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Daines tells wood products officials in Missoula he's working to turn around industry

2014-08-18T19:30:00Z Daines tells wood products officials in Missoula he's working to turn around industryBy DAVID ERICKSON of the Missoulian missoulian.com

The lack of available timber is the single biggest issue facing the wood products industry in Montana, according to a group of foresters and sawmill managers who spoke with U.S. Rep. Steve Daines during a roundtable discussion on Monday.

Daines toured the Roseburg Forest Products Co. particle board production plant in Missoula before meeting with members of the Montana Wood Products Association for a frank discussion on the challenges facing the industry.

The stop was part of a weeklong tour focusing on reducing the impact of what Daines, R-Mont., called “overreaching regulations” on Montana’s economy.

Daines said the tour is meant to highlight the importance of the wood products industry to Missoula and Montana.

“We need to continue to fight to keep this business growing in Montana,” he said. “We need to turn around the wood products industry in Montana and keep these jobs in Montana. We used to have 30 sawmills in Montana and now we’re down to 11.”

Roseburg fiber manager Dan Daly gave Daines a tour of the plant, including the massive hydraulic press that mashes sawdust and woodchips into particle board and laminate that is used for everything from countertops to stair tread. The company employs 112 people and ships roughly 150 million square feet of finished particle board every year.

“This is an impressive startup here,” Daines said. “They’ve made millions of dollars in investment here. They pay good-paying jobs with good benefits. These are the kind of jobs we need in Montana to raise the per capita income, which is one of the lowest in the country.”

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When Daines sat down with leaders from the wood products industry for a panel discussion, he let them know he was aware of the decline of the logging industry.

“I have distinct memories growing up, I was a Bozeman kid, but the days when you would see the logging trucks going up and down the highways in Montana,” Daines said. “It struck me the other day when I saw a logging truck near Belgrade. And you just don’t see that anymore. The numbers clearly demonstrate what’s happening here. You look by any measure of the decline of timber harvests on our federal lands is somewhere between 80 and 90 percent of where we were in the mid-’80s to early ’90s. Something has to be done, and I hear that all over the state everywhere we go. How do we restore the timber and forest products industry to where it was? It’s one of the great battles we face back in Washington as well as here in Montana.”

Daines said that he has worked on passing legislation to find a solution.

“It starts with the source of getting more timber here,” he said. “Here in Montana, we stare at our hillsides and we see dead standing timber on our federal forests and we have an inability to harvest. So we passed a bill in the House that has comprehensive reforms and streamlines the regulatory process.”

He also referenced testimony by U.S. Forest Service Deputy Chief Jim Hubbard.

“He came before our Natural Resources Committee in Washington and he was talking about litigation and these fringe environmental groups that file these lawsuits that are stopping much of our timber harvests here in Montana,” Daines recalled. “To quote Jim Hubbard, he said they’ve ‘virtually shut things down in our national forests.’ So I’m here to be your advocate back in Washington to increase the supply of timber. When I visit sawmills here in the state and they tell me they have to go 400 to 500 miles across sometimes two states going south to get timber, when you’re staring at national forests in the conference room. They said their biggest constraint right now is timber. In Livingston, they said they could add 100 more jobs if they just had access to timber.”

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Gordy Sanders, resource manager at Pyramid Mountain Lumber in Seeley Lake, gave a summarization of the state of the wood products industry in Montana.

“Right now, lumber markets have been pretty good for a while,” Sanders said. “Everybody’s doing OK. The challenge is there aren’t any of us that are running at more than 65 to 70 percent capacity. We could all ramp up production. It really is all about raw materials, available raw materials. For a lot of the mills, every day it’s a challenge not knowing where the logs are going to come from, whether it’s a month, two months or six months down the road. From an owner’s perspective or corporate boards or financial institutions, some certainty is absolutely necessary for all of us in terms of going forward.”

Sanders said Montana has seen a lot of mill closures in the past few decades.

“All the mills now are about 100 miles apart,” he explained.

Daines interjected and asked about a common objection he has heard to increasing timber harvests.

“One of the things I’ve heard is if we suddenly increase supply, we would not have the sawmill capacity,” Daines said. “I literally have heard that objection from folks, saying if we start harvesting this timber, what are we going to do with it all? Which I’d like to hear from you all, the voice of reason and common sense.”

“We look forward to having that opportunity,” Sanders answered. “Everybody can ramp up. The existing sawmills located in this 100-mile distance have the ability to expand. So you’re not going to have new investment of building new mills in new locations. The bottom line is if you had $100 million, would you go build a mill? The answer to that is no. So it’s the existing infrastructure that needs to remain whole and strategically set up with some type of certainty and log supply down the road to have that opportunity to capitalize on. I’m not sitting here and saying ‘X’ number of mills are going to close. All mills close for different reasons, they make their decisions differently.”

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When asked about the history of large extraction-based companies in Montana creating environmental problems because of lax oversight, such as the Anaconda Co. and Champion International, Daines said people want to find a balance between regulation and industry.

“That’s what people want is to find a balance there,” Daines said. “People in Montana like to work and they like to play. It’s been said that our three greatest exports in Montana are our cattle, our grain and our kids. So we want to keep our kids here with jobs, but we also want to create safeguards that can protect our environment and I think we can do both. I think the pendulum has swung too far right now with some of these regulations that threaten jobs in Montana, and if you don’t have a job you can’t stay in a state that we all love.”

Reporter David Erickson can be reached at david.erickson@missoulian.com.

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  1. Business is Business
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    Business is Business - 6 hours ago
    I wish the reporter would the Congressman one simple question: what "regulations" are you talking about?
  2. Loggerman
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    Loggerman - 13 hours ago
    Same ol B.S. from matthew lots of hype and misinformation NOBODY subsidizes the timber industry if the f.s. can't show a profit off timber sales it's due to litigation and or internal mismanagement. Another thing chicken little....do you really think the mills would want to purchase more timber if they couldn't sell more lumber?
  3. KateToo
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    KateToo - August 21, 2014 5:05 pm
    Scoop: Are you looking to work in a chip mill for minimum wage?
  4. KateToo
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    KateToo - August 21, 2014 5:01 pm
    All of this pro-logging rhetoric is based on one simple assumption; that there is plenty of valuable timber available for the industry to profit by, and that industrial activity has been blocked by environmentalists. The assumption is false. Daines is a political stooge. All unprotected watersheds have been roaded and high-graded for many decades, and what is left does not meet industrialists' expectations. Look up some aerial photos (google checkerboard clearcuts in our region). The Forest Service was pressured for many decades to 'get the cut out'. I know - I was there - i participated. Let them do their assessments now and tell us what is really out there in terms of merchantable volume - or chips. Is Montana a land of wood chips? The mistakes the FS made (excessive fire suppression and overlogging) came under the pressure of DC industrialists, but the FS remains professional and can do the necessary work of projecting timber growth and volume. Bottom line: If we take the last remaining big trees we take the last remaining big game habitat and pristine riparian watershed. Take a drive. Study the maps and aerial/satellite photos.
  5. Tim Huffman
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    Tim Huffman - August 19, 2014 9:38 pm
    Gato, dead on. A return to the Gilded Age is exactly what the 1% have in mind. The amazing thing is how many working class people are willing to go along.
  6. gato
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    gato - August 19, 2014 4:58 pm
    Go back even further to the turn of the century when logging really took off with the build out of the extractive industries. Perhaps Daines envisions a 21st Century renaissance of that bygone era.
  7. gato
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    gato - August 19, 2014 2:01 pm
    Missy, Would like to have you add something to the discussion about the woods products industry and jobs rather than just character assassination. Surely you have an opinion.
  8. VoteInYourBestInterest
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    VoteInYourBestInterest - August 19, 2014 1:25 pm
    According to the EPA website there are currently 19 Superfund sites in Montana from the Daine's type philosophy hidden behind phrases like "less government, more jobs". This is nothing more than code words for remove all regulation so we can maximize our profits (while not sharing with employees) and then leave a big mess for taxpayers to handle - of which big corporations aren't contributors because they've moved off shore to avoid paying U.S. taxes. While I appreciate that passion of dems, repubs, independent, and tea party political factions, they're all falling into the traps that got us where are political system is today - totally in the hands of the 1%. You want change? Stop buying into the bull from all these political groups and truly think and vote independently!!!
  9. Skinwalker
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    Skinwalker - August 19, 2014 12:31 pm
    According to the Congressional record (Congress.gov), Senator Tester has sponsored or co-sponsored 33 bills that have become law. The last was: The Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013. Steve Daines has co-sponsored 14 bills that have actually become law and sponsored no bills that have become law. These include: To name the Department of Veterans Affairs medical center in Bay Pines, Florida, as the "C.W. Bill Young Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center". Ms P, you exemplify the saying: "It is better to remain quite and appear ignorant than to open one's mouth and prove it."
  10. MTminded
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    MTminded - August 19, 2014 12:02 pm
    Daines is working to turn the timber industry around..and around and around until it corkscrews into the ground. Daines proposals are boom and bust and will kill the timber industry in very short order. Daines wants to put Congress in control of timber sales. How is that less government? Congress will be heavily lobbied by the timber industry so Daines and others will get rich by selling OUR timber. The U.S. no longer has the milling capacity for the volume of timber Daines' proposes so we will have to ship OUR logs (and jobs) elsewhere, like China, and pay a higher price for the finished product. If you like our current steel market you're gonna love Daines' lumber market.

    Do a little research regarding Champions last decade of existence and how it effected Montana's timber industry. Daines understands silvaculture about as well as he understands history...he seems driven to repeat the very worst examples of bad industrial practices.

    And to top it all off, Daines wants to remove his proposed timber sales from judicial review. He wants to severely limit citizens' access to the courts. When we, as citizens, give up our court access, all bets are off. Imagine a world where industry and government make all the decisions regarding public lands WITHOUT the scrutiny and review of citizens through the courts. What else are we willing to give away (but continue to be taxed for) to appease some politicians bad idea. Dump Daines. Vote him out of office or pay dearly.
  11. Readneck
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    Readneck - August 19, 2014 9:36 am
    The only thing Daines has done is temporarily close down the Federal Government, which cost a fortune and accomplished nothing. He has created no jobs in office. I don't think he really wants to.
  12. Watching
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    Watching - August 19, 2014 9:25 am
    Excellent comment from Matthew Koehler. I wouldn't look to the Missoulian for the even-handed reporting he suggests, however. For reasons that baffle me, the Missoulian reporters don't dig. I don't know if it's laziness or cuts in the newsroom or poor editing, but for whatever reason, readers rarely, if ever, get thorough, even-handed reporting on this issue.
    I also have to wonder about Daines's outdated thinking regarding younger generations of workers. Does he really think timber mill jobs would keep them here? With all the opportunities in technology, medicine, research, just to name a few disciplines, why would young people want to stay in Montana for timber or mill jobs? Trends are changing. Gen. X-ers and even their baby boomer parents, are leaving the suburbs and rural areas for urban life and all its attractions - smaller homes, everything within walking distance. The bygone days when timber was king are an anomaly. They won't return, regardless of pandering politicians of lousy reporters. For these reasons, and those stated by Matthew Koehler, I'd say the timber industry has a dim future in Montana. Maintaining the current status quo is about as good as it's going to get for big timber.
  13. Nick D
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    Nick D - August 19, 2014 8:51 am
    I think Daines misspoke when he said he was a Bozeman kid. He must have must have meant Van Nuys, California kid.
  14. Matthew Koehler
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    Matthew Koehler - August 19, 2014 7:51 am
    Another week....and another article in which the Missoulian treats readers to a one-sided, fact-free article featuring timber industry complaints that everything would be fine if we taxpayers just subsidized more national forest logging.

    In an article from last week there was this quote:

    “We’ve wound our way through all the foreclosures and we’ve seen an increase in housing starts and building, and that’s good,” said Julia Altemus, executive vice president of the Montana Wood Products Association.

    A 5 second google search exposes the truth about "increase(s) in housing starts and building."

    As anyone can clearly see in this chart featuring U.S. Census Bureau information, total U.S. Housing Starts are STILL 60% to 75% BELOW the peak levels from approximately 2004 to 2007. http://www.housingviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Starts.jpg

    Put another way, that means that today the U.S. is still building only 25 or 40 new homes for every 100 new homes the U.S. was building a decade ago.

    How can it be that this important type of context is never reported - it seems - in these articles about the timber industry's desire for more national forest logging?

    I mean, if a car dealership was complaining about not selling enough cars, but U.S. consumers were purchasing 60% to 75% less cars, would the solution actually be to have U.S. taxpayers subsidize the building of more cars?

    Also, it may be helpful in future articles like this for the Missoulian to provide a link to readers that takes them directly to federal timber sale program numbers, rather than just relying on timber industry complaints and rhetoric.

    I've posted this link on Twitter numerous times, sent it directly to Missoulian reporters and editors and posted it on-line here in the comments section:
    http://headwaterseconomics.org/interactive/national-forests-timber-cut-sold. People can search by U.S. Forest Service region, or by state.

    At that link there is a chart specific for Montana that shows the federal national forest timber sale program (in terms of logging volume) in Montana has actually been fairly consistent over the past 20 years. What's changed dramatically, however, is the value and price of what's being logged.

    Think these economic facts have anything to do with the Montana timber industry?

    It would be nice to see these independent, verified sources of information presented in these articles, instead of more whining from timber industry lobbyists for yet more taxpayer subsidized national forest logging.

    Why can’t the Missoulian provide readers with these simple facts and links to verified, actual data and information?!?
  15. Roger
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    Roger - August 19, 2014 7:50 am
    Daines is living in the past - there's no going back to the glory days of logging and road-building.
  16. farmerkate
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    farmerkate - August 19, 2014 7:27 am
    Really, Daines wants to go back to the logging of the 70s and 80s? That's radical! and not possible without mucking up our streams with sediment from roads and disrupting wildlife.
  17. BWO
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    BWO - August 19, 2014 7:16 am
    This is why Montana remains 48th in worker wages....reliance on 19th century industries. Time to change boys. Daines is pathetic.
  18. kareem abdul
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    kareem abdul - August 19, 2014 6:37 am
    Daines voted on his party's timber bill to have Washington DC dictate mandatory cutting in states like Montana. Testers bill has met the test by including all interested groups, who have an interest in Montana's forests. Under Testers bill there will be a lot of Timber cutting.
    As a private timber land owner im worried what mandatory cuts will do to the market price of timber. Will it artificially create a glut of timber, putting small timber suppliers out of business?
    Will Daines seek buy in from these same groups? Meeting with the mills is a start, let's wait and see.
    I'm betting on Senator Testers bill as the best solution for Montanans.
  19. Miss Perfect
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    Miss Perfect - August 19, 2014 2:50 am
    I don't see a single bill from Tester ever becoming law......Tim. Why?? Because he has no skill, no talent, and lacks the ability to get support....even from democrats. Why did you vote for a two bit part time music teacher for this important office?
  20. Scoop
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    Scoop - August 18, 2014 10:33 pm
    About time someone stood up for timber and the jobs this renewable resource creates.
  21. Tim Huffman
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    Tim Huffman - August 18, 2014 10:30 pm
    Soo...I don't see how promising to kill Sen. Tester's bill that gets out the cut is gonna help out there, Steve...
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