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Nôm characters

I am sorry I cannot help you, since I do not have any basic knowledge about Nôm characters. To be frankly, according to some information I have, it is extremely difficult to learn Nôm characters, even harder to learn Hán characters, and somebody claims that people have to master the Hán before learning the Nôm (ironically, isn't it ?).

I believe you may ask Meotrangden (talk · contribs) on vi.wikipedia. His knowledge about many different languages may helps. Михаил Александрович Шолохов (thảo luận) 13:22, ngày 13 tháng 3 năm 2013 (UTC)

Any text in Chữ Nôm, unless we're talking about a few individual glyphs or very short passages, has to encompass chữ Nho (Hán). Truyện Kiều, or as a matter of fact any of the truyện Nôm (Phan Trần, Nhị độ mai, Thạch Sanh...) although written in Nôm, also includes a large number of chữ Nho since Vietnamese has incorporated a substantial of Sino-derived vocabulary. If we're speaking purely about linguistics/syntax then you're correct it is a Nôm text. If we consider the morphemic elements then it is Hán-Nôm. Taking the 1st lục-bát couplet that start the tale as an example, you will see:

𤾓 (Nôm: trăm) 𢆥 (Nôm: năm) 𥪞 (Nôm: trong) 𡎝 (Hán: quỹ, read as Nôm: cõi) 𠊛 (Nôm: người) 些 (Hán: ta, but used for Nôm phonemic value)

𡦂 (Nôm: chữ) 才 (Hán: tài) 𡦂 (Nôm: chữ) 命 (Hán: mệnh) 窖 (Hán: khiếu w/ Nôm phonemic value: khéo) 罗 (Hán: la, w/ Nôm phonemic value: là) 恄 (Nôm: ghét) 饒 (Hán: nhiêu w/ Nôm phonemic value: nhau)

So even this Nôm text, chữ Nho cannot be excluded as morphemes. However if we read the entire couplet, syntactically it is purely Vietnamese (ie Nôm) because non-Vietnamese speakers, even if they are extremely well-versed in classical Chinese cannot understand it at all! Not a single iota! I hope all of this makes sense w/o adding to the confusion. If you want a simplistic answer, then yes, Truyện Kiều is a Nôm text. Duyet-pho (talk) 06:22, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

AFD comments on Churches.

You've stated that the two churches in question have been covered in books. When I have googled them I see one book only, would you mind providing me the books you are talking about so I can review the sources? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:07, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

There are 8 in the AfD cluster. I added book sources to 7 of them. 1 is too new, 1988 In ictu oculi (talk) 05:11, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

with love

Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 14:23, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Tracy Ackerman

Thanks, but I do not know what a tech move is. When I tried to move the page, I was prevented from doing so.Hoops gza (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hello

First of all, I wonder do you have any Vietnamese blood in you? Like 1 Viet parent or grandparent or something? Why do you have such an immense interest in Vietnam? Have you been to Vietnam? If not then, one day if you ever come to Vietnam in the summer at Ho Chi Minh city (I currently live in a different country than Vietnam but I do come back every summer to visit), I will make sure to invite you to my house and show you around. Anyway I remember there was a big argument about whether or not Vietnamese words need accent. I can show you a great example how missing an accent can lead to great confusing. You can initiate the discussion again and I hope all the names should have the accents on. That's the sign with respect to write someone name correctly in their native language. Most Vietnamese would agree with me.

OK, let say the word "ma" with no accent. With accents, it can be 5 different words that have very distinct meanings. ma, má, mạ, mả, mà and mã, this one doesn't mean anything if it stands alone. So if there is no accent then how can you ever separate all those words into different articles? The no accent word is useful when it became a disambiguation page then from there you can look for the correct word with correspond accent. Regard!Pendragon5 (talk) 22:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I meant 5 different words that have very distinct meanings but wrote 3 by accident.Pendragon5 (talk) 04:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Welcome for your Barnstar

Welcome for the Barnstar.Best wishes to you.

Mahitgar (talk) 07:15, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Bahraini music

Hey man. No, the drama hasn't subsided unfortunately - some people never give up. Regardless, I will do what I can. I have been to Bahrain many times and have friends there. It's a small island and while I don't know it's music scene now, it isn't difficult to learn. There are so few Bahrainis that they really do either know each other or have ways of knowing each other. I will check there, in addition to Arabic Wikipedia if need be and get back to those concerned on the talk page for that dude. MezzoMezzo (talk) 20:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

I will seriously give you a $50 Amazon gift certificate if you start archiving your talk page. I mean, come on. MezzoMezzo (talk) 09:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Fundillo Loco

This is the Fundillo Loco press and for "Torito", couldn't find in the archive of the local newspaper beacuse the song was the official song of theCarnival of Barranquilla.

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Jan z Jani

For You information, I have forwarded issue of spelling to Dispute resolution notice board. Best regards, camdan (talk) 17:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Seoul Subway

User:Frysun has changed the title of the Seoul Metropolitan Subway article once again to call it a "railway", ignoring previous consensus and this should be reverted back. We're in the process of gaining consensus again (for which it already existed) and it would be helpful if you can join the discussion. Thank you. Camins (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Your archives

I think you need to correct your archive box: [[/Archive 2012|2013]] should be [[/Archive 2013|2013]]; and I guess [[/Archive 2012|2014]] should be [[/Archive 2014|2014]] (red link). Sorry for bothering you. -- -- -- 21:08, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

N Not done. Archive 2013 still links to Archive 2012. -- -- -- 20:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

AfD

Hey man, I'm pretty sure I found a clear candidate for AfD while Wikisurfing this morning. I stumbled upon YaNabi.com and cut out a lot of material which has been unsourced for about four years. Other stuff was sourced with the actual website itself though improperly, and then there was a citation for the BBC because the site's comments were mentioned in one sentence; the citation was for a blanket copy paste from the BBC article. The only remaining source is Alexa, which I didn't remove because I'm not sure if it's RS or not.

I noticed the tags said that the article's creator may be close to the subject, so I checked the history and found it was created by User:Shabiha, whom you might remember from the previous "drama." I'm not sure how to handle this, but it seems like a clear issue of WP:ADVERT; I ran a search and all I could find on this site were quotes from Wordpress blogs. Given that the author also uploaded the picture from one of the websites youth meetings, I have the strong feeling that this is just an attempt at promoting the site; it seems to have no notability, and if you check the talk page you'll see that others were bringing that up about three years ago. Should I go ahead with it, or could you go ahead and nominate it, or is there another way to handle this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, how are you doing? Well it has two Google Book refs which I added, it would seem likely that it must have therefore got a couple of mentions in the Arabic press? Is the link dead? Then is there any story about where it moved/why it closed. Given the systematic bias problems of en.wp towards Arabic/Islamic subjects, I would have said a move upwards to a wider umbrella title Islamic online forums would have been more useful to en.wp than simply delete. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

If you prefer I raise it with User:Shabiha as more neutral I'd do that. But would you mind doing an Arabic ref search first, it' be easier for you. Btw, re those 3 Bahraini musicians, can you take a guess at the correct Arabic spelling and we can at least (bracket) their names. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

There's nothing to be found in Arabic; YaNabi is an English website but it's users all 90% Pakistani and 10% British; it's based off an Islamic movement specific to Pakistani culture. The movement itself, Barelvi, has a rather short article on Arabic Wikipedia but I can guarantee that Arabs have never heard of the site. Re: the Bahrainis, I need to bust out the Arabic keyboard. I'm going to go to 7-11 and then come back in a few minutes and see what I can find. MezzoMezzo (talk) 15:11, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have realised it was Urdu. yanabi آن لائن does turn up a few things, but I can't be bothered to check them. I'll drop a message to User:Shabiha. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright, perhaps there is something in another language; the two sources you provided now also seem to merely mention the site in passing. It establishes that the site exists, though I would argue that it still doesn't establish notability if that's all we can find. MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Arab music

Regarding the red links, Salem el'Allan appears to be Salem Al-Allan who doesn't appear to be much reported on in English aside from this. Al-'Amiri might refer to Abdul Aziz al-Amiri but he was Sudani, not Bahraini. I couldn't find anything on Ahmad Bou Tabanja, which is a really common name - every third male person in Bahrain is named Ahmed. For al-Amiri by the way, there isn't much other than Youtube videos and some stuff on forums. Hs name is also really, really common so if you search in English I don't think you'll ever find what you need. At least in the case of the first and third person, though, they seem to be real and were famous at least in the region. What else did you need to know about them specifically? MezzoMezzo (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Basically was just attempting to interwiki Poul Rovsing Olsen redlinks to ar.wp, but evidently the three artists don't have ar.wp entries. I will tidy up based on what you've said. Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Youtie

Hi In ictu oculi, I just saw that you've created an article about Louise Youtie! That's been on my to-do list for a while. I wonder, are you a papyrologist?  davidiad { t } 11:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I have been trying to figure In ictu out for long... to no avail. He knows so many things, about so many subjects, in so much detail, it is impossible to box him into a single category. Pretty interesting fellow really... History2007 (talk) 16:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yep, same here. I even tried to ask him a question on email, but got no reply. In any case, I figured out he knows so much about so many things I know nothing about, that I just gave up figuring it out a while ago already... All the stuff that goes through here, whenever I can understand even a little fraction of it, is still pretty interesting though. I wish him health and happiness, so he can continue doing his stuff here. warshy^talk 16:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

On top of that, he is not arrogant about it... History2007 (talk) 16:59, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi IIO. Thanks for the message. I replied to you on my page, if it is OK. Regards, warshy^talk 23:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Koroška Statistical Region

I had an edit conflict at Talk:Koroška Statistical Region. Maybe you like to read my comment and oppose voting there. JelgavaLV (talk) 14:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Nazarenes

I regret that I am not in a position to "brush up" on my French in any real sense. Other than a few obscenities, which I really hope aren't included in the articles in question, and some food-related terms, which I can't imagine being relevant to the articles in question, I actually know little if any. Are there any particular problems you've seen with them? If yes, please feel free to indicate them, either on my talk page or through e-mail, if you prefer, and I can at least try to find what I can in the recent English language sources, including those on the subscription databanks I have available. John Carter (talk) 18:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Remember James Hervey Johnson?

You wrote it, and it's being rewritten by someone who seems to have good intentions but poor wiki skills. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Kalki Bhagavan

Thanks. Sure, I'm happy to go along with a 'Keep', however my reasoning would be that a good part of VK/KB's notability is due to his coverage by the Indian press/media which, it has to be said, is usually of a critical nature. His other main appearances seem to be in tabloid/gossip columns as a faddish 'guru' to various Bollywood stars. To your point, I would suggest that most main Indian news outlets meet relevant BLP criteria (in particular, both The Hindu and The Statesman are heavyweight publications that began publishing over 100 years ago). If any action had been taken regarding any particular article, they would have published apologies/retractions etc. There is no indication in their archives of any such action. MatthewTStone (talk) 06:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding edits marked BLPPRIMARY and BLPREMOVE

Thank you for coming in as a 3rd editor into this article Kalki Bhagavan. Regarding the edit on death of 2 inmates. I had marked this edit [[1]] as WP:BLPPRIMARY WP:BLPREMOVE and removed it. Noticed you undid my edit

The issues with the original entry are: The editor MathewTStone failed to include key information that police record mention that the 2 people had died due to traffic accident. The editor MatheTStone only mention that "In 2010, two inmates of Kalki Bhagavan's ashram were found dead in suspicious circumstances, and local villagers staged an agitation" . Based on the editor MathewTStone track record, it seems the intent was only to attack and cause harm to the subject of this article. Also, "Asian Tribune" is an online newspaper and only aggregated this story. There are no primary source for this article.

This WP entry is a serious allegation and not be included without clear source and edit. Request removal to meet WP:BLP Thanks for your attention Prodigyhk (talk) 11:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

When I restored Matthew's edit I added the link to the newspaper article, and expressly added the section clarifying a motorcycle accident. I do not see a BLP issue with that source, story, or the way it is now in the text. However I will add the Talk page of this BLP to my watchlist and any further comments on the Talk page there I will see. Best wishes. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The article is not found in the primary source "Deccan Chronicle" nor found in any other Indian newspaper. It is most probably a case of wrong reporting by "Asian Tribune"(an online newspaper not even based in Asia :-D ). With your entry on WP, we will be giving credibility to a wrong story. Request removal. If need to include, request include authentic valid sources. Thanks Prodigyhk (talk) 12:12, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay let's address this on Talk page. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello "clauso oculo" :-P have updated talk page and controversy section. Do check. cheers Prodigyhk (talk) 06:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

That would mean [one] "eye closed", the plural is clausis oculis. But I'll look. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

what is this with your love for Latin ? Seem you could be a catholic priest :)

Have response on the article's talk page. When you have time drop in and put in your comments Prodigyhk (talk) 03:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Tamil BLPs

@In: My Telugu is very very basic. Just useful to find directions when lost :) I can help you with Tamil translation if that is something you like help on. Prodigyhk (talk) 12:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, there are very frequently Tamil BLPs which have source problems. Next time I see one, I'll drop a note. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Thangal Uppapa?

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How?

How on earth do you manage to cover such a huge range of subjects, not to mention languages? Look up Mikelangelo and the Black Sea Gentlemen on the web - they remind me of you. PiCo (talk) 08:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

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Heh

"Other statements supporting Gerald O' Collins statement should be added." Yes, that´s EXACTLY what Dr Muhammad Ali wants. Anyway, Glad Påsk! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Belated reply

Hi, sorry for not replying to your questions on my talk page, but I have been away from Wikipedia since 9 March, and only logged on for the first time this morning. Although I have been associated with SOAS since 1983, and still occasionally visit the library, I haven't been on the staff there since 1998 so I'm afraid that I can't answer the questions about SEA studies or Vietnamese at SOAS. BabelStone (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

António Luís Gomes

He was dean at the University of Coimbra, and worked as a minister for the First Republic. He was one of the most critical individuals of the monarchy during and after the British ultimatum. He was the first president of the AAC, and was a law student. There are many awards and conventions at the UC named after him, as well as in Porto. I can't find much online, but you ought to check this [2] or the Portuguese language article. Tibullus (talk) 13:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks and a request

Thanks for your Barnstar to me on 15th March 2013. Actually I am currently looking for some copy edit support in recent fresh article legal awareness. Any contributory support to the article is welcome.

Mahitgar (talk) 11:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

with deep feelings... :-) Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi friend, I did not find anything about "Crucifixion by an Eye-Witness" on Wikipedia? what is its status ? anything about it? Dr Muhammad Ali (talk) 05:33, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Lalo Ríos

Hello. I've seen that did you put some references to the article that I published about the Lalo Rios actor. The references listed appear to have more information about this actor that the that I've been able to get in internet (he emigrated with his parents to the two years ...). I think it might be interesting to incorporate new information in the article, in order to give a better insight into his biography. More information you do can provide if you want. Thank you.--Isinbill (talk) 12:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. If you help me in the article, thanks in advance.--Isinbill (talk) 02:28, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry, that link in the talkback was broken, it should be working now. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I think this guy needs some help

An IP nominated Faraaz Kazi for deletion, but the template links to the deletion discussion for some Bauhaus song. Not making this up. As an aside I actually feel Kazi is notable given some sources, if barely making it past the mark. But I'm not sure how to engage in discussion because I didn't nominate it and I suspect that the IP who did might not know how to do so properly. How should I approach this? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

If that's the case, then do we just leave the AfD template there until an admin removes it? Technically we're not supposed to remove it until the discussion is completed, but in this case I don't think the discussion will even take place. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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WP:SET and LittleBenW

in reply to
Hi there,

Thanks for the heads-up. My position on this hasn't really changed: I think that WP:SET is a unilateral attempt to introduce systemic bias into Wikipedia. By hiding behind algorithmic results, it purports to deliver objectivity, while encoding the designer's own biases in the code which is used. The constant references to Lech Walesa and Facundo Arguello (however spelled) show that it is a vehicle for the continuing culture-wars of the anti-diacritics mob. LittleBenW has on several occasions declined to engage in any discussion which allows for the possibility that his preferred search terms introduce systemic bias. I regard his addition of this POV-pushing template into WP:IRS as (yet another) violation of his topic ban on diacritics.

And for absolute clarity: I still consider that it is insane to claim that a source in a subject's native language (written or approved by the subject, often) is intrinsically less reliable than one written in the language of this Wikipedia, and of LittleBenW. If the Icelandic PM does not spell her own patronymic with two 'd's, nor should we. LittleBenW's absurd crusade seeks to institutionalise the reverse position.

I don't know what should be done; I feel like I've spent long enough at WP:ANI on this topic already, but if another case is opened there, I'm happy to weigh in. Please let me know your thoughts on this subject.

Many thanks,

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GE peer review for FAC

Greetings. I'm going to tag the Gospel of the Ebionites article for a second peer review in about a week. I have the names of a few editors with the technical expertise to prepare articles for FAC. Unfortunately, no one I contacted knows any reviewers with the necessary technical skills and also a familiarity with the religion category. Can you come up with a short list of independent editors we might contact to evaluate the content? They should be outside the usual circle of editors we run into because this is supposed to be an external review. Of course, once the tag is placed anyone can participate. Ignocrates (talk) 03:52, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The GE peer review for FAC is now open. Ignocrates (talk) 18:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

One more thing, would you be willing to help out in the final stages of getting the Gospel of the Hebrews article ready for first peer review? I am a few weeks away from completing all the remaining sections, but I thought this would be an opportune time to ask you. PiCo has offered to help out with the final editing, but I need your expertise to help with the content. I thought between the three of us we could do an internal review to polish it up for GAC. I already have external editors willing to volunteer to do the peer review and GAC. Let me know. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 04:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the additional inputs in Church of St Mary of the Angels. Though I was stuck with my official work, the effort from you saved the page. Cheers Jean Julius Vernal 10:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

New Page...

Hi in Ictu Oculi, I have created my very First Article on Wikipedia ! Dr Paul C. Pappas.(I wonder if it stays or goes down the Recycle Bin !) hahaha.ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

He's probably only borderline notable, but I've added a ref and formatted it. Ideally for a BLP you need to find date of birth. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for such a quick response, really in the blink of an eye' I will search for bio details...ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Moving articles to add acute accents

Hello In ictu oculi. About your recent request at WP:RM/TR. While I can certainly move these articles for you, in the last four cases the target names were unoccupied. If I'm not mistaken that means you could move them yourself. Unless you just want a second person to confirm that the move is OK? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Please note that I declined the technical moves on Eric Tappy and Etienne Wenger. Anthony has created move discussions for them. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 13:36, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:MOSBIO

Do you mean WP:OPENPARA? That is not new, it has been there for as long as I can remember. GiantSnowman 09:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

I signalled my edit as 'BOLD' purely because I view almost any edit to a MOS page as bold, even if (as in my case) it is to try and clarify something which is already there. Your articles are not "illegal", they simply do not meet MOS 100% - but, unfortunately, not many articles do! GiantSnowman 09:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

If you remove it then it will make things less clear, how is that improving the encyclopedia? Consensus at a MOS talk page can hardly be considered LOCALCONSENSUS, and I'm not sure why you have brought sports articles into it? Is this just a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT? GiantSnowman 09:37, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Traditional encyclopedic style is all well and good - and I'm speaking as someone who had to write traditional encyclopedic biographical entries as part of my University course - but this is not a traditional encyclopedia, and there are therefore going to be differences. I am unsure when WP:OPENPARA was first introduced, you'll have to trawl through the history, but I am certain it has been there a number of years, and no doubt added with good reason and due to consensus. There was a recent discussion at WT:MOSBIO (which we both contributed to), which finished with no consensus to remove it, and in fact plenty of support for it. Therefore it should remain. Finally, MOSBIO is intended to apply to all biographies, regardless of whether they are athletes or classical musicians or anything else. Please abide by it, even if you don't like it. GiantSnowman 10:09, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and I said " I am unsure when WP:OPENPARA was first introduced, you'll have to trawl through the history, but I am certain it has been there a number of years, and no doubt added with good reason and due to consensus." However, there has been no mention of including places of birth/death since at least January 2008. GiantSnowman 10:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

But there is a rule against places now, so that's what you should abide by. You want to know when OPENPARA was introduced? Look through the history, I don't have time/reason to do so myself. My January 2008 is a list of what should be included - as place is not mentioned, it is extremely logical to say that place should not be included. Ignorance of the MOS is no excuse for flouting it once you have been informed, and just because many other editors are not aware does not mean you should continue to edit in that manner. GiantSnowman 10:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

No, you need to start a RFC is you want to change long-established MOS. No idea where your figure of 20-30% of bios that follow your 'correct' format comes from, but it could be 99% and it wouldn't make a single bit of difference. The format of those articles are wrong,l and the format of your articles is wrong. GiantSnowman 14:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Further - my edit did not change the MOS, it simply made it clearer. You also won't find a single featured biography that uses your method. GiantSnowman 14:36, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

As advised by GD below, this is better discussed at WT:MOSBIO, rather than leaving quasi-cryptic messages at my talk page. GiantSnowman 15:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Gentlemen, this is best discussed at the MoS-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 14:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

IIO, I know you're upset right now, concerning the MOS-in-question. But, that's no reason for this post, at my talkpage. I like to think you're better then that. GoodDay (talk) 15:22, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ If anyone chances on this above, Mark L. Knapp, Anita L. Vangelisti Interpersonal communication and human relationships 2005 Page 280 might be a good place to start. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Eye my wording?

Hello old buddy.

Would you care to take a look at the note I added 2008–09 ISU Speed Skating World Cup#Calendar to see if it makes sense (=good English)?

You wouldn't happen to know how notes are added? I mean, those that look like [Nb 1]. I'm not referring to ordinary < ref > references. I can't find any examples right now.

Thanks for your input,

HandsomeFella (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) See WP:REFGROUP for instructions, and a convenient markup example. --BDD (talk) 19:52, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hey man, I could use some advice regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hindu Taliban (3rd nomination). The nominator along with some who support the deletion and some who oppose it are now getting into some back and forth exchanges on the discussion with those who hold an opposing view. Now, one of the commenters dropped an F-bomb casually. I don't really care about the outcome, I voted for keep but I won't lose sleep if it's deleted, but what concerns me is that I can see this discussion becoming unfruitful and uncivil really fast. Considering that this is the article's third nomination - the first two basically ended with keep because those arguing for deletion had some funny business going on and then no consensus for similar bickering - I worry that there might not be a consensus again, which not only would mean everyone wasted their time but it could go to a fourth nomination (which could still boil down into an argument rather than discussion). What do you think ought to be done? Is there a way I can request an admin to try and moderate and tone down the discussion a bit? The back and forth arguing especially seems likely to lead to a no consensus ending again. MezzoMezzo (talk) 11:37, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps, my main issue isn't the outcome. What I'm concerned about is the nature of the discussion; I can see it ending with no consensus again. Although I would still vote for keep, I think delete would still be better than another no consensus vote. Do you think the arguing (especially the cussing) warrants higher attention, or should things just be left to run their course? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:24, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Friend, you know with your kind help I had placed an article Henry Martyn Clark. Now I received a message, that [3]. Will "they" delete this important article? Regards.

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Hi friend, Somebody has come with the message "file:Henry Martyn Clark.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.103 (talk)" ; if they delete the Picture from the article will loose its beauty. Please help stop them. The person died in 1916, the website says, freely download ... Regards.ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 02:30, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Montague William Douglas

Hi friend, I placed an article about M W Douglas. It has been tagged for deletion. Will you help? --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 03:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thank you. But how did you contest the 'threat' within minutes and pacified the 'Police' ? regards. --ڈاکٹر محمد علی (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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A more detailed reason is needed for your oppose, as the article was moved despite the majority being oppose.  — AARON • ^TALK 15:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding. It annoyed me how many of us opposed and it had no effect.  — AARON • ^TALK 18:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Ibn Babuyeh

According to this disambiguation page, there is an Arabic article for the father (here) which is oddly not included as a link on his English page. There does not appear to be an Arabic article for the son, per the red link on the disambig page. This isn't surprising, as there are few editors on Arabic Wikipedia - in my own experience - who take interest in Shi'ism, unfortunately. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, many thanks for looking, the possible lack of Shiite material occured to me when I couldn't find it. I noted that the article on the father was pretty brief too - but I thought it was Wikidata-ed? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I thought that Wiki-data-ing is automatic, though perhaps it takes some time. In general, you will find more material on Shi'ite-related subjects on Farsi Wikipedia (not really surprising). MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Somehow wikidata didn't pick up the en.wp link and created two entries, anyway I fixed it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

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Great Church

I will take a look, but may take a day or two. Which gap was it trying to fill? The Rahner source you have used is actually the source I would have used - perhaps the best one one could find. That would be good to know beforehand. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 08:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Mainly filling a gap in relation to the more recent use per Schneemelcher and co. But the old catholic use is probably more notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

The scope of the use of the term has certainly changed over time. As usual the term came to use first, then everyone and his brother claimed ownership of it. As Stockmeier said, it originally referred to the expansion up to 313, the edict, etc. And then there were the "great church councils" of course. Then both east and west claimed it, as usual. I added the ref to Irvin and Sunquist whose chapter "Great Church Emerges" refers to Origen etc. and traces the concept. I will try to add some more from that within the next week little by little, but please feel free to expand after Origen's use, etc. History2007 (talk) 18:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Anyway, I added material from a few sources, expanded on Irenaeus, the expansion during the great Church epoch, etc. I think that clarifies the origins, growth path etc. Let me know if anything more is needed. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 18:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Coberg

I discovered a discovery: composer Coberg and his work, lost for 300 years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:15, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Stubbed: Johann Anton Coberg. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:35, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:All_I_Ever_Wanted_(Kelly_Clarkson_song)#Requested_move

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Cantonese transliteration

Titles in Cantonese transliteration should not resemble pinyin. "touhou zigei" looks like a pinyin to me, so avoid that. A transliteration of Cantonese must look and sound great. --George Ho (talk) 04:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

tou hou zi gei still resembles a pinyin, regardless of how Yale does. --George Ho (talk) 05:01, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I understand your point, actually that was Jyutping, then let's use Yale Tou hou ji gei. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:03, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Yale looks fine for now. --George Ho (talk) 05:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)