Talk:Paleoconservatism

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Original research, SYNTH, and unreliable sources.[edit]

I have slashed-and-burned the article. I believe more is needed, but am through for now. There are several reasons I believe this was necessary:

  • The article is currently built around a very large amount of sources used as examples. This is superficially reasonable, but was not neutral, because the article should first-and-foremost summarize reliable, independent sources. This is a key part of Wikipedia's mission. Using examples to suggest a trend or common thread is specifically inviting editors to perform WP:SYNTH by allowing them to elevate particular perspectives to prime importance based on personal assessment. Sources that are not, specifically, about the paleoconservative movement as a movement need to be handled with care, and the opinions of people within this movement are not encyclopedically significant just because they have been published somewhere. If a paleoconservative figure has an opinion on intelligent design, for example, we need a reliable, independent source which specifically links that opinion to paleoconservatism in order to justify a lengthy quote about this topic. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion.
  • Worse, many of these sources were blatantly unreliable. VDare, American Renaissance (magazine), and a random blog are just some of the examples. These are not reputable outlets and are only usable in extremely limited cases. These were not such cases. I suspect there are other unreliable sources mixed in here, as well. While it is permissible to use unreliable sources for attributed opinions in some cases, it is not acceptable to use these sources to perform original research, or to make implications about the movement, as this article is doing frequently.
  • The article has a glut of filler-words, peacock terms, and general puffery. As just one example, calling paleoconservatives "intellectuals" is borderline. Calling them "luminaries" is over-the-top bad. This is not a word we should use without attribution, and we would need a specific reason to attribute this to someone.

I could go on, but hopefully that's enough to explain my edits and facilitate a discussion, if necessary. Grayfell (talk) 02:48, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Again, these issues are still here, and more work is needed. Grayfell (talk) 03:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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International scope[edit]

Does anyone know if this is basically an American concept, or if it has wider scope?

If it is, it should say so.

If not, "limited Federal government" is inappropriate in the definition as that is meaningless in most countries.

(Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Anglo-American_focus) TSP (talk) 15:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

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