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Welcome to Wikipedia!!!

Hello Anupam! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Below are some recommended guidelines to facilitate your involvement. Happy Editing! -- Kukini 04:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC) Getting Started Wikipedia Tutorial How to edit a page The five pillars of Wikipedia Manual of Style Be bold in editing How to write a great article WikiProjects Getting your info out there Cite your sources Neutral Point of View Point of View Verifiability Uploading images Image use policy Getting more Wikipedia rules Policy Library Getting Help New contributors' help page Where to ask a question Help Desk Frequently Asked Questions Getting along Wikiquette Civility Sign your posts Wikipedians Conflict resolution Getting technical Pages needing attention Peer review Utilities Village pump

My pleasure...happy editing! Kukini 04:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Crimean Karaites

Hi, just thought you might like to check the link you re-inserted into the article before you undo the edit :) Best widshes. 81.103.120.143 (talk) 09:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

خوش آمدید

Welcome back! It's nice to see you return! Kitabparast 13:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back too! I'm really happy that you're back again! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindi movies

I saw that you corrected the articles of some Hindi movies from "English" to "Translation". I'll help you do this, as there are so many movie articles with "English:XXX", "lit.- XXX", etc. (partly my fault), which would best be expressed as "Translation". Bahut bahut shukria Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar!

Thanks for your barnstar! Bahut bahut shukria, aap ki mehrbani hai! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 15:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindi Wikipedia

Hi, I've seen that you edit a lot of Hindi related articles here on Wikipedia. You may consider joining Hindi Wikipedia here. Thanks Gizza^{Chat ©} 12:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindustani orthography

Check out Hindustani orthography and let me know what you think. –jonsafari 00:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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Ungovernable Force^{The Wiki Kitchen!} 04:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar

Bahut shukria for the barnstar! It was a fun article to write. I think a history of the usage of the various scripts would be interesting to include in the article, but I don't know much about that. I'm more of a linguistics guy. To answer your question, my background and current research mostly involves languages that use the Perso-Arabic script, but I've studied some Hindi, Sanskrit, Panjabi, and some Dravidian languages too. So many languages, so little time. –jonsafari 05:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Urdu alphabet

Adab, John Sahib. Thanks for your questions. Nast'aliq is actually a script style, not an alphabet. Naskh is the normal style that Persian and Arabic are usually written in. It's kind of like the difference between cursive and print. Urdu can be written in either style, but Nast'aliq is preferred for its beauty. I hope this helps! Khuda hafiz Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 19:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure! That idea would help a lot. Thanks --Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 20:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to help expand Urdu alphabet. There are a lot of letters (vowels, hamza, etc) that I haven't yet covered and many changes to make. Shukria! --Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 21:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hindustani

Salaam-e khudavand aap ke sath ho! If you want me to help out the Hindustani pages in any way, please let me know. I am going to remove the Hindustani pages from my watchlist until then. Keep up the great work! Yours in Christ Jesus, Khuda hafiz, Kitabparast 03:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Urdu-Hindustani Romanization move

Salaam. Thank you for your initiative to move The Modern International Standard Letters of Alphabet for URDU - HINDUSTANI - "THE" INDIAN LANGUAGE to a more sensible name. I thought I was the only one who thought the title was cumbersome, among other problems. You have my full support in this move. Keep me updated on this if you run into any problems. The article also has some issues with lack of citations, formatting, neutrality, and I suspect some possible copyvio problems, although I need look into this matter more to be sure. I'm sure the primary editor has good intentions, and the actual romanization scheme is fine, but the article has plenty of issues. –jonsafari 22:31, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

My vote is on Urdu-Hindustani Romanization or Uddin and Begum Urdu-Hindustani Romanization, since they imply a specific, actual romanization. Romanization of Urdu-Hindustani implies the article is about the general idea of romanizing Urdu-Hindustani, which it is not. Uddin and Begum Urdu-Hindustani Romanization is fine, and a more detailed title, except it's really long. As far as I know, there isn't another romanization that claims to cover specifically Urdu and Hindustani, so I don't think there would be a namespace clash using Urdu-Hindustani Romanization.

I'll look at the Hindi-Urdu grammar IPA situation when I can. I can't claim to know enough about the language to provide a phonetic transcription, but I can probably give a moderately accurate phonemic one. But then again, it's a grammar article, not a phonology article, so a phonemic transcription is more appropriate anyways. I'm not a native Persian speaker, but I'm slowly working on it :-) –jonsafari 00:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the belated response. I have had little to no internet access lately, and it'll continue for a few more days. Either title is fine with me. I trust your good judgement. –jonsafari 20:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Walaikum Salam

I was busy doing some job-related work during past weeks, but now I am back and we can work together for our common goals towards Roman Urdu/Hindi & Hindustani. I am currently reading the article The Modern International Standard Letters of Alphabet for URDU - HINDUSTANI - "THE" INDIAN LANGUAGE. I will hit you back soon. By da way, thanx for remembering me and scrapping me on my talk page several times during my absence. Salam! -Fayyaz Abbas 31.08.06

link to Persian

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something Persian, please do not link to Persian, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as Persian people, Persian language, or Iran, by writing out [[Persian language|Persian]] or [[Iran|Persian]]. Regards, Jeff3000 06:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Hindi and Urdu scripts

I noticed that you have added Hindi and Urdu scripts to many articles. I really appreciate your work, but it seems that their are quite a few mistakes made. Just a few tips: check Google, the right Hindi/Urdu spelling will give you thousands of results, and its best to write the script manually instead of using a software. Thanks, --Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 19:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I am really sorry for having to revert/remove your Nagari-script edits, but I felt the importance of it was too little. For example, Pakistani film is almost unheard of in India, and is targeted toward the Urdu speaking population, not really including Hindustani. And also, there is no need to put Devanagari on many Indo-Muslim articles, since Urdu is the predominant language, and if you start using Devanagari/Hindi, then the addition of other Indian languages/scripts would be justified, which would really be insignificant. Shukria aur khuda hafiz, Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 21:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I see how Devanagari can be relevant. Nevertheless, I wouldn't think that the number of Indo-Muslims who don't know Urdu script would be too significant, but I guess it is very much possible. I will accept your changes on these pages. If you would like to learn how to fully read/write devanagari and/or Urdu script, omniglot is a great way to start. And software is a great source too, but some minor fixes must be done to the orginal phrase in order to transliterate it, e.g. pagal -> paagal, mein-> me.n, thanda -> ThanDaa . Bahut shukria aur khuda hafiz, Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 01:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Bollywood

Anupam sir, Pls give references for your claim that bollywood films are produced in Hindustani language.-Bharatveer 05:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Anupam sir, Pls see Wikipedia:Reliable sources& Wikipedia:No original research.

Posters do not make reliable sources; pls cite any source that claim Bollywood movies are made in Hindustani language.Preferably the Certificate given by the Censor board of India clearly gives the name of the language in which film is made. I would request you to cite any of such certificates here.-Shanti, shanti and more shanti-Regards-Bharatveer 04:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikibooks

Hello! Can you contribute to the Urdu Wikibook (in Wikibooks) Please?

Thanks and Successfully!!!

User:Cool Cat/In many languages...

Thank you for the Hindustani translation --Cat out 15:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Phoenician alphabet

I don't know whether putting the Devanagari script is a good idea, since Devanagari deviates so much from Phoenician, with 2 d's, 2 t's, so many ways of represent gimel, etc, and no letter at all for some sounds. Bahut shukria aur Khuda hafiz, Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 00:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

And I also believe that the other alphabets' letters on the chart are direct derivatives of the Phoenician letter, which isn't true for Devangari. Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 00:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The thing about Brahmic-from-Phoenician is unsourced. To be a language on the chart, I would think that there is a definitive history for each letter deriving from Phoenician. For example, it it known where each of the arabic letters come from, since the abjad system was basically the exact order as phoenician, e.g. Alif, Baa, Jeem/Geem, Daal, compared to Aleph Beth Gimel Daleth. The Hebrew script was based on the Phoenician in almost the same way as the arabic, and the Greek system was really too. From Greek there comes both Latin and Cyrillic, and although deviate a bit from Phoenician, their link is still definitive. Devanagari and even Brahmi have no definite link to Phoenician, and the way the letters are arranged was based on Panini (k kh g gh ng...). And Phoenician is a Semitic script, not Indo-European. I hope this clears up anything, and let me know what you think! Thanks! Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 19:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I have removed the Devanagari/Hindi column. If you have any more concerns/comments, feel free to discuss on my talk page. Bahut bahut shukria! Mar de Sin ^{Talk to me!} 19:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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Pugnacious attitude

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that Bharatveer likes fights, and is actively looking for articles that I edit and making provocative changes. As if to say, "Nyah nyah nyah." Zora 20:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm a Buddhist gori. American (Swedish-Texan heritage) and I live in Honolulu. I was once passionately involved in many of the Islam-related articles, just as a way of understanding Islam, but I have since tried to stay out of the fray. The problem is a continually changing roster of editors, 95% of whom have no academic training but a great many prejudices and even hatreds. We get a compromise worked out, a decent article written, and then someone new comes along and wants to know why the Muhammad article doesn't say Muhammad was a pedophile and rapist. It breaks my heart. Even the Bollywood articles are increasingly problematic. We have the Hindutva crusaders and then we have the gonzo fans who are sure that Shahrukh or Amitabh or Sridevi or Rani is the pinnacle of human achievement, perfect in every way, and that his or her article must be a shrine to the beloved one. Are American fans that nuts? I don't edit Hollywood actor articles. I wouldn't know.

Oh, and as for me being respected -- take a look at my user page and the names people have called me. I was tickled pink when I was called a Jew and an Islamofascist bitch, both on the same day! Zora 06:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

In many languages...

Thank you, Anupam, for contributing to my in many languages… page! I appreciate it very much, and I will remember you if I have any questions about your language. Thank you again! —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  16:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Jal

Putting Hindi (or Divangari) in first line alongside Urdu gives a wrong idea as if Divangara is standard in the Band's country of origin. You can put Divangari in Etymology section whcih will make more sense as Jal is a very informal and almost obselete word in Urdu. Thanks! Szhaider 05:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

A correction for the record

I do not add Urdu scripts to specifically Indian articles. I add Urdu script to only those articles whcih are relevent to Pakistan. Szhaider 05:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Pashtun

Urdu-speaking Muslims are not Pashtun, they are just plain Indian Muslims. OK. Just referencing from the “The Joshua Project Website” is not going to cut it. I want to see a proper government census by mother-tongue to prove your claims. Napoleon12 7:58, 16 October 2006

Clearly the people with Pashtun heritage for more than three genertions ago and have lost Pashtun culture cannot be classified as Pushtuns. Nearly 25% of Urdu speaking Muslims in Pakistan, Bangladesh and India are in this category. Claiming 11 million Pashtuns in India cannot be accepted. They now belong to Urdu speaking ethnic group.

Siddiqui 03:43, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Saare Jahan Se Achcha

I dont wish to go 3rr, even though it is combatting vandalism. Please see to it to take whatever action you see fit.Bakaman _Bakatalk 03:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the well-researched comment.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hindi

Thank you, Anupam. The lesson is quite insightful, although I doubt I will ever fully understand exactly when one should use half-letters. If you ever do find the company that was mailing out gratis copies of the Qur'an, please do let me know.

When I finish my faux-Shakespearian comedy, I'll let you know. As of now, I'm working on ACT I Scene III. With Regards, Smc117tcc07 15:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Pashtun people

Salam Anupam,

Sorry for that, I didnt even notice that, but luckily you did, so thank you for that. I'll try to fix it or put it the way you did.

Thanks alot for your advice and kind words and encouragement.

With regards, Tajik-Afghan

Roman Urdu

Sorry that I'm busy, but I will finish the table as soon as I have time, which may well be this weekend. Thanks, and Khuda hafiz! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 00:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm really sorry that I still don't have the time. I'm sorry to have to request you to ask another editor to aid you in this task. Thank you, and Khuda hafiz! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 01:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Purdah

I see that the article purdah has an editwar. May I suggest that you insert purdah into the section "Other meanings" instead of the beginning of the article, because it has little relevance to the first and largest section. This way, I think both parties can be satisfied. Thanks and Khuda hafiz! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:24, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I think that some articles do deserve Hindi script. However, from my perception, Pakistani bands are not really that popular across the border, unlike how Indian films are very popular in Pakistan. Pakistani films also go largely unnoticed by Indian Bollywood aficionados. For some of the articles like purdah, azad, etc., Hindi script should go wherever relvant. Thanks! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 22:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, many Pakistani bands are well known in India and appear on Indian music sites. However, the pages with Hindi scripts should only be limited to the ones that are known in India. Thanks! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 23:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If any revert war starts, it's best not to revert until a consensus is reached, as the 3RR rule is more strict now (I think). Thanks. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 01:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you should bring up the topic on either Szhaider's talk page or the talk page of the relevant article. I'm sorry but I don't wish to become too involved in this as I am still rather busy-- bahut afsos ki baat hai, ab sirf chhote edits karsakta hoon :(. Khuda hafiz. Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 01:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bahut bahut shukria, aap ki bad.i mehrbani hai! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 01:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Devanagari script

You're stepping into a minefield here and I may not be the best person to advise. For whatever it's worth, I'd suggest that you limit the supplementary Devanagari to material that is sold and advertised in India, and perhaps phrase it thus: "When appearing in India, or sold in India, rendered as XXX in Devanagari." That makes it very clear that you aren't attempting to claim the material for India, that you're just trying to reach out to Indian fans who might not be able to read the Urdu script. Take it slow and don't act as if you're a tank division heading for Islamabad! :) Zora 02:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Bindi (decoration)

Please have a look at the talk page there. This is yet another instance of a certain cadre of editors replacing references to South Asia with the term "Indian sub-continent." Laying claim to the whole sub-continent. Zora 07:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Zora, You are just being out of your senses.Pls try to look things in their proper persepective.Partition of India happened and no one here wants to stake a claim to whole subcontinent anymore.But your argument that the the word "Indian" is Inflammatory and therefore it should not be used is illogical to say the least.-Bharatveer 08:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The third para means it in a geogrphical term anyways so subcontinent is the more useful term.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, one use in the article was in a geographical sense. I think South Asia is pretty offensive to the majority of "South Asians" (who live in the Indian subcontinent), lol. Bakaman _Bakatalk 05:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Bakasuprman, I hang out on a few desi blogs, like Sepia Mutiny, Bollywood Fugly, and Razib's genetics blog, and South Asian is the term used. By desis. They also use the term "brown" (as opposed to "black" or "white") but it doesn't seem to be catching on outside the blogosphere. South Asia may be denigrated in your circle of friends but in the online desi world, it seems to be well-accepted. Zora 08:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan articles

Thanks for taking the time to comment upon the solid work that user NisarKand is doing in some areas of Wikipedia. The main Afghanistan article and a few others are strangely written from a modern Persian Nationalistic perspective--very wierd. Initially NisarKand's edits and attempts to insert information that was not tainted with this bias were simply reverted due to complaints, but I pointed out that a lot of his information is correct, and he has contributed a lot, so the initial wholesale reversions, at least, where removed. It has, however, turned into a serious eidt war with plenty of name-calling on all sides, though, so I'm not willing to participate until cooler heads prevail. NisarKand knows quite a bit about the history of Afghanistan and the Pashtun peoples, and it would be a shame to lose him as an editor. KP Botany 17:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's quite a bit of work to get the neutral point of view in. It's hard enough copyediting, alone, when it seems to engage you in an editwar, too. Salaam, KP Botany 20:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

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Reply

Thanks for notifying me. As predicted, Sarvagnya (see wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/sarvagnya) thinks that bringing a few socks and fellow Kannada users has formed a "consensus". I think its funny because AFAIK, the Hindu and Urdu users reached a compromise, and its weird how some DMK style anti-Hindi deletionism still managed to creep up.Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Vidya Balan

Hi! Coud you kindly explain the reasons behind the edit war on the page (concerning addition of her name in Urdu)? Thanks for your time.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 16:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Your Urdu

On your user page you claim to be native speaker of Urdu. I have noticed Urdu scripts that you have added to a variety of articles. Please do not take it personally. It is necessary to tell you for the sake of quality of the material presented at Wikipedia that Urdu scripts that you have added are completely wrong in 99% of the cases. I have fixed most of them in Pakistan related article. Please confirm the validity of the Urdu scripts before adding them to any articles. Szhaider 23:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Etymology of Hindi

Anupam, I notice that you watch the Hindi article. I added a discussion item about the etymology of the term "Hindi" to the Hindi talk page. I'd appreciate your comments. Sarayuparin 06:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Namaste Anupam, sadly the language dispute where disruptive users try to whitewash Hindi has continued, with Sarvagnya attacking me and accusing me of "promoting a nationalist agenda". I find it hilarious, being of course instrumental in bringing together, Nastaliq script readers, Devanagari script readers, Bengalis, Marathis, and Malayalis together united in a common goal. See the nice long rant at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar#Statement_on_User:Bakasuprman_by_User:Sarvagnya. We need sensible users to add some sense to that section, so its not full of nonsense.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Its about user Hkelkar (who I have collaborated with on many pages) but users like Sarvagnya and KNM have taken time to bring the Kannada-Marathi dispute to the table and accuse me of many things. Since you were the calm voice on that page, your comments would help debunk the nonsense pasted by these editors inspired by regional conflict. Its funny how you and me worked with NAstaliq readers, NAgari readers, Bengalis, MAlayalis, Tamils, and MArathis to build consensus yet we are still defined by sarvagnya as the "Hindi Prachar Sabha" or "people that will lose their minds if precious Devanagari is removed from the page". What I will lose my mind over is tendentious editors POV-pushing and disruptive editing by regionalistic editors bent on making wiki a battleground.Bakaman _Bakatalk 18:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Your words will weigh heavily, seeing as you've been more calm and civil than most of the users on that page.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Namaste Anupam, since you commented on the arbcom, this proposition Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop#Bakasuprman may be of interest to you.Bakaman _Bakatalk 20:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Anupam! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Vidya Balan

The discussion there might interest you. The discussion is with Zora, who accuses myself, Bharatveer, and Deepujoseph (a Malayali admin) of censorship on wiki. I suggested that an Urduwiki link can be added to the article, so that those readers who wish for Nastaliq can read a whole article instead of merely her name.Bakaman _Bakatalk 17:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, actually preferrably the only language link that would be there is the lang of her ethnicities (Malayali and Tamil). I cant read/write Tamil so thats a problem. I'll try and find some Tamil users though. They're working to build consensus on the case so your input will help in the discussion.Bakaman _Bakatalk 15:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Namaste

Anupam, pls see Carnatic Music . This sort of deletion & retention of scripts cannot be restricted to some articles alone .So pls go and revert what you have done now.-Bharatveer 04:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not India

Rules & regulations should be applied for all articles wihtout exceptions.-Bharatveer 05:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

weak knowledge

All I have to say is your knowledge is weak and poor.I dont need you to tell me about the Muhajirs first of all,as my father is one. Second of all,Urdu might have developed in what is today india but it's parent languages is where it's heritage lies.Sanscrit was spoken in Multan.Where is that?You wont need a map I'll tell you:its in Pakistan.

As for you "acadmic" vision of what you call "history",you seem to lack in it. The so called "partician of india" is my best example.A provincecalled Punjab gets divided into two states and you cry "India got divided".Syria and Turkey were under the rule of the Ottoman empire,so by your arguemnt,Turks and Syrians are "the same" or that "Syria got divded into two".

India is in fact a whole day YOUNGER than Pakistan as it was liberated a whole day later by the British.The so-called land of "India" was nothing but independant states before the arrival of the British.It only became "one"(against their will,which explains the sepratist movements all across "India" today.) when the British forced all of south asia to live as ONE COLONY. When they arrived,they used the term the ancient Greeks did to refer to south asia,but again the term meant NOTHING to the people of South Asia.

Coming back to Urdu,your arguemnt that because it was simply born in what is today India,it automatically becomes "Indian". Let's make a similar arguemnt.The modern Turkish language evolved and now is spoken in Turkey,a country geographically located in Europe.SO by your arguement,your saying that Turkish should automatically gain the status of a European language just because it happens to evolve into what it is today in Europe.-LOL Sorry but reference to the Indus is staying in Pakistan's history article and if you do happen to tamper with it,you're asking for trouble.

We Pakistanis take more pride in our heritage than you Indians realise.

Oh one last thing."educated Muhajirs"(???)I didnt know ALL muhajirs were educated.I wonder then,why 90% of Karachi(a predominantly Muhajir city)lives in poverty.Nadirali 01:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Nadirali

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Use_of_vernacular_scripts_in_India_bio_articles_-_2

Voting on the scripts.--D-Boy 01:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

disagree with abrahimic relgions

If these projects were focused on indic versions of there faiths such xtianity in india or Islam in India, I would have no problem with it. But they do not. They are general projects that do not focus on a particular region. For example, the WP india does include all of the military history project, it only includes the Indian-task-force part of it. Zohorastrianism is related to early vedic civilization and shares similar cultures with the indic philosphies. Therefore I request that they be removed. Even wikiprojects such as iran and indonesia do not direct associations with such projects such that are listed on their respective pages.--D-Boy 02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks for hearing me out.--D-Boy 04:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I might need some help

Wikipedia:Help_desk#Blocking_a_user He's trying to block me.--D-Boy 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

scripts

I think the Hindi should be placed only where it's really need maybe for example a bio such as Lara Dutta and Preity Zinta. People from UP, there's mismash of Hindi and Urdu and well as others. I think Hindi there would be appropriate.--D-Boy 03:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

A person like Kajol would not need Hindi scripts. Also, I agree with Ambroody's position on urdu especially with bollywood movies.--D-Boy 03:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

His position was:

My 0.02 pence.... Firstly i couldnt care less if scripts are there or not. I'd support removal of vernacular scripts ONLY if all non-English scripts are removed simultaneously. Indian articles shouldnt be held to different standards. Re:Bollywood it is really idiotic to add Urdu to Bollywood articles ad hoc, more so for Bollowood bios (Kajol article for example had Urdu but no Marathi!). Unless the said movie uses stresses on Urdu (as understood in post-1947 context) i see no point in adding urdu script to articles like say Lage Raho.

My position is urdu would acceptable say at Akbar-Jodha, Umrao Jaan, Mughal-e-Azam and bio article suchs as the khans of bollywood, K. Asif, and big b since his dad was an urdu poet.--D-Boy 04:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Big B's dad an urdu poet?? Are you sure? Or is it his poetry uses some words of persian origin??????-Bharatveer 05:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Says it on his article.--D-Boy 06:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Pls read again.-Bharatveer 09:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Bharatveer Big B and Urdu are ok. Its just random actors/actresses with random language scripts thats the problem.Bakaman _Bakatalk 04:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

urdu script needed

Munshi Premchand . Bakaman 06:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

just incase you are interested in the discussion. No one else is really giving input.--D-Boy 03:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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Urdu poetry

Hi Anupam! Sorry I never got back to you on the etymology of Hindi. I decided to let it slide for the time being. Re: the Urdu poetry article: I did see the Devanagari and Persian script samples you added to accompany the couplet. Szhaider removed them, I think, because he thought there was no need for the script example. Are those the reverts you are refering to? Sarayuparin 21:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I personally don't see what's wrong with having the Urdu and Devanagari scripts there. It seems particularly germane since the article is on Urdu poetry. Having the couplet in Urdu seems topical, at the very least. Sarayuparin 22:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Since the script additions have been reverted before, maybe it would be worthwhile to start a discussion on the article's talk page. That way all users who are interested in the matter can voice their opinions. It's always good to build concensus for an addition or deletion if the issue is contested. If no one responds to the discussion, then I suppose you can go ahead and put the script examples back. Sarayuparin 00:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Anupam

Hello, Afghan Historian here. Sorry I didnt respond to your post earlier. Yeah, thanks for the comments. As I said on my profile, I just like to interpret history with an NPOV and stay true to the sources. And yes, they do show that India and Pakistan were historically one geographical nation/expression, and today culturally more or less one but split between two nations. Not that I'm advocating reunification or anything. But I am a firm believer in peace, cooperation and normal relations between the two sister states. With regards to Shah Rukh Khan and the Pashtuns, there are full-blooded Pashtuns in the industry but I dont see Shah Rukh Khan as one of them specifically. Shah Rukh Khan is a Hindkowan Pashtun whose parents or grandparents were from Peshawar. Hindkowans are Pashtuns who are bilingual in both Pashto and Hindko. They follow Pashtunwali but are more conversant in Hindko than anything. Hindko is an old Indo-Aryan tongue and the last remanant of the branch of Indo-Aryan (Sanskrit-derived) languages that were once spoken in the Hindu Kush region on the eastern edge of the Iranian plateau. These are a more like a transitional subgroup between the Pashtuns and the Punjabis, or more likely a subgroup of Pashtuns who have embraced part of a different culture but still keeping the original ancestral cultural identity. It remotely like the Parsis you know. The Parsis view themselves as ethnically Persian and yet nationally and culturally Indian. Likewise, the Hindkowans view themselves as ethnically Pashtun, but linguistically and somewhat culturally more Indo-Aryan. Just like the Parsis still follow Zoroastrianism, the Hindkowans still keep to the old Pashtunwali and martial spirit. So its not uncommon for a Hindkowan to call himself Pashtun, as that's his ancestry and background, just as a Parsi, par example Freddie Mercury, will call himself Persian. In fact, as many take Shah Rukh Khan to be an actual Pashto-speaking Pashtun, many take Freddie Mercury to be an actual Farsi-speaking Persian, without understanding the context of his roots. The page we are writing, deals with Pashto-speaking Pashtuns from eastern Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan, where the ethnic group is based. There are Pashtuns of this kind in Bollywood, the most notable being the old Bollywood hearthrob Dilip Kumar (real name Mohammed Yusuf Khan), as well as 60-70's legend Feroz Khan, who was born to parents in Bangalore who had actually immigrated directly from Afghanistan itself. Afghan Historian 20:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Anu,thanx for leaving message on my page,i am happy that wikipedian are trying to help each other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)

thanx for help

Thanx for Help .i am also looking for one more Tag that is aqurim Fish? do you have idea abut it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 04:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Hi\Qirpaso\Kewl\A.Salam

Kahra Hal Ahain(in Sindhi)(how r u). :P Changi Gai(Balouchi)(how r u ). lolz

again thanx,Anu ,I have add fish tag in my profile but i just like to add aquarium fish (tag) rather then any other (just)fish, I love to eat fish but aquarium fishes are like pets, so i want to show that i am interested keeping aquarium fish as my pet. I do not feel comfortable keeping fish(tag) on my page because it does not show either I am interested eating it or keeping it as pet, but if i will keep aquarium tag that means pet.are you getting my point?

Ciao Khalidkhoso 06:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

again need Help

Hey Anu ,thanks for help ,i need help agian,but i need your favor this time. I have seen some topics here Regarding balouchistan ,some users are writing every thing on favor of Govermenet.But i want to be much neutral. Tell me how to get that topic so that neutral pages so that no buddy should write bogus on it.

Khalidkhoso 10:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

WaSh(sweet of u,balouchi word) Anu. yeah ur article is much helpful to me, I have some local news papers articles(daily kawish most regulating sindhi news paper around the world) can i use it as my source but those are in sindhi, what about bibliography written by Khan of Kalat(former) himself

Khalidkhoso 04:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Anu,i can speak Urdu but i am not good in it my ancent does not support me lolz(but who cares).Yeah that Aqurim fish looks cute on my page,BTW sounds that u r also fisher lover bcoz u selected cute fish.after using both tags of my page( aqurim fish\tag of Ancient Grecee) i feel better.Should i Thank u again,i better find other word,becuase i been using it alot (heheheh). Sadain Gud(Always with You)(we say it in sindhi when we leave each other,we sindhi peopls do not use word bye).

Kahra Hal Aahin (how r u ,sindhi) waja changi(youth how are u,balouchi)

i am again here for you to help me ,I have seen one article and i wanted to make changes in it. here it is(it is talk page, I popup one matter there) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sindhi_people#where_to_put_these_cast.5Ctribes_names

but problem with me is that i do not know the origin of these cast\tribes and in article all things are categorized, I do not know what to do and where to put these tribes .But for sure these are sindhi cast\tribes they been living here for generation. and they speak sindhi only(not even balouchi ,like balouchi tribes in sindh,or sarki language).

--Khalidkhoso 06:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi anu,i am trying to change this article ,but i can not find sindhi Script on my window to add words on article? how that is done beacuse there 52 alphabet in sindhi,out those 5 r orginal sindhi and 47 are arabic.but on this page it is written all 52 are arabic that is worng. i have study sindhi for 12 years i know about it.can i saw images on it?i mean or scan book and or write and then put image of those alphabets?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindhi_language

--Khalidkhoso 07:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Afghanistan

I have noticed your edits in Afghanistan and I have reverted your changes, because they were wrong. "Afghanistan" does not translate to "Afghani place" ... it means "Land of Afghans". The "i" in the Western transcription "Afghanistan" does not reflect the original Persian: افغانستان‎ Afghān'stān where the "i" does not exist. It's a non-written vowel in between the "n" and the "s" that is a typical phenomen in Middle Eastern languages: two consonants are splitted by a non-existing, smooth vowel. In this case, it's an "i" or an "e". So, the correct transliteration of افغانستان would be "Afghan'stan" - "Land of Afghans". "Afghani place" does not make any sense ... neither in English nor in Persian. Tājik 10:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thx for your replay. I know the meaning of -stan in Sanskrit ... in fact, it has the same Indo-Iranian root. However, "Afghanistan" is deffinitly derived from Persian and thus, the only correct translation would be "Land of Afghans". Tājik 21:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

"Afghani place" does not make any sense? why don't you bring some Americans or other English speakers and ask them what does "Afghani place" translates to and mean? To me, "Afghani place" means a place (land, territory, country, nation, spot, area, space, store, shop, market, and many many others) that belongs to Afghani. The term Afghani is used as Afghanistan's currency. I am Pashtun from Afghanistan and we use the term Afghani to refer to something that belongs to the nation Afghanistan or Afghans as the people. For example: I am wearing Afghani Kalee...it means I am wearing traditional clothes of Afghanistan or clothes made in Afghanistan. Or I am buying a new Afghani Ghalai, which means I am buying a rug that is made in Afghanistan or from Afghanistan. In the English language, there are many shops named with "place" at the end, for example: "Tony's place" = a shop owned by Tony. Another better example is "Disney's Land" or "Disney's World", which means land belonging to Disney. Any place on earth can be called "place". So how can someone say that "Afghani place" does not make sense? Afghani place clearly means the place where the Afghans are found. This applies to the English and my Pashto language both. What does Hindustan means? The place where all the Hindus are found or live. Land is limited sometimes. If we were to call Mir space station "Afghanistan"...then is it "Land" of the Afghans? or Space of the Afghans? Therefore, the word "Land" being used would not make sense. The word "Place" is unlimited...it can be used for any place we can imagine. To me, Land of the Afghans sounds more silly because only Land is included, but not the space above the land....like airways or waters and perhaps other things. Conclusion, Afghani-place is the precise meaning or translation of Afghanistan. I believe the word Afghanistan was made by people on the Hindu"stan" side rather than those on the Persians side. Because, Hindustan has the oldest recorded civilization than Persians. Also, the place that was called Afghanistan since at least the 16th century, was much closer to Hindustan. That area (Southeast Afghanistan and Western Pakistan) is still heavily influenced by Indian culture. In other words...it is more likely that some authority in Hindustan long time ago decided to call the area where the Afghans lived as "Afghanistan". The only best choice to use is the obvious one that I just explained.--NisarKand 22:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Pashtun People

I do not believe India is the home to some 11 million Pashtuns which is histoically impossible. I need to see a proper Indian census on Pashto-speakers before I agree to any changes to the article based on demographics. Also, Urdu is a separate language than Hindi which draws large influence from Farsi and Arabic. If you cannot understand that very basic fact, than you got problems. Dilip Kumar is known for his acting achievements and not his political tendencies. Plus, people want to know who Pashtuns are and not what they are doing currently. You are welcome to add that info on his article. Thank you for understanding my situation.--Napoleon12 5:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I still do not agree with the demographics. The article is about Pashtuns and not about Dilip Kumar or his personal hobbies. You are welcome to add that information on his personal page. Also, I am not going to debate with you on the origin of Urdu since Pashto is my first language. So, you know my answer. You should be ashamed that your government never conducted a proper census on ethnic and religious lines. Why don't you write an article about Muslim misery in India as reported by the BBC. [[1]]. Khuda Hafiz.--Napoleon12 5:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget that Urdu is the majority language of Muslims and so-called Pathans of India, and not Hindi. Thus, you must agree with me that the Urdu language good enough in representing the Pashtuns of that region. On the issue of Dilip Kumar, I think the description is fair b/c it mentions his birthplace and his occupation.--Napoleon12 6:14 pm, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

how to clean mess

Yar anu,i am very upset ,realy can not belive peoples are having so much joke with history .i checked Moen-jo-daro page ppls were fighting including me to put india or pakistan page or keep both off,it is strange that ppls consider sindh as indian which was itself a countries in history,wel i do not have to talk about it,even then i visit Raja Dahar page,it was strange to see india flag on it,he was son of Sindhu rather then indian. anu i knw u r indian but i feel sorry that ,why ppls doing so.now i seen big mess ,joke with history i was reading story abut sassi\panhu ,they written fake story.ok even it is true,but that story does not belong to them inclduing other,what i amn trying to say is that Shah Abdul Latif written that story in his poetry in 16 hundred if some one else is writing that same story in other language in 18hundred that story does not belongs them anyway(it is like some one will write Rome Julite now and peopls say he wrote it ,no sorry,it was written by Shakispir long before ,so that belongs to him). i have refrence in sindhi and english i am writting those here now tel me what to do ,i changed one story ,but i m feared some one will revert putting in confilit topic.but this is not solution .Please help me here are source

http://www.geocities.com/thebhittai/lateef15.html http://home4.pacific.net.sg/~makhdoom/bhitai.html http://sufiblog.com/shah-latif-bhitai.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Abdul_Latif_Bhittai

about story i changed(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassi_Punnun#References).

he is Punjabi poet wrote same story in (17th century ,same thing is already written by Shah Abdul Latif in 16th century)

( are Mirza Sahiba, Sassi Punnun and Sohni Mahiwal. There are several poetic narrations of the story, the most famous being Heer Waris Shah written in 1766. It tells the story of the love of Hee)

why this mess.

Sadin Gud

Note: i know urdu can i speak\read\write it,but give much prefrence to balouchi\sindhi\english then trun comes of hindi\urdu

(sorry for typo erro and mess) --Khalidkhoso 13:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

qaseeda

What is that? I came across it on the Krishan Bheel page, which btw needs urdu script.Bakaman 21:43, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

JS

// Admin-like RC Patrol tools document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:VoA/monobook.js' + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

Enjoy your revert button and happy vandal fighting.--§Sir James Paul<<--wikiholic§ 11:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Put the thing above on your monobook

The thing above is the tool I use. It is a rollback button.--§Sir James Paul<<--wikiholic§ 01:20, 21 December 2006

Look at this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sir_james_paul/monobook.js. It has the right code on it.--§Sir James Paul<<--wikiholic§ 01:39, 21 December 2006

Regarding changes in Sindhi_people

Sain MahirBani (sain=respectable word for friend\landlrod\teacher\head\lord,mahir bani=thanks). Perfect Place for Tribes. Mmmm,nice work i am glad you found way to place it. Well i could not do it but you did it .it is perfect place for those things to be there. Lukh Thora (millions of thanks,NOte:we do not have thousands of thanks or hundreds for thanks, Just million of thanks :P ).

--Khalidkhoso 04:29, 21 December 2006

According to You sindh was part of India ,read refrence here

http://www.geocities.com/pak_history/Sindh.html

Both the words India and Hindu are derived from Sindhu, which, in Persian became Hind and Hindu (the letter H substituted for S) and in Greek and Roman, Ind (the letter S of Sind having being dropped). The meaning of the word Sindhu is water, referring to the great river.

The Aryans called the whole of Pakistan, Kashmir and East Afghanistan as Sapta Sindhu.

This distinction continued for centuries. Arab geographers, historians and travellers also called the entire area from the Arabian Sea to the range of Kashmir mountains Sind.3 As such, there were always two countries in the sub-continent -- Sind and Hind

Thus, even for the Aryans there were two countries in this sub-continent: Sapta Sindhva and Bharat Varsa.

The Assyrians in the 7th century B.C. knew the north-western part of the sub-continent as Sinda. However, when India began to be called Hind by Persians and Arabs, and Ind by Greeks and Romans, the local people continued to call their land, Sind.

http://www.sindhila.com.pk/SINDH.HTM

Sindh begets its name from the river ‘ Sindhu’, which is primarily the original name of the river 'Indus’(Greek Sinthos, Latin Sindhus). Over the centuries it has been subjected to considerable name deviation, which are phonetic variations of root word "Sindhu". Linguistically, there have been various theories put forward accounting for the oscillatory behaviour of this name Folk/Oral history says, "Sindh" means green land and "Sindhu" means source of greenery".

http://pachome1.pacific.net.sg/~makhdoom/history.html

Jeejal-i AmmarR-i SindhrRi - The Mother Of Civilizations (lovely enternal mother)

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Islamic_Onslaught.htm

The day Muhammad bin Qasim, entered Sindh as a conqueror

http://www.hospitalityclub.org/hc/hcworld.php?region=336

It was in 326 BC the Alexander the Great came to Sindh and captured the main towns along the river. The great Maurya Dynasty ruled Sindh in the third and second centuries BC. Buddhism flourished here during this time. Buddhism was gradually replaced between the sixth and eighth centuries by the Hinduism which introduced the caste system.

http://inic.utexas.edu/asnic/subject/peoplesandlanguages.html

Although the Arabs attacked Sindh earlier, it was

http://www.travel-culture.com/pakistan/history.shtml

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/iranic_identity_of_mauryas1.php

He was a relation of king Sahasi of the Rai Dynasty of Sindh, whom Hiuen

Hope you will get some information from these link.it is sindh,it was sindh not india\hindustan\Baharat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)

You are too quick.i did not expect it that i would get answer ,it shows u love Wikipedia ,when i send you question i get answer an instant that is kinda awesom. i seen articel and you made good d improvment,i just seen lots of red colour tags? that means we have to write about those and create those articles too? then it will take months to complete it beacuse i add many tribes and those r red tag. Balouch orinentation living in sindh are called as Barouch(Sindhi but balouchi heritage),they hardly called as Balouch .Yeah Balouchi living in balouchistan are called Balouch even in Sindh but not us(who here for generations) yes i will teach you about My Heritage ,i wrote about it Khosa,Hooth,Rind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs)

Christmas

A Merry Christmas to you Anupam and a Happy New Year. I'll see you again in 2007. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Anti vandalism tool

how do you likr the tool I gave you. It think it saves some time, do you?--§Sir James Paul<<--wikiholic§ 01:15, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

It is nice to hear that you like it. Why don't you tell others about it, it will be helpful to them. Merry Christmas and god bless.--§Sir James Paul<<--wikiholic§ 17:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For your early Christmas greeting! Even in Australia it is still 30 hours away! I wish you a merry Christmas and Happy New Year likewise. Gizza^{Chat ©} 06:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you to brother!

Thank very much for that wonderful card and message dear Anupam. Sadly, I do not know how to make one myself, I don't have the skills. But by next year I will! ;)

For now, I want to say Merry Christmas to you and I hope you have a wonderful time with your family and get great gifts! ;)

Merry Christmas dear Anupam to you and your family! God bless! :D --- Parsiwan 08:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy X-Max

Marry Christmas Happy X-max Tree Thanx for Beautiful message\image. True ,one day jesus will come and Save us from Sorrows.May Allah Listen Your Prayers

Khalidkhoso 08:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

i was blocked and i do not know why.May be my IP address was used by some other user,at last they allowed to edit things are now i am back.Hope u r having Great Holidays ,after few days i will on leave too and will miss Wikipedia and You and some other users here. i liked those sindhi script sites that u sent me,i hope u must have put much efforts to find,it is great site ,i liked it.U always been Helpful to Me.

Hey did u listen that song "Come back Jesus Save the World?" by C brother(indian singers).

سداين گڏ (this is little bit incorrect ,i try to write in sindhi but could not find all words but i tryed to write .Hope u like it in its orignal form)

Khalidkhoso 07:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Anu ,i am here till saturday .Yeah i will use those templates when i am away from wikipedia.i am still search song,i think those lines in middle of song so i could not search it ,it been long time i heared that song.anyways i will send u some good songs,hey which language do u like to listen for songs and who r ur favourite singers? Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 10:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

merry x-mas

it's still the 23 where i'm from.--D-Boy 10:39, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

X-Mas

I wish you a merry X-Mas, too :) Tājik 14:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

And Merry Christmas to You

Thanks for the lovely holy day greeting, KP Botany 16:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Christmas

Merry Christmas to you too!! Mar de Sin ^{Speak up!} 17:18, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Hope you have a joyful Christmas.Bakaman 20:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your Christmas wishes. My best wishes to you also. - Taxman ^Talk 01:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, and wish you the very same love you presented me. Enjoy the festive season! Cheers!--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 06:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you, Anupam. Thanks for the greeting! Sarayuparin 07:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

To Anupam, happy holidays! and have yourself a merry Christmas!--NisarKand 12:04, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the greeting. A merry Christmas to you, too. –jonsafari 23:15, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Hindkowans

Hmm, that depends. Many do see themselves as Pathan or Pashtun, particularly people like Imran Khan. Others pride in their separate identity. I dont know, however, what Shah Rukh Khan identifies as, so I dont know what to call him. In any case, either's he's a Hindkowan or a Pathan, he cant be a Pashtun in the strict sense of the word, as he does not come from a family that follows Pashtunwali, nor is Pashto or Hindko his mother tongue. Dilip Kumar, however, is a Pashtun, as he speaks Pashto and actually hails from the North West Frontier Province. Afghan Historian 03:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Good call on salwar kameez

When there's a possibility of people arguing about who gets to be first, alphabetizing is the way to go. Nice solution. Thanks. Zora 04:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hindi

Hi Anupam, sorry, you were right. I guess I read the Ethnologue entry a bit too fast and saw only the "co-dialect" statement at the end of the 'Comments' paragraph. The sentence you refer to does in fact mention 'Hindi' and 'Urdu' as varieties of Hindi:

"Formal vocabulary is borrowed from Sanskrit, de-Persianized, de-Arabicized. Literary Hindi, or Hindi-Urdu, has four varieties: Hindi (High Hindi, Nagari Hindi, Literary Hindi, Standard Hindi); Urdu; Dakhini; Rekhta."

Precisely the argument Christopher King made in "One Language, Two Scripts". I'll be more patient in the future!! Sarayuparin 19:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Chand Raat

Anupam, the etymology of chand raat Sanskritic, as stated in article is basically correct. Is there an issue? Sarayuparin 23:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Anupam, I corrected the spelling of candra. Sarayuparin 00:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Interwiki

Hey. Please don't add interwiki links if on the other languages the articles have not been created. I am sure your intentions were good but, lately, I've seen a bots remove them a few times. It's not a big deal... just, the links are meant to show languages with actual articles--not possible ones. Thanks for your efforts with adding the scripts, however.  :) gren グレン 02:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

reply

You too, thanks for those christmas wishes by the way. Afghan Historian 00:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Happy Eid,Happy New Year

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Dear Anupam Happy New Year ,Chand Raat ,Happy Eid, Eid Saeed,Eid Mubarak

Dear Anupam,
HAppy New Year,Eid,Eid Mubarak,chand Rat to You and Your Family with Love .Sadin Gud,Allah Hafiz KhalidKhoso

Re: Chand Raat

No problem! Go ahead! Szhaider 00:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

New Year

I Hope You Have A Happy New Year Anupam!!!! ¿Why1991 ^{ESP. | Sign Here} 22:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I hope that you have a wonderful New Year and will party all night long. If you don't celebrate New year at this time well then happy early or late New Year and I still advise that you have a good time tonight!!! ¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here 22:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

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Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		This is for your Tireless work in reverting vandalism. Enjoy your new barnstar Sir james paul 22:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You deserve this so much. Anyone with over 2500 edits that does not have a barnstar deserves to get one. You also got it because you have had 300 or more edits every month for the last 6 full months and you have a lot this month also. Keep it up. Happy new year!!!!!!!. --Sir james paul 22:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• You should of known that even without a barnstar. I am sure that many people think that you are a great editor. Keep up the good work. --Sir james paul 22:52, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Anupam u Deserve this medal ,well wikipedian administrators are late but they realized u r worth. I was away for week could not touch computer(with internet).anyways Congratulations again

Khalidkhoso 04:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the template "Indo-Iranian nations"

However, you should also add a few other nations to the list, for example Uzbekistan (Persian-speaking Tajiks, ca. 30% of the population), Azerbaijan (Tati and Talysh), and Turkey (Kurdish and Zaza, more than 20% of the population), where significant Iranian-speaking communities live. Tājik 13:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		AnuPam You Deserve it and this was missing from your page.Thanks for being nice to me Khalidkhoso 04:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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Pashtuns

The problem is that the History of India discusses highly speculative history (such as the Mahajpandas) and is peripheral like the History of Iran. The article is already too broad in scope and needs to remain in the region of Pashtunistan. India's involvement is largely peripheral and not directly linked like that of Iran. As for the geography, well it's actually South-Central Asian and also culturally and linguistically closer to the Middle East (along with other Iranian peoples). The South Asian link comes from its association in the east with Pakistan and its eastern provinces as well as the legacy of British India. Also Indo-Aryans aren't an ethnic group and the genetic tests show that the links are actually with other Iranian peoples and the only Indo-Aryan speaking peoples related are the Hindkowans (whom I added myself). These references DON'T reflect what encyclopedia articles denote about the Pashtuns or reference books. The Pashtuns aren't a difficult to describe group, but I don't see how they are related to people such as the Bengali people. Related ethnic groups are immediately parallel geographically and include the Tajiks (closest), Hindkowans, Nuristanis, Dards, and a few others. Nor are the Iranian peoples an ethnic group so much as a series of ethnic groups who all seem to show a relatedness factor that does not link them directly to the Indo-Aryans who have long since separated and moved to India where they merged with local groups. Indo-Iranian is also a language group. The article I originally wrote was meant to make this clear. The Pashtuns are there own group and their relatives are those who live next to them. Indo-Aryans aren't for the most part, related. The article can't emphasize links that aren't particularly notable. Tombseye 05:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, your point about the Dards is a valid one. I think we should change it to the Pashai and Kohistanis which is more valid as they live in close proximity to the Pashtuns. I do agree that the Pathans of India are a large group, but my reason for not including them is b/c no encyclopedias do and neither do reference books. They COULD have an article of their own though, which may or may not work since the terminology used is confusing. By that I mean that many people in South Asia refer to Pashtuns as Pathans as well as referring to Hindkowans, Afghans in general and those of putative ancestry in addition. This makes things very confusing. I realize that people perceive things in terms of traditional views as well (while writing other articles with Khoikhoi we have come across views that are either nationalistic or simply veer away from encyclopedic standards) and so the Pathan/Pashtun divide may be disagreeable to some, but unless the usage changes in other encyclopedias, it will have to remain a reference to Pashto-speakers and others who are at least bilingual (which we've done). I will make the changes to the Dards as per your suggestion. Tombseye 05:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I believe I've come up with a compromise. I put in the History of India in the see also section so as to give added information about peripherally important articles. I also agree that a Hindkowan article will take care of the closest Pathan group. I believe I will start one soon. Maybe something rudimentary at first that can be added to later. Cheers. Tombseye 06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I just started the Hindkowans article, but just put stuff from the Hindkowan language into it. At some point we can all fix it up obviously. I just figured I'd get the ball rolling though. Cheers. Tombseye 06:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I will be Getting Different IP address now.,.....

Hello Anu how ru ,do u know how to create templets? if yes then lemme know i want to create few for myself too. i have problem,now i will be moving much of time so i will be getting different IP address every time,so tel me what to do,i do want to get blocked as i got last time?this will happen most offten and same IP address might be used by some one else too :{ Said Gud Khalidkhoso 13:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

OMG :P Anu, it is Realy Beautiful ,specially Sankarti(or Gurmukhi).i am bascailly one who support sindhi should have been in Sansakrti Script,anyways things are gone so i am ok with arabic script now too. Nop,do nt make changes ,keep it here on this link and add it to ur Page too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sindhi_Wikipedians

Sadin Gud

Khalidkhoso 06:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Anu U Forgot to add this to Your page :P Category:Sindhi Wikipedians

W salam i saw ur comments ,thanks .Yes u r true i do not have any Sindhi ancestry but we been living here for generation and i speak good sindhi and write,if i would not call myself sindhi then who will?If we c history then u will count in finger tips the number of Sindhi ancestry.No i am not Indo-Aryan at all. according to this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balouch , i am either Persians, Kurds, Arabs and other Iranian people.I belive that we are Arab ancestry.My grand mother was kurd. Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 10:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

check it out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Indo-Aryan_Wikipedians

Well,u may not be sindhi but sindhi is indo-aryan ,keep tag as ur Group mate lolz(indio-aryan unity)(just being funny)

Hey Anu in these both articles same data is used(both are showing same languages ,as i do not know much about it.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Iranian_languages

(The contemporary Indo-Iranian languages form the largest sub-branch of Indo-European, with more than one billion speakers in total, stretching from Europe (Romani) and the Caucasus (Ossetian) to East India (Bengali). SIL in a 2005 estimate counts a total of 308 varieties, the largest in terms of native speakers being Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu, ca. 540 million), Bengali (ca. 200 million), Punjabi (ca. 100 million), Marathi and Persian (ca. 70 million each), Gujarati (ca. 45 million), Oriya (ca. 30 million), Kurdish and Pashto (ca. 25 million each) and Sindhi (ca. 20 million).)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages

(SIL International in a 2005 estimate counted a total of 209 varieties, the largest in terms of native speakers being Hindustani (Hindi and Urdu, about 540 million), Bengali (about 200 million), Punjabi (about 100 million), Marathi (about 70 million), Gujarati (about 45 million), Oriya (about 30 million), and Sindhi (about 20 million), with a total number of native speakers of more than 900 million.)

Khalidkhoso 10:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Bye

I'm leaving. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 01:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• I am going to instead edit a little less so I have time to grow in my relation with god. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:53, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

how to Redirect

i have been working on this page since long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_tribes and i have written many tribe names but problem is that when i look for tribe i get other link and category which have few tribes names so can u help me to redirect that to my work?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Baloch_tribes(from this to below page \redirect) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_tribes(this final link).

Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 09:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Anu thanks for asking other user to join and use this

• Sindhi Template 1 {{User Sindhi Wikipedian}}

سنڌي सिन्धी	This user is Sindhi

on there pages

Sadin Gud

Khalidkhoso 18:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for comments but anu u r not understanding ,if they are allowed to use many tags then there will be 100 of tags and 100 of tags?i have few freinds in Jeay sindh (if they come up with tag and flag too)and some r in tarki pasand,SNMF,SNP and many more,do u want they all should have there tags and falgs on page?if then i will be the 1st to upload all pic makeing the page political but i am trying to make it neutral.that's why i used Ajruk ,which is not flag nor political stuff?

Khalidkhoso 12:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with ur comments of correction of grammer and Just showing one template that u created.it is on my watch list so i keep eye on it. Thanks for give us so much time me(and my topics). Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 04:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Tere Bin

I changed it back to your version. Note that the devanagari spelling of the name is incorrect. The "i" maatra is attached to the "n" letter and not the "b" letter; consequently, as currently written, it sounds "bənɪ" instead of "bɪn." Unfortunately, I don't know how to write in devanagari using unicode. (BTW, does it require special software?) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 08:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Anupam, for the Devanagari software! It works beautifully. Using it, I was able to correct the spelling of Tere Bin. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Page for protection

Hello Dear Anu do u like actor anupamkhir ,he is good actor BTW. i am here to ask u for help. this page is countious under attack by one user thinking as he owns page,every time i edit he does same.i ask him to disscuess he is try to make it more political then neutral. can u ask for protection of this page.i been on protection page but could not understand ,if u could do me favour please. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sindhi_Wikipedians

Khalidkhoso 14:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

At last i made it ,i have requested for page protection.

Khalidkhoso 14:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Dear read this.

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%2528199110%252931%253A10%253C938%253ATPOEIS%253E2.0.CO%253B2-V

http://www.umich.edu/~iinet/journal/vol4no1/karachi.html

http://www.ploughshares.ca/libraries/ACRText/ACR-Pakistan.html

http://www.jochen-hippler.de/Aufsatze/Nation-Building_in_Pakistan/nation-building_in_pakistan.html

It was an exclusively Muhajir party of secular, middle class orientation. Rumor has it that Zia ul-Haq’s Islamist government had a hand in setting it up, to subvert the power of the main opposition party, Benazir Bhutto’s PPP in Sindh. This cannot be confirmed, but the result was exactly that, as its existence led to a civil war in Karachi. The struggle for power between the Muhajirs and Sindhis in the province of Sindh became one of the major destabilizing factors in Pakistan, arresting economic development in the country’s main commercial and industrial center.

The Battlefields of Karachi: Ethnicity, Violence and the State

By Vazira Fazila-Yacoobali

Vazira Fazila-Yacoobali is a graduate student in Anthropology and History. Najeeb Jan is a graduate student in History.

Paramilitary rangers in armored vehicles warily patrol the narrow back-streets of a residential neighborhood in the city of Karachi, Pakistan. A few months ago the presence of state security forces would have surely ignited a fierce gun battle in this middle-class Muhajir locality, a strong support base for the Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz Party. But for now a weary calm prevails as boys playing cricket in the street move to make way for these guardians of a fitful peace. Muhajir (literally "migrant" in Urdu) refers to those Muslims from Central and Northern India who migrated to Pakistan at the time of Partition in 1947. Thousands of Muhajirs, largely from urban middle-class backgrounds, poured into Karachi, transforming this small trading town in the province of Sind into Pakistan's most important industrial and port city.(1) But recently, this rapidly expanding metropolis of eleven million inhabitants has become an urban theater for what many have described as a virtual civil war between the security forces of Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's government and a heavily-armed, ethnically-based political party, the Muhajir Qaumi Mahaz (MQM or Muhajir National Front), which claims to represent the interests of Karachi's six million Muhajirs.

Last year alone over 2,000 people were killed as a result of political violence. Entire Muhajir neighborhoods were transformed into battlefields as MQM youth fought with army rangers from the sandbagged balconies of apartment buildings. Despite government claims of having subdued the MQM militants, the death toll for 1996 has already reached 300.

Parties to the Conflict:

1) Government

As of October 1999, led by Chief Executive General Pervez Musharaf following the overthrow of the government of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in a military coup. Under the previous Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, the government engaged the Pakistani Police Force, Paramilitary ‘Rangers’, and troops from the Frontier Corps (Constabulary) in the conflict.

2) Armed groups: Several parties opposed to the government (and each other) are involved in the violence. These are seen to be primarily ethnic or religious groups. In addition, criminal elements, some working through the groups listed below, also contribute to the violence, a legacy of Pakistan’s involvement in the war in Afghanistan and the related drug trade. a) Sindh nationalists:

-Jeay Sindh (Qadir Magsi Group) (b) Mohajirs-based groups: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidkhoso (talk • contribs) 15:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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For the sindhis support of the MQM see the links. [2] [3] [4] [5].

This public meeting was held in Lyari Town which is mostly a sindhi-baloch speaking area.Sindhii 06:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have proposed a vote on the talk page of Category:Sindhi Wikipedians please respondSindhii 12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem has been solved see the talk page Category:Sindhi Wikipedians and by the way more on the sindhis support of the MQM see [6].Sindhii 16:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

VandalSniper

You've been approved to use VandalSniper. Please let me know if you have any problems getting it working. --Chris (talk) 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Doosra NPOV?

Sorry. I dont agree with you on this one. There is no need for the hindi text since the article is not about the Word, but the cricket throw. An introduction is only given because a Pakistani cricketer inventing the move. Hindi is not related to this subject. The Cricketers language is Udru, and he was using urdu when referring to the term. 20:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Unre4LITY

WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 1 - January 2007

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NPWatcher approval

You've been approved to use NPWatcher. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! Martinp23 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No problem - thank you for your interest in the program - there's currently one annoying bug which is caused by a dodgy internet connection the the Wikipedia servers, but this is likely to be a problem at the Wikipedia end rather than the user end. Thanks again, Martinp23 23:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read

Hi, You might want to read my post: Talk:Saare_Jahan_Se_Achcha#Words_and_Meanings and give your feedback there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You are invited to join WikiProject Dravidian Civilizations

Hello,

I have seen your editings on Tamil people and Dravidian people and would like to take the opportunity to invite you to our group. This group is open to all who are interested in contributing to any topic related to the Dravidian civilizations. If you are interested, please go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Dravidian civilizations and post your name in the Members section. Regards.

Wiki Raja 21:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

“

Thanks for inviting me to join the group. I will be glad to help out with the project. By the way, I was reading your userpage and find it to be very interesting. I saw some minor errors and took the liberty of fixing them. Urdu and Sindhi are generally considered to be Indo-Aryan languages. As a result, I moved them to that section of your chart and added Pashto and Tajik under your "Central Asian" section. For additional information, Sindhi is also written in Devanagari and Punjabi is also written in Perso-Arabic. I hope you don't mind. ;) With regards, AnupamTalk 22:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

”

Thank you for joining. Thanks for taking the time to look at my userpage. By the way, I was listing the Urdu, Hindi, Tamil, etc by script category rather than langauge. But, thanks for pointing that out since now I may be labelling them by script name to avoid confusion. (ie. Devanagiri (Indo-Aryan), Vattelutu (Dravidian, circular scripts)). Can you help me out here? What would be the name of the syle of script used for Urdu, Sindhi and Pashto which resemble Arabic? Thanks.

Wiki Raja 23:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey

Sorry I had to revert your edits to Pashtun people. I moved all the categories Category:Pashtun people, which makes it redundant to list them again on the main article. In regards, to the CE/AD thing, this guy once told me that "the preference of the first major editor should be adhered to." Since a great deal of article was written and expanded by Tombseye (he was the one who made it an FA), I think we should leave it how he originally had it (using "CE" instead of "AD"). Regards, Khoikhoi 22:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I see what you're saying. When the article was an FA, I remember that it used BCE/CE. As for your second point, I think it's not really an English issue, but more of a religious one. IMO, CE is more neutral and appropriate for Muslim topics, while AD is better for Christian topics. Phir milengay, Khoikhoi 03:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

A little Thank You on Dravidian people Talk page

Hello again,

Just wanted to let you know to check the Dravidian people Talk page for a little thank you note posted. Regards. Wiki Raja 01:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hindi Wikipedia

Namaste Anupam. Have you conisdered joining the Hindi Wikipedia? It is in terrible shape. Hindi is one of the top five spoken languages in the world yet there are other languages which are spoken by about a million people, such as Estonion and have a much better Wikipedia in terms of quantity and quality. Your help will be much appreciated. Dhanyabaad. Gizza^{Chat ©} 23:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ajam / Hajjam

I just wanted to let you know that I removed your description of the Indian usage of Hajjam from the Ajam page. The Indian term "hajjam" is derived from the Arabic word hijama (barbers and cuppers often shared jobs). Ajam is entirely different. I suggest you create a new article for [[Hajjam]. --Zayed1 06:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

can u please help me to create Balouch Templete and Category

Hello Anu ,long time no c? how r u ? how is life ? and every thing. hey can i have little more help from You. can You please create Balouch Wikipedian Category and templete(i will upload picture for it) for me and please do let me know how to create those stuff ,so that in future i would created myself too.

Khalidkhoso 07:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Devanagari script additions

I see you have been busy inserting devanagari script equivalents in a number of Buddhism related articles. Sorry to be critical, but are you aware that many of the items are spelt wrongly, especially the Pali ? I do also wonder about the wisdom of putting Pali equivalents in devanagari script -- most people don't read it in devanagari. --Stephen Hodge 11:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I was about to make the same point vis a vis the Pali. Pali is written in various scripts, and the Roman script version has no particular defects.—Nat Krause^{(Talk!·What have I done?)} 17:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your welcome message. NN 03:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Hi, I've started a RfC Talk:India#Request_for_Comment:_Adding_new_material_to_the_India_page_history_section. Any comments and feedback, at your convenience, will be welcome! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Sindhi_literature

Hello dear how are you ,how is life. I am good reader of Sindhi writers from India so I am in favor of Indian tag on this topic. Dear I want you keep eye on this topic, revert it when it is vandalized. I am glad to see on sindhi pages.

Khalidkhoso 20:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Good to know that you are Ok Anu.i was checking my page history some one vandalized my page anyways it happens here. You can see on my Discussion page I was on some other stuff.So could not send you Image for Balouch Wikipedian,rather say i am looking for Better Image or picture so that ,it should represent Balouch Community around the world. I will try to find good image as soon as possible and will inform you soon.

Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 22:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Beacuse of Your help ,i wrote LK advani name in sindhi script.

thanks to local Admins that they reverted my page before i was online .They are fast and dedicated to work .i wish that you be admin here too :P Khalidkhoso 22:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Anu i need your E-mail address(khalidkhoso2@yahoo.com)is mine .Yes script is incomplete i need to send you one sign that i can not find in Sindhi Scrip link you sent me long ago.Khalidkhoso 23:21, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

i have corrected Error now check it .It is correct Spelling in sindhi written in pakistan Khalidkhoso 23:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sure i will keep this page on my Watch List .sure i will translate both names into Sindhi Script written in pakistan Khalidkhoso 23:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I have add both names in Sindhi Script. Now we just have to defend it. :P Khalidkhoso 00:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Anu ,i think he was born in Hyderabad or Shikarpur,i have raised question [[7]],beacuse here we are told that he was born in Hyderabad not Karachi.what do you say about it ?Khalidkhoso 00:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Request for Peer Review

Hi there. Since you're on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan, I thought I should let you know, that've requested a peer review for the article on Zohra Daoud here. I'll appreciate your feedback, thanks.Zainub 13:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

hi

Do you know what this User_talk:Hkelkar#.D8.A2.D9.BE_.DA.A9.D9.88_.DA.A9.DB.8C.D8.A7_.DB.81.D9.88.D8.A7_.DB.8C.D8.AD.D9.88.D8.AF.D8.9F is (ie can you translate)?Bakaman 01:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

ArbComm

Dude you edits are being discussed at the India-Pakistan arbcomm case. Some fella is trying to make it sound as if you are a Hindutvadi....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/India-Pakistan/Workshop#Szhaider.27s_attack_on_Anupam

Do comment. Amey Aryan DaBrood^© 14:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi

It is clearly, found from the censis that more than 2lac Gabol r living in sindh aras (38,000 in ghotki, abt 1 lac in dadu, more than 30,000 in karachi and considerable population in hyderabad, nawabshah sukhar and jacobabad). About 40,000 in punjab including Alipur, Muzafargarh, Rajanpur, Deraghazi khan and Bahawalpur. Also found in Balochistan in some thousands. could'nt know about their num in syria and iran but gabol being domki took their name from Persian river Dombak. what do u think ? thanx.... Irfan Gabol 11:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikify it

Hello Anu how are ,how Have You been Dear Can you please check grammatical mistakes in this article [[8]].Sadin GudKhalidkhoso 19:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for working on Gabol page.i am thinking to start topic on Sai Kumar(indian Tollywood actor). Hope i will get some help from you. Khalidkhoso 18:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Little Help

Check it Anu[[9]].Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 19:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Just saw you in trouble so though to Help you.if my this Little Help can Help you not to get blocked.Sadin Gud Khalidkhoso 19:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

It is me who need to be thankful to you .You been helping me since Long time. Khalidkhoso 19:25, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank for making changes in Khosa and Sai Kumar Article. Khalidkhoso 12:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi Anu ,after long time.if you could have look on Sai_Kumar artilce again and please if you could upload picture too.Beacuse i do not know where to find free pic to upload it for wiki.Thanks Khalidkhoso 22:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

My Revert Ash Wednesday

My mistake, I must have accidentally double clicked RV cause I don't remember reverting that. Apologies.

Crazynas ^t 04:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, re: VP2 only people on IRC can use it (anyone can still use VP) so if you use IRC jump into #vandalproof and talk to me there.

Crazynas ^t 05:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Scripts in the infobox

Hi! I noticed quite a few articles of UP with Devnagiri and Urdu scripts in the infobox. [10]. The scripts make the header look ugly and so too the locator on the image. While drawing up the infobox we had come to the agreement to keep off scripts from the infobox due to rendering issues. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

from Nadir Ali

Hi Anupam.Look I'd like to apologise for sounding so agressive on the talkpages like I once did.It's just that I was so frustrated and feel strongly over the subject.

Though I still disagree over many of these issues,I agree we must discuss it in a civil way otherwise how are we to reach a compromise? best regards.--Nadirali نادرالی

No i didn't endorse blocking you.I endorsed warning users from adding misleading alphabets to a certain country's alphabets.Szhaider's proposal is not to block you.It is to warn others from adding these scripts. You are not being blocked for this.No one is proposing a block for you.

Consider it part of a disagreement.Thanks alot for accepting my apology.Best wishes to you.--Nadirali نادرالی

Re: WikiProject Punjab

"avid contributor to Punjabi realated articles" you say. I strongly disagree with this statement. My concentration is on Pakistan-related articles. Pakistani-Punjabi-related articles might have come in my way during my efforts to improve Pakistan-related articles. Anyhow thanks for pointing out another orphan project related to Pakistan. I am trying to organize and refine WikiProject Pakistan. After I complete this project, I will take deep look at WikiProject Punjab. If you have any suggestions in this regard, I will be pleased to know them. Szhaider 22:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your support. Szhaider 23:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concerns but WikiProject Punjab is very one-sided and very Indian at the moment. If you check out Portal:Punjab, you see Manmohan Singh as the only current selected biography. A Pakistani edge is required. And again, just like a project has no sense of ownership over articles, joining a project and helping it now and then doesn't mean you must neglect other projects. — Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 06:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sindhi wikipedian template

		The Template Barnstar
		It would have been impossible for me to create Sindhi wikipedian template with ajruk.it is you who deserve this Star,it is You creater of Sindhi wikipedian template. Khalidkhoso 01:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not know if other admire your work or not.But for sure I will and I am Admiring it.Welcome.Khalidkhoso 04:09, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Criteria for barnstar

Hi, I want to know the criteria of getting the barnstar if one have to apply for it aur it is rewarded by any authority. Abulfazl 09:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Re- Welcome

Hi Anupam, thanks for the warm welcome to Wikipedia, i appreciate that. As for joining WikiProject Pashtun i dont know if that a good idea. I by no means am any where close to being an expert on Pashtuns. Also with time constraints i dont think i can contribute as much as would be required for projects. Thanks for oferring though. If i do want to make a major addition/change to any Pashtun relatead article, i will discuss it with you on your talk page first, seeing that you are part of the project(hope you dont mind). IP198 00:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm Back

I'm back from a month long break from wikipedia. How are you doing? Have a nice week and god bless. --James, La gloria è a dio 01:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Urdu keyboard DYK

Thanks for your kind wishes.--IslesCape^Talk 13:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for editing Saare Jahan Se Achcha per my request. --Webkami 09:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

From Qadeer Mangrio

w salam

Anupam sahab !

bari nawazish aap ki sir lekin sir mery user page main koi hai kiya ? jo aap kah rahe hain ke thik karni hai wese sir mujhy to koi bhi galti nazar nahin aa rahe hai main na ya user hon agar kise bhi chez ki zaroorat pari to inshallah sab se pahly aap he se pochon ga

wese aap ko mery page galti kon se nazar aye

Qadeer Mangrio

Hey Qadeer Mangrio, it is Anupam nt Anupan. Khalidkhoso 19:35, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Tools

I know of a even better tool I told you before. If you want it you can find it on my monobook. God bless:) --James, La gloria è a dio 20:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Soorry for spell mistake

je sir Anupam han yeh to hai meri english bohat kamzooor aap bikul use thik kar sakty

aur yeh aap ki bari mehrbani hogi

sir aik aur baat main ne aik toptic creat kiya hai Abdul Raheem Grohirri us ka information box hai us ko bhi agar thik karadian de to bari mehebai hogi

Regards,

Mangrio^Talk

^thankx...

^{thankx anupum brother !}

^{bhai jan aap se yeh bhi pochna tha ke (|)symbol ka koi keyboard shortcut hai kiaya ?}

^{aur bhai main ne Dr. N. A Baloch or Nabi Bux Khan Baloch ka topic bhi creat kiya hai aap chek ker li jye ga}

^{abhi adhora hai is ko complete bhi karan ahai ...}

^{thankx again brother}

^Regards,

^MangrioTalk

Re:Images

Hi Anupam - actually you might want to ask at WT:INB - I don't know of any such websites. If nothing comes up, I suggest you upload a picture of the subject using the fair use policy - in the absence of free alternatives, the use of a copyrighted image is permissable if only for educational purposes and if it does not compromise the commercial value. Cheers, Rama's arrow 03:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Thankx again

thank you sir mery key Board main dar asla bana is tarqy se huwa hai ke do dot aik dosry ke opper nechy hain lekin abhi sab samjh main agay ajo nahin samjh main aya woh poch lon ga

Regard,

Mangrio^Talk

Heloo sir

Anupam Bhai !

sir kiya koi aisa tareka hai ke main apni topic naaam change kar sako

jese ke main ne misal ke toor per aik topic ka naaam TRIGATI diya hai ab badal ker TRIGHATI karna ho to kase karon

redirect ke ilawa koi aur tareqa hai

Mangrio^talk

I am back

I am back,Thanks for message on my page.I think Mangrio Sahib also needs ur help as i do :} . Khalidkhoso 20:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Anu, i have checked links you sent me.As Rama mentioned in here[[11]],we can take some images from these sites.http://www.dishant.com/cast/Sai-Kumar.html Dishant: Sai Kumar], Sulekha Movies: Sai Kumar,Raga Lahari: Samanyudu 100 days Function,Telgu Style: Return of the super cop,Tollywood Talk: Andhra university announced Docterate to chiranjeevi,Desi Hub: Telugu Movies's Weblog - 'Karalu Miriyalu' on TCV committee,Raja Lahari: An Interview with Sai Kumar,Tollywood: Sai Kumar Movies],[Tollywood News Updates,Chennai Online: A book on Tollywood producers.What do you suggest.Allah Khair Kari(Allah Wahi,Sadin Gud).Thanks for being so much supportive and helping.Khalidkhoso 20:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Dear Anu ,site that you sent me is not sai Kimar .Here is Sai Kumar [[12]] ,so under which license should I upload pic. Sadin Gud. Khalidkhoso 22:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

As Wednesday

Some info you pout in is true, but you write in these sweeping generalizations. Much of what you put is Anglican tradition, in Anglican language, in internal Anglican controversies. .OK, but thats's not how Catholics do it, or Orthodox. Lutherans and Calvinists have liturgies too, even if ytou don't consider them "strict." HarvardOxon 03:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

"Liturgically, Lent ends with the first hours of Holy Thursday, when the Sacred Triduum begins," how is this ambiguous? The Triduum remain penitential days: that's not synonymous with "Lent." As for phraseology on the other question, why does there need to be anything inserted in what is already there at all? Many "low church" Christians also have some sort of blessing rite for ashes.HarvardOxon 04:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Umm, the Catholic Encyclopedia text quoted is from the 1911 edition....It's a century old. You will find a multitude of references in it that read as though the 20th Century never happened, because, in fact, it hadn't happened when it was written!. We've been through the 1917 vast revision of the Code of Canon law, the 1983 second vast revision, the revision of the Missal of Pius X, the second revision, particularly for Holy Week, of Pius XII, the post Vatican II complete revision of all liturgies, and several major adjustments in the 1980s and 1990s, the Second Vatican Council itself, and NINE popes since then. Things change. read the wikpedia article on Maundy Thursday itself...it mentions clearly that Holy Thuirsday is now the most usual use in the RCC.HarvardOxon 04:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you

thank you Anupam bhai !

mery english bohat kamzoor hai is topic to bohat hain lekin english ke waja se ban he nahin rahe hain

wese main

sd.wikipedia.org

per kuch topic bana raaha hon kiyon ke wahan per to english ke zaroorat nahin parti lekin inshallah jo topic acha ban gaya us main se aap ko changes ka wa lon ga

Regards,

Mangrio^Talk

Evolution

Hey! I am back from my block:) Just to let you know I have left a comment on the Evolution talk page. I thought you may want to comment. God bless:) --James, La gloria è a dio 00:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks. Have a nice week and god bless:) --James, La gloria è a dio 02:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Lutheran Liturgy / Divine Service

Greetings, and thanks for the message. My biggest difficulty with the "Divine Service" article is its definate Missouri Synod bias--even the name, "Divine Service", is decidedly Missouri Synod terminology. If I ever do get around to working on a Lutheran liturgy page (or pages), I would like to be a bit more broad based (and, admittedly, my own knowledge of Lutheran liturgy comes much more from an ELCA-esque perspective). Right now, I think my own Wiki-contributing priority would be on improving / expanding the United Church of Christ page and related topics, but when/if I ever do get around to that, I certainly would like to expand / add more content related to both Lutheran liturgy and Reformed liturgy/worship. Peace, Emerymat 02:24, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter: Volume II, Issue 2 - March 2007

Project News Plagiarism by the Times of India: Recently it was noticed that the Times of India, the world's largest distribution daily had systematically plagiarised many of Wikipedia's biographies on members of the Indian cricket team among other cricketers on its website, sometimes with errors propagated (details). After discussion and discovery of further plagiarisms in other fields, the issue reached the admin noticeboard archived here. Jimbo's visit to India and the WikiCamp in Chennai: Jimbo recently visited India in late February and early March on wiki work. This included a trip to a WikiCamp in Chennai. The one day conference attracted 300 participants from across India and beyond dealt with issues facing wikis ([13]). It was widely covered by the press, eg The Hindu( [14]), which cited the efforts of Bhadani (edit count), Sundar (leadership on Tamil Wikipedia) and Ganeshk (Creation of Ganeshbot to create articles on Indian towns from census figures). Ganeshk himself travelled from California to attend the conference. Wikipedia Weekly 15: Wikipedia Weekly, a informal Wikipedians' program that purports to give "A weekly audio roundup of Wikipedia happenings with news, interviews and roundtable discussions" recently interviewed two prominent editors Rama's Arrow and Ragib(listen). The entire 34 minute interview was entirely about the world of Indian subcontinent wiki-happenings, and was the first episode which was not entirely dominated by discussion of wiki-politics and wiki-bureaucracy, with the host Witty lama praising the efficiency of the project and its proliferation of featured content. Rama's Arrow cited the team spirit, friendship and respect among project members in discussing its success and FA productivity, as well as discussing subcontinental wiki-conflict. Ragib talked also of his public campaign to raise awareness of the Bengali Wikipedia in his native Bangladesh, which has seen a 30-fold increase in article count over the past year. Arbitration: Three cases are either in progress or have recently ended. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan regarding the activities of various Indian and Pakistani editors on pages related to Indian subcontinent history topics, the national status of various pre-Partition figures, and edit-warring over Indic scripts and WikiProject tags was held and concluded in late February- early March. As a result of this, four Pakistani users, Siddiqui, Szhaider, Nadirali and Unre4L were all banned for one year for disruption via edit-warring and confrontationalism. Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sathya Sai Baba 2 regarding a dispute over the article of the religious teacher closed in early March with four users indefinitely banned from the article. Currently, Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Freedom_skies is in the evidence phase. It is concerned with the editing of Freedom_skies, who edits articles on ancient Indian history, primarily civilisation articles such as Indian mathematics and related articles, as well as Buddhism articles such as Pusyamitra Sunga, as well as those pertaining to the propagation of Mahayana Buddhism to China such as Bodhidharma and Zen. What's New? Featured and Good Content: Eight articles: Vijayanagara Empire (nom), Delhi (nom), Pashtun people (nom), Nathu La (nom), Harbhajan Singh (nom), Hoysala architecture (nom), Harbhajan Singh (nom), Technopark, Kerala (nom) and Western Chalukya Empire (nom) were featured from our WikiProject recently, since our last edition. 'Dineshkannambadi has been a phenomenal force in the production of FAs recently, being responsible for three of these eight articles. He has totalled five FAs, all relating to Kannada history. Three portals: Portal:Hinduism (nom), Portal:West Bengal (nom) and Portal:Kerala (nom) were also featured. There were two additional GAs, Murali Kartik and Bhagat Singh. Congratulations to all contributors who helped to develop the above content to represent the best of Wikipedia! Need some help? Are you stuck at a point where admin help is needed? There are 21 Indian Administrators in Wikipedia at the last count. If you need some help with anything related to WikiProject India, they are just a couple of clicks away! Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard Requests: Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Irrigation in India, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, Grand Hyatt Hotel, Mumbai, Bhagat Ram Talwar More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. 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Spy Wednesday

Hmm...going through the talk pages, I'm not sure if the move would be non-controversial. Please set up a feedback (move proposal) on the talk page of the article as given here. Then list it on WP:RM, and let us see if there are any objections to the move.--thunderboltz^(TALK) 04:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Comment

Hi Anupam. I saw the change that you made in the English spelling section in Salwar Kameez to Hindustani from Hindi. The problem is that section is talking about the pronounciation difference in Hindi alone, so Hindustani is not correct. Also the website you posted regarding it be called a "Punjabi suit" is not credible. It lists erroneously that the salwar kameez orginates from North India, when it actually comes from Central Asia. I think it is only called a Punjabi suit in India, as in Pakistan it is common in every province for both men and women. IP198 16:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay i see the reason why you put Hindustani in instead of Hindi. I will just change the the title to Hindi-Urdu, hope you dont mind. However for the punjabi suit i dont agree with it being in the intro. Some people also call it the pathani suit. [[15]] we cant gift it to the Punjabis. In Pakistan no one calls it a punjabi suit because it is common in every province of Pakistan. we should mention who calls it a Punjabi suit, and put that information in another paragraph. IP198 19:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I dont mind both terms being in the intro but other users, such as User:Fowler&fowler, have objected to this and have stated that they dont belong in the intro. IP198 19:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

ok thats fine with me.IP198 20:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Indian collaboration of the week news

As mentioned in Wikiproject India newsletter of March 2007, the weekly collaboration of the Indian wikiproject has fallen from its once high feats. This message is to request the users to visit the collaboration page and help rejuvenate it.

The present collaboration of the week is Religion in India. Please go through the talk page of the article to see the proposed changes in the article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

RE:Hello

Thanks for message Anu. How have you been doing. I am doing well, I was watching few article and removing vandalized stuff from it. I often used to see your contribution but i have not seen you in while either. I was thinking to ask you working in article and making that article one of best in wiki?Waiting to listen positive response..oooh,I could not see that stuff in Your Tube because it is blocked from my office.Khalidkhoso 04:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Anu,topic it is Shah Abdul Latif.Since i was looking to send you Book on it.Khalidkhoso 05:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Anu. Khalidkhoso 04:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

WP Christianity

Hi, I saw your name on the WikiProject Christianity Membership page.

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Kurów

Could you please write a stub http://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w - just a few sentences based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kur%C3%B3w ? Only 3-5 sentences enough. Please.

PS. Article about Kurów is already on 175 languages. If you do that, please put interwiki link into English version. If your village/town/city isn't yet on PL wiki, I can do article about it. (I'm first author of requests) Pietras1988 ^TALK 17:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Rohilkhand

OK, will look for one. It will likely be Rohilkhand (or Barielly Division) as a part of the United Provinces. Will let you know when I upload it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Image deletion

No problem. You can also add {{db-author}} to the page for a speedy job.--thunderboltz^(TALK) 06:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

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Irfan Pathan

I noticed that you added Hindu/Urdu scripts to the article. Is there a particular policy on adding different language scripts on categorised articles? If yes, can I see the policy pages? --Zamkudi 12:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Devanagari spelling

Hello. I think adding Devanagari script where it's relevant like you did is a very good idea since it's more informative than romanizations but I noticed you made a lot of mistakes. If you have any doubt ask somebody who edited articles such as Devanagari or Hindi. I even remarked such wrong spellings uncorrected for a long time. Could you make a list of the Devanagari edits you did? I'm ready to spend time correcting them when needed.

Also what's the point of adding dead links to Hindi articles as you did several times? BernardM 20:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

BernardM, thanks for your concern. I am able to fluently speak Hindi/Urdu but I am just a beginner with the scripts. My edits are viewable here. Once you have my contributions open, click on the Edit button on your toolbar and then click Find. In my edit summaries, I generally used added hindi/urdu scripts or added hindi. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 03:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

That's exactly what I had started to do but you have made a lot of edits so it's long and difficult. You know better than anyone the articles on which you added such info. BernardM 16:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Kashmiri Categorization.

Hello, I would just like address the Kasmiri linguistic categorization, it is extremely missleading to call the language Indo-Aryan and labelling it as 'North western'. Dardic also does not belong in the Northwestern subgroup. Dardic is a distinct group seperate to Indo-Aryan. Your classification is almost as absurd as placing Pushto in the Indo-Aryan group. The sources on the internet are predominantly Indian (hindu) and biased around Indian culture, most say that Non-Indian linguistic scholars who labelled kashmiri as Dardic were wrong and ignored its heavy sanskrit influences. However they totally ignore the fact that for the past 700 years, Kashmir valley has been predominantly muslim and 90% of koshur speaking people are also muslims, and have adopted persian scripts and are influenced heavily by Persian. A minority are misrepresenting the majority here, and it isn't fair.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Abdelchi (talk • contribs) 11:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC).

Mehfil

Hello, can you please add the Urdu script at Mehfil? (Or is it the same as the Arabic?) It's apparently an Urdu word, though Hindi people use it as well. Many thanks, Badagnani 09:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Great, thank you very much! It looks like the same spelling as the Arabic, just a different font. Badagnani 17:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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100-word list for your Mother tongue

Good day! Could you help me and provide translations for the following 100 basic word in your mother tongue. Not in the standard Hindi but in your native local variety (dialect) if you (used to) speak any (and then indicate please how you call it and precise location like state – district – town/village). If there are synonyms or known dialectal variants provide them with comments if possible. Also please indicate if you know that certain words are borrowing. You can fill in right here using either IPA transcription or some other spelling you like (just describe your conventions). Thank you in advance! --Koryakov Yuri 12:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• I, me –
• thou (you, singular) –
• we –
• this –
• that –
• who? –
• what? –
• not –
• all –
• many –
• one –
• two –
• big –
• long –
• small –
• woman –
• man (adult male) –
• man (human being) –
• fish –
• bird –
• dog –
• louse –
• tree –
• seed –
• leaf –
• root –
• bark (of a tree) –
• skin –
• meat (flesh) –
• blood –
• bone –
• fat –
• egg –
• horn –
• tail –
• feather (of a bird) –
• hair –
• head –
• ear –
• eye –
• nose –
• mouth –
• tooth –
• tongue –
• claw (nail) –
• foot –
• knee –
• hand –
• belly –
• neck –
• breast(s) (of a woman) –
• heart –
• liver –
• drink (verb) –
• eat (verb) –
• bite (verb) –
• see (verb) –
• hear (verb) –
• know (verb) –
• sleep (verb) –
• die (verb) –
• kill (verb) –
• swim (verb) –
• fly (verb) –
• walk/go (verb) –
• come (verb) –
• lie (down) (verb) –
• sit (verb) –
• stand (verb) –
• give (verb) –
• say (verb) –
• sun –
• moon –
• star –
• water –
• rain –
• stone –
• sand –
• earth –
• cloud –
• smoke –
• fire –
• ash –
• burn (trans. verb) –
• road (path) –
• mountain –
• red –
• green –
• yellow –
• white –
• black –
• night –
• warm (hot) –
• cold –
• full –
• new –
• good –
• round –
• dry –
• name –

Spelling in Bollywood article

Hello. I had removed Devanagari and Nastaliq spellings from the Bollywood article because it made sense to me, and I did so only after trying to discuss this point on talk page. If you feel I'm wrong, please answer me on Talk:Bollywood#Devanagari and Nastaliq spellings of the word "Bollywood". If you prove me wrong I won't insist. BernardM 16:08, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Anu how you been

Hello Anu How are you. it been long time. by the way thanks for [[16]] doing this. I can see you are keeping eye on few articles.Khalidkhoso 11:16, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Urdu in articles

Thanks for the reply...

• I will stop removing Urdu from userboxes.
• However, I feel that Bollywood film are made for the Hindis however due to a similiar vocubalary the Urdus, Gujaratis and the Punjabis. Possibly this should be mentioned in the actual Bollywood article. It's also like how Tamil films dominate in the South, with Kannadans and Keralans watching them without dubbings....

Universal Hero 10:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgive me for getting into this, but what kind of strange analogy is this? I am a Malayalee, and I can truthfully say that many Malayalees do not understand spoken Tamil (including the Tamil in Kollywood movies), even though Malayalam and Tamil are linguistically very similar. If even such closely related languages are not mutually intelligible, imagine how much harder it must be for e.g. a Gujarati-speaker (who speaks no Hindustani) to watch Bollywood films without subtitles! (Gujarati is less closely related to Hindustani than Tamil is to Malayalam.)

I think the only people who can watch any such films without dubbing or subtitles are those who can understand the language of the films very well. --Kuaichik 07:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Saare Jahan Se Achcha

Hi Anupam, Since you are one of the few consistent contributors on that page, could you please look at my post here on Ragib's talk page. Ragib is apparently taking a long wiki break. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi Anupam, The sentence about popularity in RoI really belongs to the third paragraph and I have moved it there. The reason is very simple; the song is about Hindustan (ie. RoI, Bangladesh and Pakistan) and therefore its popularity in all three countries needs to be mentioned in one place. The same with the national anthems. It was written for Hindustan (which included Bangladesh and Pakistan). The fact that it is more popular in RoI now doesn't take away the original meaning of the song. That is why not only the anthems of RoI but of all successor states of "Hindustan" (i.e. Bangladesh and Pakistan) need to be mentioned as well. If "Pride and Prejudice" tomorrow becomes the number one novel in India, that will not merit a mention in the lead paragraph of the novel's page. The same with SJSA; it was notable before Independence and would have merited a Wikipedia page whether or not it remained popular in RoI or lost popularity in Pakistan. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Mmm I'm User:Shshshsh or Shahid if you want. Not universal hero. This discussion there is too long and I actually didn't find the relevance to the Veer-Zaara page. I don't have a problem to put Urdu, but are you sure it was in Urdu too? I saw the film and don't really remember that. Best regards, --Shahid • ^Talk2me 23:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Shukria

I'm actually somewhat busy myself, so you don't have to apologize to me. In fact, thanks for all you do on Wikipedia, too! :) --Kuaichik 04:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Oooops. Ma'af keejiye...I think I took that post out of context :-D Yes, certainly, I agree that a Gujarati-speaker (for example) could find more similarities between his language and the language of a Bollywood film than, say, a Tamil-speaker. And I also strongly agree on the use of both Devanagari and Nasta'liq. --Kuaichik 06:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Note: The previous post was made more than a day (1 1/4 days, in fact) before I signed it! --Kuaichik 06:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I am glad you see the relevancy of both Hindi and Urdu in Bollywood articles. Sometimes, there are people who don't despite the references.

I know, really! When they're watching, say, Lagaan, don't they ever happen to notice that the name of the movie typically (or "often"?) appears in Roman script, Devanagari, and Nasta'liq before the other credits? Maybe next time somebody raises the issue, you could say, "Hey, buy a Bollywood movie tonight and see what scripts are used to give the name of the movie in the credits!" :-P --Kuaichik 05:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Yunus

Hello. We did have a conversation on Yunus being a Hindkowan didn't we? Also, the reference barely talked about him which was also odd. Anyway we can't include him. Tombseye 14:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hindustani

Yes I am interested, but the template box is useless unless the red links have articles for them. I just adapted the Bengali version.Maquahuitl 20:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I want to have a separate taskforce, at least, for the Hindi group of languages. It is a huge region and there are several inter-related articles. They cannot be done without a coherent approach.Maquahuitl —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maquahuitl (talk • contribs) 08:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar Award

I have awarded you abarnstar for your ongoing contributions to Wikipedia articles. Keep up the good work! Wiki Raja 03:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Urgent: India page

Hi Anupam, Since you are one of the people who made substantial comments in the last RfC we had on the Talk:India page concerning addition of new material (see here), I thought I would get your opinion about a new development. Yesterday, out of the blue, Blnguyen, who has no history of editing on the India page, made a post on the page suggesting that the India page be expanded to twice its size, which needless to say, has created a lot of confusion. Please see this section of the talk page there. As a result, User:Sarvagnya, for example, has returned to his scheme for de-constructing the India page. (By way of background: Nichalp, who usually watched over the article is busy this summer; Ragib, who was subbing for Nichalp is busy too. Blnguyen seems to think that the page is in bad shape and is about to be de-FA'd. He feels that it needs many more citations (and their lack) is reason enough for it to fail an FAR. Nichalp, when he was active, discouraged over-crowding the text with too many citations (especially when the text was composed in the summary-style, as India is). I think Blnguyen has some valid points: the page needs more (and certainly better) citations and the prose (especially of some new sections that were created by other people) needs revamping, but I think you might be in a better position to assess Blnguyen's idea of expanding the article to twice its size.) Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Sir

How r u ? sir !

hope will be fine n fresh

i again statr work at english wikipedia. you r my like teacher here in wikipedia.

Qadeer Mangrio —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehran Mangrio (talk • contribs) 07:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

sir

aap ko bhi ramzan mubarak ho

--Mangrio 08:12, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Jammu and Kashmir

The official language of the state is Urdu. If we are going to add Hindi because its the official language of the union, then we have to add Hindi to Tamil Nadu, Punjab, Andhra Pradesh, Assam, Goa, Gujarat, Karnataka, Kerala, Maharashtra, Manipur, Mizoram, and West Bengal. Also Jammu and Kashmir is a disputed state, so adding Hindi because it is the official language of India is pov, unless the JK goverment declares it as an official language. IP198 18:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for welcome. (Stateofart 13:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC))

Rre:Hello

Hello Anu Thanks for wishing me Eid,yeah it been long time no we can have talked. I am doing fine and things are going good in my life. no I have not heard about that movie, I like new movies from KTN(it is 1st sindhi TV, after that now there are more then 5 TV related to sindhi language).

any thing new in your life. Regards (I can see you have forgotten to say SadinGud) Khalidkhoso 08:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

BSreddy changes

See Talk:India#BSReddy_changes WhisperToMe 06:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Help needed in Hindi

Hello ! I am currently working to improve the article on the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film, and I need your help. How do you write in Hindi the title of the movie Salaam Bombay! ? Best regards. BomBom 15:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

• Wow ! Thanks a lot for your extraordinarily fast answer ! I have been working on a new version of the article on my sandbox, and have been trying to list each film in its original title, so thanks for helping me. BomBom 17:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanksgiving

I am free to remove anything I wish, unsourced or not, thank you very much. Thanksgiving is a secular holiday, and the source you provided speaks only of the holiday's historical context. The indirect object of "give", as in "give thanks", can be God, Gaia, dead relatives, Lady Luck, Wakan Tanka, NASDAQ - take your pick. Ichormosquito (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Your latest source only confirms that thanking God is an essential part of the holiday for George W. Bush, his family, and a few Virginians. Ichormosquito (talk) 20:36, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Siraiki language

Siraiki in itself is a language. Why would you present name of one language (Siraiki) in the script of second language (Hindi) on a website of third language (English)? Does it even make any sense? Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 01:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

You are again self-contradictory as before, neither Sindhi nor Punjabi has any mention of Urdu. Did you even read those articles or are you too busy fighting with others? Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

There were no references. And who gives you authority on these matters? What is your qualification to make such baseless claims? Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 06:16, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I am still curious about your academic qualifications. Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Whatever you removed was a gesture of support for you, brother. Anyways, I am still curious about your academic qualifications. Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 00:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

What the hell did that suppose to mean? I'd appreciate if you stopped communicating with me unless deadly urgent. Believe me, I hate you! (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Your languages...

This will most likely seem like a newb question, but those language tags on your main page: do those mean that you know English, Hindi, Urdu, Spanish, and Arabic? If so, I find that slightly amazing. --Yoshiroshin (talk) 01:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Louisiana Baptist University

An article that you may be interested in, Louisiana Baptist University, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louisiana Baptist University (2nd nomination). Thank you. TableManners ^U·T·C 04:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks:-)

Thanks for welcoming me back. I did have a great christmas..of course;-) I hope you did as well.--SJP (talk) 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hookah article

Dear Anupam, Please read the discussion, "names in different languages" section, and tell me why you changed my edit?! I understand that you are Indian, but Wikipedia is not your weblog! If this is what you want, please kindly delete the whole "History" section, write your own version of history and then include "Hindustani" (and other) names at the beginning of the article. 115.132.187.95 (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Anupam

Happy New year Pls help me to circulate this appeal- if any body/ or few of You brilliants who reside in North India can tell me about newspapers in India like Punjab Kesari, Dainik Bhaskar , Rajasthan Patrika , Navjyoti ? or few famous news papers of Jaipur , Rajasthan , Punjab Their circulation or popularity . & if any body of you know Hindi. or interested to explore different/ all or specific religion , philosophy , poetry etc . I want your help to translate some few 50 line of Hindi news to English. Pls. Gift your name to me on my talk page please Regards - --Dralansun (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Canvass

Hi Anupam, I just wanted to drop you line about your post on my talk page... it was unnecessary as I have the OWU pages watched... that being said, your requests for input is actually a violation of wp:canvass because you are only contacting people who share your perspective.Balloonman (talk) 02:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

PS I just posted a warning to both you and luckyowu on the OWU talk page... if you two continue this edit war, you may be blocked.Balloonman (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Taskforce

Yaar nobody replies when I post requesting for people to create a Taskforce. :(
I have also asked for people asking to create a WP:uttar pradesh and rather just create a WP for all the states of India(since anyway we have it for some of them) and let people join at different rates.Maquahuitl (talk) 11:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually on second thoughts, I am more interested in having a Taskforce of Hindustani and allied languages(Hindi, Urdu and Hindi languages, foreign Hindi languages, creoles, etc.). Since yesterday I have been browsing through Hindustani-related articles and besides being in a dispute related to the material, they are in a big mess in their categorisation. Categories are recursively defined, and there are several garbage pages and other pages whose titles must be changed. Here is my navigation box for Hindustani:

Maquahuitl (talk) 18:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Please have a look at the message posted on my talk page by Tuncrypt, and then his reply to my reply to it on his talk page. He just talks arrogantly, and even though I took care to deal his points carefully, he says "most of what you've said is incomprehensible and nonsensical anyway". This kind of attitude will only make new contributors like me disgusted, and we're just going to leave wikipedia instead of facing humiliation. Administrators should help new people groomed in the environment of wikipedia rather than blackmailing people that "your changes and templates will be deleted". Even after asking him to talk to me as a friend, he was more interested in showing his arrogance. Maquahuitl (talk) 12:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

What difference does my so-called arrogance make as to what's right and wrong? That's what at issue. If you go around being sore all the time, worrying about getting your feelings hurt, you're not going to get much done.

And so it's true, pretty much everything in your replies to my points does "veer off into the inconsequential and incomprehensibly nonsensical". Your reply to my first point simply repeats what I said in the first place. Your reply to my second point is even more senseless, where you're basically just talking to yourself. Third reply is not senseless, but nonetheless inaccurate. Hindustani is the shared colloquial base between what have become Hindi and Urdu. Trust me, I know this, I contribute heavily in linguistics, having much relevant academic material in my possession. Rather than Hindustani > Hindi+Urdu, the correct scheme is as follows: "Western Hindi" > Khari Boli > Hindi+Urdu (in which H'stani is their shared colloq. base). Your reply to my fourth point again shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Here are your non-Khari Boli dialects. Lastly my fifth point was to point out that while Hindi and Urdu both have the same grammar and other things (being registers of Delhi's Khari Boli dialect), it is the general topic of literature that is the very thing that constitutes their differences, so naturally grouping literatures together as such would be the most incomprehensible thing of all. As for Premchand, classifying him as both an author of Hindi and Urdu is not silly; that is what he was. He didn't classify himself, nor others him, as an "author of Hindustani". When one wants to express thoughts beyond the most basic, one must delve into Urdu or Hindi. Overall it would seem that the confusion lies between the terms "Khari Boli" and "Hindustani". Khari Boli is a dialect, a grammatical construct, not necessarily concerned with choices of higher vocabulary, and so it is the thing under which Urdu and Modern Standard Hindi can be subsumed, while Hindustani is concerned with vocabulary, specified shared colloquial vocabulary, and so it falls as a term to describe parts of Hindi and Urdu, not the other way around.

As stated in my reply, I hope to tackle the inaccurately inflated status accorded to "Hindustani" on Wikipedia. For example, a page like this need not exist. As I've said before, "Hindustani" is not a literary language but a shared colloquial basis of others, and more importantly, these things can be, and for the most part are, dealt with on the respective Urdu and Devanagari pages. Overall the Hindi/Urdu domain of pages are very much a mess. Tuncrypt (talk) 18:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanx

Lots of thanks for your compliment for portal Uttar Pradesh.
Sayed Mohd Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a lot for your supportive words, or else my confidence and enthusiasm would have taken a severe beating.

The most important issue that we need to discuss and understand is the semantics of the word, or rather the term, 'Hindustani'. That includes historical usages as well. I will write about this on the main talk on the India discussion page; please check there as well.
You said something: Before the partition of India, Hindustani traces itself back to Hindavi Now I don't know how much of this is true. Before this sentence you said that Hindi and Urdu derive from Hindustani. Now Hindustani itself derives from Hindavi. As far as my knowledge goes, before the development of the Sanskritised standard in the late 19th century, Hindi, Urdu, Hindustani, Hindavi all referred to the same language and the particular form, which now is known as Urdu. I am not sure who used the term khadiboli. It is obvious from the term itself that Mughals surely wouldn't have used it since for them it would have made little sense what khadi is in the boli(khadiboli means rougher dialect). It would surely have come from native people in regions who were in constant touch with the people of the region speaking khadiboli- their immediate neighbours, who could have been either Awadhi speaking, to the East, or Braj bhashis, to the South. Now I really don't understand what Hindavi means and if it means some thing already considered, then who used it.
Regarding your quoted statement from the North Carolina Univ., I agree to the Hindi part, i.e. that Hindi was "chosen" from a "base" of Hindustani with Sanskrit vocabulary, specifically. However, the statement tells little about the fact that Urdu as a standard was already well-established at that time and therefore for Pakistan, distinguishing between Hindustani and Urdu made little sense. In fact it was in India where it took some time after independence for people to accept the term Hindi and say it to be their mother tongue. See the bottom of this link from GoI- I hope you understand this subtle point I am trying to make. Maquahuitl (talk) 20:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

What I meant by my sentence was that Hindavi was an earlier name for Hindustani

Yes, therefore I shall just be tagging those articles right now, and the discussion about the actual merger, etc. can keep going on. Apart from that, I hope you must have noticed that Tuncrypt has overwritten my box entitled "Topics related to Hindustani(Hindi-Urdu) diasystem" to "Topics related to Hindi". So now Hindustani topics is actually a redirect to Hindi topics. I say keep all arguments and debates on Hindustani, Hindi, Urdu, etc. aside, couldn't there have been just more boxes as it pleased- i.e. a "Hindi" box and an "Urdu" box by him, and then a discussion on the usage and utility of all three could have been carried out. Why was there a need to overwrite the box which I created. I found an interesting page in the Wikipedia namespace, see if you find it interesting too. Maquahuitl (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Mangarpal

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Hindustani and allied languages

I created the project page keeping in mind the fact that a coherent approach towards the Hindi languages and its associated creoles is needed. However I now doubt whether it will attract enough people. Moreover with so much of controversy surrounding Hindi,Urdu and the rest, I now doubt if it will be fruitful at all. Kindly delete the page if you agree with me, or please get it by someone else. I am sorry for the mistake. Maquahuitl (talk) 15:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Bihari people

Though the intention surely was reducing confusion, your merger of Biharis to Bihari people was probably not very appropriate. There are millions and millions of Bihari people living in Bihar, who should be identified as linguistic and geographic group. The Biharis/Bihari Muslims/Stranded Pakistanis ideally is identified as a political and religious entity. This is not a regular diaspora. Besides, over-riding the discussion (which is put to WP:RFC) and bringing is a completely new set of consideration without going through the problem first was slightly disruptive. May be you should participate in the discussion first. There are other editors taking part in the discussion, and there is no harm in being respectful to that community effort. Thanks. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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Indo-Iranian template

Please have a look at Template:Indo-Iranian_languages which has had major contributions from a user called Zaheen. I've posted some comments on his talk page. Kindly have a look. I was reluctant to make changes so as not to get into a clash with someone again. Maquahuitl^talk! 15:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections

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Romani people in India?

Salaam! I just noticed that you had added an estimate on the Roma people article for the number of Romanies in India, nearly a year ago [17]. I know it's sourced, but it's based on the number of Banjara in India. The Banjara aren't Romani per se, though they may be closely related. According to Prof. Hancock, at least, there are no Romanies known to live in India.

Anyway, I was just wondering whether it would be OK if I removed that estimate. --Kuaichik (talk) 00:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

This page in a nutshell: The Banjara are closely related, but they may not actually be Romanies. Also, there are probably other Romanies in India no one knows about. But hey, I could be missing something, too :)

Yes, I thought this might be the reason. I suspect that is a mistake on the part of that website, but I could be wrong :-P

I would guess the Banjara could easily be confused with Romanies, because they are thought to be closely related. In Prof. Hancock's theory, the Romanies are descended (partly) from Rajputs whom the Ghaznavids took as prisoners of war. The Banjara have a legend that they, too, are descended from Rajputs who fought against the Ghaznavids.

In fact, apparently part of the legend says that some of the Rajput soldiers left (as prisoners) through the Hindu Kush, and those who remained in India formed the Banjara "tribe." Presumably, the Romanies are descended from those who left.

So the Banjara are thought to be closely related to the Romanies, but they aren't quite Romanies. There probably are actual Romanies in India as well, because the Portuguese deported many Romanies to their colonies, including their colonies in India. No one seems to know what became of them, though. --Kuaichik (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, too! I'll see what I can do :) --Kuaichik (talk) 19:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Done :) --Kuaichik (talk) 20:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, so much for that! [18] I discuss the change with you (who put it up in the first place), we agree, and then this Romanian guy reverts me without bothering to read!

Not that I think there's anything we can do about it. He almost never listens to me; in fact, he rarely listens to anyone but those who always agree with him. I just thought I'd point this out anyway. --Kuaichik (talk) 17:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, OK. Thanks again! :) --Kuaichik (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

Hi thanks for the welcome note. I hope I can be helpful too. Melenge... मिलेंग... ...ملیں گے -- EhsanQ (talk) 12:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Pakistan needs you

I saw your name listed at the WikiProject Pakistan's member page. With your recent interests in Bollywood movies, I see you are contributing little to project changes. Why not make a contribution towards WikiProject Pakistan. In the main navigation on the right-hand-side, you may find a link to Cinema in Pakistan. Why not start that WikiProject. Please leave a comment here to demonstrate your interest.

For some time, we have been able to make significant changes on the Wikipedia pages relating to Pakistan and have had mixed success but lesser input. It is time that all the members join their heads together and come up with exciting ways to work on the project. I hope to see you around on WikiProject Pakistan. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunreginald (talk • contribs) 15:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani articles

You should be aware that the there were significant Muslim population in Indian states of Bihar, Uttar Pradesh etc before migration to Pakistan from India in 1947. Likewise Punjab and Sindh province of Pakistan had Hindu population. Just comparing Uttar Pradesh or Bihar article to Saraiki people that you reverted as vandalism is surprising. Since there is no mention of 25-33% Muslim population migrating to Pakistan. While Pakistani pages have inundated with Indian POV. My changes in Khan Abdul Jabbar Khan‎ and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan have also been revertes as vandalism. You have to expalin your motives. I will be be reverting your changes in few days if don't get any reply. Misaq Rabab (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC) ‎

WikiProject Pakistan

WikiProject Pakistan Newsletter

Shi'a-Sunni sectarianism! What next?

Wikipedia has always had its fair share of disputes. The issues surrounding debates like creationism-evolutionism had been a source of many edit wars. But recently enough, the ball-of-chaos had landed in our very own court. Pakistani issues are now polluted with a new sectarianism, especially the biographical articles celebrating some of the most influential people in Pakistani politics. These edit wars annoyed administrators who had no idea how the problems should be dealt with. Instances of religious inclination (either Shi'a Islam or Sunni Islam) were changed from one or the other. Debates have kicked off on the WP Pakistan talk page. Recently enough, a new policy has come into discussion (actually, it's just a set of rules) that defines major guidlines for such issues. It now awaits votes from all Pakistani editors.

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In other news: Akhtar Hameed Khan has finally reached the FA status and Islescape is the happiest person on Earth.

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FYI. Inviting Thoughts -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 05:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Selective Vandalism on Urdu page

Hi, Thougth that you should know about this: Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Eios1234. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 10:10, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Fariduddin Ganjshakar

Baba Farid was a Muslim saint (1173–1266) while Sikhism was founded by Nanak (1469–1538), Baba Farid was dead for 400 years before Sikhism was even founded. How can he be a Sikh ? The Sikh gurus took his selective works added into Granth Sahib and revered him. The fact remain he was Muslim saint. There is a section in Fariduddin Ganjshakar page about his reverence in Sikhism. Paknur (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I checked other Sikh Bhagats in Category:Sikh Bhagats they do not have their name in Gurmukhi script. Fariduddin Ganjshakar page has his name in Gurmukhi script in the Sikhism and Baba Farid section with the links. Paknur (talk) 09:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter Volume III, Issue no. 001 - June 2008

Project News Tag & Assess 2008, an assessment drive initiated by the assessment department began on June 7, 2008 and will be running until July 2008. Many Wikipedians have started contributing to this mammoth task. This housekeeping activity will help manage articles in better way. You can also get involved! Bot Assisted Assessment was successfully done using Bot0612 in May 2008. 1744 articles (18.5%) of all India unassessed articles were marked if they had been assessed by some other project. What's Featured and Good? Five new articles were promoted to featured article status in 2008: Western Chalukya architecture, 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, Akhtar Hameed Khan, Preity Zinta, Kannada literature in the Vijayanagara Empire. Two new lists were given featured list status in 2008: List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar, List of Victoria Cross recipients by nationality. There is currently one Indian article as a featured article nominee. Two more articles, (Bengali language, Kazi Nazrul Islam) are undergoing featured article reviews. You could help save these two articles by leaving your comments or assisting the involved editors. Three articles are undergoing good article nominations: Anekantavada, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and Santosh Subramaniam. IPL was hot on Wikipedia too!!! During the tournament, the article was among the most frequently edited articles. It is currently the only Indian article in top 100, occupying 58th spot. Do you know of an article that is currently underrated? If so, please nominate the article at the Assessment Department's request for assessment. This will allow our project to get a better idea of the quality of our articles. Article statistics and to-do lists Article Statistics Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. India articles Importance Top High Mid Low None Total Quality FA 19 20 16 10 8 73 FL 1 4 2 1 1 9 A 2 3 3 8 GA 4 5 7 12 16 44 B 87 128 194 153 263 825 Start 74 208 530 946 2730 4488 Stub 36 159 428 2540 18644 21807 List 360 360 Assessed 221 526 1180 3665 22022 27614 Unassessed 1 7 46 92 12815 12961 Total 222 533 1226 3757 34837 40575 Complete To-Do List Make visible or invisible by clicking Show or Hide, respectively. India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard Requests: Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Irrigation in India, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, Grand Hyatt Hotel, Mumbai, Bhagat Ram Talwar More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: , Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Medical college (India), All India Radio, More... Merge: Raghava Rama, Sammar Bahisht, Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, But Marma Atti, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Dr. Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Integral humanism, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri, More... Stubs: Anand Math, Andhra Bank, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assesment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template

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WP:PAK Newsletter

10:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Beauties and PR

If you were lucky enough to watch that episode on Nadia Khan's show on Geo TV where Sonia Ahmed and Mahleej Sarkari were invited, you'd know that the Miss Pakistan World pageant is really the hype. At least, when it comes to controversies, the organiser know where to bring the PR campaign. Their serious POV edits which have been proven to be made by the organisers and associates of the pageant are under debate at the article's deletion debate.

Follow-up on the last issue

In the last issue, we discussed about the sectarian issues that Pakistani articles were prone to. For an update, an advocate of the Shi'a faith and its prominent inclusion into the articles, LahoreKid has been banned for an indefinite period. In the process, a citation review project page was created for providing editors with a third-opinion on vague references.

For a in-depth coverage, read the talks here. Some news issues will be addressed shortly and new activities like contests and quizzes would be announced shortly as well.

Talking of sects...

I don't want to sound like a separatist, if I say that for the past few weeks the highest number of edits on anything related to Pakistan have been on articles that concerned Baluchistan. From major editions to the article on Quetta to the 1935 Balochistan earthquake tragedy.

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Christianity WikiProject Newsletter - July 2008

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I-Post

Email to Postal Mail

A convenient free postal mail service which can deliver email messages all over Pakistan. Peoples can now use their email to send letters giving you another route to communicate with others who are not connected to the Internet in Pakistan.

In recent past Internet and e-mail have revolutionized the world of communications. But those who do not have easy access to Internet and e-mail facilities could not get benefits of this facility. In its endeavour to make the benefits of e-mail available to a common man, Al Tayyeb Group has introduced i-post service. By i-post all those who do not have computer or do not have access to Internet can send e-mail by Post Office or receive e-mail through a postman. Those who have access to Internet can also send i-post to those who do not have access to Internet.

Wikipedia should have an article on this social service & must be a part of WikiProject Pakistan.Please comments. --SaqibChaudhry (talk) 07:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hindi spelling

Namaste Anupam,

At nl.wiktionary we had a little problem regarding the proper spelling of the names of months in Hindi. E.g. some people seem to write February just with a ph, others put the dot underneath to make it an f. Do you know if there is an official standard spelling for such things in Hindi? nl:wikt:Gebruiker:Jcwf (<=please answer here) Jcwf (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

A little personal Hindi question that I hope you'll want to answer

Sorry if this is not the kind of place to ask this kind of question, but there is no one I know personally to ask this Hindi question. I have a friend who is under the impression that both "मेरा" and "मैंने" means "my" in Hindi, but I learned that "मैंने" is the nominative form of "I" (obviously). My friend is an experienced native speaker of Punjabi and Hindi. Could it be that my friend is confusing Punjabi and Hindi? Or is it that "मैंने" can mean "my" in special circumstances? Thank you for your time and I apologize if this is an inappropriate question to ask on a Wikipedian's talk page.

YoshiroShin (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.

YoshiroShin (talk) 18:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

A not-so-personal question about Nasta'liq! :-D

Salaam again! You know that vegetable that's called लौकी in Hindustani (or Hindi/Urdu)? How is its name written in Nasta'liq? Is it just لوكی, or is it something else?

I ask because I found the Hindi article and recently added it to calabash [19]. I was wondering whether the Urdu Wikipedia has an article on it. It may very well not have such an article; even on the Hindi Wikipedia, it's just a stub that says "This is a vegetable"! :-D --Kuaichik (talk) 06:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I had looked for لوكی, too. I was just wondering whether maybe I should be looking for some other spelling! شكرِیه & शुक्रिया :) --Kuaichik (talk) 21:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Siraiki language

What are you doing with Siraiki .Have you any proof for wrong spelling of Siraiki (as Saraiki ) .Take pitty on this poor language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.103.107.39 (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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WikiProject Films roll call and coordinator elections

Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films coordinator elections - voting now open!

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Pashtun people

If it's not troubvle for you, can you please kep an eye on the info box on Pashtun people? I've added some nice pics of Afghan and Pakistani notable Pashtuns but someone (probably banned User:Beh-nam) is keep removing them.--119.30.69.117 (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Notice the above IP is a sock of indef-blocked of User:NisarKand, so please don't pay attention to what he asks --Enric Naval (talk) 22:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Punjabi language

HI Mr. Anupam, noticing your additions of Punjabi languages in Punjabi related topic is good, but Punjabi in the Gurmukhi script is good enough for India related subjects because it is most widely used in India. Shahmukhi would be just fine for Pakistan Punjabi topics. If you wanna write in all possible modes, the you would have to include Punjabi in Devanagari script too! I guess there's no need for that. Lets just have it in Hurmukhi for India subjects. Hope you don't mind sir. Regards, Layet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Layetkaur (talk • contribs) 15:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for standing up for the lil' guy. (Who, coincidentally, is Urdu speaking.) - azimsultan (talk) 21:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

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Freida Pinto

I am doing well. Hope you are fine !!!

For Heaven's sake, please archive your Talkpage, It's a complete mess.

• HINDI: I hope you know that the language which appears after the Name in Bold refers to the Mothertongue of the person. I don't know what made you feel Hindi is her mothertongue. She has no relation with Hindi. Unless and until, she has some native connection with Hindi, adding Hindi is not possible. Please do not add Hindi again as Hindi appearing there is out of question.

If you have added Hindi, because she has acted in a Hollywood-Bollywood Movie, then forget about it. Tomorrow, if she works in a Tamil, Telugu movie; that doesn't mean you add her name in Tamil, Telugu and make it a mess there.

• KONKANI: Yes, Konkani may be her mothertongue through her descent. She has some ancestral connection with Mangalore which she acknowledges. But her name is not Freida Pinto in Konkani. She belongs to the Mangalorean Catholic community. Her name is Freida Pinto only in English, not in Konkani. Remember, Mangalorean Catholcs have Konkani variants for their names, which differs from the English variant. Please read Mangalorean Catholics#Names and surnames for more information on variants. So, you'll have to find what's her name in Konkani first and then add it here. If you are not clear, please contact me. Kensplanet^T_C 11:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

References for wikipedia articles

Namaste Anupam, hope you are fine. Actually I was wondering something. I am interested in writing about the supposed Hindi languages. But the problem is that not much modern day books are available on these dialects, whether in Hindi or in English. I have managed to find some books, but they are all in Hindi and were probably written 20-30 years ago. They are stored in the Digital Library of India. So are non-English references acceptable for articles in English on Wikipedia? Maquahuitl^talk! 15:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Any clues?Maquahuitl^talk! 03:08, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

A lot of material about non-standard Hindi languages like Awadhi, Braj Bhasha, etc. is not available in English but only in Hindi. I don't know if that would be helpful. In any case there is hardly anything substantial about these languages on Wikipedia. Maquahuitl^talk! 08:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

(just passing by) I had some similar problems with spanish and italian sources. What I do is translating part of the text (just the relevant part, can be anywhere from one sentence to a whole paragraph) and posting it on the reference itself (if it's very short) or on the talk page (for long TL:DR parts) or both things (quote the most relevant sentence on the reference, and make a long explanation on the talk page for context). For an example, see Talk:Senyera#colours_vatican_flag --Enric Naval (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply

I see you replied to my message on User talk:Azimsultan. You have an answer from me on that talk page. Regards, Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Holy Thursday

There's no consensus to use Maundy Thursday as the title as you can see on the talk page. I am getting an administrator to make the move.MusicInTheHouse (talk) 18:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Maundy Thursday

I suggest we remove my last comment and your response from Talk:Maundy Thursday as it's metadiscussion (discussion about the discussion, a perennial blight on Wikipedia) rather than discussion about the matter. I should have dropped a friendly note on your talk page rather than taking issue there. Thanks and good wishes. --Boston (talk) 21:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

• Ah nevermind. If we removed it now subsequent comments would be disjointed. --Boston (talk) 22:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Farooq Bakshi AFD

Hello, I am looking for some advices on an AFD about an urdu poet, and I was wondering if you could help. The article about Farooq Bakshi, who is apparently a famous urdu poet, has recently been nominated for deletion because there's almost nothing about him on Google. The author of the article argues that it is because most of the Urdu newspapers don't have websites, and therefore any awards or news about Farooq Bakshi can't be on the internet. However, I'm thinking that by searching for him in Urdu on Google or on BBC Urdu, it should be possible to find something about him. Please can you help or provide advices on this issue? Thank you, Laurent (talk) 18:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Pashto language

There is a problem with saying that Pashto is called Kabuli. Kabuli most often refers to the Persian dialect spoken in Kabul. I could understand that an Indian census would not discriminate between various Iranian languages, but I don't think that the reference you supplied clearly says that Pashto is referred to as Kabuli. Thoughts ? --Bejnar (talk) 21:47, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I still don't think that one conglomeration (Afghani/Kabuli/Pashto) by the Indian Census constitutes an adequate basis for an encyclopedic statement that Kabuli is an alternate name for Pashto. In looking at the Ethnologue entry that you provided, I see that it distinguishes PASHTU: Kabuli language from:

Pashto, Southern: Kandahar Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Qandahar Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Quetta Pashto,

Pashto, Southern: Southeastern Pashto,,

Pashto, Southern: Southwestern Pashto,

PASHTU: Baluchi, and

PASHTU: Western

The article also notes that some users don't distinguish between PASHTU: Kabuli language and Farsi, Eastern: Dari: Kabuli. The fact that some people don't distinguish, is different than saying that one thing is called another. I do not think that a strong case can be made for calling Pashto by the name Kabuli. --Bejnar (talk) 22:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits on Uttar Pradesh

Recently few Users have massively revamped Uttar Pradesh article. Although any positive edits are welcomed but large scale revisions and revamps are advised to be done after discussion and consensus especially on articles of priority. As you have are member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Uttar Pradesh you are invited to participate in discussions on talk:Uttar Pradesh

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 10:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

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Pashto & Kabuli

Your claim that "Pashto" and "Kabuli" are synonyms is totally wrong. In fact, you are being contradicted by the Encyclopaedia Iranica, and I doubt that you can find any scholastic or official source that could eventually support your claim. "Kabuli" is the name of a very unique standardized dialect of the Persian language - this is confirmed in the Encyclopaedia Iranica. I frankly ask you to revert that false claim from the intro. Because even if your claim is true, i.e. that Indians call the language "Kabuli" (and I doubt that!), it still does not justify a bold entry in the first sentence of the article. Yuo won't be able to find a single English source supporting this claim. Thank you. Tajik (talk) 20:23, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi Anupam. This is not about footnotes, it's about a totally wrong claim that is being established in the article. The equation of "Pashto" and "Kabuli" neither exists in Persian, nor in Pashto or - and that is the most important of all - in English. This is the English Wikipedia, and only the most common English expressions are to be used. The sources you provide are not realiable and do not fulfill the WP:SOURCE criteria. If the expression is common in Hindi or some other Indian language, then it should be mentioned in the respective Wikipedia. But not in this English language Wikipedia. The Encyclopaedia Iranica is a standard reference work of oriental studies, it is being published by the Columbia University, and it is directly contradicting your claim. "Kabuli" is a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul, the major language of the city. You won't be able to find one scholarly work - in english, Pashto, or Persian - that supports your claim. Tajik (talk) 20:35, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for your comment. The source provided by Massagetae does not support his claim at all. It only says that the Pashto dialects in and near Kabul are designated "Kabuli". That is no surprise at all, because the word Kabuli is Persian for "from Kabul". That's also the reason why the Punjabi dialect of Afghan Hindus is called "Kabuli" and why the term is - almost exclusively - used as a synonym for the Persian dialect of Kabul. I do not understand why the term should be in the lead. It's not another name for Pashto, it is - at best - only the name of a certain dialect. That's like writing in the lead of the article English language that it is also known as "Texan" and "Baltimorese". Do you understand my point? Anyway, I had not deleted your info. I had moved it into the footnotes. The information simply is not as important as to be inserted in bold letters in the first sentence. Unless you cannot come up with really good sources that would support your claim that it is an established synonym for Pashto (which it is NOT), I will put it back into the footnotes. Tajik (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Can an article which is within Wikiproject India be nominated for deletion

Sir, There are several articles which are within wikiproject India, but some people have nominated them for deletion. Is this possible?

Please do visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Crime_Quiz

I can give you more examples, if you need.

Regards A true wikipedian

Qaimganj

Regarding Qaimganj, I was just trying to resolve the situation where there were two copies of the article. If the other name is right then put it there. Gigs (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Proofreading

Hi there. Would you have time to please proofread this short Hindi article? Thanks very much.
Amsaim (talk) 17:09, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Reply: If Hindi is a Co official language then go and edit all the Indian articles. And Urdu is only a co-official foreign language in Guntur and Nellore of Coastal Andhra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.66.46 (talk) 10:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Anupam ji. Please collect some proper facts as to where in India Urdu and Hindi are official languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiMasterUser (talk • contribs) 10:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Shia mosques in NCR tile translation

Hi,

I'm contacting you after long time(after 6 months).

Thanks for correcting translation of titles on List of Shia mosques in NCR.

I failed to to understand :

• Why you changed "بھارت" to "ہندوستان" in Urdu translation? and
• Why did you placed transliteration of Urdu text (i.e. "ہندوستان کی قومی داراُلحُکومت علاقے کی تشیع مسجدوں کی فہرست") in Hindi (i.e. "हिन्दुस्तान की क़ौमी दारुल हुकूमत इलाके की शिया मस्जिदों की फ़ेहरिस्त") by replacing Hindi translation (i.e. "भारत की राष्ट्रीय राजधानी छेत्र की शिया मस्जिदों की सूची")?

Hope to clear the situation!

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider^tc_s 07:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks/Urdu

Hi Anupam, I saw you added Urdu names for several people (thanks!) and that you are also a member of Wikiproject India. I wanted to ask whether you could help start an article on the Urdu Wikipedia about Ram Narayan. He lived in Lahore so I think this is a good idea. I don't speak any Urdu but perhaps you want to help and translate the introduction? Thank you! Hekerui (talk) 12:06, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and the offer! I had asked Faizhaider last year because he is also in WP India, but he declined. I believe I found someone to help me, but thanks again. Hekerui (talk) 09:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Script check

Hello, been a while. There has been some vandalism with the Devanagari and Nastaliq scripts on My Name Is Khan, but I don't know the latter script to tell if it has been fixed. Do you mind checking it? I don't have any sources as to whether the official name of the film is मेरा नाम है खान or मेरा नाम खान है, but it's a relatively minor difference. If you can find a source that would be great too. Thanks - Taxman ^Talk 14:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with My Name Is Khan Anupam. I left a longer response on Taxman's page and my page. I hope you will keep this article on your watchlist. It's great to have more editors working on it. Regards, -Classicfilms (talk) 17:24, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Warning

The Urdu script was not there for a long time and I was not the one who removed it. Now you are adding it without proving that Hindi cinema is actually Hindustani cinema. You are not answering my questions and all the old discussions you cited died a premature death with no consensus. Now, if you want these scripts to be re-added, you must gain consensus and prove your point as two editors oppose to this addition on the talk page. You are not only edit warring and adding an unrelated script, you are also showing that you are unwilling to discuss as you see it as a fact that Hindi cinema is Urdu cinema. You have added, you have to discuss and PROVE. There is no consensus now. Start a new discussion if you want. If you continue that way, I'll start an ANI on you and will take it to an arbitration case if I must. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Please also note that you had reverted this edit of mine, which is perfectly supported by a reputable source (Encyclopedia Britannica). If you are claiming that Hindi cinema is not the official name of Bollywood, then you are truly making fun of yourself. Also note, your next revert will be a violation of WP:3RR and will instantly lead to your block. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I was not the one who originally removed it. Another user did it and was instantly reverted by you (how surprising). The fact is that there was never a clear consensus that Urdu scripts should be there. There was also a long discussion out of the Bollywood article in which most editors agreed that Urdu scripts should not appear in the lead. Even then, it's been over a year since December 2008. No one ever touched it until you came (how surprising). It clearly shows that you are trying to enforce your views on others. Re-adding the script after over a year is like renewing the dicussion. Now the burden of evidence is again on you. Please prove that Hindi cinema is Urdu cinema. Stop removing the fact that Hindi cinema is the official name of Bollywood, which is sourced. As for the sources you cite, they do not prove it. Saying that Urdu and Hindi are identical only goes against you because it only shows that you are mistaken, and it's got nothing to do with Hindi films. And do remember WP:3RR please. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

First - I did not remove. YOU are the one who added. You say: "I have pointed you to several consensuses of the Wikipedia Community to keep the script" But there is no consensus!! And even if there was, no consensus can override facts. It's been a long time since these scripts broadly disappeared from Bollywood articles. You are now adding them.

As for My Name is Khan - is it an Urdu film? Please cite source that prove that My nName is Khan specifically is an Urdu film. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

• There was no consensus ever!! And even if there was, no consensus can override facts.
• It's been a long time since these scripts broadly disappeared from Bollywood articles by many different editors.
• Another editor agrees with me on the Bollywood talk. Three editors already disagree with you. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record, what actually matters at the end of the day is the fact that Hindi cinema is Hindi cinema and that's why it is officially called the Hindi-language film industry. Other than that, the discussion on Talk:Bollywood applies only to the Bollywood article. Every film article on which you add an Urdu script must be provided with a source that the ilm is actually in Urdu as well. Shahid • ^Talk2me 23:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, you missed the point here. Scripts will be added when you gain consensus that they can be added, and they will not be included until a decision to readd them is taken. Now these scripts will not be included here. The Bollywood talk page clearly shows a consensus that such scripts should not be included. And you are not here to determine what will be until consensus is reached. You are yet to cite sources that say My Name is Khan specifically is an Urdu film. Also, you are the one who is closer to violating 3RR. If you revert again, I will report you on ANI. Pages should not be loaded with Urdu scripts just because you want to. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Also note that this so-colled poll you have cited million times was declared as dead on this very talk page (see here). There was never consensus as this issue came back every while by different editors. It's been a year since it was broadly removed. Now you have to gain consensus to ADD them, not to keep them. Therefore, to avoid further edit wars and arguments, do not add scripts until consensus is reached. Thanks, Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:53, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Three points, two warnings

• I did not umerge sections, you are the who merged them. Please do not move MY messages. I add them where I want to and you have no right merging sections unless you ask me to. You can notify me about that first.
• Read WP:RfC. This is not how an RfC should be started. The structure is incorrect. RfC must be started in a new section which must be completely neutral for everybody to make their decisions, not in a section in which you post a lengthy and incorrect message. You clearly are not familiar with the process of RfC, so please see instructions here
• I noticed something very strange in the discussions regarding you. I'll have to consult someone. You'll know what it is. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

If I ever hurt your feelings in any of my messages, I sincerely apologise. I think you are a nice editor, but we simply disagree, and you too are crossing limits while ignoring my posts, writing the same things and talking about a consensus which never really existed. Taxman is at the end of the day a user just like you and me). I was shocked when I added certificates and you said, "no Wikipedia does not work like that", but when you added scripts which have almost no significant importance, it was OK. If you had asked me to merge sections I would never have had problems with that, but you did not. Now you added a bolded message which clearly shows me in a negative light. Also, I did not change articles to reflect my POV. In fact, it is you who excessively added scripts to articles to reflect your POV. Bollywood is the common name for Hindi cinema, and the lingua franca of Bollywood is Hindi - both you and I know that very well. So the addition of Urdu scripts should not have been made in the first place. The use of Urdu in Hindi films, its history and decline can be added, not the scripts. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Now that's what I call good editing, not the extensive addition of Urdu scripts in Hindi films. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Scripts in Bollywood-related film articles - unwanted private correspondence

I received the following message from you by email:

Dear Ogress, I hope you are doing well. Your comments would be highly appreciated on the Bollywood Talk Page under the section "Scripts in Bollywood-related film articles." There is a campaign among some users to remove all the Urdu scripts from Bollywood film articles. The outcome will be decided by the Wikipedia Community, i.e. whoever comments. Since you are an expert in linguistics I thought you might want to participate in the discussion. Thanks in advance. With regards, Anupam

"Dear Ogress"? Any contact with me on WP-related matters should be via my Talk Page and not privately. --Yumegusa (talk) 00:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Canvassing and edit warring

My instincts did not disappoint me. You were indeed secretly canvassing users to participate in the discussion. And this will not be spared.

Secondly, I think you miss the point. This discussion is here to prove that Hindi films are actually Hindi-Urdu, not otherwise. The language of the industry is widely, commonly and officially known as Hindi. All these films' certificates and even scripts do not have Urdu. There was never a consensus on this issue, however you try to deny it. This discussion is done to add scripts, not remove them. If you want to edit war, be my guest, try me.

Thirdly, an aside note - do not leave personal messages to me on other talk pages. Thanks, Shahid • ^Talk2me 09:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Orangi Town

Please stop reverting in Orangi Town. I have lived in Orangi Town so may be I know more about it. The Biharis are Muhajirs and so please stop distinguishing them. The Muhajir identity includes all Urdu speaking people that migrated to Pakistan. The nastaliq script is neither used in most Pakistani related articles in Wikipedia and nor in 200 articles relating to Karachi neighborhoods. If you have any objections then discuss your complaints in talk page. AlphaGamma1991 (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Warning and note

Anupam, do not speak about a consensus that never was - you better prove your point. I proved that these discussions died a premature death. And it's been a long time ago and since most of the scripts were removed. This discussion is in order to prove that the industry is not only Hindi. Your claims contradict the majority of the sources, the common facts, the main official acknowledgement. Do not use the words of a user who has no right to take any such decisions whatsoever.

Tomorrow I'll start an ANI about your violation of WP:CANVASS. You clearly had contacted a lot of "right" people, including Zora, Raqib, Basawala and now this recent user, to have them supporting your POV. Whether the messages are written in a neutral tone or not, they are unacceptable.

Not less important, you are the one who is actually edit warring. You are in your way to violate also WP:3RR. Consider this a warning. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm very much diappointed by you. I previously saw a user whose opinions I do not agree with but who is still an honest person. After I found out about your violation of WP:CANVASS, the state of the discussion was more than clear to me. I have no words. Shahid • ^Talk2me 00:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

You are very wrong:

• I have never removed scripts in disguide - in the case of CCCC I wrote cleanup because I made other edits as well. In other cases I clearly indicated my edit.
• Secondly, I was never ever "warned" by a beaurocrat. It was never a warning so do not speculate.
• Thirdly, you are there edit warring because you are the one who reverts me.
• You deviously and massively cavassed the "right" people knowing they would support your claims on the talk page. Zora is one of them, but you've been caught, so whatever there, do not make up stories. You do not know what I was discussing with Blofeld via e-mail. I never came to him for any such thing.
• There was never consensus and I cited sources proving why. Taxman has no authority to make decisions. Period.
• Not less important - the discussion on Talk:Bollywood does not have results. And as matter of fact, it does not matter. We cannot make such inclusive discussions for an industry which makes so many films per year. My lengthy posts were ignored. So What I think is the right way is: if you add a script to an article, prove that it is actually an Urdu film. Let's be specific. Period. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL you are warning me of WP:CANVASS? That's a great way to throw away your own guilt. Read WP:CANVASS to understand what canvassing is. Oh and if you want to revert my edits, go ahead, do it. I'm waiting curiously. Shahid • ^Talk2me 19:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Last warning

This is the last warning that you will receive for your disruptive editing. You have not only violated WP:CANVASS by secretly calling editors to participate in a discussion, WP:WL by citing inappropriate policies against other editors, you are also violating WP:CON and WP:EW. There was never a consensus on the discussion you cited and on any other discussion you cited. If you continue with your disruptive editing, you will be blocked from editing. Shahid • ^Talk2me 05:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Request

Anupam, I hold both Shahid and you in high regard for your contributions to wikipedia, and therefore am disheartened seeing recent acrimony and edit-warring between the two of you (I won't attempt apportioning the blame). It reminds me of the internecine "warfare" that took place among WPIndia editors a couple of years back, which finally reached arbcom and resulted in a few editors being banned and worse, many other editors giving up and retiring from wikipedia (ask User:YellowMonkey about it). It would be very sad if the current dispute, which really is over a very minor matter, went down that path. So I would urge both of you (and other involved editors) to take a step back, reconsider if the dispute is the best use of your time and effort, and if you think it's worth pursuing, approach WP:MEDCAB or WP:MEDCOM to get help resolving the dispute. It would be undesirable for both you as individual editors and the WPIndia project, if the dispute escalated much further and resulted in blocks or topic bans. Hope you consider this request (which I am posting on Shahid's page too). Abecedare (talk) 22:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

You are edit warring about use of Urdu script in film articles

Hello Anupam. I have read WP:AN3#User:Anupam reported by User:Shshshsh (Result: ) and the supporting arguments. It is clear to me that both you and User:Shshshsh have broken our rule against edit-warring, and you could both be blocked. To avoid this outcome, I suggest that you promise to stop adding or removing Urdu script from articles from now until 31 March. If an uninvolved admin closes the discussion about use of Urdu and announces a consensus, then this would settle the matter, and you could resume editing with regard to Urdu. This would allow the 3RR case to be closed with no action against you. The same deal applies to Shshshsh. Let me know what you decide. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Result of the 3RR case

Please see the result of WP:AN3#User:Anupam reported by User:Shshshsh (Result: Both warned), which contains a warning to you. Though Shshshsh would not voluntarily accept the standstill deal on Urdu script, both parties are nonetheless bound by the result of the 3RR. You are welcome to ask for an uninvolved admin to close the discussion on use of Urdu, but until that discussion is formally closed, no more reverts must occur, on either side. If reverting continues, blocks may be issued. Thank you for your voluntary support of the standstill deal. EdJohnston (talk) 20:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Underoath

For the record, I agree with you. Underoath does not have the same history of avoiding the use Christian as an adjective in relationship to their genre. I don't think it makes much of a difference to them. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Ghost: Biblical references & Judæo–Christian belief

I saw your contributions here. I am not sure if the full quote from I Samuel works. It is a bit long, and sort of throws off the flow of the article. Just an opinion, no big deal. But this seems like a subject where there is a lot more to be said. Maybe it deserves an article on its own, summarized in the Ghost article. Something like "Ghosts in Judæo–Christian belief". There seems to be quite a lot of debate about the correct position on the subject. Comments? Aymatth2 (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I am not really qualified to expand the content in this area. If I tried, I would probably just get everybody upset. There are two main reasons for a separate article, neither very compelling. One is that the main Ghost article is highly active, full of controversy over whether this is a "pseudo-science" subject and frequently vandalized. It might be easier to expand and discuss content on Judæo–Christian beliefs (or perhaps it should be Abrahamic beliefs) in a quieter space with less risk of vandalism and with a discussion area focused on the subject - which may also be controversial, but for entirely different reasons. The other is that the main Ghost article should give a balanced overview, and ideally would just be a series of summaries of more specialized articles. I could see coverage of this aspect getting quite large, perhaps excessively so since ghost belief is not as significant in the monotheistic religions as it was with the old animist religions and is with Hinduism or Buddhism. So there could be advantages. But I don't think I am going to start it, just thought you might want to. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for posting at the ArbCom. I appreciate it, and all the more because I did not expect it.

Is there any reason you have not started a User talk:Anupam/Archive 3? Alastair Haines (talk) 09:54, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Shia mosques in NCR

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Your undue Dilazak Page Edits

Dear Anupam By now I have seen all your efforts for Wikipedia. I am compelled to write few words in a direct way because I see one person with either one point agenda or a pseudo styled Master of all sciences. Please forgive me but your edits without due knowledge and without reading my discussion page are quite unnecessary. We in Asia take our ancestry from Father side and not from Mother side. A tribe in our world is not by speaking a particular language but by the genes one carries. You though Indian don't seem to know this little fact. Moreover, You seem inclined to prove Afghans as Hindic people. Sorry but you are you and We are We. Also you time and again revert my page with your edits" The Dilazak are found in Afghanistan and Pakistan" whereas there is hardly any Dilazak in Afghanistan, if you know their history. I gave you reference to Ishhat Khan's website in Utterperdesh who is Dilazak and there are many many more in India. Please do not edit unless you discuss first. I will surely complaint against you in very near future but till then please don't try to mix yourself with US. RegardsDilazak1 (talk) 20:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Greater Punjab

Since we seem to have differing opinions on this issue and read the sources differently, I've asked for other editors to chime in at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Greater_Punjab_region and let's see how it's resolved. On further reading of other books that I have, I'm quite sure that I disagree with the Greater Punjab addition now. —SpacemanSpiff 03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

June 2010

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Nice Job

Hello Anupam, just doing some browsing and ran across the very nice article you expanded on the Dard people. Those old British books can be quite an interesting resource. Thanks. Joshdboz (talk) 18:43, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I was actually reading The Gilgit Game, a really excellent book on 19th century exploration of the Pamirs by John Keay, and naturally much of the research at that time was on the relatively unknown Dards and Dardic languages, especially by the likes of G.W. Leitner. I was curious to see if we had some relevant article coverage, and was pleasantly surprised to see we did. It's quite a region, now if it only becomes safe enough to visit... Best, Joshdboz (talk) 23:59, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

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Thathaal

Hi Anupam, I have been told to contact someone at Wikipedia pakistan after writing to one of the admins on Wikipedia English. This is what are my concern about an article, I am merely pasting what I had written on the English section, I would need your feedback.

"Dear sir, I have spent quite some time collecting information about Thathaals,. I did not find any information other than wikipedia article pasted on certain sites. I also belong to the same clan and very much occupied to know about my origin. Here is my opinion about the article.

This article is nothing but a crap, there are certain people who are busy "creating history" rather than reflecting history. The real purpose of this article is shown by the this sentence (paragraph " modern history, last sentence)" However, now, at present there is no difference between other Rajput Jat tribes and the great Thathaals.

People behind this article are too much occupied to establish "Thathaal" as Jatt clan,rather than Rajput. the truth is that caste is a herditary thing, one can not change it, you are born in one caste, and you can't change that "fact". The article had started as Thothaal which was correct, but later the title of the article has been changed. second thing about Thothal is that they are not Jat but rajput, this was correctly mentioned by some earlier editor in the "View history".

The article start with the claim that "They are said to be descendants of legendary Raja Karan Singh of the Mahabharata[2]." The truth is that Karan Singh (Karna) is never mentioned as Karan Singh in the Whole book Mahabharata. He is just mentioned karna and not having any surname, like all other charachters in the book. The word Singh( means "lion") was introduced by Rajput about one thousand year after the Mahabharata was written.

Second claim: Thathaals claim their kinship with a Suryavanshi Rajput Raja Karan Singh through his son Raja Thathoo, In Mahabharata we learn that Karna had nine sons (One does not need to read whole Mahabharata, this could be checked in wiki article about Karna], but none of his son had name "Thathoo".

"Some of the persons from Thathaal tribe converted to Islam during period of Mehmood of Ghazna[4]". there is no proof for this. In fact this could be checked in any Indian history book, Mehmood never stayed in India, he just invaded and plundered India several times and left back to Ghazni, Afghanistan.

The village "Mohmud Chak " is not the right name, the real name is "Mehmad Chak" and nothing to do with "Essa Khan Mohmand". There are many people from " Mehmad chak" living in Norway. In fact, none of the "reference" could be checked to find that if the reference support the claim. there are only six "working" which could be checked ( five of those are sorted by me and those are about villages and one about adil khan)

THE TRUTH ABOUT THATHAAL: The true word is "Thothal" and not "Thathaal", this I learend when in 2000 I wanted to sell some property in my home country, I went to the court to sign documents, I found that my caste was written "Thothal" and not "Thathal", I asked them to "correct" it, but I was told, "you people may like to call yourself whatever you like but in the official papers you are registered as Thothal", second thing I learned that we are Rajputs and not Jatts. When I come back to Norway, I contacted the oldest man from " Thothal( Thathal)" clan. I was told "there was a king of Kashmir ( the kingdom of karna is not Kashmir but Anga (present day Bhagalpur ), whose name was Karan singh, the real time of Karan Singh is unknown. Karan singh had a son whose name was " Thotho" add NOT "Thathoo" as mentioned in the article. The descendants of Thotho were called Ththo-Al. Al means "descendant". Thotho-al means " the descendant of Thotho. With the passage of time the word Thotho-al became Thothal."

Many people called themselve Thathal because they either don´t know the real word or they just speak carelessly. The word which is registerd in the official documents like at muncipal committees is Thothal and NOT Thathal. As far it goes for the villages, I did not find village with the name thathaal, but I found a village with the name" Thothal". I have problem accepting the later history of Thothals, because there is no source which could be checked. I am fairly well informed when it comes to my background , but i never learned these stories which are mentioned in the article. There is a book which have been mentioned as a source which is " A Glossary of the Tribe and casts of the Punjab and North-West Frontier Provinces by E.D. Maclagan and H.A. Rose", Here is the link to the book, http://openlibrary.org/books/OL14009905M/glossary_of_the_tribes_and_castes_of_the_Punjab_and_North-West_frontier_province.# . One can read this book online, I did not find anything about those claims which are in the article. Sorry, for writing so much. In fact I want to edit the article and delete almost 95% of the article because the claims are not justfied, but I havn't done anything because i don't want to get in trouble or get accusation for vendalism" Regards.Jogibaba (talk) 09:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Anupam, I am still waiting for your contribution in the discussion area of above mentioned article.RegardsJogibaba (talk) 19:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Note

Sorry to disappoint you but I already have admin approval (See here). BTW, I would not tolerate such insults even if they were directed to you, so I'm disappointed that you insist on having them. Also, you not only reverted me and restored the other user's attacks, you also reverted some of my modifications of MY edits, and it is unacceptable. Shahid • ^Talk2me 20:38, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

You are very very wrong. The discussion concerned SCRIPTS, not languages

First, you reverted me describing my edits as vandalism and it is actually an act of vandalism from your side. Second, all the discussions, all the arguments and even the final administrative decision was in regards to scripts and only SCRIPTS. As for the language of the films, it is Hindi and it is a fact which is not questionable by any means. Go see the film's official certificate. If you can prove that PKGspecifically is an Urdu movie, then go ahead, make my day. I did NOT remove the Urdu script itself, and no admin would be able to prohibit others from modifying language fields, because it's the most factual thing out there. If I must, I'll take it to WP:FILM and even turn to higher authorities on Wikipedia. Also, do not make an important figure of yourself by threatening me like this, you don't scare me, friend, so feel free to do whatever you want, but beware of edit wars because this time it will not turn out to be so good for you. And don't think your canvassing has been forgotten, it will be noted and reported again (as I found you have been doing it many a time down history). You contacted secretly people who share the same point of view as yours, and that's what created a true mess despite the fact that several editors, who were NOT canvassed, opposed to having scripts. I accept the fact that no consensus exists and scripts cannot be added or removed, but the languages of films is more than clear and does not need consensus in the first place. Hope I was clear. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

You are repeating your usual mantra od speculations, just copying an old message you sent me on Talk:Bollywood. How can you prove that I reported Himalatyan Explorer about that? Can you? Did Yellow Monkey came to the discussion? (He does not een understand in Hindi and Urdu stuff to begin with and I merely informed him about what I was doing). While YOU have gone on sending messages to people to come and support you. You are using Taxman's name and position while he is not even an uninvolved party in the discussion (he clearly thanked you once for adding scripts). You have been warned a few years ago for canvassing, and even the spam messages you sent to people who think just like you, such as Zora and the user who found your canvassing improper, returned back to you. And there was never consensus on the issue, and I proved why. User:Taxman, who shares you point of view, does not take deicisons here. You are also stalking me, which is quite funny. My edit will NOT be reverted, and if it is, not for a long time. Feel free to contact whoever you want. We have only discussed scripts and NOT languages. That's where it ends. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:33, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Another speculation. Your violations were once skipped, but only once, trust me. You don't even understand the meaning of a Bureaucrat and have been wikilawyering as it's been confirmed by an admin in a surprising e-mail I got some time ago. My block log is none of your business. Even the admin who blocked me apologised for doing so and said I am a constructive editor, not that I feel like justifying to someone like you. I don't go around adding useless scripts. I contribute to this project without having to enforce biased views. Cheers. Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:49, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

That's funny! Open your eyes. It was only two blocks. The first one was a mistake and the admin unblocked me twice.If you wanna know what my reputation and accomplishments are, have a look at my user page. Still, it is none of your business so you can go and do what you are best at, adding scripts and cavassing people. I even see old warnings of canvassing here on your very talk page. As I said, do try to read and understand the meaning of a bureaucrat before throwing Taxman's name into every discussion. I received a mail from an admin who totally agreed with what I say now, so people know you are not as innocent as you try to look. Secondly Taxman is not an uninvolved party in the issue. You were just citing the same previous old discussions stating "consensus!", while I proved why there was NO consensus, analysing every link of yours. As for my report about you, by saying that it was unconvincing you are putting words into the mouth of the closing admin, and this will be reported one day. At the end of it you were warned and the result spoke to both you and me. At least I did everything with sheer honesty, and did not resort to secret e-mail messages to solve my problem and enforce my POV.

As for my edit, it is perfectly fine. All our discussions and the last decision by EdJohnston were about SCRIPTS. The language of the film is Hindi, not Urdu, and that's a fact that does not even need discussion, unless you could start a discussion for every specific film and prove its language is Urdu (in this case, it's Piya Ka Ghar, and if you see its certificate, it says HINDI). You can go and report this and do whatever you want, I did nothing wrong as I did NOT remove the Urdu script, trust me, I'll know what to say and whom to call. EOD. Shahid • ^Talk2me 06:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

war

I wrote a message here under the title of Thathaal, and wanted some feedback from Anupam. Because he is from Indian subcontinent, moreover he is supposed to have something to do with the history. I wanted him to comment in the discussion about Thathaal, but he seems to be busy fighting some Indian/Pakistani war here. Sorry for disturbing you guys, have fun.Jogibaba (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Anupam for the message, I think there has been some misunderstanding. The article Thathaal is not my creation, on the contrary, I have objection to that article. I have written my objections in the "Discussion" area. I believe, that article is just a crap, needs an excessive editing. Can you please read that article, and give your comments in the discussion area.Jogibaba (talk) 23:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Survive, Kaleidoscope

Hello. In March you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Another publisher that reuses Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 23:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Also Clara Germana Cele, where I also removed two self-published books. See WP:SPS for why we cannot use self-published sources. iUniverse and Lulu.com are self-publishing houses, not genuine book publishers. Fences&Windows 01:04, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Khalistan movement

Hi Anupam, I saw your addition to the Khalistan movement page with the gurmukhi/devnagari version of the term "Tehrik-e-Khalistan". I think you had good intentions but I reverted them because I've never seen the movement referred to as such, and it sounds a bit too Islamic (like Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, for instance. it might bring certain connotations. it seems more like a Persian/Urdu phrase than anything). If you can find a more popular neutral Punjabi term for it used by those in the movement or any sort of news media, I'd suggest that. (perhaps Tehrik-e-Khalistan can be seen as neutral, but there ought to be more-often-used names than that.)

But if you can find a source for "Tehrik-e-Khalistan," feel free to readd it, I suppose.3swordz (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Robbie Mannheim if you please

Anupam, you must step back a bit from your attempt to dominate the Robbie Mannheim page. We all agree your work has been much, but you now need to start listening to the concensus we have been reaching over there.

You have no right to stick in just anything you see fit! YOU must also consult with us about what goes in and how to restructure the article. It isn't your sole possession, it matters to us as well.

Your weakness is you want to put everything you read about this case into the article. That is not necessary for it to be appropriately encyclopedic.

You want to push the Christian aspect too far. Yes it matters to the case, but the line you insist on reverting is offensive to Spiritualists and is unnecessary, like so much of what you want done over there.

You are not clarifying the unverified claims and stories in that article as separate from the little fact that exists. The FACT is the Church acknowledges an exorcism, says it was a teen boy around 1949, Father Halloran has added some recollections and that is ALL. Everything else is unverified anecdotal reporting...the OPPOSITE of established fact.

You need to understand this work is not yours alone just because you are a reviewer. You have to cooperate like any other editor and work better. Instead you are polite, vry calm, but you still do only what you want to do at that page. We are not going to tolerate this stubbornness.76.195.82.134 (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Anupam, if you alerted Torchwood Who to revert my posts on the talk page, I am warning you here and now. We are all equal editors and you don't have the right to have erased anything you didn't like at the talk page. I can bring in admins also, if I must.76.195.82.134 (talk) 14:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

My apologies for the misunderstanding: I know you did not do anything in this matter. It was a busybody admin. It was not my meaning to insult your honor.75.21.152.167 (talk) 20:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Anupam, if you are going to revert changes at Robbie Mannheim, please post on the talk page. You must post there to alert me and Vespine of your ideas. We are having trouble with editing, because some of it has been careless and I apologize for that. Those are honest errors. But if you persist in reverting, you will begin to cross into the realm of vandalism. We do not want that; we want this to be the team project. I want to know we can count on your help with these ideas, not for us to be worried that you won't like something and revert it without comment.75.21.154.247 (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

You need to also do some re-structuring at Robbie Mannheim. That is one long run-on paragraph and Vespine has no time to edit at all. I have very little time. You need to make that article structure easier to read. AND easier to edit. What you have done over there is a mess. I suggest you start reading and posting at the talk page. I am copying this post there.75.21.154.247 (talk) 03:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Anupam, this is the last time I will post on your talk page. Regarding Robbie_Mannheim--if you are vandalizing this article, you must stop. That is not the help Vespine and I wanted. Also, I sincerely hope it was not you who plagiarized Allen's book Possessed. Now that we are discussing deletion of the article, that plagiarism is an important issue. But an editor should know better than to do that.75.21.105.150 (talk) 19:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Robbie Mannheim vandalism

Anupam, you are getting very close to mere vandalization at Robbie_Mannheim. I will see you are reported for what you are doing there. You cannot just do what you want there! If you refuse to contribute then stop reverting changes that have been reached by a proper majority, and please stop citing your silly Wikirules. A vandal has no right to cite rules!75.21.105.150 (talk) 00:22, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Dear Anupam, I understand what you're saying, and I don't at all mean to do it just to prove a point. I was honest about what I did, and I did not remove a single script since the standhill started. I even tried to reconsider my stand and I'm still trying to think whether it really is such a big deal (the whole issue we've been discussing for months). I'll need time to tell you that. However, I disagree with the inclusion of these categories because I find them misleading. If anything, a script is somewhat more understandable in my view as of now (I'll later explain myself further), but a category implies that the movie is as much in Urdu as it is in Hindi, which is not right, and even if the category says "partially", it's not enough, because Urdu is more "used" in Hindi movies that it "is" the language of the movies.

A user named Bollyjeff has just replied to you on my very talkpage, citing English as an example, it is similarly used to a large extent in Hindi movies yet it is not the language of the movies, and no category for it would be accepted, unless a movie like Black, My Name is Khan etc., is concerned (just like the examples of Umrao Jaan and Mughal-E-Azam in case of Urdu). Take care, Shahid • ^Talk2me 17:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

New messages

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Edit war

Hello. You appear to be involved in an edit war on Urdu . While the three-revert rule is hard and fast, please be aware that you can be blocked for edit warring without making 3 reverts to an article in 24 hours. You are not entitled to 3 reverts and are expected to cooperatively engage other editors on talk pages rather than reverting their edits. Note that posting your thoughts on the talk page alone is not a license to continue reverting. You must reach consensus. Continued edit warring may cause you to be blocked. Toddst1 (talk) 17:43, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Katrina Kaif

Anupam, you certainly have your facts incorrect here. Katrina Kaif is most certainly not a muslim, there is no evidence of this by her verbally or by action. In fact, all signs point to the hypothesis that she is spiritual; she vists hindu places for worship (ganesh chaturji) and she's also visited a few muslim destinations. She has no relation with nasataleeq as her upbringing is homogeneously british and american. I see you are already engaged in a few edit wars, please be rational and add information with proofs. Thanks anupam.

Incognito222 (talk) 00:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Ouija Board Criticism

Hi, I noticed that at some point you edited and showed an interest in the Criticism section of the Ouija article. Unfortunately, there are people strongly trying to surpress this information for some reason. I felt that it was of interest, well sourced and an important topic and tried to make a seperate page out of it. The same day I did this, it was posted for deletion. Fast work. Here is the deletion page discussion if you are still interested in the subject. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ouija_Board_Criticism. Dwain (talk) 21:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject India Newsletter Volume V, Issue no. 2 - November 2010

English WikiProject News After a missed issue, the WP:IND newsletter is back on track to being a regular bimonthly feature. The Indian WikiProject has seen plenty of online and off-line action, both in English as well as other Indian languages, and we now have a bigger, better format that intends to feature content and news from the English as well as other Indian language Wikipedias. Reaching out to Indians has been the theme of the Indian Wikiproject over the past couple of months, aiming to involve a greater number of Indians in editing both the English and Indian language Wikipedias. To this end, efforts to set up the Indian chapter of Wikimedia have moved into their final stages, and registration of the society is currently pending. An effort is underway to push for "WikiMarathons" at meetups, where attendees will be encouraged to edit the English and/or Indian language Wikipedias. This is intended to popularise Wikipedia editing among the general public. In addition, a bot to post DYK's from the Indian Wikiproject to Twitter was created and launched by User:Logicwiki. What's New? Regrettably, the number of Featured Articles has dropped from 63 in June to 58 at the end of October 2010. Several FAs came up for review and were delisted, while Fundamental Rights, Directive Principles and Fundamental Duties of India was saved. Meanwhile, Chalukya Dynasty appeared on the main page on July 9, 2010. Hearteningly, the number of Good Articles increased from 130 to 136 during the same period, while the number of Featured Lists remained constant at 16. The source code for the Article Alert Bot is now available and the bot itself is expected to be up and running very shortly. This means that article alerts for the Indian Wikiproject will again be available, enabling editors to easily keep track of developments in respect of reviews, nominations, deletions etc. The date change vandal mentioned briefly in the previous issue made a reappearance when the range block on his IP range expired in September. Consequently the block was extended till September 2011. In October there was a heated discussion in the India project noticeboard regarding the copyright status of the Indian party symbols. The discussion was triggered by the deletion of Wiki San Roze's party symbol images by Hammersoft as copyright violations. No resolution was reached, partly because of our inability to explain to Hammersoft how election symbols in India differ from party logos. Comments are requested from anyone with a background in Indian copyright law to clarify this issue. Complete To Do List Complete To Do List India-related tasks | Indian noticeboard Requests: Counterfeiting of currency notes in India, Akhand Pratap Singh, Irrigation in India, Asura (band), Asian Variety Show, Cultural liberalism in India, India Export Tax, India Import Tax, Grand Hyatt Hotel, Mumbai, Bhagat Ram Talwar More... NPOV: Greater Nepal Rajneesh, Ranjit Lal Jetley Hedgewar, Puttanna Kanagal, Bride burning, Sonia Gandhi More... Wikify: Railway stations, Mahavidwan R. Raghava Iyengar, Silk in the Indian subcontinent, IDBI Bank More... Cleanup: , Rampur, Tav-Prasad Savaiye, Shipping Corporation of India, Velama, Medical college (India), All India Radio, More... Merge: Raghava Rama, Sammar Bahisht, Sathya Sai Baba movement,More... Expand: Prime Minister of India, Krishna district, List of railway stations in India, Swaraj, Ashoka Kumar Thakur vs. Union of India (Supreme Court Case), Barak Missile Deal Scandal, 14th Lok Sabha, Adithada, Ali Sardar Jafri, Bandhani work, Bhaiband, But Marma Atti, Chikan (embroidery), China Town, Kolkata, Dr. Rahi Masoom Raza, Energy policy of India, Essar Shipping, Fair use, Hinduism in India, Imperial Bank, Inbuan Wrestling, Integral humanism, Iran-India relations, Islam in India, Arjuna award, Sunil Mittal, Save Indian Family, Anjana Sukhani, Rajendra K. Pachauri, More... Stubs: Anand Math, Andhra Bank, A R Antule, Arjuna award, Army of India, Bapudeva Sastri, Bombay Dyeing, Indian Copyright Act, Marimallappa, Mumbai Skywalk, More... Translate: Telugu Wikipedia articles, Marathi Wikipedia articles, Hindi Wikipedia articles, Sanskrit Wikipedia articles, Tamil Wikipedia articles Kannada Wikipedia articles Collaborate: Collaborations of the Month, Notice board, Category Adoptions To do, Version 1.0 assesment, India Portal, Life in India, India quick links Indian Wikipedians, More... Requested images: Ilaiyaraaja, M. S. Subbulakshmi, R. K. Narayan, Free image of Aarti Chhabria Other requests: Add maps from WikiProject India Maps to articles of Indian regions found at List of regions in India Create links/categories to {{Elections in India}} template

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language scripts

You said in a recent edit to Kal Ho Na Ho that it was current policy to add Urdu. Can you point me to this policy on WP? You also said to see the IMBd article. Well, it also says Gujarati and Punjabi there; and of course we know its in English as well. Why not add them all? I thought we talked about this a while back and decided just to use the dominant language used in the film, so as not to confuse the English readers of the English Wikipedia. Do you realize that those squiggly characters are meaningless to most English speakers? So why?!? You also make many additions to people's articles, for example adding Kashmiri stuff recently. First you do not add a source that the people are indeed Kashmiri, so those changes should all be reverted. Secondly as I said before, it does not really add any value to the English site. So why why why is this so important to you????? BollyJeff || talk 13:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Anupam, please see my reply to your request about Urdu script in film articles at User talk:EdJohnston#When to provide the name of a Bollywood film in Urdu script as well as English and Hindi. It may take a bit of time for me to follow up. A 'standstill' needs the acquiescence of other admins to be enforced. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:11, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I agree with what this guy said "see little point in adding Urdu script to every article abouta Hindi film. I feel your time would be better spent with something which will actually help english readers. Adding Urdu to every Hindi film article unless it is of MAJOR importance to the film is just spamming. This is ENGLISH wikipedia."

After reading some of that stuff though, it seems there is no winning an argument with you. Its funny how I could not even find a article for Kal Ho Naa Ho on the Hindi or Persian Wikipedia (is there an Urdu one?), yet you feel the need to muck up the English Wikipedia with all this foreign language stuff. I especially like how every actor gets all these scripts added to their name even if they don't speak the language. For example, someone insists on adding Bengali to Lisa Ray, who is Canadian and the source said she speaks some Polish. No Polish script though, just Bengali. Wonder why? How do English speakers even know that what they and you are adding is correct? Is there a Bengali word for 'Lisa'? When I watch Bollywood films and see the film credits, the actors names are always in English are they not? Ah well, it is clear why there will never be top quality in middle-eastern Wikipedia articles, or an end to war in this world until the human race is extinct. BollyJeff || talk 00:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

That was my point all the time - what's the point of adding Urdu to Hindi films? Will we add Hindi scripts to Pakistani films as well? Anyway, I'm starting to feel sad for this state and at points I really think it's best to just remove all scripts and be friends again. Everybody knows that as of now there isn't any consensus because the last long discussion just killed everything that there was before and there was a strange "zero results" feel to it, except that everyone started getting personal and that's the saddest part, because instead of improving articles, we keep fighting over some petty scripts. Well... Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Carla Bruni

Hello - I have edited the page again and replied to your earlier objection on my own talk page. Mezigue (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Reply

Hey Anu, thanks for the message. I don't oppose to any such thing except I can't understand why admins in particular should be given the right to opine on the issue. If it's gonna happen then I hope it helps. If it doesn't go anywhere we'll just have to, as I said, remove every script and be friends again. Only one suggestion, please archive your talk page as it takes some time until it loads. Thanks, Shahid • ^Talk2me 21:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

APPEAL TO YOU Reg: [BRAHMAN PUJAN] , [UNIVERSAL PRAYERS] . written by [Naresh Sonee] On wikipedia , These above two pages are far older than the present article [Brahman] References of above titles are also available on New York site - http://www.printsasia.com/BookDetails.aspx?Id=445813482 Meanwhile, Can your good selves in Wiki Project Indian Community re-create a precise pages on [Naresh Sonee] & his book [Brahmand Pujan] – [Brahmaand Pujan] . However, Sonee is the writer of this book [Brahmand Pujan] written in 1999 . registered with Government of India- HRRD. Details of the registration is provided here on http://brhmaandpujanbook.tripod.com/ . More than sufficient, news and reviews are there on http://brhmaandpujan-news-reviews.tripod.com/ Since 5-6 yrs, for one or the other reason pages of [Naresh Sonee] & [Brahmand Pujan] are faced by communal bias from outside India so these articles over and again get deleted here in Wikipedia for minor reasons. However, many hits of - Naresh Sonee reflects on google search engine also. So, I request Wiki Indian community to kindly come forward and generously help these two pages to grow, as I am fed up to fight my case alone here [left] and moved out long back. Meanwhile, such an important info/issue on ‘Indian literature’ which adds & spell ‘new meaning /dimension’ to Brahman -should it stay lost else ignored? Your community panel has to judge at last. Myself, will not be on Wikipedia, for the same i apologise, but- pls. help these two pages to get reinstalled, reap, sow and grow, if you too feel so, I appeal to do this munificent favour. Regards- Dralansun (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:31, 27 December 2010 (UTC).

Kaif

please don't replace this against a clear talkpage consensus against it - if you dispute consensus and the reasons stated, go to the talkpage post your comments and wait for consensus to change, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 20:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

sock identification

Please check [20]. Can you tell me the main account of this particular POV pusher? --Enric Naval (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

A request

Hi,

I have a request for you. Could you help to fix the article on Pankaj Mullick?

Thanks,

GhanaDa (talk) 23:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Ekabhishek seems to have done the editing nicely. But the filmography section can be expanded, I suppose. I don't have access to the details like older photographs and citable film history. When I wrote to you,the article was on the verge of being deleted. But then, thanks. GhanaDa (talk) 15:21, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Anupam. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Image Help.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Article Tahash Timeline

Please look at the article Tahash, and on the Discussion Page: "Consensus on Timeline" give your opinion about the Timeline. Thank you. --Michael Paul Heart (talk) 13:40, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

uhh... is this you?

Somebody on Conservapedia has created an account with your name, and is basically plagerising your works. [21] If this is infact you, please disregard this notice. If you have not created an account at Conservapedia, or if this is not you who created the account and is copy/pasting all your works, please let me know. Lachybus (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Anupam. Its good to know that you don't mind them coping your work. But, just to clarify, are you the person on Conservapedia, or is somebody impersonating you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lachybus (talk • contribs) 09:24, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring

Anupam, you are close to violating the WP:3RR rule. Please have the courtesy of respecting WP:BRD while the discussion is on going. You made a bold move, and you were reverted, now you should discuss and not edit war your version back into the entry. The Barna study is about a broader irreligious category and not "atheism" specifically. Besides this your sources fail the test when it comes to reporting the findings of a scientific survey. You need academic sources to interpret the findings, and academic publishing processes to validate these interpretations. Neither exists. I've explained more fully on the talk page. Please self-revert and discuss. Thanks.Griswaldo (talk) 17:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Are you going to disappear now that you realize I wont revert you again? Don't do that please.Griswaldo (talk) 17:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Anupam: I want to strongly endorse Griswaldo's warning to you. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Please accept this invite to join the Conservatism WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to conservatism. Simply click here to accept! Lionel (talk) 03:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Centre for Intelligent Design

The article Centre for Intelligent Design has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No indication of importance. This article may qualify for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#A7. This rather new organization may be notable someday, but appears to have scant coverage other than blogs and re-publishings of the Guardian article cited. As such, this organization may not meet the WP:GNG inclusion criteria, specifically WP:SIGCOV, as well as WP:CORP.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

please STOP and use the talk page

Your changes do not have consensus. Please use the talk page prior to making them in order to gain consensus first.Griswaldo (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

When I reverted you had not posted to talk yet. Sorry but that's a fact. Also, please read WP:BRD. If you make an edit and it is reverted you need to put down the revert button and gain consensus on the talk page. Anything less is just edit warring. This is especially the case then your changes to this and related entries have been challenged a majority of the time by other editors. Calm down and discuss before making these changes. Now that you've left a message on the talk page let others reply and discuss your proposed changes. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 17:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Looking at your contribution history, I am surprised that nobody has granted you rollback rights. I have just done so. From now on, when viewing a diff, you will see a "rollback" link. Clicking on it will revert that diff and all previous sequential edits by the same editor. This is a convenience feature that administrators may grant to trusted users.

Please see WP:ROLLBACK for guidance. Use this tool only in cases of obvious vandalism or disruption, for it does not allow you to modify the edit summary. For any other reverts, continue using the "undo" feature, which allows you to explain your revert in the edit summary. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:14, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

American Family Association and SPLC

Hi Anupam, on the FRC talk page you expressed an interest about SPLC being inserted into the lede of AFA. You may want to look into this. Lionel (talk) 01:07, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

M. F. Husain in Marathi

Hi Anupam, I noticed that you amalgamated Marathi and Hindi spellings of the name of M. F. Hussain in the intro line. His name is spellied in the native language i.e. Marathi as मकबूल फिदा हुसेन and not as मक़बूल फ़िदा हुसैन, as is the case in Hindi. Spellings in Marathi and Hindi differ for many names and words, even though they share the same Devanagari script.

Anyways, I am reinstating the correct Marathi spelling in the article.

Thanks,

--Sankalpdravid (talk) 08:22, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Pashtunistan

Hi

Your recent edits are somewhat controversial. The new references are really appreciated. As an Afghan and being in the relevant field for many years, I differ. However, putting in all those different historians and their views and the relevant references will take some time to dig up, maybe months. I suggest, you do not add more changes. Give me sometime to clarify and expand upon my standpoint. Thank you. Dr Pukhtunyar Afghan (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Fry

Hey Anu how's tricks? Our friend seems to have been given a timeout! Edit warring over jpg vs. svg? This is one of the dumbest blocks I've ever seen. Scary to think that this guy will be back ruining the pedia in 24 hours. – Lionel ^(talk) 22:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Ehsan in urdu is not correct spelling

Hi,dear Anupam,realy I wanted my name also in urdu but I am not familiar to how to use the system I hope I will learn step by step from User:Nolelover and your kind good persons. Please correct name in urdu letters as it, Alif,Hay,Seen,Alif,and then Noon.You have to add in the name Ehsan between Seen and Noon,only Alif.Then it will be Ok.And also thank you for editing and taking a look at article Haji Laq Laq.God bless you.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 10:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Again mistake

Dear Anupam,thank for correction but there is again mistake,please Hey se Halwa wali hay not Hey se hathi wali Hey.Yani Hazoor,Ahmad mein jese Hey hoti hey.Teach me how to do it ,for it leave a note to my talk page.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

OK

Good and Ok,now is right,sometime happens,this kind of mistakes,no problem.Be in contact.Shukria. Sukhi raho.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 17:58, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you

Lo ji Anupam saheb,main pher hazir ho geya hoon. One more help me to fix my photo and book title,I have tried to fix myself many time .but didn't succeed.You open google enter ehsan sehgal and click,go to images,there is my photos and book title of Zarb-e-Sukhan.Please fix photo on top and book title in the books section.If you can it,will be very kind of you.Here,in The Hague is evening,and you are enjoying afternoon,I think.Thanks. Allah bhali kere.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Completely new abortion proposal and mediation

In light of the seemingly endless disputes over their respective titles, a neutral mediator has crafted a proposal to rename the two major abortion articles (pro-life/anti-abortion movement, and pro-choice/abortion rights movement) to completely new names. The idea, which is located here, is currently open for opinions. As you have been a contributor in the past to at least one of the articles, your thoughts on the matter would be appreciated.

The hope is that, if a consensus can be reached on the article titles, the energy that has been spent debating the titles of the articles here and here can be better spent giving both articles some much needed improvement to their content. Please take some time to read the proposal and weigh in on the matter. Even if your opinion is simple indifference, that opinion would be valuable to have posted.

To avoid accusations that this posting violates WP:CANVASS, this posting is being made to every non-anon editor who has edited either page since 1 July 2010, irrespective of possible previous participation at the mediation page. HuskyHuskie (talk) 19:52, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Need your help

Hello Anupam,how are you. The image has been uploaded by my immediate family,it is taken from my facebook and image is my personal thing.But I am told that it is copy right,can you help in this regard,please see the tag on my talk page.ThanksEhsan Sehgal (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion needed

Anupam Saheb,it is going to raise the trouble,after image uplouding,there has been fixed four tags on the article including article deletion suggested by User:Biker Biker,in article edit history,it is four five time has been suggested,last month on the base of consensus,the article was safe,now again is being created problem.Please discuss the issue in talk page and review and give your bold and fair opinion.I hope you will not ignore it.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 02:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Checking Additions to Conditional Security and Apostasy in Christianity articles

Greetings Anupam,

You recently added the United Methodist Church in the above two articles, but I am unable to find the book "Fall from Grace" from Rev. Chamberlain that you quote in the footnote. The quote is fine, but people need to be able to verify the quote. I cannot find the book (or maybe it is a small booklet) anywhere. There is no date and page number that goes with the quote. Could you please help me out here? This resource should be accessible to others in one way or another, or we should probably use a more recognized resource for the UMC on this issue. In Methodist doctrine: the essentials by Ted Campbell, Abingdon Press, 1999, Campbell writes: "In affirming the possibility of losing faith and justification, Methodists reject the doctrine of “eternal security” taught in some churches (especially Reformed churches, and many Baptist churches). (page 60) This is the best quote from a reliable source that I have found. I am going to check out the book Major United Methodist Beliefs which has a section "Once in Grace, Always in Grace?", that appears to address this issue. Google Books only allows a snippet view of this book, so I will have go to the library and find it. ThanksClassArm (talk) 18:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Anupam, I don't know how to enable the e-mail so you can send the infomation to witzki1 (at) kc (dot) rr (dot) com--thanksClassArm (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Kashmir copyvio

This edit appears to have added the same or close-paraphrased text from Land and people of Indian states and union territories By S. C. Bhatt, Gopal Bhargava into Kashmir. I have removed the paragraph from the article. You seem to be an experienced editor but refrain from adding copyrighted text into articles. If you have done the same in this article or others in the past, please remove the text as well.--NortyNort (Holla) 11:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Please don't refer to content disputes as vandalism

"Rvv" is short for "revert vandalism". Vandalism is the defacement of a page for the sole purpose of wanton destruction; it is not a content dispute. Please check out WP:NOTVAND and Wikipedia:Not everyone who disagrees with you is a vandal. Magog the Ogre (talk) 17:27, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

result

Kiya hal he,Anupam,Salaam,article discussion result is keep,thanks for your opinion.Khus raho. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Give your opinion

http://www.urdutoday.com/content/terms-and-conditions

Hello,Anupam,this is urdutoday.com, a website.

Please tell me it is website or a forum.? I think it is

website, read terms and conditions,may you reach any result.

Please reply. Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 15:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Asking for help on assumed vandalism

I refer to your "The Tireless Contributor Barnstar" "for your Tireless work in reverting vandalism". In short, my problem is like this: At the web page for Andrew McIntosh (professor) there is a link to the page Violation of the second law of thermodynamics where however his argument related to this topic is embellished out of all recognition and replaced what I call a strawman. I tried to add what I believe is his real standpoint sourced from his papers: [[22]] but it is constantly being erased and when I try to engage my opponents in discussion, they always make just empty claims w/o providing any evidence for they position and when I challenge them with my Qs, they always fail to answer and at the end I'm subject of warnings of being blocked while even NPOV label is not allowed to be raised -only one-sided opinion can be present on the main page. Pls. advise if this is in line with WP policies. I tend to regard such approach for vandalism. Thanx a lot--Stephfo (talk) 00:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Please see WP:CANVAS. Asking for clarification on policy is one thing... but you have apparently selected an editor who you think will agree with your POV to recruit him into the discussion. If so, that behavior is not appropriate. Please don't do that. See WP:DR if you're looking for wider input.   — Jess· Δ♥ 00:28, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Existence of God

Would you please bother to look in the talk page, where there was already a thread on this topic at Talk:Existence_of_God#Pascal.27s_Wager, where it's obvious that Pascal's wager doesn't belong in this article. Abhishikt (talk) 18:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you respond on the article's talk page, as why Pascal's wager is relevent to the article? Abhishikt (talk) 19:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

May you

Salaam dear Anupam,last week I was invited to participate in seminar Faiz Ahmad Faiz 2011 held in London U.K by Urdu Tahreek Aalami London.Here are some news and videos,may you use it for expanding and citing the article.You know Urdu very well that's why I need your help to improve the article.User:Nolelover has so much helped,I will ask him when I have English sources.I hope you will take it with" Khushi se".Khuda Hafiz.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 15:58, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/?view=000919.gif

http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/?view=000918.gif

http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/?view=000911.gif

http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ehsan+sehgal&aq=f

http://beyondlanguage.net/2011/07/ehsan-sehgal-reads-poetry-at-the-universal-interfaith-peace-mission/

Your recent revert

OMG you reverted my edit. Oh the pain of it all. I shall never recovery from the tyranny of 3RR...only joking of course...so, it seems then that there is still a problem regarding this revert because although the cited uses are as you point out not critics, they also are simply discussing A. (noun) and using a formulation of M+A(Adj+Noun) but now we have a compound Proper Noun being given a life of its own with these very citations used rather deceptively. I am not sure what the fix is, but the real difficulty will be explaining and obtaining consensus as the POV warriors dig their heels in. Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Atheism 3.0

I am considering an appeal of the deletion of this article which I created from scratch and which had been previously deleted. They userfied the article without due process but there was never a recreation ban so I am considering a formal appeal. Perhaps you would have some advice or input. Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the point of this edit?

[23] It's not a "list".Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 00:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

And this one

Off topic. [24] The article is not about this, at all. Could you explain your logic?Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 00:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I see what's going on with this section and the ext link makes more sense now that I have delved into the section. The section is close to a line of, maybe on the OR or SYNTH side in that it links Science policy with Atheism enforcement but that is what actually did go on in USSR. Thus, the topics are quite different and any normal set up would be ! OT. But things were so bizarre at that point in history - they are two different topics, but the craziness of the Stalin era of dialectical materialism is precisely this interfusion of science and religion which, in the west, are diff. A tip of the hat to Anupam or actually the whole editorial board on the article. Maybe at some point a {Main|.... will evolve...er, I mean to say split regarding this specific matter.Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 00:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

MA

Good job on that proposal for the intro. – Lionel ^(talk) 01:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually I liked it very much also as long as subsequent mods which are on the page now are included.Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Please reply

Salaam Anupam,I am asking help from administrator,please guide me in this regard and be first to translate urdu as you did in poetry section.Please visit my talk page and give your opinion. Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 21:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

The one part that seems particularly incorrect

"In general, scientists..."doesn't match the reference. That part seems pretty straightforward, what do you think about modifying that.

{{Quotation|In general Scientists...}

Alternatively, there may very well be sources that say this. But look at the ref.Devilishlyhandsome (talk) 23:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

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Litterary career section

Salaam Anupam Bhai,One Dutch User:Drmies has helped me to citing references for Dutch newspapers,I hope you will cite references for Urdu newspapers and websites etc.You ask me for hindi name,it's OK,you can do it.Here are some ashaar from three Ghazals.Be sure these will not be removed from article again,because there already has been cleaup.If you add the ashaar in the Literary Career section,first you have to add the references and then citation.It will improve the article.And also add the Award with reference daily dharti and citing it.Both links you have already.Looking forward your help in this regard.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Ashaar

Tum ne kaha tha ghar kabhi aane ko keya hoowa

KeyooN pochthe ho pher k dwane ko keya hoowa

Wo qatl ker rahe heiN sere aam her jagah

Khamos hey satam pe,zamane ko keya hoowa

Ye zehr kis ne ghola hey,ye kis ki chal hey

Aapas meiN dushmani hey,gharane ko keya hoowa

Shikwa naheiN mra to faqat ye sawal hey

Wo wada jo kiya tha,nibhane ko keya hoowa

Sehgal ye may ghamoN ko mitane ki hey dawa

YaroN ne kuch pila di,pilane ko keya hoowa ---

Hum bhi safe merdaN meiN kabhi shamil thee

Hum se koi tasweer purani maNge ---

Sehgal ye zamana hey milawat se pur

Hum jhoot mila such hi kaha kerte heiN

Text for the Award. " Faiz Ahamd Faiz Award 2011,by Urdu Tahreek Aalami London, U.K "

Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

For citation.

Dear Anupam,poem is removed,it does not matter,Lady is right.Here is the link for citation,Award,and book Zarb-e-Sukhan. Daily dharti news,in the news all contents are about award and Zarb-e Sukhan.You can read it yourslf.This is new reference,you have to add it first and then to cite for award and zarb-e-sukhan.Other awards should remain same because I am waiting urdutoday .com reliability.Text for this new award.

"Faiz Ahmad Faiz Award" in 2011 from Urdu Tahreek Aalami London,U.K

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http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/?view=000911.gif (link for citation )

Thanks for adding Hindi name. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• You added and cited link and book ZS,but you did not add the Faiz award (see text above),and citation?.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks,adding award but you again forgot it to cite with reference.6.Please cite it if you can,because you can read the urdu. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 06:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• Anupam bhai keya ho geya hey aap ko,ooper wale link,roznamadharti hi mein itni bari surkhi lagi

hey Faiz award milne ki,nazar nahein aai?.You have all ready added the link (reference.6),you need only to cite it to Faiz Ahmad Faiz Award.May be you fix Faiz Ahmad Faiz with wiki link too.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 09:09, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

• Bahot bahot shukria Anupam bhai,Allah bhali kere. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 18:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

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Need help again for citation

Ref.Ehsan Sehgal Awards section.

Hello,Anupam bhi,aazadi-e-Hind,(day of independence) mobarak ho.How are you?.I am here again for your kind help.Here is a news from daily dharti in which two awards have been stated in the end of news,in urdu. This.

• "Molana Maher-ul-Qadri Award" in 2001 from Urdu Trust London, U.K.[citation needed]
• "Allama Shariq Jamal Award" in 2005 from Bazm-e-Shaoor-e-Adab. Jaipur, India.[citation needed]

Please cite this reference to the awards and remove the tags citation needed. I do not know,that you have to add this daily dharty again or not, because reference of daily dharti is already there.I hope you will help in this regard.Any question,please let me know.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:09, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry forgot to add daily dharti link,here is,

http://www.roznamadharti.com/holand_news/?view=001017.gif

Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

• Bahot bahot shukria,bhai Anupam,now I think no any section,there is needed references?.I am going to ask User:Drmies to remove tag on top.Am I right to ask him now or not?.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 20:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you remove?

Actually I am keeping myself away from the article because of the subject of article,It will be kind of you,if you do helping me in this regard.Waiting forward to---?.Cheers. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

• Bhi Anupam aap ke mohN meiN lado,barfi,I will be always in contact with you to learn many things about wikipedia.Now I am busy in List of Pakistani poets and journalists,accessing notability.God bless you in every way of life.Thanks. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:25, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

• May you take a look at my User talk Ehsan Sehgal page.User:Drmies has left a message on my page.I do not know why?. Any---?. Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Faiz Ahmad Faiz

• - Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Autograph_as_signature_in_infobox

Hi - I have reverted your revert - you didn't explain at all why you did it. There is a discussion at the BLP noticeboard, please join in there - lets attempt to find a consensus for such additions, thanks - Off2riorob (talk) 03:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Objections to Evolution - 3RR

You are now at 3RR at this article. I'm sure you know our policy about this. Dougweller (talk) 20:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. I don't think you are edit warring but the first edit, although only a partial revert, does count. Dougweller (talk) 20:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Ehsan Danish

Hi,Anupam bhai,Kiya haal heiN,kese ho.I am here for your help to fix the Urdu name of Ehsan Danish in right direction,it is now Danish Ehsan instead of Ehsan Danish in Urdu.I hope you will change it. Have a good time,thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

• Lot of thanks,and if you find more references please add and cite them.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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For fixing

Dear Anupam,please fix this urdu script name فا طمہ مر تضی بھٹو to Fatima Bhutto born,Fatima Murtaza Bhutto(------------) on----I tried but could not fix.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• Two link are as under,please take a look at them and tell me they are copyright or not?.Thanks.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 21:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

• http://www.urdumania.com/tag/ihsan-danish-history

• http://forum.urduworld.com/f620/biography-urdu-poets-ehsan-danish-217061/

• Thanks a lot bhai Anupam,I think you are very busy in other matters,I don't see you much active.Ehsan Sehgal (talk) 17:35, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Re:Re:A cookie for you!

Haha, yep, a glass of milk completes it. You are most definitely welcome, I'm so glad I made you happy. You are making a great difference here, and we are very glad you are a Wikipedian. You have a wonderful evening as well! I hope I can talk to you soon. Pinkstrawberry02™ ^talk 21:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Article ownership is becoming a problem

Anupam, I would like to officially warn you about the fact that you are crossing the line at Militant atheism when you police the entry in the manner you have been doing. WP:OWN is a policy, and you are violating it. Please consider this an opportunity to reflect on what you are doing and consider a more collegial and collaborative approach to editing the entry. If other editors think that a tag is necessary, and put it up in good faith then you need to discuss the matter with them on the talk page and not immediately remove the tag because you think you're right. I hope we don't need to go further in the dispute resolution process regarding this issue. Cheers.Griswaldo (talk) 20:34, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not Anupam's fault that his persuasive argmuents have swayed most of the editors at the article. Instead of posting frivolous warnings why not try to find an argument that is as persuasive as Anupams? – Lionel ^(talk) 02:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk page removals

Do not remove normal, unharmful talk page entries, per WP:TPO. Binksternet (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

This is a formal warning of a potential violation of WP:3RR at Talk:Militant atheism. Do not get blocked for edit warring over the guideline at WP:TPO. The talk page is for discussion, and discussion is what I am after. Binksternet (talk) 15:57, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk page edits

You shouldn't edit the top of discussions, you should just add comments to below what ever you are replying to. It's a big wiki no-no. You also should try not to edit your previous edits unless you use strikes and whatnot to show how it was before your edit. Basically, no one should ever have to go to the history page to see exactly how a discussion unfolded, it should be obvious. If you add something to the top, a reader now has to look through the history to see what the question was at the time of a particular reply. Also, could you please archive your talk page, or bland the first few hundred sections. My browser can barely load this page. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 00:56, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

I meant blank instead of bland. Also, a good/extreme example of not editing one's own posts. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 01:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding User_talk:Peregrine_Fisher#Re:Talk_page_edits. No problem. After years I still haven't got automatic archiving like I wish I had. Also, it's best to usually reply on one's own talk page, instead of replying on the other person's. That way later on it's easy to see exactly what the conversation was without having to look at two pages and compare timestamps.

Although I think I'm a dab person and you would like to keep the militant atheism article as one page (not entirely sure which you prefer, so forgive me), I think you've done some good referencing on that article. Keep it up. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 01:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring on Talk:Militant atheism

Your recent edits seem to have the appearance of edit warring. Users are expected to collaborate and discuss with others and avoid editing disruptively.

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I'm adding this warning because you appear to be at the very least unaware that you were edit warring (as per this discussion here: [25]). Take particular notice of bullet point (2). Please refrain from edit warring in the future. aprock (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity

Thanks for the message on my talk page. I'm afraid Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity is not an option, and of course proposing to delete Militant atheism would have no hope at all. You may want to try Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity, although it seems you have already received lots of contributions to the RfC. StAnselm (talk) 02:04, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Please help me understand

Anupam I'd like to know about this Catholicism/Methodism thing. Why is it that on your user page you say emphatically that you are a Methodist but in two separate threads recently you claimed to be Catholic? Of course, you do not have to tell anyone what your religion is, but you have chosen to do so as part of an argument, and have contradicted yourself. What worries me here isn't that you are one or the other. Indeed I don't care what your actual religious affiliation is. What worries me is the possible deception going on here. Are you even a Methodist or a Catholic? Why are you being deceptive about all this?Griswaldo (talk) 12:55, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Outrageous. I can't imagine a fellow Wikipedian behaving in this manner. Other editors have recently had issues with them. Does anyone know Griswaldo? Has their account been compromised? – Lionel ^(talk) 14:06, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

The only outrageous thing that I see is your comment Lionel. Compromised account? Other editors have recently had issues with me? Give me a break. There is nothing outrageous about engaging Anupam on comments he has himself made. User:Anupam has the United Methodist banner on it, yet twice in trying argue against accusations of canvassing he claims to be Catholic - see [26], [27]. He has argued that User:StAnselm is not likeminded since he is a Calvinist and Anupam is a Catholic. I think the fact that he claims to be a Methodist is completely relevant, since Methodists are Protestants (like Calvinists) and not Catholics. What I find troubling about it, is not whether or not he's actually Protestant, but again, it is the use of deception here. I'd like to hear an explanation. Do you agree with misrepresenting your religious background and contradicting yourself in order to win arguments on Wikipedia? The political gaming here is absurd.Griswaldo (talk) 14:42, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Please see here: [28]. aprock (talk) 08:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

And a warning to you too

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A cup of tea for you!

After what you've been through put some brandy in it! Check this out, it may cheer you up [29] – Lionel (talk) 02:19, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

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Kaif RfC

Well you seem to have a majority in favor, although many of these editors do not understand that you are trying to add a name that she is NOT commonly known by. I know you know this is true. Could you please just consider adding it in the personal section rather than in the lead as some editors suggested, and close out this RfC? I had added some sourced text saying that her original name was Katrina Turquotte, but I don't know how that happened. Were her parents divorced when she was born? I would be greatful if you would help to solve mysteries like this, and add useful information to articles, rather than just pushing scripts even in cases like this and Lisa Ray, where the article could easily do without them. BollyJeff || talk 16:14, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Why does the Dia Mirza page have Hindi, Telugu, and Urdu; but not Bengali or German? Do you see how messy it becomes when you open up this box? BollyJeff || talk 16:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

You didn't answer my question above... and please do not revert, but just add your text to what's there, thanks. BollyJeff || talk 19:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Thanksgiving discussion

I see that you moved to a much less conspicuous place my comment encouraging others to propose additional lede options. It seems to me that -- in the interest of openness -- this invitation should be made clear at the top of the section. Johnlumea (talk) 04:40, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thankyou

Very much for the invite- gratefully accepted- Merry Christmas.andycjp (talk) 06:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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Could you please take a look at WP:NPOVN#Qais Abdur Rashid. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 12:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Scripts again

I think you would be interested in this. But be nice. BollyJeff || talk 18:07, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Please note Special:Contributions/Arthur Rubin has a problem with deleting User talk comments that are not his

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• User_talk:Geofferybard#Thank_you_Geofferybard_for_your_addition_to_Water_crisis_of_Water_resource_policy 99.119.130.203 (talk) 05:12, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
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In case you haven't noticed, the IP user (note singular) has a tendency to leave talk page comments on his own (prior) IP talk pages. Recently, I've only been removing them if they are spammed and (incomprehensible or improperly formatted). The guideline above allows removal if spammed or incomprehensible. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Anupam - Thank you for your message on my Talk page, which I assume was in response to a comment I left on the Halloween page. I'd be happy to hear your feedback, whenever it is convenient for you (like after the festivities maybe?). I would just like to say that I had no wish to enter into an edit war; indeed, I made a single reversion. While I understand that others may not share my subtle concerns about the wording of the sentence in question (or even find them pedantic), I do not see why they should be rejected out of hand as if the the current text were untouchable. That's all. Regards, MistyMorn (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

No problem at all! Do take your time... I really would like to avoid making a mountain out of a molehill, as often seems to happen too readily on WP. Enjoy your Christmas. Regards, MistyMorn (talk) 20:16, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

cold weather

hi there. as one of the folks who made cold weather: it was released theatrically Feb 4, 2011. please refrain from deleting that information from the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.236.108.83 (talk) 07:10, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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Not sure if it's automated or not, but still nice to have! --ChristianHistory (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Transliteration

Hi Anupam! Can you add the Punjabi transliterations (Shahmukhi and Gurmukhi) for Bullah Ki Jaana? Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 08:05, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, I've added a new comment to the DYK nomination. I'm afraid the problem now is sourcing, and a link to Facebook. None of this can't be overcome of course so message me back once the changes have been done. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 12:53, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

No worries, glad that I can help! I've replied to the DYK nomination again. I'll reply to any further improvements sometime tomorrow hopefully. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 22:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for being prompt. I've replied again. The Facebook source is still a problem to solve I'm afraid. See what you think of my reasoning. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 22:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you dear :).Jobas (talk) 20:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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Katrina Kaif and others

Look at the clarification that he added. BollyJeff || talk 15:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

"I will be contacting him in the near future to address this issue" meaning that you do not intend to honor the result of the consensus on dozens of editors, but rather go around by yourself and try again solo. I expected no less from you. BTW, you reverted my other edits on the page too. BollyJeff || talk 16:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Why do you call it my proposal? It was not mine; but it has already passed. As you can see I am not blindly removing scripts from every actor, only the ones that really should not have them. I hope this helps. BollyJeff || talk 16:29, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite!

Thank you for inviting me to join the Christianity project, Anupam. As much as I agree with the Project's aims, I don't think I can commit to it right now. I will keep you in mind, though. --Kenatipo ^speak! 17:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite

Hi Anupam and thanks for the invite! I'm glad to join the Christianity project. Tikru8 (talk) 13:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Why should a rant not be removed from Aisha bint Abu Bakr?

Please tell me how the stuff I removed from Aisha bint Abu Bakr was not a POV charged quite sectarian rant at least in form. I cannot judge the content but surely the form was not encylopedic? Or is Wikipedia in the business of calling people of a certain sectarian persuasion "scum"?? I don't quite understand why this is qualified as "experimenting with editing", which it was very much not IMHO. Thank you. -- 77.21.99.8 (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

The Right Stuff: January 2012

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Re: Big Bang

rv - once again, please wait until the RfC concludes before making contentious changes to the article

Please explain exactly what is "contentious" about removing a poorly sourced article that contains three maintenance tags—one for cleanup, another for unsourced content, and another for original research—from a highly visible featured article. Do you think we should link to poorly sourced articles containing original research? For your information, there is no RFC in progress, so why should I wait until a nonexistent RFC concludes to remove material that explicitly violates our most important policies? Viriditas (talk) 06:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear User:Viriditas, as you know, one of the proposals being discussed on the talk page involves moving the content from the section in question to the article, Religious interpretations of the Big Bang theory. Removing the link from the main article, when others have proposed keeping that link in the "See also" section, or in its current position was inappropriate. Moreover, I looked at the article and saw that it did have references in every section. In addition, nominating the article for deletion despite the fact that the topic is a very notable one (as delineated by the plethora of sources discussing it) was also unwarranted. Please kindly wait for the discussion at the talk page to conclude before making any contentious changes to the article. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. With regards, Anupam^Talk 09:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

You did not answer my question, and the article most certainly does not have references in every section, so I will need to ask you to look at the article again. You will notice right away that the "Buddhist View" section is entirely unsourced, the "Christian and Jewish views" section contains an entire unsourced paragraph, the "Hindu view" section contains out of date and off topic content, and the "View of Islam" is based entirely on primary sources. Finally, the lead section is mostly unsourced. Your allegation that the prod is unwarranted is not supported, and there is no reason for me to "wait" for anything to start or conclude when you are entirely incapable of providing a single source to support your claim that the intersection of religion and science on the topic of the Big Bang is notable and important. Viriditas (talk) 09:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

RFC comments

I notice that you added commentary in the question portion of the Big Bang RFC. Please don't do that. I narrowed the focus to "religion" for a reason (explained in the previous section on that page), and that was endorsed by other editors. If you feel the scope should be expanded, the place to say that is your summary statement and/or the discussion section.

I'm asking you to move your comment there, as a more polite option to me moving it. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 04:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

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Syracuse University religious affiliation

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Dear Anupam, Hello. Am very glad to visit your fine User page and to see the many fine edits youve done in the past, and continue to do. Im sorry to bother you, but there seems to be a couple of problems regarding your edits of the above mentioned article, on Chitti Gatti village, essentially (a) the ancient Hindu temple and worship, fstivals etc at this site, relate to the god/deity Siva/Shiva and the Siva/Shiva Lingam (or Ling) is esentially a manifestation of the same, not a separate deity as seems to be suggested by the quote from Major Wace's old Settlement Report (1874) that youd cited; and (b) and since the quote from this Report itself seems to be of rather erroneous nature, and rather long and verbose, I also deemed it fit to remove it.I hope this is ok with you, please, and that in case you feel that we need to work this out, youd kindly discuss the matter on the article's Talk page. Thank you, and best regards, Khani100 (talk) 21:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)Khani100

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Ichthus: May 2012

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Hello! I appreciate you taking the time to read this unblock request. I am not sure why I was blocked for escalation at ANI. A thread was started about me here and you were the last administrator to comment at ANI, which is why I asked you whether the addition of multiple notices was appropriate, and you stated that it was not. Many users formed a section titled "Lies" about me, and I responded to these allegations there, in order to defend myself. I am unsure why User:Bobrayner was not blocked for adding the tendentious notices in the first place, and I was blocked for simply responding to the charges against me. I apologize if I have done anything wrong but I do not see why you blocked me in the first place, especially when I have never been blocked before. If I am wrong, then I agree to cease any unwanted behavior in the future. Thanks for taking the time to read this request to unblock me. With regards, Anupam^Talk 15:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Decline reason:

A prerequisite for unblocking is an indication that the editor indicates that he understands why he was blocked. That obviously isn't the case here. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Arbcom case

I have filed an arbcom case related to the mailing list that you are alledged is coordinating. You can review the case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Anupam_.26_Bobrayner and provide a statement. Hipocrite (talk) 17:47, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

My concern was that the exact same group of editors (User:Mann jess, User:Artifex Mayhem, User:Dominus Vobisdu, User:Abhishikt, User:Bob rayner, User:BD2412, User:Aprock, User:IRWolfie-, etc.) were all able to show up at RfC A, B, C, D, E, as well as this ANI report so swiftly, making similar supporting statements, indicating a likelihood of offsite coordination. Other users have stated, in regards to the ANI case in particular, that "from the whole discussion here that if you remove the partisans/users that are editing from a diametrically opposed real life belief to Anupam that there is/was no consensus amongst the uninvolved commenters." Nevertheless, I do not intend on participating in the ArbCom discussion on this issue as I am EXTREMELY busy in real life. In fact, after the ANI issue closes, I was planning to take a VERY LONG break from Wikipedia. I value the contributions of the said editors above, even if we are often found disagreeing with one another, and would prefer not to participate in an ArbCom case against them. However, I would recommend bringing up this issue at the ANI thread, mentioning this evidence of offsite canvassing and having the thread closed as being a content dispute, which is what many uninvolved editors have been saying all along (e.g. Exhibit One, Exhibit Two, Exhibit Three, Exhibit Four, Exhibit Five). You can pursue the issue if you feel it is necessary; however, I will not participate in this issue and will be on a break soon. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 18:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

You will take part as you are making very serious statements about other users. If you can not substantiate these (I know your can't) then I will expect repercussions for you. IRWolfie- (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I will not be able to take part in anything for a while due to a personal situation. Moreover, my claim is based on the information I added above. As I stated, I do not advocate an ArbCom at this time. Cheers, Anupam^Talk 19:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

It's too late, an ArbCom was started based on your comments. Frivolous claims are not acceptable. I have already explicitly dealt with your comments in the ANI discussion, I have already explained how I arrived at the Big Bang RfC, repeatedly [31]. IRWolfie- (talk) 19:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Sure, that could be a possibility and I generally assume good faith; the possibility still exists, however, of there being some coordination. I will be taken a break soon and if you wish to pursue your potential involvement further, you are more than welcome to. With regards, Anupam^Talk 19:41, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Note that you are an involved party; comments will be expected from you by the arbitrators. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Now would be a good time to either present your evidence or retract the accusation. bobrayner (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

Apparently, when I took my phone out of my back pocket to check my watchlist, my finger must have touched the revert button. What is strange is that it happened to revert your page. Sorry about that. Viriditas (talk) 05:49, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Dear User:Viriditas, it's quite alright, accidents happen all the time :) Also, I should have not gotten upset with you when you placed the notice regarding the cannabis article on my talk page and should have taken it in good faith. I should have fully understood the paraphrasing policy instead of going to ANI and I recognize that I misunderstood it, even after being here for several years, which is quite honestly, embarrassing. I know it probably doesn't mean much since the thread is open but I'm sorry for that and hope you'll accept my apology too. If I'm still around after the thread is closed, I'd be glad to have you as my mentor on improving articles where I've paraphrased incorrectly. Have a good night User:Viriditas, Anupam^Talk 05:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You want who to mentor you? Anu! Buddy! Compadre! Of all the editors you know... What about the guy who started The Right Stuff? Or that other guy who got The Conservatism Portal to Featured? Or what's his name that uploaded that really really cool Daisy video (right). Any of those guys whould make a great mentor... in my most humble and considered opinion!!!! – Lionel ^(talk) 06:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Lionel, that video is outrageous. Can you imagine the impact it must have had in 1964? It boggles the mind. Anupam, I appreciate your kind words, but you deserve a mentor like John Carter (talk · contribs), but of course, that would be up to him. I can only offer you advice at this point, as the community is getting ready to make a decision about you. I can tell you, however, that, like the Christian community, the Wikipedia community is very forgiving and would gladly welcome you if you would just follow the five pillars. More importantly, if you can be of service to others, that would go a long way towards building goodwill, and there are lots of open tasks on Wikipedia waiting for editors to dive in and get their hands dirty. There's also quite a number of core topics waiting to be expanded, and many more requested articles that need to be created. You may also want to experiment with creating new articles in your user space outside the religion/politics topic area, and expand them until they meet the DYK criteria. Then, submit them for peer review, GA, and eventually, FA. There's a lot to do here, and if you show a willingness to put aside your past conflicts and serve the community as a volunteer, I'm sure everyone would be more than happy to have you here. Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Notice of restrictions

[32]

The following facts have been clearly established:

• You have engaged in problematic conduct
• This includes plagiarism, POV-pushing and edit-warring
• There is evidence of canvassing in respect of this discussion

The overall conclusion is that you are attempting to push Wikipedia content in the direction of sympathy with your POV, and are supported in this by others who share that POV.

My reading of the consensus from this debate is as follows:

1. You are placed on a final warning with respect to plagiarism. Any further examples of plagiarism will result in an immediate and lengthy ban. No further warnings need be issued, any administrator noting plagiarised content inserted by you from this date may block immediately for a period at their discretion but probably between one and twelve months, which block would be considered a community ban per the consensus here, so that any appeal would be to WP:BASC.
2. You are placed on 1RR parole for 6 months.
3. You may be topic banned by any uninvolved administrator from any article where you appears to be violating WP:NPOV (especially WP:UNDUE). No further warning is necessary. Initial topic bans should be of short duration but escalating durations in case of second or subsequent issues would be appropriate.

If the above do not yield the required improvement in your behaviour, the matter should be remitted to Arbcom.

I believe this is at the light end of what consensus supports, in reflection of the fact that you have been here a long time with a clean block record. Guy (Help!) 11:20, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Anupam, I think that Guy has been very lenient with you and the restrictions imposed are indeed "at the light end of what consensus supports". And, frankly, I'm OK with his assumption of good faith in you. So, I'll offer you a bit of advice that I hope you will consider: rather than "taking a break for some time, in order to reflect on these issues", I would suggest instead that you heed the advice from Viriditas and spend some time WikiGnoming on some low profile, but much needed tasks such as open tasks or the others that he mentioned. That sort of activity might go a long way towards reestablishing the trust of the community. I most sincerely hope you have a nice day. Mojoworker (talk) 16:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

=Archive talkpage

Hi Anupam - your page is really long, please archive it or allow me to help you do it. - Youreallycan 16:39, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

thanks

Collect (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Revert at Arbcom

I have reverted your addition to another editors [33] statement box, please put statements in your own comment box. IRWolfie- (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Aelosoma!

Hey man. I found your latest wikipedia page in the 'latest articles' section (you know - the special page). I was trying to help out by adding the stub notice. :) I did a bit of reading about guidelines and thought it might be helpful. Anyway, thanks for the welcome! Boweruk (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

A message of support

Hi Anupam,

You have done some sterling work on South Asian articles, which I believe is a subject area that is particularly under represented in Wikepedia. Keep up the good work.

--WALTHAM2 (talk) 10:13, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Exorcist in the 21st Century

Following this AfD, I have userfied the article to User:Anupam/The Exorcist in the 21st Century. Please do not return it to the mainspace without checking with me that the reasons for userfying have been overcome, so that it meets WP:Notability (films). If I do not respond promptly, try MichaelQSchmidt (talk) - I would happily accept his opinion. Failing that, you would need to go to WP:Deletion review. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

References

Please use high quality references per WP:MEDRS such as review articles or major textbooks. Note that review articles are NOT the same as peer reviewed articles. Cheers
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Can you review Kashmiri Pandit article Edits

Hi Anupam, Could you review the recent edits (& subsequent reverts) on the Kashmiri Pandit article. Your feedback & comments would be welcome. -Ambar (talk) 09:16, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Also have a draft of the Kashmiri Pandit article in my sandbox, & could use a review & some suggestions from you. -Ambar wiki (talk) 05:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Namastey & Thanks for your recent edits and improvements to my Sandbox article on Kashmiri Pandits. Much Appreciated. I did already, a few weeks ago, did a quick read and a minor edit to the Haksar article that you created. Will spend some more time on it over the next week. In the meanwhile, do take a look at the page 'List of Kashmiri People'. Felt that it was in a mess and put it in alphabetical order. However, it is still in need of more citations and links. A review and some additions may help improve the article. & the answer to your question is Yes. :-> -Ambar wiki (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Article on Irreligion

I want to discuss your insistence on linking the article on Irreligion to the Christianity Portal. Please remove the link, because irreligion applies to all religions and only Christianity. I do not use a user account and do not like the edit wars subculture of the "wikipedians" so I urge you to "do the needful" and disassociate irreligion from Christianity, because frankly, it is not the only religion that those following irreligion reject. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.103 (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

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I'm new at this and not really an editor. But for months my article improvements are being Stalked and deleted I believe by an evil editor - Bullmoosebell. Its editorial harrasment. It occured to me now, I'm being singled (for evil) out becasue of my Log user name too. The spirit says, "vindictive". — Preceding unsigned comment added by YahwehSaves (talk • contribs) 05:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

YahwehSaves (a.k.a. sockpuppet 75.79.31.20), you are not being singled-out by me, you are being analyzed by many editors and administrators because you continue to make make disruptive edits. You have been educated on the policies & guidelines and manual of style (to include use of an article's talk page "to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors") on numerous occasions. You've been warned, even blocked from editing for periods of time, because of your disruptive edits and choice to ignore the policies & guidelines and manual of style.

Additionally, you make shadowing edits without logging into your account, which is sockpuppeting (another violation), and that IP address has been punished previously as well.

You are not new. In more than 13 months of editing, rather than educating yourself on & adhering to the publications you've been provided, you've chosen to continue your disruptive edits, and even engaged in edit warring (another violation). Having done so, you've lost much credibility in the Wikipedia community.

Now, because you are being warned with punishment again and each of your edits are being scrutinized, you are taking this personal and displaying and offensive posture with insults (another violation). Research the publications you've been provided with, then follow the information provided. If you require further education, please see the principles of Wikipedia. Bullmoosebell (talk) 09:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Archiving

Do you not believe in archiving? — raekyt 05:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

How do I go About this?

The page List of scandals involving evangelical Christians has some serious issues, with a particular section of it concerning Jason Russell. An editor continually reverts my edits on certain issues and is not willing to engage me in conversation on the Talk Page List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#Issues_with_the_Jason_Russell_Section. The info presented on the page is clearly erroneous and it seems the other editor is hell bent on keeping it. Since this page comes under the purview of Wikipedia: WikiProject_Christianity,how do I go about it and bring it towards the attention of relevant editors? I posted it on the notice board on project christianity and requested discussion on it. Is that enough?? I am asking this to you because I was introduced to project christianity by you, and I do not know who else to ask this to. Can you help? Sanju87 (talk) 15:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

The edit war continues

The changes and edits you made has been reverted, besides that the warring user removed the page needs attention notice posted by WP: X. I think the only logical course of action would be seeking WP: AN3 or conflict resolution? Sanju87 (talk) 05:15, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

To update, I requested a 3rd Party review yesterday from an editor listed in the editorial assistance page, I specifically made sure that he was an atheist who had an interest in religion, to ensure objectivity. The review has been posted on the Talk page Talk:List_of_scandals_involving_evangelical_Christians#Third-party_view. To his credit, the warring editor seems to have taken the review to heart and has made most of the necessary changes. Thanks for all the help you gave Anupam, I'm greatly indebted to you for your advice and your help. I'm planning to keep the page under watch though. Again!!Thank you!! Sanju87 (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Response

Hello User:Leucosticte, I saw your post here. Perhaps this subject might be what you're looking for? I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 03:51, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow! You just opened the door to a mother-lode of free entertainment. Thanks! 03:57, 25 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leucosticte (talk • contribs)

Your message

Hello Anupam, I've seen your message on my discussion page and I thank you very much for it. I hope we will see us again very soon (on the Project Christianity maybe) -- Arthuro38 (talk) 14:37, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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Bhajan Sopori article

Have made some more edits and contributions to the Bhajan Sopori article. Trust it looks and feels much better now. Am planning to add an infobox and some images soon. Would appreciate some help on this one, as and when you have the time. -Ambar wiki (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Article for creation - Parwez Dewan

Have made a AfC on Parwez Dewan which is now pending review. May need some help in creating and infobox and uploading some images. -Ambar wiki (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Namastey Anuppam, the draft article is ready and can be viewed [Parvez Dewan AfC here] -Ambar wiki (talk) 18:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

MirrorLink - Article for Creation

Namastey, I have created another AfC MirrorLink. Kindly take some time to review and leave your comments. I am a little surprised that such a widely spoken about technology with numerous google search results is still not up at Wiki. Policies shouldn't become so intricate that they make the system slow & inefficient. Wonder which WP policy did I overlook this time. -Ambar wiki (talk) 14:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Abhay Sopori - New article created

Have created a new article on Abhay Sopori. Do take some time to pay it a visit and leave your comments on the talk page. Appreciate your support so far. Have a long list of India related articles that I plan to create (the list is about 200 long now & just the sheer lack of time causes frustration), but I will get to it eventually, with support from wikipedians. -Ambar wiki (talk) 19:12, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

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