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June 9

About wrong content in article relating to Hindu temple

Sir,

This is the executive officer of Shri Garbarakshambigai temple, Thirukarukavur, Tamil Nadu, a state government appointed officer to manage the temple. An article has been created by Shri. Ssriram-mt about this temple in the title 'Garbharakshambigai_temple'. The content regarding the 'Legend' has been misrepresented which may confuse the readers. We need it to be removed or edited. The original content can be seen from our website www.garbaratchambigaitemple.org. Thanks. Need your co-operation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EO, temple (talk • contribs) 03:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

This is the wrong place to bring up the problem, but anyway I have edited the article and responded to you on the article's talk page. Any further discussion should happen there. Looie496 (talk) 06:15, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Any material related to Saturn's Cube and Hyper-dimensional Cubes?

I need help with materials related to the planet Saturn, specifically about

1.) the supposition that it was a dwarf star before that cooled into a planet;

2.) the alleged effects of this planet on our planet's electromagnetic dynamics;

3.) the mention of the Saturn's cube on various ancient and medieval texts, both Western and Eastern;

4.) the association of the planet with the deity named after it and to the deities El, YHVH, El Alilah, Allah, Cronus, Baal, Moloch etc.;

5.) the alleged control of this planet on the wave or atomic spins of matter within our solar system, thus governing "time" as we humans understand and perceive it in our dimension.

Thank you. Hotridge (talk) 06:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

This search reveals some material on Saturn's Cube and related matters. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 06:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Wow - thanks Jack! That's a whole universe of paranoid mystical hogwash that I knew nothing about. *files it away for use in a Delta Green campaign* AlexTiefling (talk) 10:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Just doing what the OP ought to have done - searched for the thing he wanted to know about. I just reported what my search revealed. He did thank me privately, indicating he needed material more suitable for references. I told him it was a starting point. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

1) Saturn's mass is way too low for it ever to have been a 'dwarf star' in any meaningful sense.

2) Saturn is too remote from Earth to have any significant electromagnetic effect on it; who alleges otherwise?

4) It's very hard to know what you mean by 'etc' here, since the deities you list are not analogous - indeed, El and Baal are quite different. And I'd be very interested to see any reliable sources associating the planet Saturn with YHWH/Allah. The planet is, of course, named after the deity, not the other way round.

5) This looks like complete pseudoscientific garbage. Again, who alleges such a thing? AlexTiefling (talk) 10:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

There are allegations that it must have been a star. Recently, its behavior approaches those of a supernova, sending shockwaves across space. And no, it isn't so distant to have any significant effects on our planet. ( NASA's Cassini spacecraft has spotted solar particles moving at incredible speeds near Saturn, giving scientists a rare up-close look at phenomena that occur during dramatic star explosions. The particles flowed from the sun during a strong blast of solar wind, then plowed into Saturn's magnetic field shortly thereafter. This encounter, which Cassini observed in February 2007, created a shockwave that accelerated the particles to super-high energies, scientists said. Similar shockwaves commonly form in the aftermath of massive star explosions called supernovas, ramping up nearby particles to nearly the speed of light. Researchers think supernova shockwaves are the primary source of cosmic rays, high-energy particles that pervade our Milky Way galaxy and slam into Earth's atmosphere continuously. [source: http://www.space.com/19879-saturn-particle-accelerator-cassini-nasa.html]...and besides, isn't it a general assumption that all planets including Earth were once part of a giant solar-nebula that perhaps collided with mini-clouds of hot plasma otherwise known as a supernova that later cooled into slow-moving particles called as material solids and liquids which are the sensible parts of what a "planet" is?

On point #4, "Their names were put down therein, as Adonai, genius of the Sun, lao of the Moon, Eloi of Jupiter. Sabao of Mars, Orai of Venus, Astaphai of Mercury, and Ildabaoth of Saturn." (source: "The Gnostics and their remains : ancient and mediaeval" Charles W. King/ C. W. KING, MA., 1887, http://archive.org/stream/gnosticsandtheir00kinguoft/gnosticsandtheir00kinguoft_djvu.txt)

"The planet is, of course, named after the deity, not the other way round." Or it could be that the deities are merely metaphors for the name of the planet it personifies. That isn't very clear yet. Is the deity separate from the planet or are they related in any way?

Hotridge (talk) 17:08, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

• Sounds like something out of Immanuel Velikovsky or one of his followers. He was popular back in the '70's, when weed was stronger and people hadn't learned to tolerate its effects. μηδείς (talk) 16:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. He has written indeed some books related to the subject of this inquiry. Regarding Velikovsky, he wrote (or published) the book "Worlds in Collision" in the year 1950; the book "Cosmos Without Gravitation" in 1946. It would rather be unethical and highly-speculative of me to suppose that the author was under the influence of some mentally-distorting herb when he wrote these books that may discredit his thesis or the factuality of any accounts he have may have personally written about the subject from the early 1940's till the early 80's.

By the same token, since E and Meth have been rather popular in the last two decades, it's rather laughable to suppose (in the future) that all accounts published within the same time period (and perhaps until now) are byproducts of psycho-active, drug-induced exaggerations and suppositions. (Concerning psycho-active substances, we're not yet sure if these supposed herbs/extracts do indeed create cognitive aberrations that result in blatant misrepresentation of facts or in the publishing of books that are contrary to all known measures of validity. That has been a trend these days, to allege that accounts outside the confines of "orthodox" "science" is a byproduct of "crackpottery" which is in itself a very unscientific and unfounded "belief.")

When we are after the truth and facts, quick dismissal of informative resources are suspect of initial bias, and in a free and open encyclopedia like the Wikipedia or in the realm of pure scientific inquiry, such character can be very unproductive or malignantly unobjective.Hotridge (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Getting from Tallinn harbour to Tallinn bus station in one hour

I'm going to a photography workshop in Kuressaare, Saaremaa, Estonia, in late July. To get there, I would have to take the 13:00 bus from Tallinn bus station. MS Finlandia from Eckerö Line arrives at Tallinn harbour at 11:45. This leaves me about one hour to get to the bus station. Is this enough time? Should I take a taxi? JIP | Talk 17:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

See http://www.experttravelanswers.com.

—Wavelength (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I submitted a question there but it isn't showing up at "Recent questions". How do I know if the question has been submitted? JIP | Talk 19:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I do not know. I searched 20 blocks of 10 questions each, without finding any question about Tallinn.

—Wavelength (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Keeping it in the family, you could also try Wikivoyage:Tourist_Office. Rojomoke (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

At Google Maps, "Get directions" shows a route of 5.0 kilometers with an estimated travel time of 10 minutes. "This route has restricted usage or private roads."

—Wavelength (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

See http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/8340/from-tallinn-harbour-to-the-main-bus-station.

—Wavelength (talk) 23:20, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

According to this page, it's only a 25-minute trip if I take bus #2 from Reisisadam to Autobussijaam. JIP | Talk 04:48, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

This seems to be sorted out. I just received news that some friends of mine are going on a cruise from Helsinki to Tallinn just two days before. So I decided to join the cruise, but after embarking on Tallinn, I'm not going back on the cruise. Instead, I'm staying in Tallinn for the whole day, and going to Kuressaare and then back to Finland on my own. This leaves me enough time to get to Kuressaare at my leisure, and even explore Tallinn in between. The only downside is that it is going to cost me about 60 € more. JIP | Talk 16:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

June 10

Map of NHS hospitals in England

Hi. I'm looking for a map or maps showing the locations of NHS (ie not private) hospital Trusts in England. A separate map for London/the home counties would be useful, too. Any help gratefully received. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 08:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Not a map as such, but NHS Choices web site has an A-Z list of NHS hospital trusts (a.k.a. "acute trusts") in England. Note that each trust may be responsible for several hospitals, as well as local clinics and health centres. The "Services near you" tab allows you to search for hospitals and other NHS services by location, and can display search results as a map. Gandalf61 (talk) 09:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but I really want to know nationwide locations, and a map is going to be best. It's for research, rather than looking for a hospital as a patient. Yes, it's the location of acute Trust HQ I'm ideally after, which is usually the largest hospital in the group, but I don't mind if it's simply a map or maps of every hospital. --Dweller (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

How about this: [1]? It's to track patients on a waiting list, but since it includes institutions that have zero on a wait list, I think it might be a comprehensive map of all trusts? 184.147.118.213 (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

That's terrific, thank you. Really helpful! --Dweller (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Great to hear it helps! You're most welcome. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 21:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Long runway

The other night I was taken along by a group of teenagers I'm connected with to see Fast and Furious 6. Now, I don't look for total credibility in such films, but one scene had me just a little concerned. A chase scene on an airport runway with a Russian transport plane took a very long time. Somebody on the IMDB page for the movie has done the research and calculations, and found that the runway must have been at least 27 miles or 44 kilometres long. I'm not concerned with the film's veracity, but are there any runways anywhere that long? What and where are the longest ones? HiLo48 (talk) 09:00, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

See list of longest runways. --Lgriot (talk) 10:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I wondered if such an article would exist. So Fast and Furious 6 is unrealistic. Who'd a thunk it? HiLo48 (talk) 11:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Maybe it used non-linear story-telling, so scenes which appeared to be sequential were actually depicting simultaneous events... Just trying to help rationalise. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 08:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

That Hollywood films don't depict things realistically is a well-worn internet meme. People get into cars and instantly drive off, L shaped duvets that reveal men's chests but not women's, people who instantly find their keys, unless the plot demands them to need to scrabble around looking for them like most of us do much of the time, etc. Here is the first page of many on a website with a long list of some of these clichéd nonsenses. To go through the list, (the navigation seems to be broken) change the number at the end of the url. --Dweller (talk) 09:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Now if someone did make an L shaped duvet I'd be interested in buying one... --TammyMoet (talk) 09:36, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You could buy a regular duvet and some sharp scissors, then learn to sew. Probably a lot easier than any seller or prop designer would admit. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:48, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

It should fit nicely into an L-shaped room. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 05:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Yakuza tattoos

Not all but many yakuza tattoos otherwise covering most of the upper body, leave a straight tatoo-free line on the middle the persons chest. Do you know why? Thanks!

46.107.26.54 (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Yakuza tattoos are on the back, not the front. Citrusbowler (talk) (contribs) (email me) 17:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is an example:

http://postimg.org/image/7yoacvmhj/

46.107.26.54 (talk) 06:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I have found a number of forum posts confirming that this is common to Yakuza tattoos on the chest, and suggesting that it is done so that the tattoos are not visible above the neckline when wearing a kimono or yukata or other traditional Japanese dress. This sounds plausible, but I have been unable to locate a reliable source for you so far. - Karenjc 07:09, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Here we go. ... [D]uring the Tokugawa period tattooing was repeatedly prohibited but these laws seemed to make little difference ... Indeed, this prohibition is what inspired the shape of the irezumi. The ink usually ends at the elbow and mid thigh and there is a considerable gap across the chest so that the tattoo would not show when wearing either a kimono or a happi coat. - Karenjc 08:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it's great, it makes sense! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.107.26.54 (talk) 12:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome. - Karenjc 22:20, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Some school campus don't have school colors?

I did try to study some school colors like high school colors and community college colors, I noticed when I go to [2] and Coastline Community College I can't tell what the school colors are over there really. Is this possible some college/HS campuses don't have school colors. or just some school campuses are not require to have a school color. Then if school campus don't require a school colors could their sports team just be random artificial colors?--69.233.254.115 (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

In the U.S., any school that has a sports program will have school colors. New schools (formed by mergers, divisions or newly created) and schools just starting their sports programs will often adopt a mascot and colors by student vote, subject to approval by school officials. At the very least, school officials will solicit student and community opinion. Unofficial teams at a school, such as club teams, may or may not follow the name and colors of the official school identity. (I have long thought there should be a list for colors similar to "List of college sports team nicknames".)    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 20:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

CCC, in particular, does not have varsity athletic programs. I would say that's typical for community colleges. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't mean, however, that they don't have a color scheme which identifies the school. A quick perusal of their website (linked from the already linked Wikipedia article) shows that. I wouldn't add anything to the Wikipedia article based just on that (because of WP:NOR and all that), but there is a definite color branding going on here. --Jayron32 13:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It might be worth the OP's while to contact the school and see if the colors used in their logo have any kind of "official" standing at the school, or if they just happened to like those colors for their website. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 21:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

According to the August/September 2009 edition of the college's newsletter, Coastline was set to announce a mascot, colors and a logo on Sept. 11, 2009. However, I cannot find anything subsequent to that which says what was announced. ... Also, the school's mascot (Dolphin) was announced in 2006, according to the Orange County Register and the Los Angeles Times.

This page seems to suggest that Coastline has a Dolphin logo in blue and gray, but does not say so explicitly. ... And apparently, the Coastline Dolphin mascot associates with other college mascots in California, as seen here.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 03:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

June 11

Wanted: a nicely illustrative diff

I'm trying to find a good diff to use in an updated version of the Evaluating Wikipedia article quality brochure. The diff used in the previous version is along the lines of what I'm looking for (only the paragraph with significant changes was used), but I want something more recent (as it's a diff from 2008). These are the criteria I'm looking for:

• From 2012 or 2013
• Has one paragraph that keeps most of the text but has changes dispersed throughout
• Changes should be a clear improvement
• Text should be mainly prose (rather than ref markup or the like)
• About a fairly significant topic

--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

How about either of these? London (paragraph is long, but can you trim?) or Silver. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 18:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

For London, it's dominated by ref markup, and there are only changes in the last bit. I think it would be best of the any refs are short-form named refs. I'd also like a complete paragraph that's about the length of the one originally used, as that's a nice size visually. The Silver diff is pretty good, although I think it'd be better to have a bit more text changed and have the improvement be more dramatic (ie, the initial state should be bad in a more obvious way). --Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

You could try my method - pick a topic, set the history to last 500, and do a Crtl F for "copy edit". I think I only had to look at a few pages (also tried Rio De Janeiro, Madagascar, Batik, Giraffe and Chlorine) before finding those two. If I have more time tomorrow I can help you look again, unless you or someone else turns something up in the meanwhile. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 00:29, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I like to improve leads. This usually means changing one bad paragraph into four good ones. Check out Etruscan language since may if this helps. μηδείς (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

See also Linen, Asthma, Koala, Spear, Electron. 184.147.118.213 (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

June 12

Antiprocrastination Motivation Technique

There's an anti-procrastination psychological motivation technique that has a proper name (named after the person who came up with it), but I can't recall it.

It essentially involves just getting started (or completing a microtask). For example, if you have trouble motivating yourself to exercise, you tell yourself you'll exercise for one minute. Then, psychologically, you've gotten over the difficult hurdle in getting started and you're more apt to exercise longer. But you have the "freedom" to only do it for one minute.

This is a specific technique/method/system named after someone. (It's not Pomodoro, by the way.)Doctorcherokee (talk) 02:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I think "structured procrastination" is not what you're looking for. But it might be, or others may appreciate it, so here it is: [3]. SemanticMantis (talk) 16:41, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

That's fascinating and very helpful but not what I'm looking for. Let's say you're a teacher and you need to grade a whole stack of papers that you don't want to, and you told yourself "I'll just grade one and then quit." It motivates you to get over that berm of procrastination and mental stubbornness. You might even grade them all in one sitting because you keep your expectations low (as you only have to grade one) and it gets you started. Priming the pump, so to speak. Doctorcherokee (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you recall if it was named after a modern person (last couple centuries), or someone more ancient? Seems to me that the idea of forcing a start is probably even older than writing, but that's just a guess. But I don't doubt someone else later expanded on the details and slapped their name on it. Sort of like these people. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:33, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

It was named after someone modern. It's might be a "rebranded" version or one that has been expanded upon. I think it's been the subject of books, probably by the author. It's been referred to on productivity websites, and there are Youtube videos about it. It's not entirely uncommon but it's uncommon enough that I can't find it. It irritates me, because I could identify the technique (or associate it) with the name. Doctorcherokee (talk) 07:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I found it. It's the Kaizen method, although it was adopted for personal use (i.e. the small steps) by Robert Maurer in 2004: One Small Step Can Change Your Life: The Kaizen Way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctorcherokee (talk • contribs) 07:19, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

PDCA tells me it's also known as the Deming Cycle and the Shewhart Cycle. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 08:30, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Glad you found it. I was amused to learn through it that they've actually named the 5 Whys. I'd always known it as the first five steps of every child I've known's "Unlimited Whys" technique, which always ends in the absolute root truth of "Because that's just the way it is. Now shut up already!". InedibleHulk (talk) 02:57, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Airlines that permanently ceased operations after a crash or a series of incidents

What are notable examples of airlines that permanently ceased operations either directly (their operating certificate was revoked and was never renewed) or indirectly (bad press or a poor reputation leading to lower profits and eventually bankruptcy) because of a single aviation incident or a series of aviation incidents? Two examples I can think of are Adam Air, whose operating certificate was revoked due to their poor safety record, and Red Wings, which ceased flying after a crash early this year. Flash Airlines, Air Florida and Aeroperú are also possible good examples, since they had financial troubles and eventually declared bankruptcy in the wake of a crash. But are there several more examples? And is there a list somewhere where such airlines are listed? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:00, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Pan Am went bankrupt after the Lockerbie bombing. μηδείς (talk) 09:38, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

But that was a couple of years after the bombing, and no connection is made in our Pan Am article, which states, "In his book, Pan Am: An Aviation Legend, Barnaby Conrad III contends that the collapse of the original Pan Am was a combination of corporate mismanagement, government indifference to protecting its prime international carrier, and flawed regulatory policy".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Connections were made in the press at the time that the lack of riders put the nail in the coffin--the brand name would have survived otherwise. I am sure there is documentation, but I won't be getting to it soon. μηδείς (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The Pan Am brand has survived, no less than six different airlines, five passenger services and one cargo service, have born the name and the Pan Am livery, as well as a railroad company. Pan American World Airways explains all the various later companies to use the brand. --Jayron32 01:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I suppose I should have been more clear. The sale of the logo has nothing to do with the actual company that used to advertise and owned the fourth most recognized building in Manhattan, shrunken sold or restructured. It's kind of like saying AT&T is still in business, although AT&T was acquired, not scrapped entirely leaving only a brand.. μηδείς (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

True. Brands like this have value, which is why the names and logos live on even if the original corporation itself goes under or ceases to exist. Besides Pan Am and AT&T, the video game brand Atari has a similarly checkered history. --Jayron32 02:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

ValuJet Flight 592 caused the airline significant financial difficulty, precipitating a merger with AirTran. --Jayron32 13:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Of possible interest: British South American Airways was merged back into BOAC (its original parent) in 1949 after a series of fatal accidents, including 2 total losses. {The poster formerly known as 87.91.230.195} 212.95.237.92 (talk) 13:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

The Zeppelin company got out of the commercial airship business after the Hindenburg crash, and World War II was the death knell. They have only just recently started making experimental, non-commercial airships again. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Pacific Air Lines sold out shortly after a crash-related ad campaign (third on the list). The merger was only related to the crash through the ads, but close enough, perhaps. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:41, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

Two more airlines that permanently ceased operations after crashing (one in 1967 heading for Cyprus, the other in 2005, coming from Cyprus), were Globe Air (no article on English WP) after the 1967 Nicosia Britannia disaster and Helios Airways after Helios Airways Flight 522. ---Sluzzelin talk 02:02, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

The Air Florida Flight 90 crash contributed to Air Florida's demise two years later. Matters weren't helped when Howard Stern, then a DC jock, pretended to call the airline and asked for a ticket to the 14th Street Bridge. Acroterion (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

June 13

was Pincipals of Propaganda a real book

i have found reference here and elsewhere to a book by Joeseph Goebbels titled Principals of Propaganda, did or does it exist in any form or language? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.151.127.191 (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Apparently not. See [4]. Also note the spelling: Principles, not Principals. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:13, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

If it helps, here is a link to that 1950 article, "Goebbels' Principles of Propaganda" by Leonard W. Doob, noted above by JackofOz. -- Deborahjay (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

What did I eat

I ate something in a cafeteria. It tasted like a bean. It was white, flat and quite large, about the size of a coin. It kinda resembled a communion wafer but not as round. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.120.250 (talk) 17:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hominy? --Jayron32 17:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

That was not it, it was very smooth and a little bit bigger. No groove like that on the skin. 84.251.120.250 (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Phaseolus lunatus ? Dbfirs 17:54, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Where did you eat this, geographically speaking? Can you be more specific as to size and shape? (Coins come in a lot of different sizes). Was it a single piece or were there a lot of them? By 'communion wafer' are you describing size, colour, texture? — The Potato Hose 18:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Butter bean? --TammyMoet (talk) 18:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Is there an echo in here? (see Dbfirs link above). --Jayron32 18:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes but how often do you see tins labelled with Phaseolus lunatus in the supermarket? --TammyMoet (talk) 19:01, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Point. --Jayron32 19:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I am almost certain it was butter bean/lima bean, they were pretty tasty! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.120.250 (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I opened a can of them the other day, thinking they were normal beans. I like butter beans, but butter beans on toast is not a very good option, in my opinion. KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 02:00, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

What are "normal beans"? Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 02:04, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Normal beans. Bus stop (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Normal beans, to me. Every "variety" tastes the same, as far as I can tell after thirty years. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

I suspect it was a dollop of congealed fat. No human enjoys lima beans. μηδείς (talk) 02:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

The dollop of fat is what passes for pork in my "normal beans". You can only tell it's not a bean by the texture. And there's only one per can. Still, yes, much better than lima. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:14, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

This human does. What you do is take some rashers of good streaky bacon, and chop 'em up. Throw 'em in a cold pan, turn the heat to medium low, and add a few tablespoons of water. Leave it alone for a while. Cook the beans in plenty of simmering water (unsalted; toughens proteins in many products, vegetables are different) until just tender. Take out the now-crispy-with-all-water-evaporated bits of bacon, drain off most of the bacon fat. Quickly sautee some garlic and onion in the fat, throw in the beans, toss with some torn mint leaves and a good crack of black pepper. optionally add some halved cherry tomatoes with the onions and garlic.

Now that's some good eatin. (Also works very nicely with brussels sprouts, broccoli, rapini oh god so good.) — The Potato Hose 03:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I suspect that KägeTorä's "normal beans" are baked beans, traditionally eaten on toast, which we Britons consume in prodigious quantities accompanying just about any non-sweet food that you can think of. Some British folk will have never eaten another variety of bean. "The average British person eats more than 15 pounds of beans each year".[5]

I can't help but think that adding large amounts of bacon, onion and garlic to just about anything would make it taste good... The bacon is the tasty part, not the beans! MChesterMC (talk) 10:54, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

June 14

Why aren't the largest companies by revenue mostly Oil and Gas companies' bosses not in the list of top billionaires?

Why aren't the largest companies by revenue mostly Oil and Gas companies' bosses not in the list of top billionaires? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pnf1 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Warren Buffett is fourth on Forbes. His company owns most of MidAmerican Energy Holdings Company and they own what you see listed. Keep clicking down the ladder and there's plenty of oil and gas business. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:44, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Erika Johansen

An author by this name has apparently just landed a big movie deal for her upcoming book trilogy. However I can't seem to find anything about her on wikipedia or google. Does anybody know what nationality she is?? It says she went to uni in Iowa, but not whether she's American or not. Anybody got any further info on her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.88.202.211 (talk) 10:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)