Wikipedia talk:Featured picture criteria

Minimum size criteria

There is currently a proposal at "Featured picture candidates" to rephrase and modestly increase the minimum size requirements of new featured pictures. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#Proposal to change size critiera. -- Colin°^Talk 12:04, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Video

For clarification, it says video and animation can be "somewhat smaller"; what's "somewhat"? 1080p? 720p? A more precise guideline is needed, even if it is negotiable; "somewhat smaller" is too ambiguous. St John Chrysostom ^Δόξα_{τω ^Θεώ} 08:54, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Licensing requirement

In a discussion on WT:CSD, someone pointed out a paradox between how GFDL-only images are treated between Wikipedia and Commons in regards to their respective Featured Pictures programs...

A GFDL 1.2-only file can't become a featured picture on Commons, but the file may be hosted there. On the other hand, the file may become a featured picture here (unless I have missed something), but it may not be hosted here.

Since the relicensing clause has lapsed, GFDL 1.3-only is almost effectively the same as GFDL 1.2-only, which has been banned by the community of the English Wikipedia. As such, they should not be given recognition. Thus, I propose this change:

4. Has an acceptable free license. It is available in the public domain or under an acceptable free license. Fair use images are not allowed, nor are images solely licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License.

Any questions? ViperSnake151  Talk  15:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Can we explicitly say that a pixel count is not required for svgs?

Cirt You reverted my change.

What difference is there between these statements? Is what I said not a simplified way of expressing what was there before?

Before - status quo -

• Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality.

After - my attempt to simplify -

• This rule does not apply to vector graphics in SVG. By their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality. Quality is still expected, but it is subjective, and number of pixels should not be considered.

We also talked about this on my talk page. I do not understand this deeply enough to see the difference. What difference do you see?

What exactly should anyone "note"? Is the note that there is no specific number of pixels required for svgs, whereas for other files, a specific number is required? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry:, the reason I reverted your change is because Crisco 1492 and Godot13 objected to changing the rules so fast. I happen to agree that the prior version is just fine. The prior version says: "Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality." This is just fine. The problem is not the wording. The wording is quite clear. The problem is for some reason some people were finding the wording confusing, and I'm not sure how it is unclear. How do you think we can make it more clear? — Cirt (talk) 15:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Cirt Instead of saying "note (this fact) and (imagine the implications for yourself)" I would rather cut to expressly stating the implication. It seems to me that the point being expressed is "if the file is an svg, then disregard the rule about the pixel count, and also judge the file by other quality measures than resolution".

I do not find the prior wording clear, because without further thought, the connection between "files must be 1500 pixels" and "svgs can be scaled" was not obvious to me. I must not be the only one, because I was not the only one to make the demand that the svg be a higher resolution. When you tried to explain to me that svgs were scalable, I had trouble making the connection that what you were trying to express was a counterpoint to my request for a 1500 pixel file.

Since the demand is for a 1500 pixel file, I think this exception would be clearer if it said "a resolution count should not be made for svg files" if that is the intent of the rule.

Thoughts from anyone? Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm just having trouble understanding why anyone would be confused about SVG files when it says they're scalable to infinity. I think that makes it quite clear, in the original wording, that infinity is larger than 1500, you know what I mean? — Cirt (talk) 20:32, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Cirt I think I would rather avoid talking about infinity or any premise and only state the conclusion. Alternate text could be

• Note that vector graphics in SVG format omit the requirement for any pixel count.

I talked this through with another user at Commons:Commons:Village_pump/Copyright/Archive/2016/04#Trademark_with_limited_permission_already_granted.3F. The issue there was whether SVGs are allowed as English Wikipedia WP:NFC. One argument is that SVGs are low pixel images, but another argument is that they are infinite pixel images. Is it better for English Wikipedia to have small files of SVGs or bigger files of raster images which are made to look like small images? I would rather avoid the question and just state a best practice in guidelines that raise the issue. Counting infinity is always confusing. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:14, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I made a change again as described above. The intent of the statement was to say that there is no pixel count required for svgs, and I wanted to say that explicitly. Cirt says that the count of infinity is greater than 1500, which is true, but infinity is also smaller than the number 1500. I would rather avoid counting infinity and clearly say that counting need not be done. If anyone can articulate a resolution requirement on svgs then please help here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:18, 6 September 2016 (UTC)