OK, this is supposed to be a place to chat about what we do... Janke 10:15, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Forney and other steam == I think your edit on Matthias_N._Forney today was the fasest edit from another user that I've gotten on any of the railroad-related articles that I've written. Way cool. I've linked the photo on the Forney page too. Thanks for uploading it. Oh, and by the way, I've taken a look at a few of the other photo uploads that you mentioned in your note to me recently. Very nice. I've made a couple minor edits to grammar and links in the captions as well as adding whitespace where needed to flow around the photo. slambo June 29, 2005 15:32 (UTC) == Finland-Swedish == Nice to hear that you like my suggestions :) I'd, however, prefer to wait a couple of days for other comments as well because I'm not sure that it should be placed under "Ethnicity", which already seems to be a bit of a mess already. Perhaps it should be in the introduction. /Mathias_Johansson | Talk == Flag of Finland == Hello! Thanks for your note. The flag of Finland I drew, however, used the colour blue as specified by the Finland Ministry of the Interior, so I may revert this. Moreover, I (and others) tend to not include borders with flags for two reasons: (1) from a vexillogical perspective, borders are properly not part of a flag, and (2) I tend to not include them when one can more easily discern where the edges of a flag are or should be. You can denote where the white on the Finnish flag begins and ends through inferrence of the dimensions of the blue cross; the Flag_of_Japan, on the otherhand, is different because it is difficult to surmise where the white begins and ends. Thoughts? E Pluribus Anthony 17:29, 19 July 2005 (UTC) : Hi there; thanks for your reply. As a designer, I'm well aware of the differences inherent with PMS and other colour-matching systems like RGB, CMYK, RSL, etc.; my point is that the colours represented should be official ones, not approximated ... irregardless of approximations when converting or viewing them. This can also apply to photographs, so your perception of what is the correct blue may be different from mine (though I do not challenge your belief that the blue in the picture is lighter than in the flag image). Without there being an agreed-upon standard for representing colours (and you nor I can say certainly if the specs provided are for print or screen), the official colour specifications should suffice or ones be used that can be found on or sampled from a Finnish government website depicting the flag. (This same rationale, by the way, was applied to the Flag_of_Canada, which uses a precise red, and was a collaboration between myself and another user.) : And while I may not be Finnish (which is not a ground for substantiation), you need only proceed to the submenu on the website I cited to view a diagram of the Finnish flag that is darker than your representation and similar to the one I drew. Moreover, I do not think it weird for the flag to not have a border, I think it cheapens it: since the Wikipedia background is off-white (a light-blue, I believe), I can resolve the flag edges. Preferably, borders (even light ones) should only be used when absolutely necessary (i.e., when you can't resolve the beginning or end of whites in other flags, as in the Japanese flag). Perhaps you need a new monitor or should adjust its Gamma? Thoughts? E Pluribus Anthony 21:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC) :: Thanks again for your prompt reply. In response: (1) Even with your review and exposure (and I do note your review of the website), the blue in your image is far lighter than specified on the government website and in the images I cited and created (and darker than in the photograph there). (2), (4) I think it far more important to use the specs provided--CMYK numbers et al.--and not rely merely on what '''looks''' right, as this is a matter of interpretation. (3) The presence of a border on so small an image, as for Lokomo, does nothing for it so its presence may be unnecessary. Moreover, the background is still off-white so a border does not add value. So, I believe the best course of action is to use or devise a flag using the official colour specifications (as in the previous image I created) but to include a light grey border. Unless other input is forthcoming or a differing viewpoint from others, this is what I'll work on. Thoughts? E Pluribus Anthony 21:57, 19 July 2005 (UTC) PS: PMS is generally for print but we cannot say certainly that this is applicable in this instance. E Pluribus Anthony 21:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC) :: Yes: perhaps we should be chatting. ;) I may 'cheat' a little, but the PMS colours noted should ultimately reign supreme (remember the online diagrams of the national and state flags on the government website...) :: As for the border, we can agree to disagree: if the Wikipedia background were not so 'white,' I and others would prefer '''no''' borders even on white flags (since they are not properly part of the flag); visit the Flags of the World website and you will find few if any white and other flags with borders. There's still room for stiffies and not, however, and I don't consider myself the former. I'm not easy, though. ;) :: As for the Canadian flag, the red used is consistent with specifications and online instances. The Royal Military College flag is a photo and not the same (but this flag served as a template for the Canadian flag). Besides, the prior versions of the Canadian flag online were absolutely horrible renditions and it started to drive me nuts. Anyhow, thanks for your feedback. :) E Pluribus Anthony 22:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC) == re: Eisner Award == ...but the page clearly states it's the Will_Eisner award. Besides, Michael Eisner has next-to-nothing to do with comics, and there have to be several other notable peopel with the last name "Eisner" that it could be confused for as well. Placing such a note just seems...frivolous. Perhaps an Eisner disambiguation page is in order? (Wait...there already is one. Well, never mind, then.) --FuriousFreddy 01:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC) == Flag of Finland == Hi! Image:Finland_flag_large.png I have seen that there has been some new Flags uploaded. I wonder if it should be so dark? I saw you were having a discussion on a user page about it. I think that it would be easier for others to following if the discussion was conducted on the talk page of the image: Image_talk:Finland_flag_large.png where I would be able to participate. I also want to draw your attention to the fact that the current flag is of more than 3,000 bytes, which is ten times larger than one earlier version. This may be irrelevant at first thought, but as all Finland-stub pages use the flag, it may be a considerable amount of pages that unnecessarily increase the server load by all visitors :-) All the best, --Fred-Chess 13:15, July 20, 2005 (UTC) : I do not know if you have noticed, but I wrote a reply on my user page. --Fred-Chess 14:45, July 25, 2005 (UTC) == Finland-Swedish map == Thank you for adding the very informative map of the distrubtion of Finland-Swedish to Swedish_language. I've been wanting one of those for quite a while now. Would you be interested in making similar maps for Finnish, Danish and perhaps Norwegian if I can find good info on the distribution of their respective dialects? Peter ^Isotalo 15:06, 25 July 2005 (UTC) == Thanks! == That was thoroughly unexpected! Thanks! Image:Smiley_icon.png Now, back to work getting additional accurate information in place on these articles... slambo 01:57, August 5, 2005 (UTC) == Flag of Finland == Hey there! Thanks for pointing this out; my error regarding the borderless flag. Please update. Moreover, I've been trying to clean up this and that from my user and other pages, and it is my page ... so I'll part with whatever I can. Merci! E Pluribus Anthony 21:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC) Merci ... thanks for your attention to this! So many updates, so little time ... E Pluribus Anthony 22:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC) == Cartoon_physics == No, no, no - the article isn't a spoof - it's an article '''about''' a spoof. Your three laws were very clever, but they aren't part of the ongoing culture (so to speak) of cartoon physics, so they don't belong in an encyclopedia article about the phenomenon. If you launch them into cyberspace elsewhere and they get widely taken up, then they might be part of it. But we also don't want it to degenerate into a long list of funny things that cartoons do, as the article is wont to do. - DavidWBrooks 16:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC) == Reverting vandalism == Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Changlc#Reverting_vandalism No problem, always happy to help. This appears to be the same guy who was vandalising the article last night. I've put up a notice on the Admin's noticeboard, so hopefully more people will be keeping an eye out. -Loren 07:14, 30 August 2005 (UTC) == girl == Glad to hear everything got sorted out ok. So what do you think of the image? I like it, but to me she looks more like a young woman than a girl... '''''Tasks you can do''''' 21:18, 31 August 2005 (UTC) Ok, for you (and only for you ;) I've changed my signature. Sam Spade 21:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC) Girl is the collaboration of the week! Please come grow this article... Mamawrites 03:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC) == Copyvio message box == I think your idea about the warning box is great. (I'm an artist myself, sometimes involved in intellectual property issues in my work.) I have one question for you: You said: ''"The notice should have a distinguishing class/id so that experienced users can suppress it."'' Can you explain "class/id" or point to a WP reference page - I fear I'm still a bit of a "WP noobie"... ;-) --Janke | Talk 15:11:09, 2005-09-02 (UTC) :Sorry if my allusion was cryptic. We badly need a help page on using CSS in Wikipedia, but I'm afraid I don't have time to write one this morning. Bovlb 15:20:34, 2005-09-02 (UTC) == Babel template protection == I have protected the templates for the English language, which indeed suffer from repeated vandalism. I have also added a note to the Talk page of en-4 to avoid any problems with the parties involved in the discussion. Cheers, --Sn0wflake 21:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC) == Re: Help with deletion == Done. slambo 10:30, September 8, 2005 (UTC) == girl -- table == I wish I knew how to put the contents box in the table! I could unsquash the lefthand cell a bit... I'll try that, and then let me know what you think? Mamawrites 06:28, 9 September 2005 (UTC) :Let me see if I can find instructions on how to put the contents box into the table. I'll do it as soon as I have finished the new section I'm editing now, on the girl in popular culture. (Perhaps with your background in animation, you can help internationalize the section more!) If I can't figure out how to put the contents box into the table, I will revert my changes to your original layout tomorrow, I promise. Mamawrites 06:42, 9 September 2005 (UTC) ::Thanks for that tip about __TOC__! That was exactly what I needed to put as an entry in the table I had been trying to create, with the TOC in column 1, one picture in column 2, and the second picture in column 3. Now I think it looks pretty good. Do you agree? ::I'm going to try to find a good space for the picture of the girl in the racecar. I do think that the contrast between the paper dolls picture and the racecar picture is useful. Mamawrites 22:14, 9 September 2005 (UTC) == It was a pleasure to work with you this week! == {{award2|WikiThanks.png|For your contributions to the CotW focusing on Girl in September, 2005, I, Mamawrites, award you, Janke, this '''THANK YOU'''.}} == Re: Requests == Took a quick look, protected untitled.* and picture.* as noted in the discussion. Looks like I was a little late to the party on the anonymous user as the last edit from that user is timestamped before the last warning (although it was a bit amusing to see that one of the anon's edits was a spelling correction on one of the earlier warnings). I'm a little hesitant to put a block on anons because of the way many DSL and cable providers use DHCP to assign IP addresses, and there's been discussion on WP:AN about anon blocks also affecting legitimate users, especially users on AOL. If he pops up again with similar behavior you might get a faster response on WP:ANI. slambo 13:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC) == RE: Walt Disney == Yes, it was harsh, but it's starting to get on my nerves. It's mostly just because they go unnoticed. --Lyght 07:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC) == RE: FH5+2 == Thank you for your note. I am a real fan of those talented guys, especially of the banjo players Harper Goff and Dick Roberts. I added some more informations to their pages too. VegavoxIV 14:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC) == RE: Welcome == Thank you, Janke (somehow that seems redundant) for your gracious welcome. I do hope to maintain my citizenship as a Wikipedian for some time. I am a long time user of the site and felt compelled to contribute. Whether I was motivated by vanity or duty is neither hither nor thither (I promise that is the last time I write the phrase "hither nor thither". Crap. OK, starting NOW). As to my response to Cels message, I tend to forget that deadpan deliveries do not translate to text. Nevertheless, I thank you for your mediation in the matter. --OGRastamon 05:50, 30 September 2005 (UTC) == Speedy speedy == I'm patrolling Special:Recentchanges, so I may have stumbled across the page at the same time you did. Thanks for the note! Joyous (talk) 16:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC) == Wikipedia:Naming_conventions == The naming convention actually states that where the name of something should be in title case (such as a museum name) then the article should be the same. This refers widespread to people, places, buildings, films, television programmes, etc etc etc. It's amazing how many people user lower case throughout though. -- Francs2000 Image:Uk_flag_large.png 21:25, 4 October 2005 (UTC) == Best Finnish film == I am not questioning that the film is considered the best in Finland. The problem is finding a good citation. The one that was there linked to a user's review in IMDb. This is too low of a bar for a citation. If that were the criteria, anyone could add virtually any film to the list, and the article would be useless. I have no problem with a citataion in Finnish (although English would be better.) Other speakers of Finnish could verify the citation. Any reputable cite that says it was selected in a poll of critics, a poll of audience members, or set some sort of record for the equivalent of the Oscar in Finland would be acceptable. Sorry for the hassle. -- Samuel Wantman 22:01, 6 October 2005 (UTC) Good question. I go both ways about reverts. There are problems with both methods. If you just ask, you can be ignored, or perhaps the person only checks in now and then. That means I have to keep tabs with what is questionable. Reverting works very efficiently but is harsh. I suspect the best approach is a revert with a good explanation on a talk page, but that takes quite a bit of time. I've also noticed that after having a few of my own edits reverted, I take more time to look at the history and discussions of articles to find out what will fly. In a perfect world, I'd write a long explanation on talk pages for each revert. But lately, I don't have enough time to do that. -- Samuel Wantman 09:23, 7 October 2005 (UTC) BTW, The citation still isn't quite right, so I'm going to ask you to fix it. It isn't enough to say it is "Considered the best Finnish film ever". It looks like the citation is some measure of box office (domestic?) If so, the article should say that it is "the highest grossing Finnish film in Finland" or whatever the measure is. It would be nice to have a citation that said "was picked by such-and-such group of Finnish film critics as the greatest Finnish film" and/or "was voted the greatest Finnish film by a poll of audience members in such-and-such publication", etc... The citation should match the prose. -- Samuel Wantman 09:36, 7 October 2005 (UTC) == Fuad Khan == Just wondering why you listed this for speedy deletion. It's a valid article (although somewhat short), he is a real person who serves as a minister in the ministry of health in Trinidad and Tobago. You gave no reason for why you listed for speedy deletion, and for the time being, I've removed the tag but will put it back in if you can give me a reason for why. bjelleklang 20:22, 15 October 2005 (UTC) :''I speedied it because it looked like this (garbled): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuad_Khan&oldid;=25604514 Someone else has fixed it, so it's OK now. Keep up the good work! --Janke | Talk 20:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)'' ::Ok, thanks for the quick reply! Just had to check. bjelleklang 20:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC) == GTAW == Actually Janke, I'm just good at pretending to be a expert on welding. I'm just a college student who took a course on welding once, checked out a bunch of welding textbooks from the library, and started writing big long wikipedia articles. As for practical experience, I don't have too much. That said, I'd be happy to entertain any questions, and maybe give useful answers, but I can't promise anything :). --Spangineer (háblame) 03:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC) :OK, just so you know I'm not ignoring you, I'll answer your second question. I'm not sure about the first one for now (the joining of dissimilar materials isn't something I've studied extensively), but I'll try to get back to you on that. As for welding pure copper, according to my references, 200 amps should do the trick, assuming you're using a DCEN polarity. Joint design shouldn't matter too much. --Spangineer (háblame) 02:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC) == Tutorial_system == I dont think that ones is actually non-notable enough for speedy, so I'm gonna suggest you take it to AfD. Cheers! Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 02:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC) == Saga_of_Shimizu == Same story on this one, it doesnt really fit in with the CSD criteria, so I think it will need to go to AfD. Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 02:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC) :Actually I did AfD this one, and the other one could probably go to. I don't think theyre notable, but they assert just enough notability to merit AfD, imo. Generally, with biographies for example, if the biography ''asserts'' notability, then it has to go to AfD. "Jimmy is awesome" is nn-bio, "Jimmy is the chess champion of New York" has to go to AfD. However, theres not so much of a same policy ''officially'' on articles, but the idea generally holds. If it makes ''any'' claim as to the notability of the subject, it should probably go to AfD, unless it clearly fits a CSD criteria. In the other article, I don't think it really does. However, if you should find a certain criteria you do think it fits, feel free to re-tag it. The ''best'' thing to do when doing RC patrol is to tag with a ''specific'' criteria, such as {{tl|db|A3}}, or something like that. The admins on CSD patrol will generally know the criteria really well, and immediately know if it fits that or not. Cheers! Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 06:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC) ::''* My philosophy is this (please tell me if I'm totally off my rocker here): When doing RC patrol, I use only speedy tags (sometimes specific, sometimes not), to get the attention of ''one'' admin (the one who happens to see the tag first). If that single admin (or even an ordinary user) thinks my tag is inappropriate, he/she will change it to something more suitable - and I won't object. Admin time consumed: 1 x 20 seconds. However, if I take something to AfD, we may have a situation where several over-worked admins will have to spend their time voting and explaining their reasoning. Admin time consumed: n x 60 seconds, n being... well, you get the idea! Thoughts? --Janke | Talk 06:42, 24 October 2005 (UTC)'' :Well, I think what would be the most helpful would be to try to tag things as accurately as possible. It does take a little time to get a sense of what is a CSD and what is an AfD, but it's generally better to err on the side of caution than not. If something is incorrectly tagged, then the admin has to take the time to fix that, and that is a bit time consuming. When on CSD patrol, it's nice to just be able to burn through them and knock them out, and the ones I can zip through are the ones that are correctly tagged, because then I can just go, yep, thats right, and *poof* it's gone, but the ones that are wrong take a little longer. The ones that are just the wrong CSD (people like to use "nonsense" for ''everything'') Aren't too bad, you can just delete them anyway and list the right reason, unless you have to be like me sometimes and go explain to the user why they mis-tagged the CSD. However the ones that should really be an AfD take longer. I think you have the right idea trying to get an admins attention with tagging it with ''something'', but why not go ahead and make sure it's tagged correctly? Don't be afraid to submit stuff to AfD, doing that will help you get a sense of what will and won't generally gain a consensus for deletion, and what should or shouldn't be a speedy. If you take something to AfD that should be CSD, people will generally know and comment that, and before long an admin will generally wander by and delete it and close it. It doesn't really take ''that'' long to close an AfD. Also, keep in mind that regular users as well as admins are allowed and encouraged to participate in AfD! Non-admins can even close certain debates with a clear consensus, the only thing limited to admins are closing delete debates and disputed debates. But anyway, thanks for the good work and keep it up! Ëvilphoenix ^Burn! 18:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC) == Disney's "fag" quote == Apocryphal it may be, but I did give a source for it (Schickel), and I'd appreciate it if you'd dig up a citation for those "other sources" who say Disney did appreciate his artists' interest in art forms other than animation. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC) :''Seen it in many places, found one quote by Disney in Bob Thomas' biography: "What young artists need is a school where they can learn a variety of skills, a place where there is cross-pollination". --Janke | Talk 18:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)'' ::Good. Put it in. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC) == Little Rock indian school == This article doesn't seem to meet the requirements for deletion; it's not a vanity article. Is just the fact that the entity is obscure worth removing the article? I call foul! (anon IP edit) :''I put a speedy tag on this because (correct me if I'm wrong), wiki policy is ''not'' to include schools, ''unless'' they are notable in some way. I did some RC patrol, and put on the tag - it's now removed. That's OK with me.'' --Janke | Talk 10:33, 19 November 2005 (UTC) == Microsoft_Management_Console == You tagged Microsoft_Management_Console for speedy deeltion as a copyvio. Pleaser note that {{tl|db-copyvio}} takes a parameter (url=) to sepcify the source URL. Please use this parameter in future. Note also that when taggign a copyvio for spedy deletion, you should notify the articel creator by using {{tl|nothanks-sd}}. Please do this when tagging speedy copyvios in future. -DES :The way to get the URL into the tag is to add a URL parameter. Suppoase I wanted to tag a page as copied from google's main page. I would enter '''{{db-copyvio|url=http://www.google.com}}''' Many templates, including this one, have a "usage" section on their talk pages which describes all the parameters and indicates how to use the tempalte. DES ^(talk) 16:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC) == Slow_Motion == When I realized I couldn't comfortably fit 48 frames into the diagram, I knew I had two choices, part of a second or a slower frame rate. In the end I think the people who might be confused by the diagrams are the same people who won't know the difference and between 24 and 10. So I feel its more important to show a whole second, since part of a second is equally confusing. Hopefully no one will read the article and then go adjust the frame rate on their SR3. Plowboylifestyle 18:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC) == Swedish name for Finland == Thank you for enlightening me! You're right - I should have read on! Cheers Monkey Tennis 12:40, 26 November 2005 (UTC) == Merge Grand Scale and Miniature railways == It makes a lot of sense to merge these. Please go ahead and take a first pass. I was intending adding to the Miniature Railways page in the next few days. I'd be very happy to work on a merged version. Gwernol 21:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)