikipedian and have no horse in any Seven_Laws_of_Noah vs Noachide_Laws, or Judaism vs Christianity race, but after lookong at the Talk:Seven Laws of Noah page I decided to post my observation here for someone at a higher level to check and fix. Thanks, GF —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.227.48 (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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