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Contents 1 The Bell Jar 2 wcw 3 Danny DeVito's height 4 Anna Akhmatova 5 Dostoyevsky peer review 6 Pro-ana 7 Reversion discussion 8 Thx 9 Many apologies 10 Anna Akhmatova GA 11 Ledes 12 Dzerzhinsky 13 Deletion at Tom Stoppard 14 A quick note 15 Rebecca Hammond Lard 16 Dalton/Brosnan 17 Removal of cite. 18 "Dylan Thomas: Return Journey" 19 As a Welsh poet

The Bell Jar

Thanks for your consistent work on The Bell Jar over the years as well as monitoring its changes over the past few months after my students made their own contributions. Excellent point about the attribution of criticism; grades were docked accordingly (we did talk about NOR). So, thanks again. It's great to be able to have my students interact with other Wikipedians. Much obliged for your vigilance. Roseclearfield (talk) 15:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

wcw

• I have no blocks of free time to devote to Wikipedia now, and probably for the next few months. I am also committed to working on at least one Civil War article first, if it ever happens that I do have blocks of free time. After that, however, I have long had my eye on William Carlos Williams as a good candidate for major body work. If you ever see me hitting it hard, you are cordially invited to join in the fun. – Ling.Nut3 (talk) 12:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Lingnut. It could use it. Welcome back! Span (talk) 12:29, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Danny DeVito's height

Hi Spanglej,

I'm not a native speaker. Can you please explain to me how "short statured" is a euphemism and also make a suggestion how it can be phrased without using a euphemism? Not noting what Danny is known/remembered for (if he likes it or not) IMHO is a disservice to the readers of wikipedia. As is, the article gives a very incomplete picture by avoiding any mentioning of his physical appearance.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.243.7.168 (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Spanglej. Please check your e-mail – you've got mail!
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Anna Akhmatova

hello,

great work on Anna Akhmatova. I wonder if you think this article is ready for GAN or FAC? I would like to see her on the main page some day, and I am asking if you will work on it or not. The German version is worse than our's but is still a FA. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 08:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

There are some issues on its GAN page which I hope you can address: Talk:Anna Akhmatova/GA1. I fixed point 2 and from the references 11 and 17. Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 14:41, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, yes, I saw. I am trying to get to it - I have a lot on. Hopefully will address the points tonight. Span (talk) 14:43, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Dostoyevsky peer review

hello,

I invite you to join this peer review. Any help appreciated! Regards.--GoP_T^C_N 12:47, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Pro-ana

Hi there! I'm not sure why you reverted my edit on pro-ana. Much of Sozzani's speech was indeed about pro-ana, and she even mentions organizing an online petition to have pro-ana sites banned. —Nailbiter (talk) 11:31, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

My mistake. My apologies. Span (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Reversion discussion

You reverted a number of my additions to Category:Polyamorous people. I have reverted your reversion, and started a discussion at Category talk:Polyamorous people#Category and list. --Andrewaskew (talk) 01:22, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Thx

	The Kindness Barnstar
	Thanks for the encouragement! You do alot of great poetical work here too, especially with Akhmatova. I couldn't decide whether to give you a kitten or a barnstar, so I figured I'd just give you both! INeverCry 00:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the thought. Best wishes with your health. Span (talk) 00:37, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Many apologies

I am sorry about not following though sooner on the message you left me on Sunday. Life off wiki is a little hectic and I seem to keep winding up in little fires on wiki that need putting out. The IPs locating to Crawley (I have another persistent one that seems to be editing from all the computers in Burton-on-Trent) is a clear indication of an IP hopping problem. The new one does seem to be making some legit edits which may well be just to try and cover the bad ones. As I mentioned you might contact January (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) who blocked the previous IP for two weeks or, since we have enough warnings on its talk page, file an AIV report the next time they make a bad edit. Do mention the other IP as well if you file that report. Cheers and happy editing - whenever that can happen :-) MarnetteD | Talk 21:40, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I did mention it to January and am keeping an eye on things. Cheers. Span (talk) 21:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Anna Akhmatova GA

Congratulations! INeverCry 23:52, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Span (talk) 09:48, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Ledes

The empty brackets indicate that bio-data is missing, obviously. Which shouldn't be the case for a BLP. A bit of searching would probably find it if the the person is notable. But okay. As for nationality, no, the nationality of a person is important, part of en.wp not being geocentric on US and UK. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I've gone back and filled in the dobs and pobs as able, which is what I was intending. But thanks for your message. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Dzerzhinsky

The previous version of the article engages in unneeded editorializing by accusing the person of "torture and mass summary executions". The sources cited are not reliable, but include a self-published book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.232.252.124 (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I have continued the conversation on the talk page. Span (talk) 22:58, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Deletion at Tom Stoppard

Although the IP poster didn't give any edit summary (and I have reminded them about this), the deletion seems valid. The citation is still available online and the information about inspration from Nunn's staging of Summerfolk doesn't seem to be in it. I'd welcome a second pair of ears: start at about 25’ or just a little later. Meanwhile, I'm attaching a {{failed verification}} tag. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You were correct: I have now found it. Coast of Utopia comes up twice, and I was listening to the wrong one. I will identify the right point in the interview and let you know, by way of penance. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Span (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

35’ 20”. --Old Moonraker (talk) 21:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I've altered the text re the talk page discussion. Span (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

A quick note

Hi Span - Regarding your note here, this IP is being used by an indef blocked user - I know your intentions are good, but if they followed your advice and created an account it would be considered block evasion. If this editor ever chooses to be a constructive contributor they will need to request unblock from their main (indef blocked) account. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi JP. Some confusion here. The IP resumed editing today under that account, so I assumed the block had ended. Has the blocked lapsed? I can remove my message if not. Thanks Span (talk) 22:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The original IP block had lapsed, but I reset it as the same user obviously still has control of it. Your message on their talk actually helped as it allowed me to note they had resumed editing, but it should likely be removed as they really can't create a new account without running afoul of WP:SOCK. Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for the confusion. I have removed the message. Span (talk) 22:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

No apology necessary! All's well that ends well...--Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 22:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Rebecca Hammond Lard

SpangleJ, I think I'm with you on the edit, but will you please do me a favor and explain, briefly, on the talk page why you did it? It would be much appreciated. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

• I see now that there is a rather long history; I think both parties would benefit from your input/evaluation on the article talk page so the two might be more likely to communicate rather than fight. You are a seasoned editor, esp. in the field of poetry. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 00:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Done. Span (talk) 22:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

This is NOT a personal attack. YOUR EDITS disrespected an American. She WAS the first poet in Indiana and holds the title in the Book of Records. Your actions of disrespect of America and American history leads me to believe that your actions are personal and have an axe to grind with my culture, and I wish you to cease all your disrespectful edits! Thank you. --David Holmer (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Span, maybe that poet should be also placed here? But if you want some real culture, it seems you need to get yourself to Bolton. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw your comment at Poetry, I think this is more WP:OWN than nationalist feelings. NtheP (talk) 09:33, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Dalton/Brosnan

Hi Spanglej. I have reverted your edit with the requested citation. I'm currently working on a discussion article for the Timothy Dalton talk page about this issue. Although we both know Wikipedia prohibits original research in articles, I do think I have sufficient documentary primary sources to prove that the producers approached the actors in the following order: Neill->Brosnan->Dalton. The 15 May 1986 New York Post reported that EON had signed Brosnan. Bond producer Cubby Broccoli did not consider or meet Dalton until Dalton was performing The Taming of the Shrew at the Haymarket theatre (London). At this meeting Dalton mentioned he could not do the film unless it was pushed back to the fall due to his Brenda Starr commitment. (Source: Broccoli autobiography, pp.280-281.) The 1 September 1991 Los Angeles Times article reports that the production company producing Brenda Starr formed in May 1986 and production began in July 1986. Numerous newspapers and books report that The Taming of the Shrew with Dalton at the Haymarket began its eight week run starting June 1986. If you want to discuss this further please continue the discussion here on your talk page. Thank you. - Fanthrillers (talk) 19:28, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for add the cite. It might be worth adding this info to the article talk page as you have challenged a number of given sources. Brocolli's autobiography is a solid source, no doubt. Best wishes Span (talk) 19:33, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Removal of cite.

Yes, that is what I am proposing. I have given my reason on the article talk page. FruitMonkey (talk) 20:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"Dylan Thomas: Return Journey"

Hi Span, are we sure that the Bob Kingdom one-man stage show was non-notable? But looking at Anthony Hopkins' own article, it seems it was his film-directing debut. So were there two separate things? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've turned up a NYT review that will go to notability, even if they do slam the production. Span (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, a bad production might be particularly notable! I guess this [1] was the filmed version of that show. Kingdom looks quite like him there, doesn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

The Edinburgh Festival blurb says the production got international rave reviews. But I can't find hide nor hair of these online. The blurb in itself isn't RS enough. Yes, the picture looks a lot like him. Span (talk) 11:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I couldn't find them either! But here's a review of the film [2] and an imdb entry [3]. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

As a Welsh poet

Hi Spanglej. Just a quick note as why I think the mention of Aneirin Talfan Davies' discussion about Bardic traditions is important. As a stand-alone quote it probably isn't important, but as information regarding how important Thomas was as a Welsh poet I think it holds water. What I'm trying to add to this section is Thomas' connection to Wales, and his disowning of it. As we know, Thomas was a verbal manipulator, and would change his point of view on a whim, sometimes just to amuse himself. I don't want future editors coming in with the line "Thomas denied that he was a 'Welsh' poet", when we can build up a picture showing he was influenced and well versed in modern and ancient Welsh traditions. I think half of Thomas' quotes were just made of the cuff to either annoy people, or to make out that another writer or a critic had interpreted his work incorrectly. FruitMonkey (talk) 10:39, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure.

"Head of Programmes Wales at the BBC, Aneirin Talfan Davies, who commissioned several of Thomas' early radio talks, believed that the poet's "whole attitude is that of the medieval bards." Despite Thomas's claims that he knew nothing about Welsh bardic traditions, Davies stated that the two of them spoke several times on the subject."

I take your point, but with the current phrasing it sounds bit like synthesis. That is to say, that Davies formed an opinion based on a couple of chats. Just because Thomas spoke about bardic traditions, doesn't mean he knew much about them. I can talk for hours about the Pre-Cambrain era, it doesn't mean I know anything substantive. The section comes across as a bit pointy, as if we are making an editorial argument that Thomas must have been well versed in bardic lore. That is why I would either take out the last sentence (above) or rephrase. I would imagine other biogs explore this same terrain. I have to say, I think it's a little soon to put the article up for GA as much of the death section isn't properly ref'd and the poetry part needs a lot more adding. But I guess there's such a long backlog that it might take months before it's reviewed. Span (talk) 11:36, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Point taken, it just states spoke about. The GA thing is far too early, but I think that like you said the backlog is huge, plus I don't think the article is in so bad shape that it will be just rejected out of hand. I think a good GA editor would give pointers and give us time to address any issues. I have ordered three more books on Thomas, so I hope to get a more rounded view on many of the topics in the next week. FruitMonkey (talk) 13:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

I have now removed the offending sentence and found another view that counters. Hope you find that more valid. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 09:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks good. Span (talk) 09:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC)