Re: [A-List] was: Moderator's Note...

["Christopher Black" <bar@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

No, it is not wrong in any law to disbeleive something until it is proven.
In fact the opposite is true. One cannot prive a negative. By senses I mean
anything that can be detected by our senses whether naked or assisted by
sophistcated machines.

But we are really quibbling here. The point is that there is a mterial
world. There is nothing outside it. Those who are theists beleive that there
is something outside the material world- the spirit or God or gods or
whatever you want to call these notions. But they are creations of the
imagination. It is not up to us who state the existence of a god is a human
construct to "prove" the non-existenceof God. One cannot prove a negative.
No, it is for those who say there is such a being to prove it to us who don
not accept such an idea. It can't be done. And since beleivers do not even
have a theoretical framework to indicate how such a being could exist or
where one might begin looking they have to fall back on the "faith" argument
which convinces no one except those who already beleive in this imaginary
world.

Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tariq Mahmood" <zaogir@pes.comsats.net.pk>
To: <a-list@lists.econ.utah.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [A-List] was: Moderator's Note...


> Margaret said,
> " Plants, trees and wildlife have their own spiritual existence, which
> deserves our respect."
>
> They have not just spiritual existence, but they are all alive. As in
Qur'an
> it is said,
>
> The sun and the moon are made punctual.
> The stars and the trees adore.
>             Chapter: LV, Verses: 5, 6.
>
> Christopher Black
> "Being a materialist means not believing in an imaginary world, but the
real
> world we can see, touch and feel, sense."
>
> The limit to which we can see, feel, hear, smell or taste, the only five
> narrow slits through which we can know about things, is indeed very
limited.
>
> Not believing in things that we perceive not, amounts to equating 'not
> proving' with 'disproving'. THis is wrong under any law.
>
> We can see within a narrow band frequencies of light and that too under
> limited conditions. Our hearing also is restricted to discerning a
narrower
> band width of sounds waves. So is the condition with the other three
senses.
> Many animals can sense things far better than we humans are capable of.
Most
> of the instruments that man have devised can feel things better. And mind
> you we have just five senses. We are unaware of the possibilities of any
> more senses.
>
> Tariq
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