User talk:Erutuon

conditional linking templates

Hi, I see you've recently touched Germanic strong verb and seem to speak template, so perhaps you can answer me something. The recent edits to the inventory section have left the page in an untenable state: no-one is going to update the links present on the page when the set of verbs that has a reconstruction on Wiktionary changes, and so the two are inevitably going to drift out of synch. But seven paragraphs of redlinks would be distracting. What seems best is a template which renders as a link to Wiktionary of the requisite sort if its target is present, and simple black text otherwise. What, if you know, would be the best way to achieve that? Thanks. 4pq1injbok (talk) 03:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

That would be a wonderful feature, but while there is a way for a module (see WP:Lua) to check if a page on Wikipedia exists, I don't think there's a way to do interwiki checks. I could create a page on Wiktionary with the same list of verbs and add links to it; then the ones without entries will show up as red. Existing Wiktionary links will remain functional, I'm pretty sure; I can't think of a plausible reason why an existing Reconstruction page would be deleted. — Eru·tuon 05:44, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I've created the list at wikt:User:Erutuon/Germanic strong verbs. I really should figure out how to make Template:wikt-lang link to reconstructed forms... — Eru·tuon 05:57, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Too bad, and thanks! (An old reconstruction which is completely superceded by newer ones could be deleted, couldn't it? I agree this wouldn't happen in Proto-Germanic though.) 4pq1injbok (talk) 15:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Question on Latin short a

Hello, sir. I have read your user page to see you have done some work on the page Latin spelling and pronunciation. I have a question with a line on the page. Currently, under the section "Table of Orthography," in the table "Pronunciation of Latin Vowels," the English approximation to the Latin short a is "similar to u in cut when short." However, the "Latin phone" and audio say that the phoneme is [a], which is similar to the "a in cat." Was "u in cut" a typo? I am only confused. Thank you.LakeKayak (talk) 02:41, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Well, the pronunciation of cat differs between dialects. The RP pronunciation of cat is probably the most similar to the Latin short a. American cat has a front vowel that is often not fully open and is sometimes diphthongized. Cut is usually a near-open central vowel in General American and RP, so it is close to the Latin pronunciation in both dialects (as well as in the English of Australia and New Zealand). The only difference is that the Latin vowel was fully open rather than near-open. So I think that's why cut was chosen. — Eru·tuon 03:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, sir.LakeKayak (talk) 17:37, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Shah

Hello, Erutuon -- Having just read the notice at the top of your interesting user page, I have no wish to add any stress to your life, so feel free to ignore this or delay responding. I was just looking at your recent edit to Shah, and I was puzzled why you changed Shahanshah to the version with the s-caron in the Shah#History section. I realize that the short version (Shah) that appears just before "Shahanshah" should be consistent with the longer version, and they were not consistent before your edit, but to most English speakers, the version with the s-caron makes little sense. I can understand using the version with s-caron at the beginning of the article, but after that, I think the version with "sh" should be used for comprehensibility, in both the short and the long version of the title, except, perhaps, in a specific discussion about the etymology.  – Corinne (talk) 03:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Ahh, good to have some feedback. I changed sh to š because there seemed to be no rhyme or reason determining which symbol was to be used in a given place. If you wanted to change most of the cases of š back to sh, that would be fine. Probably you're right that s-caron is incomprehensible to most readers. Perhaps š could be used immediately after text in the Persian alphabet, sh elsewhere? — Eru·tuon 06:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Pellaea atropurpurea

Hello. Thanks for this edit. I had, prior to my edit, read MOS:WORDSASWORDS and determined that in this case, the second sentence best applies:

"When italics could cause confusion, quotation marks instead may be used to distinguish words as words. Use one style or the other in a given context; do not apply both styles at once to the same terms, or switch back and forth between the styles in the same material." — MOS:WORDSASWORDS

I figured in general, articles that have several italicized latin binomial names, then quotes shall be used to distinguish words as words, thus my choice to use quotes. Thoughts? 71.81.74.166 (talk) 03:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, perhaps you're right. I noted that passage too, and made a change to an edit to Use–mention distinction. I prefer using italics for mentions and quotation marks for glosses (meanings). I'm not particularly worried about italics being ambiguous in this case, because the taxonomic name isn't in the same sentence, and it seems clear that the words being italicized are English and not Latin. But if you want to change back to quotes, that's fine with me. I find it best to not get overly invested in little details. — Eru·tuon 03:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Good advice! I plan to leave it as is. Mostly just asking input for future reference. Thanks. 71.81.74.166 (talk) 23:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Audio files of Hindi pronunciation

Hi Erutuon, Thanks for your audio files for Hindi plosives at Hindustani phonology, diff's version at retrieval. I've added it to talk page for Help: IPA for Hindi and Urdu. When you have the time, could you see if it can be used at talk page for Help:IPA for Sanskrit, for Sanskrit pronunciation too, Thanks, by User 2know4power (talk) 09:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I was not very clear in my edit summary. I don't speak Hindi or Sanskrit myself. The soundfiles were created by AmritasyaPutra. I found him because he uploaded some of the soundfiles in the Commons category Hindi pronunciation, and then asked him to record the minimal sets. He has now been blocked, unfortunately. You may be able to find someone else who has uploaded soundfiles by visiting some of the soundfiles in the Commons category. — Eru·tuon 09:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Erutuon, thanks for your work in creating this and also these. Very useful for 'dental Vs retroflex' consonants. Thanks again for your helpful suggestions, by User 2know4power (talk) 22:26, 12 January 2017 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration)

The article Ancient Greek grammar (tables with transliteration) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No content; transcludes the top of another article, but that has no lead section, so effectively transcludes nothing. Left over after a merge or move perhaps?

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	Hello Erutuon, Thank you very much for the great work you do for Wikipedia (articles, pages created), especially the articles in languages, plants and templates. Your valuable works, help to make Wikipedia a treasure trove. Thanks, 2know4power (talk) 06:03, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

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Anemone hupehensis

I agree with you in principle that content should refer to the species not the genus, so I completed the process on Anemone hupehensis and moved the rest of the genus material to the genus page. Unfortunately your template substitution did not work since it was being called from within the text. So I reverted it.--Michael Goodyear (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I fixed the instance of the template so that the Bibliography section had the right taxon and the link in the footnote works. Kind of clunky solution, but it is better than calling "The Plant List" a last name. — Eru·tuon 00:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Sequence of tenses

This article really deserves attention from a Latinist, but the Greek section could use expansion as well. The Latin especially needs to be rewritten quite badly, and I thought you might be a good person to do it. Cheers! —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 07:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)